Re-inclusion Request at Google

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-08-20, 12:13 PM

Just wondering if anyone has submitted a re-inclusion request for an adult site to google?

If so, did it work?

If it worked, how long did it take? Did you hear back from google, or just saw an increase in traffic?

According to Matt Cutts, "If there’s an algorithmic reason why your site isn’t doing well, you can definitely still come back if you change the underlying cause. If a site has been manually reviewed and has been penalized, those penalties do time out eventually, but the time-out period can be very long. It doesn’t hurt your site to do a re-inclusion request if you’re not sure what’s wrong or if you’ve checked carefully and can’t find anything wrong."

That last sentence above could lead one to believe that google would initiate some sort of communication with you if you've checked your site and can't find anything wrong.

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with re-inclusion requests with adult sites at google.

An FYI, we submitted one of our sites for re-inclusion about two weeks ago and haven't heard or seen anything yet. The site that we submitted has always gotten a small amount of traffic from google, less than 1000 uniques per day, but no where near what it should be getting.

CJS

Bill · 2007-08-20, 07:30 PM

I haven't done any of my own domains, but I've kinda looked over-the-shoulder as several were done over the years.

I've seen several types of responses - ranging from no response at all, to a form letter saying there was no penalty, to a form letter saying that google didn't discuss how to improve rankings and suggesting reading the webmaster guidelines.

As far as those experiences go, I've never been personally certain that the reinclusion request accomplished anything that wouldn't have happened naturally.

These experiences, however, were all in the period from 2001-2005. Supposedly the reinclusion desk is more actively staffed these days.

There was one reinclusion request in the last two years I know a bit about - the response was their form letter, saying they would look into the matter, and suggesting review of the webmaster guidelines, received back after about 14 days, if my memory serves. And no further communication after that, that I know of. It's not impossible there were other letters I wasn't told about.

AdultMasta · 2007-09-12, 10:02 AM

I submited reinclusion request two weeks ago and still waiting. I'm sure I have some kinda penalty on one of my sites but couldn't understand whats the problem.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-09-12, 10:59 AM

We have yet to hear anything from google as well. Please keep us all posted AdultMasta as to whether you hear anything or see any increases.

Bill · 2007-09-12, 04:05 PM

I'll betcha that if you had a non-adult domain and you filed a reinclusion request, even if there wasn't anything wrong, you'd get back their form letter at least.

My copius(not) experience in the past is that adult domains were treated by the reinclusion desk differently than non-adult domains.

It would be interesting to perform that test.

Vivaldi · 2007-09-13, 04:40 AM

Don't mean to burst You bubbles but ... back in 2003 I've submitted reinclusion request for one of my sites and other that curtsey automated mail I never ever got the real answer and I never saw it back in SE results and since it was all about PR back then after a year I've dumped the domain because PR never got higher.
Now, it wasn’t a big place (around 50 pages total) and it was only 2 years old and I had some link backs from non-adult domains so I guessed it, in my case, this was a big no-no.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-09-13, 03:25 PM

Probably so, Vivaldi. The thing is, we're fairly certain that our domain was at the very least linking to what google considers some bad sites, and possibly even identified as part of a link farm. We've corrected that and looked over the site with a fine toothed comb and are reasonably sure that it should be doing better. As far as we know the site meets all of google's guidelines so if they give adult sites consideration, then they should do something about it when they review our re-inclusion request.

Halfdeck · 2007-09-14, 04:19 AM

Several months ago, I left a comment on Matt Cutts blog with a note: "do not publish this comment." A few weeks later, I got an email from Google's spam team letting me know they read my comment and will look into it. Adam Lasnik also followed up with additional communication. At the end of the day, they didn't confirm or deny if a site in question was under a penalty - but since IMO Adam tends to be open about lack of penalties, I took the lack of confirmation in that case as evidence that there's a problem. The site in question hasn't yet recovered. The problem with this site in particular IMO had to do with linking practices Google doesn't like (nothing wrong with on-page content as far as I could tell).

Jel · 2007-09-15, 12:57 AM

I had an experience a couple of years ago whereby I bought a domain (according to whois it hadn't been blacklisted, wayback showed no prior pages, etc), got it live and linked from a few places, and it never got indexed (can't recall if it was crawled) by G. Waited, waited, waited... nada, so I sent off a reinclusion request. Got the standard form reply and nothing else. After a year it still hadn't been indexed so naturally I let the domain drop.

Just my own experience.

*edited to add:

I assumed at the time, and still do, that the domain *had* been owned before, and blacklisted for some reason.

Vivaldi · 2007-09-15, 04:31 AM

Judging by the stories it really would be nice to try what Bill suggested about non-adult and adult request for reinclusion try

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-09-15, 09:36 AM

Good idea, Vivaldi...the question is does anyone that's reading this have a non-adult domain that has been penalized and needs a re-inclusion request?

Halfdeck · 2007-09-15, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Judging by the stories it really would be nice to try what Bill suggested about non-adult and adult request for reinclusion try

Unless you request reinclusion for dozens of sites, the results would not be statistically significant. If all of the reinclusion reqests don't go through the same Google reviewer, we can conclude nothing from the results.

And if you learn that some Google reviewers are biased against adult sites, what do you gain by that knowledge? Nothing.

Vivaldi · 2007-09-16, 06:24 PM

You're right Halfdeck ... You've requested, leave it, don't bang Your head to much and check it in a month or so.

Bill · 2007-09-16, 08:46 PM

Another approach would be to submit more adult sites for reinclusion, and see what kinds of responses you get.

Increase the size of the sample of adult sites being tested.

