Firefox encumbrance

[eman]

Just started using Firefox again and I got this message when clicking on the join link at a site:

"You cannot connect to bill.ccbill.com because SSL is disabled"

Under Tools/Options/Advanced/Security both "Use SSL 2.0" and "Use SSL 3.0" were checked by default. The one remaining option "Use TLS 1.0" was unchecked and that turned out to be the cause of the problem.

If you've got a horny surfer all primed and ready to sign up, the last thing he's going to want to do is muck about with his browser settings or do a search for "Firefox SSL disabled"

Not good.

IE forever!!!

[Jim]

I have tried to use firefox several times. But I just can't get used to it. I used the new beta of IE 7 and it seems to have all the features people say they like about firefox. Now if they can get it so it actually works with my PC, I will be all set

But no, I can't see ever trying to use firefox again.

[MrYum]

That's strange Eman

Just tried a ccbill link here and no problems at all.

Checked my FF settings as you describe and that they're at default. That TLS box isn't checked...

Are you perhaps using an older version of FF?

Agreed Jim...using FF did take a bit of getting used to. But, now that I have...I find IE to be a slow, cumbersome pos when I do have to use it (rarely).

[ponygirl]

I love my FF

Interesting info, though. It just made me check my settings - all the SSL boxes are checked and I haven't changed anything...maybe this is the default setting?

Anything that possibly hurts sales is not good

[koolkat]

I use both of them. I like features of both. A couple of thing that I don't like about IE 7 is that it takes a while to load pages. It will open part of the page, but won't let you scroll. Also, too many tabs can cause IE7 to crash... haven't had that problem with FF.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

Anything that possibly hurts sales is not good

Forget which browser they're using, it won't matter, but turn off Javascript and try signing up via any CCBill join form. They really need to get rid of their dependence on JS for completing a signup.

I use Safari the most but Firefox almost as much. Since MS dropped development on their Mac platform browser (IE 5.2.3 was the last version for Macs), I only fire up Explorer to check out new sites.

[Jim]

Out of all the browsers I have used, IE 6 seems to like me the most And really, when something isn't broke, why fix it? Once IE 7 is fixed and actually works on my pc, I will probably upgrade. But, I'm serious...I could get it up and running but, it really didn't work very well.

[eman]

Originally Posted by MrYum

That's strange Eman

Just tried a ccbill link here and no problems at all.

Checked my FF settings as you describe and that they're at default. That TLS box isn't checked...

Are you perhaps using an older version of FF?

Agreed Jim...using FF did take a bit of getting used to. But, now that I have...I find IE to be a slow, cumbersome pos when I do have to use it (rarely).

You're right Mr Yum - I was using Ver 1

I've just upgraded to 1.5 and the problem's gone.

[eman]

I spoke too soon - it just happened again.

A different site this time, but still CCBill

I had to enable the TLS option to get through to the join page.

This is the site I was looking at http://www.joy-swallows.com/?w=100005

BTW, that's not my affiliate code in there - it's the default one set on the 4realcash site (http://www.4realcash.com/sites.php)

[edit] I just tried it again with the site that originally gave me a problem with ver1 and although ver 1.5 worked a little while ago it won't work there either, now - without the TLS box being checked. Hmmmmm

Summary - just in case you're now as confused as I am:
I apparently have to check the TLS box in order to access any CCBill join page
[/edit]

[virgohippy]

Most people using FF are probably smart enough to fix this kind of issue, though I'm sure thinking that much takes all the juice out of a sex starved surfer.

I've yet to have a problem with my FF. FF is like using a sheepskin condom!

Well... I've never used one... so... can't really say that.

[eman]

JUst been over to http://www.mozilla.org/projects/secu.../ssl_help.html

and found this:

SSL Protocol Versions

The Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) protocol defines rules governing mutual authentication between a web site and browser software and the encryption of information that flows between them. The Transport Layer Security (TLS) protocol is an IETF standard based on SSL. TLS 1.0 can be thought of as SSL 3.1.

You should normally leave both SSL checkboxes and the TLS checkbox selected in the SSL Preferences panel to ensure that both older and newer web servers can work with the browser.

Important note re TLS: Some servers that do not implement SSL correctly cannot negotiate the SSL handshake with client software (such as the browser) that supports TLS. Such servers are known as "TLS intolerant."

When the Enable TLS option in the SSL preferences panel is selected, the browser attempts to use the TLS protocol when making secure connections with a server. If that connection fails because the server is TLS intolerant, the browser will fall back to using SSL 3.0.
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So there you go. It's a server problem - nothing to do with CCBill per se.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by eman

JUst been over to http://www.mozilla.org/projects/secu.../ssl_help.html

and found this:

SSL Protocol Versions

The Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) protocol defines rules governing mutual authentication between a web site and browser software and the encryption of information that flows between them. The Transport Layer Security (TLS) protocol is an IETF standard based on SSL. TLS 1.0 can be thought of as SSL 3.1.

You should normally leave both SSL checkboxes and the TLS checkbox selected in the SSL Preferences panel to ensure that both older and newer web servers can work with the browser.

Important note re TLS: Some servers that do not implement SSL correctly cannot negotiate the SSL handshake with client software (such as the browser) that supports TLS. Such servers are known as "TLS intolerant."

When the Enable TLS option in the SSL preferences panel is selected, the browser attempts to use the TLS protocol when making secure connections with a server. If that connection fails because the server is TLS intolerant, the browser will fall back to using SSL 3.0.
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So there you go. It's a server problem - nothing to do with CCBill per se.

Excellent...glad you found the answer

Oh Virgo...I have tried sheepskin...it ain't all it's cracked up to be

But I still think FF is pretty damn cool

[Simon]

Originally Posted by MrYum

I have tried sheepskin...it ain't all it's cracked up to be

Of course not ... people who want to fuck sheep should just go ahead and do it.

condomdepot text:

"Because it is made from a natural lamb skin membrane, you will find it has its own special feeling of sensitivity...although they are thick, they offer a feeling unlike any other condom and feel like you are NOT wearing a condom."

Right, they feel like you're fucking a natural lamb skin membrane.

Don't ask.

[raymor]

I've never had a problem with CCBill or any other SSL using the Mozilla browser, which is
the same rendering engine and everything as Firefox, just with more features.
For those of you who like Firefox, you might also want to try the Mozilla browser.
It has pretty much all of the same features as Firefox since it's based on the same
codebase, plus a lot of features that web professionals will like. Some people thought
it had too many features and should be simpler, so they took a lot of features out
and called it Firefox.

[MediaGuy]

Is IE 7 the one with the new activex blocking thin little yellow warning bar across the top?

I haven't upgraded that I know of and suddenly I have this frigging thing warning me whether its java counters on site pages or flash banners (blocks them totally) and a whole bunch of stuff from even trusted sites... quite annoying if the surfer hits a site that looks like shit without the flash pretties adorning the content, or with scary warnings with simple embedded video meant for user activation in the first place...

[Doug E]

I havnt had any virus problems since installing FF. With IE it was happening weekly.

CCBill seems to use antiquated technology, I blame it all on them and their RnD budget.

[digifan]

Originally Posted by Simon

Forget which browser they're using, it won't matter, but turn off Javascript and try signing up via any CCBill join form. They really need to get rid of their dependence on JS for completing a signup.

I use Safari the most but Firefox almost as much. Since MS dropped development on their Mac platform browser (IE 5.2.3 was the last version for Macs), I only fire up Explorer to check out new sites.

I agree And thanks for the tip you offered in the other thread Simon