Questions about Dee Cash Programs - Page 3

nickbaauw · 2011-07-18, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBruno

I understand the reasons behind minimums and holds on payouts. This is a business full of fraud from both affiliates and the public at large. But, making minimum payouts indefinate is just as bad. After a period of time there's no way to claim fraud or need to worry about charge backs on a given sale and no defense for an open ended hold on the payout for that sale. When does the hold itself become fraud?

Why not introduce aging? Say after a year on hold, payouts are made reguardless of the minimums. That protects the paysite and stops screwing legitimate affiliates out of what they rightfully earned.

Sad to say but I don't think I'll ever see this in any program that uses minimums.

We are working on something similar, of course all our affiliates get paid for any legit joins send...

Lets say webmasterX has:
- 120$ in elitedollars
- 80$ in triplexcash
- 15$ in Badgirlbucks and leaves the industry...

We simply pay and close the accounts...

For active webmaster that push low volume we will lower the hold soon as make sure everyone gets paid...

While working on this I have to maintain the minimum 200$ payout.. to make sure we dont pay fraud nor double pay people

nickbaauw · 2011-07-18, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Bizzaro

That's a great idea.
That was what I was basically asking when I emailed Dee Cash and many others about payments.

Some of my below minimums were sitting around for 1-5 years. It’s money I made and is owed to me.

We will be lowering the minimum payouts as soon as possible
200% nick guarantee you will be paid

nickbaauw · 2011-07-18, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBruno

The way adult traffic is more and more diluted, adult programs should be thinking about webmaster retention right along side member retention.

I think it would be great PR for a program. It would show they're serious about their affiliates, even the little guy who may not have the big traffic but still makes them money.

We do work around the clock on webmaster retention
Its because of hard working webmasters we were able to expand at the level we do..

We take our affiliates extremely serious, we listen and act on what is needed...

In this case:
- Lower Holding times
- Weekly payouts
- Working on lowering minimum payouts..

We are now on 15-day hold in stead of 30-day hold with weekly payouts and we will be bringing that down to 7-day hold with weekly payouts...

bDok · 2011-07-21, 06:08 PM

Exciting news. I've got a ton of your programs that I have some money in. One being the gf program that I got a couple sales on the bonus days but because the bonus doesn't count towards minimum payout i've yet to get any of the money.

I'm very excited to see this happen. that and back when some programs were purchased a couple programs I had 50 or so dollars in didn't get transferred over. Oh well to that.

It's more the programs that dee has owned while I've made the money that is sitting there that I'd like to get out at some point.

KBruno · 2011-07-22, 12:28 AM

Part of my point was that any minimums without some time limit in effect become meaningless (a non-payment) to an affiliate. I have a few outstanding commissions with programs that are years old. I'll never see those funds because I stopped advertising for them (didn't perform with my traffic) and will never make their minimums. All together maybe a few hundred dollars but that's just one guy. How many guys are in the same boat?

BTW, I know the thread started about Dee but my comments have been about making things better and more fair in any program.

daizzzy · 2011-07-22, 05:17 AM

nickbaauw you make me lol

you sell nothing but a bunch of shitty and way outdated content. how you make it work - it's your magic tricks or something, which is going to end sooner or later. but it's not a legit business like met-art, kink, ddf and other stand up guys are doing

btw why teencat gfy threads saying you're banging his cc with un-authorized transactions have been deleted?

daizzzy · 2011-07-22, 05:25 AM

and webmasters... just check their sites out. their content is below any competition. they've nothing but a bunch of effective false promising tours. get into their members areas and you'll see a shitload of upsells and a little bit of content

do you think your traffic will rebill there? how do you think they are getting money to pay you high PPS? you better not waste your traffic there

hashbury · 2011-07-22, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daizzzy

btw why teencat gfy threads saying you're banging his cc with un-authorized transactions have been deleted?

You make me lol, out of all the points you could have tried to make an argument with, this is by far the worst.

I saw both of his threads and he did show proof in the first one. PROOF that he was getting charged for pre checked cross sales. To me, this was made very clear in the thread before it was deleted.

Then he started a second thread claiming they were banging his card. He was then told to provide proof, but stated proof was in the first thread. The proof he had in the first thread did nothing but confirm he did not uncheck the precheck cross sales. Without proof this thread was nothing but slander.

I have nothing against teencat but if they truly were banging cards he should have showed the proof.

While im not a fan of pre checked cross sales I do not consider it to be evil like everyone else does.

