2257 Question

koolkat · 2005-05-31, 08:36 AM

I was just wondering... from those who have read the new 2257 law, how my site would fall. I run an amateur site in which people submit their photos to me. I take it from what I read, this would basically make me a secondary producer, just like in the affiliate situation. Getting model releases might be a little difficult, since I'm sure that these guys don't ask their wivess to sign a model release when they are snapping pics of them getting banged in the bedroom.

Also, does the 2257 rules apply where the hardcore content is behind a pay site and there is no hardcore photos publically available? Because esentially, if a 10 years old steals a credit card and says he is 18 and goes to a porn site, what can you do? That is like the kid looking at his dad's Playboy mags. Since his dad has the Playboy, wouldn't he be required to have all of the models information since he is in possesion of the photographs that can be shown to other people?

Useless · 2005-05-31, 08:39 AM

User submitted photo sites are the worst case scenario. You can't possibly make one legal.

2257 applies to all content published to the internet, even if behind an access control system.

Greenguy · 2005-05-31, 08:46 AM

If you're posting pics that people submit to you without any documentation, then forget about the new 2257 - you're breaking the law as it stands now

koolkat · 2005-05-31, 07:03 PM

Oh well... I just guess I'm fucked, because I don't really see how I am going to get several thousand people to send me all of their info and copies of their photo IDs. Plus, having to make a copy of thousands of pages on the site and cross reference them to the model info...

AndyS · 2005-06-01, 12:35 PM

Would Koolkats situation be similar to what AFF, sexsearch etc will have to deal with? Will they be required to get all the info for each photo uploaded?

Barron · 2005-06-01, 12:51 PM

Heres an idea.

Find a webhost, ISP, not IPP, make a deal for virtual sites and domain names that you can retail to your posters for less than 10 bucks.

When your poster uploads, have the poster upload to their new virtual website and link the pictures from there.

Take a small commission on the virtual hosting, or credit for your dedictated server, and make some extra money.

Just a thought.

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koolkat · 2005-06-01, 06:26 PM

Yes this is a big problem for amateur (non-model) websites and adult personals sites.
To be honest, it would be easier for me to find a server in a foreign country, a foreign processor, and and keep my money in a foreign bank account... that way the US doesn't have any jurisdiction over it. I work very hard to prevent even copyrighted material from appearing on my site, least be am I going to allow CP!

koolkat · 2005-06-01, 11:38 PM

For the amateur and personals sites, this all goes back to whether Sundance v Reno applies.

vice-videos · 2005-06-05, 12:16 AM

Sounds like a cool site ! If you want to link up write me. Maybe you could even put in a small commercial on our videos.
David@vice-videos.com

www.vice-videos.com

2005-05-31, 08:36 AM	#1
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	2257 Question I was just wondering... from those who have read the new 2257 law, how my site would fall. I run an amateur site in which people submit their photos to me. I take it from what I read, this would basically make me a secondary producer, just like in the affiliate situation. Getting model releases might be a little difficult, since I'm sure that these guys don't ask their wivess to sign a model release when they are snapping pics of them getting banged in the bedroom. Also, does the 2257 rules apply where the hardcore content is behind a pay site and there is no hardcore photos publically available? Because esentially, if a 10 years old steals a credit card and says he is 18 and goes to a porn site, what can you do? That is like the kid looking at his dad's Playboy mags. Since his dad has the Playboy, wouldn't he be required to have all of the models information since he is in possesion of the photographs that can be shown to other people? __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-05-31, 08:39 AM	#2
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	User submitted photo sites are the worst case scenario. You can't possibly make one legal. 2257 applies to all content published to the internet, even if behind an access control system. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-05-31, 08:46 AM	#3
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,787	If you're posting pics that people submit to you without any documentation, then forget about the new 2257 - you're breaking the law as it stands now __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-05-31, 07:03 PM	#4
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	Oh well... I just guess I'm fucked, because I don't really see how I am going to get several thousand people to send me all of their info and copies of their photo IDs. Plus, having to make a copy of thousands of pages on the site and cross reference them to the model info... __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-06-01, 06:26 PM	#7
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	Yes this is a big problem for amateur (non-model) websites and adult personals sites. To be honest, it would be easier for me to find a server in a foreign country, a foreign processor, and and keep my money in a foreign bank account... that way the US doesn't have any jurisdiction over it. I work very hard to prevent even copyrighted material from appearing on my site, least be am I going to allow CP! __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-06-01, 12:35 PM	#5
AndyS They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 144	Would Koolkats situation be similar to what AFF, sexsearch etc will have to deal with? Will they be required to get all the info for each photo uploaded?

2005-06-01, 12:51 PM	#6
Barron You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try' Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 166	Heres an idea. Find a webhost, ISP, not IPP, make a deal for virtual sites and domain names that you can retail to your posters for less than 10 bucks. When your poster uploads, have the poster upload to their new virtual website and link the pictures from there. Take a small commission on the virtual hosting, or credit for your dedictated server, and make some extra money. Just a thought. _

2005-06-01, 11:38 PM	#8
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	For the amateur and personals sites, this all goes back to whether Sundance v Reno applies. __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-06-05, 12:16 AM	#9
vice-videos Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 25	Sounds like a cool site ! If you want to link up write me. Maybe you could even put in a small commercial on our videos. David@vice-videos.com www.vice-videos.com