2007-08-20, 12:13 PM	#1
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Re-inclusion Request at Google Just wondering if anyone has submitted a re-inclusion request for an adult site to google? If so, did it work? If it worked, how long did it take? Did you hear back from google, or just saw an increase in traffic? According to Matt Cutts, "If there’s an algorithmic reason why your site isn’t doing well, you can definitely still come back if you change the underlying cause. If a site has been manually reviewed and has been penalized, those penalties do time out eventually, but the time-out period can be very long. It doesn’t hurt your site to do a re-inclusion request if you’re not sure what’s wrong or if you’ve checked carefully and can’t find anything wrong." That last sentence above could lead one to believe that google would initiate some sort of communication with you if you've checked your site and can't find anything wrong. Just wondering if anyone has any experience with re-inclusion requests with adult sites at google. An FYI, we submitted one of our sites for re-inclusion about two weeks ago and haven't heard or seen anything yet. The site that we submitted has always gotten a small amount of traffic from google, less than 1000 uniques per day, but no where near what it should be getting. CJS

2007-09-12, 10:02 AM	#3
AdultMasta If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 35	I submited reinclusion request two weeks ago and still waiting. I'm sure I have some kinda penalty on one of my sites but couldn't understand whats the problem. __________________ Live Porn Hub- webmasters submit your site

2007-09-13, 04:40 AM	#6
Vivaldi I don't have to be careful. I got a gun Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 367	Don't mean to burst You bubbles but ... back in 2003 I've submitted reinclusion request for one of my sites and other that curtsey automated mail I never ever got the real answer and I never saw it back in SE results and since it was all about PR back then after a year I've dumped the domain because PR never got higher. Now, it wasn’t a big place (around 50 pages total) and it was only 2 years old and I had some link backs from non-adult domains so I guessed it, in my case, this was a big no-no. __________________ Quality Adult Sex ~ Net Sex Places ~ Naughty Free Porn

2007-09-14, 04:19 AM	#8
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	Several months ago, I left a comment on Matt Cutts blog with a note: "do not publish this comment." A few weeks later, I got an email from Google's spam team letting me know they read my comment and will look into it. Adam Lasnik also followed up with additional communication. At the end of the day, they didn't confirm or deny if a site in question was under a penalty - but since IMO Adam tends to be open about lack of penalties, I took the lack of confirmation in that case as evidence that there's a problem. The site in question hasn't yet recovered. The problem with this site in particular IMO had to do with linking practices Google doesn't like (nothing wrong with on-page content as far as I could tell). __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2007-09-15, 04:31 AM	#10
Vivaldi I don't have to be careful. I got a gun Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 367	Judging by the stories it really would be nice to try what Bill suggested about non-adult and adult request for reinclusion try __________________ Quality Adult Sex ~ Net Sex Places ~ Naughty Free Porn

2007-08-20, 07:30 PM	#2
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I haven't done any of my own domains, but I've kinda looked over-the-shoulder as several were done over the years. I've seen several types of responses - ranging from no response at all, to a form letter saying there was no penalty, to a form letter saying that google didn't discuss how to improve rankings and suggesting reading the webmaster guidelines. As far as those experiences go, I've never been personally certain that the reinclusion request accomplished anything that wouldn't have happened naturally. These experiences, however, were all in the period from 2001-2005. Supposedly the reinclusion desk is more actively staffed these days. There was one reinclusion request in the last two years I know a bit about - the response was their form letter, saying they would look into the matter, and suggesting review of the webmaster guidelines, received back after about 14 days, if my memory serves. And no further communication after that, that I know of. It's not impossible there were other letters I wasn't told about.

2007-09-12, 10:59 AM	#4
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	We have yet to hear anything from google as well. Please keep us all posted AdultMasta as to whether you hear anything or see any increases.

2007-09-12, 04:05 PM	#5
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I'll betcha that if you had a non-adult domain and you filed a reinclusion request, even if there wasn't anything wrong, you'd get back their form letter at least. My copius(not) experience in the past is that adult domains were treated by the reinclusion desk differently than non-adult domains. It would be interesting to perform that test.

2007-09-13, 03:25 PM	#7
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Probably so, Vivaldi. The thing is, we're fairly certain that our domain was at the very least linking to what google considers some bad sites, and possibly even identified as part of a link farm. We've corrected that and looked over the site with a fine toothed comb and are reasonably sure that it should be doing better. As far as we know the site meets all of google's guidelines so if they give adult sites consideration, then they should do something about it when they review our re-inclusion request.

2007-09-15, 12:57 AM	#9
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	I had an experience a couple of years ago whereby I bought a domain (according to whois it hadn't been blacklisted, wayback showed no prior pages, etc), got it live and linked from a few places, and it never got indexed (can't recall if it was crawled) by G. Waited, waited, waited... nada, so I sent off a reinclusion request. Got the standard form reply and nothing else. After a year it still hadn't been indexed so naturally I let the domain drop. Just my own experience. edited to add: I assumed at the time, and still do, that the domain had* been owned before, and blacklisted for some reason.

2007-09-15, 09:36 AM	#11
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Good idea, Vivaldi...the question is does anyone that's reading this have a non-adult domain that has been penalized and needs a re-inclusion request?

2007-09-16, 06:24 PM	#13
Vivaldi I don't have to be careful. I got a gun Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 367	You're right Halfdeck ... You've requested, leave it, don't bang Your head to much and check it in a month or so. __________________ Quality Adult Sex ~ Net Sex Places ~ Naughty Free Porn

2007-09-16, 08:46 PM	#14
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Another approach would be to submit more adult sites for reinclusion, and see what kinds of responses you get. Increase the size of the sample of adult sites being tested.