If you really wanted to make a point you should have at least brought up the fact about how they were not crediting for secondary billing proccessors. This was the very thing that got teencat going. However, deecash was called out on it and they made it right even though it was in their TOS that so many webmasters seem to not read.

Nymph · 2011-07-22, 10:52 AM

Hells bells, I might as well chime in too....

I was an affiliate for one of the sponsors Dee bought out. I was making decent money before the buy out. Sad thing is, during the transition, a lot of the promo materials was not imported over, and no new promo was offered. It seems this is the case with a lot of the programs Dee took over.

How are we to promote the sites, when we aren't given anything to work with?

hashbury · 2011-07-22, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nymph

Hells bells, I might as well chime in too....

I was an affiliate for one of the sponsors Dee bought out. I was making decent money before the buy out. Sad thing is, during the transition, a lot of the promo materials was not imported over, and no new promo was offered. It seems this is the case with a lot of the programs Dee took over.

How are we to promote the sites, when we aren't given anything to work with?

Hi Nymph

Unfortunately this problem is just not related to deecash but a lot of other programs too.

Theres a lot of good programs I have been promoting for years that dont update thier promo tools and when I request member access I either get denied or dont even get an answer.

However, It would be in deescash best interest to start updating their promo tools and site IMO. Hell, I would probably start promoting them again if they did this.

Toby · 2011-07-22, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nymph

How are we to promote the sites, when we aren't given anything to work with?

I'll give you a hint... Affiliate sales are not their primary source of income.

daizzzy · 2011-07-22, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hashbury

You make me lol, out of all the points you could have tried to make an argument with, this is by far the worst.

I saw both of his threads and he did show proof in the first one. PROOF that he was getting charged for pre checked cross sales. To me, this was made very clear in the thread before it was deleted.

Then he started a second thread claiming they were banging his card. He was then told to provide proof, but stated proof was in the first thread. The proof he had in the first thread did nothing but confirm he did not uncheck the precheck cross sales. Without proof this thread was nothing but slander.

I have nothing against teencat but if they truly were banging cards he should have showed the proof.

While im not a fan of pre checked cross sales I do not consider it to be evil like everyone else does.

If you really wanted to make a point you should have at least brought up the fact about how they were not crediting for secondary billing proccessors. This was the very thing that got teencat going. However, deecash was called out on it and they made it right even though it was in their TOS that so many webmasters seem to not read.

define hypocrisy

hashbury · 2011-07-22, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daizzzy

define hypocrisy

Lets see, I would define it by a webmaster that gave away membership passwords, but yet built a site listing adult affiliate programs to try and make a living off of.

I really wasnt trying to be a dick to you, The point you were trying to make is flawed. Thats all I was trying to point out. Deecash has flaws and you should point the valid flaws out if you want to call them out on something. Thats all I was trying to say.

daizzzy · 2011-07-22, 04:07 PM

you won!

deecash cock sucking contest can be closed now

GonZo · 2011-07-22, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daizzzy

nickbaauw you make me lol

you sell nothing but a bunch of shitty and way outdated content. how you make it work - it's your magic tricks or something, which is going to end sooner or later. but it's not a legit business like met-art, kink, ddf and other stand up guys are doing

btw why teencat gfy threads saying you're banging his cc with un-authorized transactions have been deleted?

Careful or you might find a C&D in your email addressed to Daizzzy from a crosseyed lawyer in Atlanta.

Cleo · 2011-07-22, 06:27 PM

Oddly enough I find myself with zero links to a Dee Cash program other than some old link to one of the programs that they have bought and I don't see this changing anytime soon.

Useless · 2011-07-22, 11:42 PM

They suck. They've sucked for a very long time, and everything they buy turns to shit. There have been countless threads on numerous boards about their massive suckiness, so who needs proof unless they have a horrible memory? I'm sure Nick is a nice guy, but that doesn't mean his employer is any good.

tickler · 2011-07-23, 09:13 AM

A lot of the programs they bought owed me money!

Links gone, never to return!!!

Oh, and not importing historical data also!

faxxaff · 2011-07-23, 08:11 PM

Deecash ratios have to be taken with a large pint of salt. Last time I cared to check they published join page ratios - not uniques or page views. If they publish a rate of 1:400 it would be join page hits, while their unique ratio would be more like 1:2000 or worse.

A decent program has a join page ratio of 1: 20 and in bad scenarios 1:80 in my book. Anything worse that is just horrible imho.

