Setting Up A Directory: My Adventures

[troy]

Hi Kristian,

Thanks for this tread.
I just started a new link list myself so it will be of much use.

I see you already decided not to go for the niche specific link list.
I have experience with that. I run a cumshot link list for more then 3 years and till now the hardest thing is to get submitters and good link trades. Even now I only have a handfull of both of them.

Good luck on your journey.

[flyeruk]

Hey Kristian,

This sounds like a great venture... it's even got my blood pumping just reading the thread

Thumbs up from me for movielinklist.com name and the movies only linklist idea... with more and more surfers using broadband, I think it's the way to go.

In my humble opinion, I'd definitely choose the best script you can afford. It'll save you having to change scripts further down the line and with your connections and backing from GG&J webmasters your listings will soon be in the thousands.

I'm using dragonlist on my main linklist and as I've mentioned in a previous thread, will be purchasing another 2 licenses from Mishi once I have more time.

If you want to do a cat trade once you're sorted, just pm me.

Oh, and great to see another Brit on the board

Lisa

[kristian]

Originally Posted by troy

Hi Kristian,

Thanks for this tread.
I just started a new link list myself so it will be of much use.

I see you already decided not to go for the niche specific link list.
I have experience with that. I run a cumshot link list for more then 3 years and till now the hardest thing is to get submitters and good link trades. Even now I only have a handfull of both of them.

Good luck on your journey.

Good to have you here, Troy

We can probably help each other with you having 3 years experience. I remember fris had squirtblog.com but I just went to look and it's offline. He had it to 60k I think with some good cumshot trades. You could check that out when / if it comes back online or even consider links to non-link lists which I'm sure you've already thought about. In any case, it's great to have a veteran, and I bet we can exchange notes on the new link lists.

[kristian]

Originally Posted by flyeruk

Hey Kristian,

This sounds like a great venture... it's even got my blood pumping just reading the thread

Thumbs up from me for movielinklist.com name and the movies only linklist idea... with more and more surfers using broadband, I think it's the way to go.

In my humble opinion, I'd definitely choose the best script you can afford. It'll save you having to change scripts further down the line and with your connections and backing from GG&J webmasters your listings will soon be in the thousands.

I'm using dragonlist on my main linklist and as I've mentioned in a previous thread, will be purchasing another 2 licenses from Mishi once I have more time.

If you want to do a cat trade once you're sorted, just pm me.

Oh, and great to see another Brit on the board

Lisa

Hey Limey

A cat trade will definitely be great. I'll hold you to that! As far as scripts go, I'll be choosing the best available. I posted about all scripts so as to make this accessible to pretty much anyone. Mishi's script looks so good and has so much positive feedback, it's making it a tough choice between that and gossamer which was my favorite before looking closely at Dragon List.

Anyway great to have a fellow brit and LL owner

[kristian]

Greenguy and MrYum will string me up by the balls today, but I'm considering the services of a designer.

The feeling of my friends (and I don't disagree) is that designing it yourself leads to a greater feeling of satisfaction. I will still very possibly go this route. I'm looking at a designer to keep my options open. I want to see what he can do for me.

So for the greater part of the day I will be answering questions to help him forumlate a design proposal (I'll post Q and A later today). I keep saying he. He's actually a popular regular here : NetGoonie. The only reason I would even consider NetGoonie as a designer is because he designs link lists, runs a link list, and knows seo.

So, as promised with this adventure, I'm being open every step of the way ... even if it means Greenguy and MrYum tying a noose around me nuts!

[kristian]

I should also mentioned that I've had extremely generous offers from other webmasters. These however came to me after I found NetGoonie. Not wanting to seem ungrateful or rude to anyone, I'm going to see NetGoonie's proposal, and then consider that and my other options presented by some very generous individuals (you know who you are ... not saying just incase they don't want me to).

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by kristian

Greenguy and MrYum will string me up by the balls today, but I'm considering the services of a designer.

Okay, that's it...whip em out and get ready to dangle

No worries at all Kristian. This whole thread is about ideas and personal experiences. If you were to try to incorporate them all, doubt you'd ever get anything done! Besides, I'm SURE you'll get a lot of that personal satisfaction out of watching the traffic/revenue climb as well

Frankly, I still look at FPP and think it looks way too amateurish and desperately needs a redesign. And I very well may do so at some point (as my own personal satisfaction with traffic/revenue climbs), but I did get give the ugly baby 'birth'...lol.

