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WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school?
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Any Old Timers Lurking? Inside NOW!
Gee, what do we even call an old timer in this business.
I wish I knew now what we thought we knew in mid 90's, I would be set... I did not think the industry would go in the direction it did but I should have known based on the evolution of porn mgs, VHS, CD-ROM and now DVD.... I love this business, and the sky is not falling by any means. Porn will always make money...it just takes more work than it did for us when we all had only 1 site to our name... Interesting times to see how we evolved...and who leads the way and who set us on the path... Any old timers around? You have to have some views on how things have evolved. Do you think our old business strategies still have value?
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2005-01-18, 05:16 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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I have over 8 years in the biz, yet I do not feel like an "old timer"
 Of course, you Lee, you're old like dirt  |
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2005-01-18, 05:21 PM
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Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West
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I came around to this biz in 97 but not full time.
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2005-01-18, 05:28 PM
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It makes everyone of you newbs
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2005-01-18, 05:31 PM
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WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school?
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Location: Central Florida
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Damnit! I wrote a long post, talking some past and my damn cat decided to walk on the kb and delete the whole posting window...Argh.
Don't feel like reconstructing it all again..I will tho. DAMNIT.|raygun|
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2005-01-18, 05:33 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo)
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Oh man...I fucking hate when that happens
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2005-01-18, 05:34 PM
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2005-01-18, 05:48 PM
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Bonged
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'96 seems like a long long time ago now.... |rasta|
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2005-01-18, 06:42 PM
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WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school?
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Lee makes sure there are NO cats on the desk this time!
I know '96 does sound like a long time ago..whats more difficult is shag carpet was my generation in the 70's and its back in fashion.  We always wondered what it would be like 10 years from where we started. I have hit that 10 year mark, and who would have figured all the trends we did not have back then. We had free sites, link lists and Top 100/500/200 sites, and AVS.. Now we have link lists, review sites, searh engines, TGO, Blogs, small pockets of AVS..... Used to have one site, now if you don't have at least 10 your a newb..LOL... The money did not easier, you work for less margins..for some. Is there any part of our business from the mid 90's that is just as stong now as ever? One thing is domain names, still a hot commodity. We knew then SE traffic ruled, we knew any traffic that qualified teh buyer with a CC is golden [AVS, retail stores etc], type-in traffic. Now....review sites have golden traffic...what about the other "used to be" or "still is" goldens? Lee kicks cat off desk. 
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2005-01-18, 06:43 PM
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I want to set the record straight - I thought the cop was a prostitute
![[BV]'s Avatar](image.php?s=c6dafa550fc41ed87a8052d5a1275cc4&u=3279&dateline=1105037919)
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Hi Lee,
Sure they still have value! Remember back in 99 when you and PornDaddy got me straight and hooked up with the CCBill people so I could open my first affiliate program? I still remember that show. It was my first show ever and was even the first time I had ever really communicated with any other webmasters at all! Online or in person! I remember being a little early and I really didn't know what other webmasters would look like. So I sent the barmaid over to ask if that group was here for the show. What transpired after that pretty much changed the future for me and many of those concepts that were discussed still play out today. Cheers, BV |
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2005-01-18, 07:37 PM
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WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school?
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Hi Honey, WOW what a nice surprise and waltz down memory lane...I miss those ol' times alot. You have done well for yourself. Yes, alot of things remain the same but I have always said those trying to "earn" off yesterdays business model are starting to feel some lower margins. More specifically, those still using business models from the 90's.... It was interesting today to see Rog from PornKings come forward and admit due to lower margins he had to do a 2 person layoff in one of his 3 branch offices [Seattle I believe] [Tampa, Seattle & Philipines]. He admitted he has to steer away from leased content and go exclusive.... I have always wondered if the original sponsors doing things the way they did for many years could compete in this competitive market slowly leaning and growing towards exclusive content. Then BAMMO, Rog comes forward from PornKings and states he is strong, very much around and changing the way they do business in the future was the jest of it. It seems in this business very few twists and turns yield solid crops forever...I remember when Jimbo [Yup, Greenie's Jimbo] entered the TGP business and he was kicking ass! Now I wonder how that is going....I have my suspicions... I am also seeing webmasters doing some great sites and putting more effort into them vs. free pics with a banner buffet on top. The whole area of content has done a real 180....used to be everyone had to buy content, now ya get it from the sponsors. Our business is still very young, and there is still a pot full of money to be made..so many ppl doing things the old stale way may see margins dropping but that is not the sky falling, its them failing... I am seeing webmasters due some amazing conversion ratio's, so it makes me wonder and rethink stuff.... In our time, it was a given...now its an art form.