Jeremy82 · 2011-07-25, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faxxaff

A decent program has a join page ratio of 1: 20 and in bad scenarios 1:80 in my book. Anything worse that is just horrible imho.

daizzzy · 2011-08-15, 06:23 AM

quoted from gfy

Unauthorised charges on credit cards from MediaRevenue sites

Hi all,

For those that know us, will know that we are ones to avoid drama, and prefer to leave that to others, we just like to get our heads down, and get on building the best softcore sites we can!

However, there are some things that came to light over the last few weeks that I really feel the community need to make their own decisions on.

A quick synopsis of the events:

* We run the site www.porn-rewards.com, a loyalty site for users that join adult sites, if they join via our PR link, we give them PR points then when they have enough points they can spend the points on a free 30 day membership to a site of their choice. We do this buy purchasing a 30 day membership on their behalf with our own credit card.

When we join a site on behalf of a PR member, we always use unique, random usernames and passwords.

* On 14 March 2011 we joined the site socksorority.com (a Bad Girls Bucks site), and then cancelled within the 30 day period. We used a unique username (AsfgHYtv) and unique password.

Then on 5 May 2011 an unauthorised charge was made to our credit card for $9.95 for membership to the site xmovies.com (a Movie Profits site). An email was sent and the username / password combination was exactly the same as the original join to socksorority.com. This has been recurring for a couple of months until our accounts picked this up and started to investigate further.

* When the above unauthorised transaction was detected, further investigation found another new transaction on 16 July 2011, this time for membership to wildpass.com this one for $11.32. Again this was using the same username and password combination from the 14 March transaction.

* On 30 June 2011 there was another unauthorised transaction on our card for $39.95. Whilst we never got an email I can trace for this one so I do not know the username or what site it was for, I know it is associated with mediarevenue, as the reference on the bank is PGRECINCCOM.COM which is the same processor as used for the unauthorised xmovies.com transaction.

When I initially contacted Nick / Tam about the first transaction I was told by Tam, that all was corrected and the transaction refunded. On pushing for more of an explanation as to how it could have happened, initially I had a reply from Nick,

"We recently switched to NETCASH 3rd party billing and had to switch back, when we switch billing systems we our members a discount on their membership to make up for any possible confusion..

We would never take any money fraudulently, our support agents are available 24/7 and when people want to cancel/refund their memberships we make that happen asap."

On pushing for a better response (the one above makes no sense to me), it took some chasing, then got a longer response from Tam, the shorter version of this was,

"When you signed up, maybe you didn’t uncheck the cross sales, or we had a script error that day on the processor end? This is another piece we have to research..in any case, those xsales are indeed in house and owned by us. It is not an outside entity.

Our company is quite large. And currently you are catching is in the middle of a tremendous overall. We have 40+ programs, 40+ NATS licenses, and are merging them all into 10.

This is quite the task, and involved with it is also a new 7 day hold and payout plan, moving to a 4 day...and everything involved with this. As well as moving all the processing to within those guidelines and mergers.

The processing issue did happen, we acknowledge this, and thank you for pointing it out. Hopefully you can see it was not intentional, and you can see something like this could have happened with everything going on."

With regards unchecking cross sales, (a) we always do (b) but even if we did not in error, our membership to socksorority.com ended 14 April 2011, these unauthorised transactions started in May / June / July.

There were other transactions our accounts found from 2010 that were unauthorised in a similar style (we made a paid for join using unique user/pass then a few months later an unauthorised transaction to another site using the same username/password), but these were with the old SOBV sites, and on raising these with Media Revenue, I was told they only took ownership in Jan 2011, so this needs taking up with the past owners. I cannot dispute that and did not mention these transactions further with them.

On pushing Tam / Nick for a better explanation on the charges from their sites as I still do not feel this was a good explanation, I received an email from Tam saying "this matter is closed for us, you are now verging on harassment, and its time to move on. Any more false accusations or misinformation from you, I will have sent directly to our attorneys, XXXXXX, here in Orlando."

I am posting this to the community so as you can read all this, and make your own minds up.

This industry is suffering enough with tubes sites, torrents, forums posting full site sets, and if the customer can no longer have confidence in the billing practices of sites, what hope is there for the industry to turn the tide and start growing again with confidence.

We have removed all links to any Media Revenue site from porn-rewards.com and would not promote them, or any other site / sponsor they may join with in the future.

I am sure I will get grief for posting this, and debated whether I should, but this is something I feel very strongly about, and would like others to make their own minds up.

Regards,

Paul
www.porn-rewards.com

Bill · 2011-08-15, 07:06 AM

That was posted today apparently, for those who are interested in such things.

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1034168

Cleo · 2011-08-15, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

That was posted today apparently, for those who are interested in such things.