By the way...having fun yet???

[kristian]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Okay, that's it...whip em out and get ready to dangle

No worries at all Kristian. This whole thread is about ideas and personal experiences. If you were to try to incorporate them all, doubt you'd ever get anything done! Besides, I'm SURE you'll get a lot of that personal satisfaction out of watching the traffic/revenue climb as well

Frankly, I still look at FPP and think it looks way too amateurish and desperately needs a redesign. And I very well may do so at some point (as my own personal satisfaction with traffic/revenue climbs), but I did get give the ugly baby 'birth'...lol.

By the way...having fun yet???

Oh balls!!!!

In my humble opinion I'd be worried about changing FPP. It's a great site and if it's no broken, well you know the rest. What I like most about it is I would surf it as a surfer. I can honestly not say that about 95% of sites nowadays.

Having lots of fun for the first time in months. I decided on doing this a while ago. Time was just a problem. I've got my almost-wife running software for me and some online labor doing the rest. Frees up most of my time for this which is great.

Well great apart from getting me nuts strangled!

[kristian]

What is the consenus about trade scripts for link lists? Growing a tgp, it would be commonplace. Greenguy uses one on LOR (coupled with hard link trades). I notice most LLs seem to just go with hardlinks unless I am missing something (most likely!).

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by kristian

Oh balls!!!!

In my humble opinion I'd be worried about changing FPP. It's a great site and if it's no broken, well you know the rest. What I like most about it is I would surf it as a surfer. I can honestly not say that about 95% of sites nowadays.

Having lots of fun for the first time in months. I decided on doing this a while ago. Time was just a problem. I've got my almost-wife running software for me and some online labor doing the rest. Frees up most of my time for this which is great.

Well great apart from getting me nuts strangled!

Thanks, but as many of us are...I'm my own worst critic

Though I noticed last night Google has been playing with things again. PR jumped to 5 on several of my categories...doesnt' equate to traffic, but sure looks purdy on the tool bar

Wow! Online labor that actually works?! Hell, I may have to pick your brain on that one! Had a very poor experience with outsourcing some work last year.

Don't worry...I'll be gentle with em

Added: Regarding handling trades. I do everything with simple php includes pulling a set of txt files that are easy to open in mass...edit...upload...voila'. Can add a complete set of trades in about 30 minutes across all categories. All hard links of course.

[kristian]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Thanks, but as many of us are...I'm my own worst critic

Though I noticed last night Google has been playing with things again. PR jumped to 5 on several of my categories...doesnt' equate to traffic, but sure looks purdy on the tool bar

Wow! Online labor that actually works?! Hell, I may have to pick your brain on that one! Had a very poor experience with outsourcing some work last year.

Don't worry...I'll be gentle with em

Added: Regarding handling trades. I do everything with simple php includes pulling a set of txt files that are easy to open in mass...edit...upload...voila'. Can add a complete set of trades in about 30 minutes across all categories. All hard links of course.

Doesn't get much better than pr5 for adult, congrats!!

You could check out gene over at webmasterlabor(dot)com. I've only ever hear good things and his firm is at the top. If you're looking for reviewers though then you're probably best off here. Last time I heard we'd cloned 18 MMLs. I have some guys I use here in Wales but they do it mainly as a favor and are not really in the trade. Went to school with the owner.

Will look into your way of trading. Cheers!

[Simon]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Regarding handling trades. I do everything with simple php includes pulling a set of txt files that are easy to open in mass...edit...upload...voila'. Can add a complete set of trades in about 30 minutes across all categories. All hard links of course.

That's exactly what I do on xratedtv. All hard links, and all pulled from external text files. It does make link trades pretty easy.

Now, while I suggest that as a good way to get the result, I wish there was a better way.

So I'm going to add this question to your search for the right script(s) to use:

Do any of the Link List scripts have a "hard link trades" section of the admin, or a plug-in or module, where you can enter the info on your hard link trades and everything else is handled automatically when your pages update?