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2005-01-18, 09:47 PM
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I remember my first CES show in Vegas in 97, heading down to the basbement "Adult section".... Most everyone was into audio,text,hardcopy,films.....very little Internet. than some guy tried to convince me to buy a "turnkey" adult site....almost did, talked 3 other guys into it and at the last minute decided We can build it ourselves. 4 mechanics with 2 PC's between us a 133 and the bad boy166 i think it was. well needless to say If i knew than what I know now i'd have the traffic the Hun has today.....the 1st 3 years was learning how to turn the PC on....
I can say that 1st year and the rest of the 4 years I went to CES in vegas I did hear alot of "what if's" that today are money makers big time from guys who are now big time..... just one question to the "old Timers"...where would You be today if You had the resources todays newbies have? free everything.... anyway just joined and wanted to say hello |
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2005-01-18, 10:55 PM
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WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school?
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Location: Central Florida
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Welcome JRingo.
Your first step of coming forward at this board may be your most important one yet. Congrats on make the move to speak up :-)) Great question... If I were to come into adult now, how would I proceed.... I will answer this but UNDERSTAND this is only my opinion, and I am skewed because I been around 10 years in the online industry and see alot of trends and stats.... That was a loaded question because it depends on what your looking to do...make some change to buy a toy part time or generate some bucks and make a full time career... To make a full time career, you need to be cash resourced coming in....sophistication and resources to pull it off take staffing... My focus would be on being a site review product. These folks are looking to come to your site to get the advantage and know in respect to where they could best spend their money. The concept I am drilling down to, is I would get into the genre where the traffic is more targetted and golden...I want to deal with those surfers who want to spend money and not freeload. The traffic is so much less than the other means, but the conversions are so much more rich....usually under 1:100. If you review 2000 sites lets say, and a surfer joins one of them, you get paid because you want to be an affiliate of every site your review. Then you can become an affiliate program, and pay webmasters if the surfer signs up to any of the 2000 sites. Blogs are starting to come into their own...surfers are looking for more information than buttons and banners...because of the glut fo sites... The content is always provided for free because your content is site reviews, and the sponsors have no problem giving you promo material, trailers, images etc... It just takes time to do the reviews and it is alot of work. LOL, just read your question again....if I were starting over today I would be as successful as I was when I came in 10 years ago because I know what is not tapped out..and what is..I also know where technology is going...and I do not want to be edged out because I am antiguated...so choosing my genre has to be immune to the standards ever changing on what it takes to have good paysites in 2005, 2006, 2007... If I tried to compete for traffic now, non TGP I would be in a world of hurt. BUT, if I come up with a product that attracts traffic to me, problem is solved. I believe doing a paysite review type of site would be my choice. If I had unlimited funds, I would of course buy traffic, or ideally buy domains with type-in traffic... Your going to start seeing sites going up for sale...its already happening...I would sit back in 2005 and acquire them for the traffic... Hope this answered your question.
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2005-01-19, 01:02 AM
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Thanks for the welcome, and Yes I agree many areas are played out making it very difficult for new starts. Unique has always been the key, the guy selling You the "secret to buying houses for no money down" is doing so because he has bought all there is and the next source of income is selling his success story. I guess what my main point was.....what used to be design by HTML is now Dreamweaver WYSIWYG, content...Your own or scarce selections at a high price Now everybody gives You free, domain name at $100.00 a year I get them now for 9.95, website 145.00 a month with limited bandwith Now I get it for 4.95 a month with 10 domains, sponsors....Remember the first "Xpics"?....... lol . I was i guess commenting on how much it has changed, easier in many ways but harder in others.....I remember getting listed on the Hun several times a month, now if you pay you wait months..... link trades were a simple email, sponsors didn't give much but example my Adult friend finder account is #4021 I seen one last week in the hundred thosands...many are so saturated.....I do like Your idea.....
in my opinion...as in any business where it has had time to fill up because of the early success stories You can supply the new starts or like you wrote come up with the unique or at least un saturated areas.... take care, Allen |
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2005-01-19, 01:20 AM
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Agree totally, used to be You tossed up a site ,a few pics,found a sponsor, and just started promo....I made so much money advertising AFF click thru at (if i remember .16 a hit) one good day getting on a few Big TGP's and my regular traffic - i'd get 16k uniques and maybe 150 sign ups, in 01 it went south and last I used them i was getting .01...... I still think for the small operator the right model,right marketing and people will join and stay with her like a girlfriend You can have a good run at it.