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1034168

No bit surprise there. Just another posts confirming what what others have been saying.

Toby · 2011-08-15, 06:14 PM

...and the thread has been removed from the board. New owner, same Bro bullshit.

Bill · 2011-08-15, 06:49 PM

To be fair, it is anecdotal evidence. It's not proof, it's not circumstantial evidence, it was, as I viewed it, a claim, similar to other claims that have been made, without anything I could judge as actual evidence.

At most one could call it an affidavit backed by reputation, but the avower is unknown to me, I have no idea wether his reputation score risk is high enough to make the claim more liklely to be true.

2011-07-21, 06:08 PM	#54
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2011-07-22, 05:17 AM	#56
daizzzy Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 266	nickbaauw you make me lol you sell nothing but a bunch of shitty and way outdated content. how you make it work - it's your magic tricks or something, which is going to end sooner or later. but it's not a legit business like met-art, kink, ddf and other stand up guys are doing btw why teencat gfy threads saying you're banging his cc with un-authorized transactions have been deleted? __________________ BrandNew SignBucks: we have listed 100% of CCBILL, NATS, Paxum & mob programs Last edited by daizzzy; 2011-07-22 at 05:20 AM..

2011-07-22, 05:25 AM	#57
daizzzy Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 266	and webmasters... just check their sites out. their content is below any competition. they've nothing but a bunch of effective false promising tours. get into their members areas and you'll see a shitload of upsells and a little bit of content do you think your traffic will rebill there? how do you think they are getting money to pay you high PPS? you better not waste your traffic there __________________ BrandNew SignBucks: we have listed 100% of CCBILL, NATS, Paxum & mob programs

2011-07-22, 10:52 AM	#59
Nymph Get me! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lower Alabama-The Redneck Riviera Posts: 677	Hells bells, I might as well chime in too.... I was an affiliate for one of the sponsors Dee bought out. I was making decent money before the buy out. Sad thing is, during the transition, a lot of the promo materials was not imported over, and no new promo was offered. It seems this is the case with a lot of the programs Dee took over. How are we to promote the sites, when we aren't given anything to work with? __________________ Submit to Me - NymphsLinks Play with Me - Southern Nymph & FootGoddess

2011-07-22, 04:07 PM	#64
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2011-07-22, 12:28 AM	#55
KBruno Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 6	Part of my point was that any minimums without some time limit in effect become meaningless (a non-payment) to an affiliate. I have a few outstanding commissions with programs that are years old. I'll never see those funds because I stopped advertising for them (didn't perform with my traffic) and will never make their minimums. All together maybe a few hundred dollars but that's just one guy. How many guys are in the same boat? BTW, I know the thread started about Dee but my comments have been about making things better and more fair in any program.

2011-07-22, 06:27 PM	#66
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Oddly enough I find myself with zero links to a Dee Cash program other than some old link to one of the programs that they have bought and I don't see this changing anytime soon. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2011-07-22, 11:42 PM	#67
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	They suck. They've sucked for a very long time, and everything they buy turns to shit. There have been countless threads on numerous boards about their massive suckiness, so who needs proof unless they have a horrible memory? I'm sure Nick is a nice guy, but that doesn't mean his employer is any good. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2011-07-23, 09:13 AM	#68
tickler If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,177	A lot of the programs they bought owed me money! Links gone, never to return!!! Oh, and not importing historical data also! __________________ Latina Twins, Solo, NN, Hardcore Latin Teen Cash

2011-07-23, 08:11 PM	#69
faxxaff I've always wondered if there was a god. And now I know there is -- and it's me Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vietnam Posts: 326	Deecash ratios have to be taken with a large pint of salt. Last time I cared to check they published join page ratios - not uniques or page views. If they publish a rate of 1:400 it would be join page hits, while their unique ratio would be more like 1:2000 or worse. A decent program has a join page ratio of 1: 20 and in bad scenarios 1:80 in my book. Anything worse that is just horrible imho. __________________ Adult Webmaster Blog Fine Asian Pussy