Simon

[kristian]

Simon -- I'm interested to know this too. If I can I will post answers today.

[kristian]

With kind permission from NetGoonie, I'm posting the information below.

I might use a designer for this project. NetGoonie, with experience in designing link lists, has offered to create a design proposal for my project. In order to do so, he emailed me 17 questions. Based on my answers, his feel for my needs and his own experience, he intends to reply with a proposal for designing MovieLinkList.com.

His prices and ideas will ultimately help make up my mind.

1. What script will you be using?

The choice I make will be dependant on three main factors : features (both user-side, webmaster-side, admin-side), stability of company (to ensure future updates to keep me ahead of technology), and support. Gossamer Threads would be my first choice, based on my three factors. However, now that you have shown me PowerSeek, I would consider it too. I like the functionality and the layout possibilities. What puts me off is having never heard of them and not knowing other adult link lists, other than yours, that use them.

2. Is this going to be a link list or more of a link directory?

A link list. I'm not sure of the difference but, since the domain is MovieLinkList.com, I better go with link list. We're talking lor, penisbot, hoes.

3. Are there any specific features you are looking to have in your site outside of the link script?

No, unless you can offer suggestions. I might consider implementing a thumb mgp, porn movie and paysite reviews, a blog, and a forum at a later stage.

4. Are there any other scripts to be part of the site i.e.: Toplist, TGP galleries, etc?

A trade script is a distinct possibility. Growing a tgp, it would be a necessity. I am just researching the possibility of using a trade script. It seems some link lists use them - combined with hard links - and some do not. If I used one, the idea would be to trade traffic with text mgps, while keeping LLs (with lesser traffic) on hardlink trade tables.

An mgp implementation is a possible in the future (using smart thumbs, most likely).

5. Do you have any kind of design concept you are interested in?

Design should be surfer-oriented with no advertising. The site design should have the surfer in mind at all times. How can we make it easy for them to find what they want, how can we deliver that content nicely to them, what will irritate them (remove it), what will the surfers like (add it). So forget about finding ways to make money off them. Make it a surfer-utopia.

6. Any sample web sites you've seen that you like how they were done?

PenisBot.com

Penisbot is designed with the surfer in mind. I like the color and icon-coded links (blue boxes with F, for free sites, for example) that are the right at below the header. Below these you have the category links. Right away a surfer knows how to find what he wants. Great! I also like the size of the links, especially those for today's sites running down the bottom of the entry page. Nice and big. I hate those sites with small links where you have to squint to find the porn. Cannot say enough good about this site. The surfer-functionality, the clean design, the intuitive navigation. Simple genius.

SublimeDirectory.com

Not a link list for free sites, but I like the surfer-functionality. Search bar at the top, a welcoming piece of news, category links down the side. Not as nicely laid out as PenisBot (links too small for a start) but nice and simple.

69TopLinks.com

Your site! I like the use of tables on the entry page (slim, stylish, packed with seo). Like the colors, the gradient bars, the design lines. Aesthically, verr easy on the eyes, stylish, makes me take notice. Don't like the background. As entry pages go, one of the best I've seen. Inside the site, not keen on the heavy advertising. I like the stylish tables, like the intuitive interface. Easy to find what I want. I'd like to see this site combined with the mentioned-elements of PenisBot.com.

7. Do you need content development of any kind (writing, photos...etc)?

No, I can do this myself.

8. Is website optimization, W3C compliancy, important for this site?

I'm not sure. Probably.

9. Do you require any SEO (search engine optimization) and if so, what do you want to achieve with this?

I require the site to be built with basic SEO considerations, but I presume this is standard. Other than that, I will seo myself.

10. Do you need monthly or quarterly Search Engine ranking reports?

No, that's ok.

11. Is there a time frame for this site to be completed and online?

This month. If you're able to get started right away, all the better.

12. Do you need a Branding solution - logo/identity development?

Yes. I'd like to see some samples though beforehand.

13. Do you need banners done and if so, estimated number and type of?

No need for banners. I will do these in html myself.

14. Do you need hosting provider suggestions? **This will be important because there are many hosts that do not allow certain scripts to run.