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2005-01-19, 01:29 AM
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One more and i'll quit...lol
re reading your post I have some questions.....from what I got are You saying build a site like the old "This site approved by Billybob critic" ? or a link site with just more text giving Your opinion on a specific pay site...like "siskel and whoever"? please explain. I would be interested. Let me ask this , I was toying with the idea of a reverse TGP of sorts ....where it is a "wanted by surfer" post answered by TGP poster providing the requests.....pros - cons? thanks Allen Quote:
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2005-01-19, 01:34 AM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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I knew when I saw Lee's thread that there would be lots of old-timers posting on this board... someone used a term on another board that I've kind of latched onto.... "pre-2k webmasters" to define those who came onto the 'Net in the wild west days of the 90's... just liked the sound of it.
How ya doin Lee? You looked great in Vegas - congrats again on the new gig... don't even have to give you good wishes, as I know they're not needed. You go girl! Just wanted to pop in.... very interesting thread.... I'm anxious to see who else crawls out of the woodwork.  |
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2005-01-19, 02:49 AM
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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old timers? sounds really old Lee...lol
btw, i call them guru. 
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2005-01-19, 07:06 AM
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Don't let a programmer design your front-end pages!
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I just said on netpiddler's board today that probably the biggest mistake I made was not to employ somebody back in 1999 when I was seriously thinking about it... The second biggest was my first break in 2000 when I went for 6 months to Europe to help my frailing mother pack and move to another town; not as a personal mistake, it actually healed some old wounds, but it set me back a lot with future traffic. I've seen so many oldtimers leave the biz over the last 15-18 months, it's not funny anymore! I have probably lost 1/3 of my linkexchange traffic due to people closing their sites, some even giving up their domains... Interesting the talk about review sites; only new years day that I registered a domain for one... I thought: new year = time for a fresh project.
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2005-01-19, 07:36 AM
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Stupid risks make life worth living
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I have 5+ years in biz and am definatley not an old timer
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2005-01-19, 08:50 AM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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Knowing what I know already, I'd be scared to come into this business not knowing anyone & trying to get an actual business off the ground.
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2005-01-19, 10:02 AM
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WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school?
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Come on Jimbo, your getting slow you old fart, you should have been asking this question! Shoot, we all have big regrets. My biggest regret was not jumping on the WebFather domain game when I could...I remember when he was peddling banners for $50 each and he was getting them made for $15 in New Mexico. Then one day is starts these $50 prize for who could submit the best domain names that are available...on YNOT in 1996-1997. I wached him build this empire and speak of his vision that domains were like virtual real estate...alot of us kinda blew this off as Rick was snapping up the domains for peanuts... Even if he paid 10K for a domain back then, we thought he was nuts, now look at him..he sells men.com for 1.3 million, he owns 4-6K domains with all type in traffic. I started in 1997 buying domains, and it was a little late in the game but I still got good ones because I was not competing against scripts and technologies to get them which folks do now. Ya, I made over $150K reselling what I bought but I could have made millions if I would have been more aggressive in getting domains and buying them used from owners that sat on them back when their value was not realized. I registered my first domain in 1995, and if I would have just bought more than the one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hmph, this regret still bugs me. It would have been one thing to wish I had done it but I came on the scene late but thats not the case. I was there from Day 1, and was there when Rick had this idea and was there when he made his first million... Argh.
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2005-01-19, 07:19 PM
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Trying is the first step towards failure
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Aren't the old timers circa '96? I don't count. I think I was dubbed a midbie because I'm from '98. But, Ms. Lee Noga is my desktop icon...one of the first faces besides Kath and Marsha I saw at that infamous AWE in Atlanta. I was in business for three years before showing my face....
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2005-01-19, 07:22 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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I came in in 96 but I don't think anyone knew me until 97 when I joined CONDOM
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2005-01-19, 07:44 PM
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NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them.
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I was a crossover from the old adult BBS community back in the 80s - I tried starting the web thing when it first appeared - even bought a good domain name that has since long gone - and due to personal issues had to drop the whole biz. Although some of my favorite memories are the people that the Hun used to list - because they actually posted links that they had nothing to do with - LOL - they just found an interesting pic gallery and gave it to him
The other memory I have was of all of the "award" sites which I guess now is the equivalent of the trendy review sites with a twist. Of course a better correlation would be that those were the old PR link sales pages  except that Google didnt exist but traffic trading was the key to success. |
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