2011-08-15, 06:23 AM	#71
daizzzy Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 266	quoted from gfy Unauthorised charges on credit cards from MediaRevenue sites Hi all, For those that know us, will know that we are ones to avoid drama, and prefer to leave that to others, we just like to get our heads down, and get on building the best softcore sites we can! However, there are some things that came to light over the last few weeks that I really feel the community need to make their own decisions on. A quick synopsis of the events: * We run the site www.porn-rewards.com, a loyalty site for users that join adult sites, if they join via our PR link, we give them PR points then when they have enough points they can spend the points on a free 30 day membership to a site of their choice. We do this buy purchasing a 30 day membership on their behalf with our own credit card. When we join a site on behalf of a PR member, we always use unique, random usernames and passwords. * On 14 March 2011 we joined the site socksorority.com (a Bad Girls Bucks site), and then cancelled within the 30 day period. We used a unique username (AsfgHYtv) and unique password. Then on 5 May 2011 an unauthorised charge was made to our credit card for $9.95 for membership to the site xmovies.com (a Movie Profits site). An email was sent and the username / password combination was exactly the same as the original join to socksorority.com. This has been recurring for a couple of months until our accounts picked this up and started to investigate further. * When the above unauthorised transaction was detected, further investigation found another new transaction on 16 July 2011, this time for membership to wildpass.com this one for $11.32. Again this was using the same username and password combination from the 14 March transaction. * On 30 June 2011 there was another unauthorised transaction on our card for $39.95. Whilst we never got an email I can trace for this one so I do not know the username or what site it was for, I know it is associated with mediarevenue, as the reference on the bank is PGRECINCCOM.COM which is the same processor as used for the unauthorised xmovies.com transaction. When I initially contacted Nick / Tam about the first transaction I was told by Tam, that all was corrected and the transaction refunded. On pushing for more of an explanation as to how it could have happened, initially I had a reply from Nick, "We recently switched to NETCASH 3rd party billing and had to switch back, when we switch billing systems we our members a discount on their membership to make up for any possible confusion.. We would never take any money fraudulently, our support agents are available 24/7 and when people want to cancel/refund their memberships we make that happen asap." On pushing for a better response (the one above makes no sense to me), it took some chasing, then got a longer response from Tam, the shorter version of this was, "When you signed up, maybe you didn’t uncheck the cross sales, or we had a script error that day on the processor end? This is another piece we have to research..in any case, those xsales are indeed in house and owned by us. It is not an outside entity. Our company is quite large. And currently you are catching is in the middle of a tremendous overall. We have 40+ programs, 40+ NATS licenses, and are merging them all into 10. This is quite the task, and involved with it is also a new 7 day hold and payout plan, moving to a 4 day...and everything involved with this. As well as moving all the processing to within those guidelines and mergers. The processing issue did happen, we acknowledge this, and thank you for pointing it out. Hopefully you can see it was not intentional, and you can see something like this could have happened with everything going on." With regards unchecking cross sales, (a) we always do (b) but even if we did not in error, our membership to socksorority.com ended 14 April 2011, these unauthorised transactions started in May / June / July. There were other transactions our accounts found from 2010 that were unauthorised in a similar style (we made a paid for join using unique user/pass then a few months later an unauthorised transaction to another site using the same username/password), but these were with the old SOBV sites, and on raising these with Media Revenue, I was told they only took ownership in Jan 2011, so this needs taking up with the past owners. I cannot dispute that and did not mention these transactions further with them. On pushing Tam / Nick for a better explanation on the charges from their sites as I still do not feel this was a good explanation, I received an email from Tam saying "this matter is closed for us, you are now verging on harassment, and its time to move on. Any more false accusations or misinformation from you, I will have sent directly to our attorneys, XXXXXX, here in Orlando." I am posting this to the community so as you can read all this, and make your own minds up. This industry is suffering enough with tubes sites, torrents, forums posting full site sets, and if the customer can no longer have confidence in the billing practices of sites, what hope is there for the industry to turn the tide and start growing again with confidence. We have removed all links to any Media Revenue site from porn-rewards.com and would not promote them, or any other site / sponsor they may join with in the future. I am sure I will get grief for posting this, and debated whether I should, but this is something I feel very strongly about, and would like others to make their own minds up. Regards, Paul www.porn-rewards.com __________________ BrandNew SignBucks: we have listed 100% of CCBILL, NATS, Paxum & mob programs Last edited by daizzzy; 2011-08-15 at 06:27 AM..

2011-08-15, 07:06 AM	#72
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	That was posted today apparently, for those who are interested in such things. http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1034168

2011-08-15, 06:14 PM	#74
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	...and the thread has been removed from the board. New owner, same Bro bullshit. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2011-08-15, 06:49 PM	#75
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	To be fair, it is anecdotal evidence. It's not proof, it's not circumstantial evidence, it was, as I viewed it, a claim, similar to other claims that have been made, without anything I could judge as actual evidence. At most one could call it an affidavit backed by reputation, but the avower is unknown to me, I have no idea wether his reputation score risk is high enough to make the claim more liklely to be true.