I have a reliable host : atchihosting.com

15. Do you have a working budget for this project?

Yes, but will appraise all costs judiciously.

16. Will you need ongoing site updates or additions of features or site sections?

Yes. If the site design is successful in my eyes I will certainly want to collaborate in the future - for this and other projects of a related nature. I actually wouldn't consider another designer once I'm happy with the design.

17. Do you have an idea of what content pages you need, i.e.: contact us, banners page, advertising page, splash entry page...etc?

Once the site is designed I can probably complete most pages myself with little effort. The hard part is getting the winning design in the first place.

Aside from the "obvious" pages designated by the script, it would just be an entry page, I think.

If you consider LOR, for instance, you have an entry, main, category pages, submit page, banner page. If you naturally include main, cats, and submit in your design, then the only entra will be entry and banner. I'll do the banner page myself.

[Xeno]

I sent you an email about scripts...looks like 3 choices: Xpower links (Similiar to Penisbots), Gossamer, and PowerSeek. I think Kit (Penisbot) will love what you said about their site, actually, its ranks high in my books for functionality, especially with the "icon-coded links" which I think is awesome.

Looks like everyone loves this thread, keep it up

[kristian]

Originally Posted by NetGoonie

I sent you an email about scripts...looks like 3 choices: Xpower links (Similiar to Penisbots), Gossamer, and PowerSeek. I think Kit (Penisbot) will love what you said about their site, actually, its ranks high in my books for functionality, especially with the "icon-coded links" which I think is awesome.

Looks like everyone loves this thread, keep it up

Am just chewing over the pros and cons of each script. This really is a toughie. Will try to give an answer today (not because you're rushing me, but because I'm an eager SOB).

[MrYum]

Thanks for the tip on webmasterlabor...got them bookmarked for future reference

Wouldn't be for reviews though...I plan to retire my girlfriend from her day job and bring her online for reviews when the time is right

Great set of questions and answers! Looks like a pretty comprehensive analysis of that piece of the project

[kristian]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Wouldn't be for reviews though...I plan to retire my girlfriend from her day job and bring her online for reviews when the time is right

hahaha
So we both went to the same school of adult webmastering! lol

[KG Gary]

Good luck kristian.
Like most here I'll be reading this thread regularly.
I doubt I'll have much to input, especially since you are going to list movies only, but good luck anyway.


Wales? You say Wales? My homeland? Woo Hoo!
Extra good luck to you then!

[stfuvt]

great thread, its really interesting
Good luck

[kristian]

Originally Posted by KG Gary

Good luck kristian.
Like most here I'll be reading this thread regularly.
I doubt I'll have much to input, especially since you are going to list movies only, but good luck anyway.


Wales? You say Wales? My homeland? Woo Hoo!
Extra good luck to you then!

Hey Gary

I'm in Llandudno. Great to have you in the thread dude!

[kristian]

Originally Posted by stfuvt

great thread, its really interesting
Good luck

Thanks, stfuvt

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by kristian

hahaha
So we both went to the same school of adult webmastering! lol

You betcha! I'd much rather have her running around here in a thong bikini as opposed to heading out to the office every day!

And of course, I'd have to get SOME work out of her lil butt

[kristian]

Originally Posted by MrYum

You betcha! I'd much rather have her running around here in a thong bikini as opposed to heading out to the office every day!

And of course, I'd have to get SOME work out of her lil butt

You're a bad man LOL

[stuveltje]

hya kristian and welcome back|cool| for 2 years already i am focussing on linksites, i have had several myself and sold them all on this moment i am making some new ones, and again i learned some things....one dont make them to big if you just start to make an linksite........i made that mistake myself again...its not only the submits you need in those categories but its also alot of work, when you start a linksite be sure you have the niches to get submits too, to get submits trade with other linksites submits pages and make you linksite known all around the world, keep your eye on the sponsors you use, i am very picky if an sponsor dont convert with in the 500 or 1000 clicks i will change it, it also ofcourse depends on the traffic you get, put a linkback for your own linksite on every free site you make, do cat linktrades.etc. i know i can put more here but on this moment its 12.39 after midnight here and i am getting to much a chinese old dutch lady, tomoorw i will try to give more input here of my own view