Have Google Lost The Plot?

hazel · 2005-02-18, 04:05 PM

We've all read it a dozen times - "my google ranking and PR have gone all weird". Yeh, well shit happens. But it seems to happen far too more often at google than anywhere else

I know that the Harem is still a new site. I know I shouldn't expect too much so early on in the proceedings. I know there will be downs as well as ups; But what happened this week has left me wondering just what's going on

The site had a PR4, for the front-door, and the link categories ranged from PR1 [only one cat] up to PR4 for three cats. Most where on PR3. You can imagine how pleased I was with that, as a newbie

Now the front page is PR3, and ALL cats are PR2!!! One of those has just six listings, and three are around the 100 listing mark. How can they all be PR2?

Anyway. Took a look at this interesting little resource - http://www.socengine.com/seo/tools.php - and found that a comparison with the likes of Inktome, MSN and Yahoo showed a disparity of 18% in average relevance across the site. With google downrating the site on almost every aspect

BTW: there's a neat little test for factoring the "sandboxing" effect here too. That might open a few eyes amongst some LL owners

Just what on earth are they up to?

Rorschach · 2005-02-18, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hazel

Now the front page is PR3, and ALL cats are PR2!!! One of those has just six listings, and three are around the 100 listing mark. How can they all be PR2?

As you will have heard, the PR on the toolbar is way out of date and a poor metric to use... PR is in constant flux, don't worry about it. Just about everyone went down in the last PR update across the board. Also, real PR (used in serp calculations) is a logarithmic scale not a linear one, but it is converted to the linear 1-10 scale for display on the toolbar. If your old cat pages were a high 1 and a low 3 respectively, then a few more recips in the cats with few listings means more than a few more recips in the cats with many listings. After the last toolbar PR update, the real PR of your cats could have all been within the range that is displayed as "2" on the toolbar. There is also a natural flattening effect with even internal linking. Google could also change the cut off points in terms of real PR that are displayed as the 1-10 points on the toolbar.

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Originally Posted by hazel

Just what on earth are they up to?

Making millions of dollars a month from adwords...

remember that serps are very rarely an indication of the highest quality site, only who optimized their site the best...

Linkster · 2005-02-19, 11:33 AM

The normal PR (not that shown in the toolbar) would normally assign a -1 PR level to any subdirectory under the root page.
ex. site.com/index.html=PR4
site.com/category/=PR3
site.com/category/subcategory=PR2
and so on
This is with a natural (old school) linking pattern for the web - assuming there are no links from the outside to the subcategory pages and all link trades are done to the index page.
Almost all web sites on the net went down by around 1 PR on the toolbar because the PR of the Google Directory Link Pages went down by 1 PR level the last update(approximately - like was mentioned its a log scale so its not exact)

More important though - the toolbar PR is not only out of date - its also a very poor indication of real Page Rank of a web page these days - too many SEOs use it so Google is going to make it what ever they want to prevent link-renting etc.

2005-02-18, 04:05 PM	#1
hazel Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 70	Have Google Lost The Plot? We've all read it a dozen times - "my google ranking and PR have gone all weird". Yeh, well shit happens. But it seems to happen far too more often at google than anywhere else I know that the Harem is still a new site. I know I shouldn't expect too much so early on in the proceedings. I know there will be downs as well as ups; But what happened this week has left me wondering just what's going on The site had a PR4, for the front-door, and the link categories ranged from PR1 [only one cat] up to PR4 for three cats. Most where on PR3. You can imagine how pleased I was with that, as a newbie Now the front page is PR3, and ALL cats are PR2!!! One of those has just six listings, and three are around the 100 listing mark. How can they all be PR2? Anyway. Took a look at this interesting little resource - http://www.socengine.com/seo/tools.php - and found that a comparison with the likes of Inktome, MSN and Yahoo showed a disparity of 18% in average relevance across the site. With google downrating the site on almost every aspect BTW: there's a neat little test for factoring the "sandboxing" effect here too. That might open a few eyes amongst some LL owners Just what on earth are they up to? __________________ <a href="http://www.hazelsharem.com/webmasters/area.htm">Hazel's Harem</a> - Got free sites? Get them listed

2005-02-19, 11:33 AM	#3
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	The normal PR (not that shown in the toolbar) would normally assign a -1 PR level to any subdirectory under the root page. ex. site.com/index.html=PR4 site.com/category/=PR3 site.com/category/subcategory=PR2 and so on This is with a natural (old school) linking pattern for the web - assuming there are no links from the outside to the subcategory pages and all link trades are done to the index page. Almost all web sites on the net went down by around 1 PR on the toolbar because the PR of the Google Directory Link Pages went down by 1 PR level the last update(approximately - like was mentioned its a log scale so its not exact) More important though - the toolbar PR is not only out of date - its also a very poor indication of real Page Rank of a web page these days - too many SEOs use it so Google is going to make it what ever they want to prevent link-renting etc. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash