Fuck Wordpress

walrus · 2008-12-04, 01:14 AM

After 4 years, two hosts, countless hosting packages including dedicated servers and more hours on research than anyone should spend on trying to figure out how to keep the fucking script stable with a large well trafficked group of blogs, I fucking give up.

I'll figure out what to do to get my fucking server stable again and if that means dropping a couple large sites so be it.

Then off to newbie land and building free sites and trying to make some fucking money once again!

FuckingBastard · 2008-12-04, 11:07 AM

The free sites is more difficult to be indexed by google than blogs

Fadi · 2008-12-04, 12:58 PM

WOrdpress is by far the most search engine friendly application there is really. Google loves it.

Useless · 2008-12-04, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuckingBastard

The free sites is more difficult to be indexed by google than blogs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fadi

WOrdpress is by far the most search engine friendly application there is really. Google loves it.

I respectfully disagree. (See how that's done, ned?)

A free site isn't anymore difficult to get indexed than any other page. It all depends on its construction and who is linking to it, just like anything else.

Google doesn't care if you use WordPress or Joomla or static pages. Inbound links, content and on-site optimization are what matters.

WordPress can be user-friendly and pretty, but if you use multiple plugins and SEO mods, you're putting a drag on the server.

ArtWilliams · 2008-12-04, 07:51 PM

Hi Walrus,

Sorry to here things are not going well for you. Is it the script that is causing problems or just blogging per se? There are always other blogging tools like Moveable Type or Joomla.

Personally, I've found that for the income I can generate that blogging was just not worth it. Maybe I am just not good at it.

None-the-less, good luck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by walrus

After 4 years, two hosts, countless hosting packages including dedicated servers and more hours on research than anyone should spend on trying to figure out how to keep the fucking script stable with a large well trafficked group of blogs, I fucking give up.

I'll figure out what to do to get my fucking server stable again and if that means dropping a couple large sites so be it.

Then off to newbie land and building free sites and trying to make some fucking money once again!

Element115 · 2008-12-04, 08:50 PM

Have you tried Blogs Organizer? I haven't tried it myself but there seem to be a lot of people that swear by it. I'm considering giving it a go someday here but I haven't had any issues with WP.

cd34 · 2008-12-05, 01:38 AM

Having helped a number of wordpress powered sites, Walrus has reached a conclusion that a number of other people have reached.

The issue really isn't with BlogsOrganizer powering the network of sites, but, the fact that wordpress in a high traffic situation does not perform well. Their recent changes to their tables to hold revisions in the main table means that a site that has 1000 articles, each having a minor edit or two, results in a main post table with 3000+ records. Coupled with the fact that wordpress's indexes on that table are less than optimal for the types of queries, and the fact that the tag cloud is created with an utter mess of code, pushing a large amount of traffic through wordpress becomes problematic. wp-cache and wp-super-cache merely delay the inevitable.

A large, high traffic network running on wordpress will melt down with enough traffic. Add in pings and trackbacks and google scanning those 500 posts on 60+ blogs on one machine and you've got 30000 pageviews from Googlebot every week or so. And while googlebot's network will only scan 1 page per domain per bot per minute, if you've got 60 blogs, its hitting wordpress 60 times a minute on top of your normal traffic.

Wordpress was never designed with that type of activity. Neither was Joomla. MovableType writes static files which are infinitely better behaved.

And yes, google likes the default wordpress templates, but, that doesn't mean that it is the best. Their default templates and many of the supplied templates do have coding errors and are not optimal, but, are not too bad.

Walrus, I have another client with similar issues -- he's out of town right now, but, you might want to chat with him. He's about ready to write his own software or contract it out. Perhaps you can collaborate.

Vivaldi · 2008-12-05, 05:28 AM

Walrus what number of wp blogs do You have!? is one table with multiple table prefixes or more tables!? Interested as to have a server with one to manny wp's but low in traffic for now.

walrus · 2008-12-05, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuckingBastard

The free sites is more difficult to be indexed by google than blogs

I've been hanging around this board here for a while and think I have a good base knowledge of the free site game from the perspective of someone who really hasn't played it.

While I know I have tons to learn on the subject, I think I've got a pretty good jump on a lot of people

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fadi

WOrdpress is by far the most search engine friendly application there is really. Google loves it.

Wordpress by itself has nothing to do with it. The basic templates with wordpress are more SE friendly than most people can build simply because they don't know much about optimization.

Again, while I concede I know very little on the optimization front, I'm also sure my experiences to date put me ahead of most of the crowd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by artwilliams

Hi Walrus,

Sorry to here things are not going well for you. Is it the script that is causing problems or just blogging per se? There are always other blogging tools like Moveable Type or Joomla.

Personally, I've found that for the income I can generate that blogging was just not worth it. Maybe I am just not good at it.

None-the-less, good luck.

Or maybe the problem is things ar going too well. Blogging takes patience, tons of it and time but in the long run you can build a network of blogs that can generate money. Until they get too big, that is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Element115

Have you tried Blogs Organizer? I haven't tried it myself but there seem to be a lot of people that swear by it. I'm considering giving it a go someday here but I haven't had any issues with WP.

Wait until you have around 10k worth of posts on a blog and getting 5-6k a day in traffic. Multiply that by 4. I promise you'll melt what ever server your on.

BO is a nice script and I do own a copy but if your building more than splogs your extremely limited. It just doesn't have the required features to compete outside of the splog arena

Quote:

Originally Posted by cd34

Having helped a number of wordpress powered sites, Walrus has reached a conclusion that a number of other people have reached.

The issue really isn't with BlogsOrganizer powering the network of sites, but, the fact that wordpress in a high traffic situation does not perform well. Their recent changes to their tables to hold revisions in the main table means that a site that has 1000 articles, each having a minor edit or two, results in a main post table with 3000+ records. Coupled with the fact that wordpress's indexes on that table are less than optimal for the types of queries, and the fact that the tag cloud is created with an utter mess of code, pushing a large amount of traffic through wordpress becomes problematic. wp-cache and wp-super-cache merely delay the inevitable.

A large, high traffic network running on wordpress will melt down with enough traffic. Add in pings and trackbacks and google scanning those 500 posts on 60+ blogs on one machine and you've got 30000 pageviews from Googlebot every week or so. And while googlebot's network will only scan 1 page per domain per bot per minute, if you've got 60 blogs, its hitting wordpress 60 times a minute on top of your normal traffic.

Wordpress was never designed with that type of activity. Neither was Joomla. MovableType writes static files which are infinitely better behaved.

And yes, google likes the default wordpress templates, but, that doesn't mean that it is the best. Their default templates and many of the supplied templates do have coding errors and are not optimal, but, are not too bad.

Walrus, I have another client with similar issues -- he's out of town right now, but, you might want to chat with him. He's about ready to write his own software or contract it out. Perhaps you can collaborate.

Thanks, ya put me in touch maybe we can do something together. I've definately got some idea's on what I'd like to see from a script.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivaldi

Walrus what number of wp blogs do You have!? is one table with multiple table prefixes or more tables!? Interested as to have a server with one to manny wp's but low in traffic for now.

On the problematic server it's only 10. But my 4 oldest, most heavily trafficed blogs are on that server.

T Pat · 2008-12-05, 03:30 PM

Well that sucks

Bill · 2008-12-05, 03:50 PM

The MovableType suggestion seems interesting.

It would be interesting to see and hear just what the differences are between wordpress and movable type, in practice, for adult commercial blogging.

Tho, the larger question about stable profitability hangs over the whole blogging endeavor. It's hard to imagine, if signups were solid, that stability couldn't be resolved.

Useless · 2008-12-05, 03:56 PM

If WordPress would have remained a blogging engine rather than attempting to create a CMS that anyone could use for any purpose and have the ability to work with every possible plugin, it would have been better off. Small and stable, sort of like me, is better in the long run than big and versatile. I suppose you could grab an old release of WP and have a programmer integrate features that are needed and eliminate extra processes.

walrus · 2008-12-05, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T Pat

Well that sucks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

The MovableType suggestion seems interesting.

It would be interesting to see and hear just what the differences are between wordpress and movable type, in practice, for adult commercial blogging.

Tho, the larger question about stable profitability hangs over the whole blogging endeavor. It's hard to imagine, if signups were solid, that stability couldn't be resolved.

There is the option of moving to drupal or perhaps a different platform but at this point in time it's a question of time and effort versus profitability. Like I said originally, I sunk a lot of time and money trying to stabilize WP already.

In the long run, a port over to Drupal seems likely but in the near future I think I'll be focusing on other avenues than WP or blogging

If memory serves and if ronnie is still running around he might be able to enlighten on Movable Type as I believe that was his initial script and then he moved to WP

dunc · 2008-12-06, 01:15 AM

Give textpattern a go.

I forgot to say, its got a Wordpress import feature and oodles of plugins... you've just got to port your template across

faxxaff · 2008-12-06, 08:09 AM

I never liked wordpress, that's why I went with http://www.b2evolution.net/

I run multidomain blogs on a couple of servers and it is very stable. If you need help, I can recommend you a coder for installs and mods.

Simon · 2008-12-06, 08:58 AM

This is coming at a time when I'm deciding on scripts for new projects. And between what I'm seeing here and have noticed myself, I'm interested in looking at alternatives to WordPress too.

I'd like to know more about MovableType too (I think Cleo uses or used to use it somewhere). And I'm taking another look at b2evolution now that I see it has tags and can run multiple blogs from one install. Mostly I'd like to know how those two perform with multiple blogs getting decent traffic on the same box.

pc · 2008-12-06, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon

This is coming at a time when I'm deciding on scripts for new projects. And between what I'm seeing here and have noticed myself, I'm interested in looking at alternatives to WordPress too.

I'd like to know more about MovableType too (I think Cleo uses or used to use it somewhere). And I'm taking another look at b2evolution now that I see it has tags and can run multiple blogs from one install. Mostly I'd like to know how those two perform with multiple blogs getting decent traffic on the same box.

I running mainstream blog on b2evo so if you want to look LMK.Traffic is low and database seems to be big for that amount of posts

admc · 2008-12-11, 07:29 PM

I think it may be possible to get wordpress to publish static pages.

Useless · 2008-12-11, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admc

I think it may be possible to get wordpress to publish static pages.

Yeah? How?

admc · 2008-12-11, 08:45 PM

Well it will take reworking wordpress from the Admin area. More like a switch that will allow an admin to set how the blog should be accessed. I will look into this to know which way will work. I don't know if a plugin can do it. I will tell you which one I think might work when I take a look at the code.
You gotta remember, most of the actions that happen on a wordpress site are read actions. Unless you are getting a lot of comments from users.

Bill · 2008-12-11, 10:21 PM

Anybody got movabletype adult blogs?

I'm still curious about the movabletype option, or any blogging system that makes fixed html pages.

Bill · 2008-12-15, 05:15 PM

I've been studying this question ever since walrus brought it up.

But, curiously, I'm not finding a lot of people complaining about wordpress mucking up or fucking up their server.

All I see is wordpress praise - this page posted over at the zoo about how wonderful wordpress is for operating high traffic magazine and video sites for example:

http://www.wpzoom.com/plugins/wordpr...atform-part-1/

I was wondering if anybody here has any links to other people or pages talking about wordpress doing this, that is, crashing a server with a relatively low traffic porn blog?

---

On another note, wow, movable type templates appear to suck. No wonder it lost market share.

Useless · 2008-12-15, 05:31 PM

One of the comments on that post sums it up pretty well.

Quote:

Unless you have the facility customise the code, Wordpress is probably the worst choice for a busy blog. Being open source make its routines available to every wanabe hacker on the planet.
If I ran Wordpress on our blog network we would need to triple the server capacity just to handle the crazy number of php calls.
I would rather let my server use its time working out the sponsor ad delivery instead of a bunch of dumb routines that do little more than decide what theme or plugins are installed.
Just look at the Wordpress default css and you will see where it’s all leading.

Those high traffic news sites aren't using an out-of-the-box installation of WP. A lot of code has been tossed/optimized. I have the feeling that a lot of coders who have sifted through WP's script pages in order to optimize it probably wish they had created their own platform instead. I don't want to make it sound like WP is shit. It's not. It's an excellent platform for the average user.

awgPablo · 2008-12-18, 05:18 PM

I'll throw down a big vote for looking at Drupal. I run a bunch of mainstream sites on it and it has fantastic capacity to run multiple sites on one installation. There are a lot of features for "throttling" content delivery and the caching system is very good. I'm only just recently re-doing an adult site or three with it so I'm still working out which modules/optimizations/etc. are best for this space, but my experience in the other side of the 'Net is pretty good.

It's a very good system, IMO. I'm not an expert on massively-trafficked sites, but there are many huge sites running on Drupal... The Onion, for instance. (I know that as UW says, high traffic news sites aren't running anything oob, but still, the system is built with stability & scalability in mind.)

Two cents deposited.

Bill · 2008-12-18, 09:40 PM

Hmmmm, drupal's not bad, I've messed with it a bit.

I wonder if anyone's built any large adult sites with it? Anyone know?

I have no idea wether drupal would be free of this apparent wordpress problem. It does have a reputation for stability.

2008-12-04, 01:14 AM	#1
walrus Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,773	Fuck Wordpress After 4 years, two hosts, countless hosting packages including dedicated servers and more hours on research than anyone should spend on trying to figure out how to keep the fucking script stable with a large well trafficked group of blogs, I fucking give up. I'll figure out what to do to get my fucking server stable again and if that means dropping a couple large sites so be it. Then off to newbie land and building free sites and trying to make some fucking money once again! __________________ Naked Girlfriend Porn TGP free partner account

2008-12-04, 11:07 AM	#2
FuckingBastard Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fluffy Land Posts: 200	The free sites is more difficult to be indexed by google than blogs __________________

2008-12-04, 12:58 PM	#3
Fadi Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5	WOrdpress is by far the most search engine friendly application there is really. Google loves it. __________________ Easy Adult Traffic. You've Never Seen This Before.

2008-12-05, 01:38 AM	#7
cd34 a.k.a. Sparky Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: West Palm Beach, FL, USA Posts: 2,396	Having helped a number of wordpress powered sites, Walrus has reached a conclusion that a number of other people have reached. The issue really isn't with BlogsOrganizer powering the network of sites, but, the fact that wordpress in a high traffic situation does not perform well. Their recent changes to their tables to hold revisions in the main table means that a site that has 1000 articles, each having a minor edit or two, results in a main post table with 3000+ records. Coupled with the fact that wordpress's indexes on that table are less than optimal for the types of queries, and the fact that the tag cloud is created with an utter mess of code, pushing a large amount of traffic through wordpress becomes problematic. wp-cache and wp-super-cache merely delay the inevitable. A large, high traffic network running on wordpress will melt down with enough traffic. Add in pings and trackbacks and google scanning those 500 posts on 60+ blogs on one machine and you've got 30000 pageviews from Googlebot every week or so. And while googlebot's network will only scan 1 page per domain per bot per minute, if you've got 60 blogs, its hitting wordpress 60 times a minute on top of your normal traffic. Wordpress was never designed with that type of activity. Neither was Joomla. MovableType writes static files which are infinitely better behaved. And yes, google likes the default wordpress templates, but, that doesn't mean that it is the best. Their default templates and many of the supplied templates do have coding errors and are not optimal, but, are not too bad. Walrus, I have another client with similar issues -- he's out of town right now, but, you might want to chat with him. He's about ready to write his own software or contract it out. Perhaps you can collaborate. __________________ SnapReplay.com a different way to share photos - iPhone & Android

2008-12-05, 05:28 AM	#8
Vivaldi I don't have to be careful. I got a gun Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 367	Walrus what number of wp blogs do You have!? is one table with multiple table prefixes or more tables!? Interested as to have a server with one to manny wp's but low in traffic for now. __________________ Quality Adult Sex ~ Net Sex Places ~ Naughty Free Porn

2008-12-04, 08:50 PM	#6
Element115 I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 86	Have you tried Blogs Organizer? I haven't tried it myself but there seem to be a lot of people that swear by it. I'm considering giving it a go someday here but I haven't had any issues with WP.

2008-12-05, 03:30 PM	#10
T Pat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Paridise Posts: 3,244	Well that sucks __________________ How To Keep An Asshole In Suspense I'll Tell You Later

2008-12-05, 03:50 PM	#11
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	The MovableType suggestion seems interesting. It would be interesting to see and hear just what the differences are between wordpress and movable type, in practice, for adult commercial blogging. Tho, the larger question about stable profitability hangs over the whole blogging endeavor. It's hard to imagine, if signups were solid, that stability couldn't be resolved. Last edited by Bill; 2008-12-05 at 03:53 PM..

2008-12-05, 03:56 PM	#12
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	If WordPress would have remained a blogging engine rather than attempting to create a CMS that anyone could use for any purpose and have the ability to work with every possible plugin, it would have been better off. Small and stable, sort of like me, is better in the long run than big and versatile. I suppose you could grab an old release of WP and have a programmer integrate features that are needed and eliminate extra processes. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2008-12-06, 01:15 AM	#14
dunc You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 658	Give textpattern a go. I forgot to say, its got a Wordpress import feature and oodles of plugins... you've just got to port your template across Last edited by dunc; 2008-12-06 at 01:24 AM..

2008-12-06, 08:09 AM	#15
faxxaff I've always wondered if there was a god. And now I know there is -- and it's me Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vietnam Posts: 326	I never liked wordpress, that's why I went with http://www.b2evolution.net/ I run multidomain blogs on a couple of servers and it is very stable. If you need help, I can recommend you a coder for installs and mods. __________________ Adult Webmaster Blog Fine Asian Pussy

2008-12-06, 08:58 AM	#16
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	This is coming at a time when I'm deciding on scripts for new projects. And between what I'm seeing here and have noticed myself, I'm interested in looking at alternatives to WordPress too. I'd like to know more about MovableType too (I think Cleo uses or used to use it somewhere). And I'm taking another look at b2evolution now that I see it has tags and can run multiple blogs from one install. Mostly I'd like to know how those two perform with multiple blogs getting decent traffic on the same box. __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka

2008-12-11, 07:29 PM	#18
admc Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 7	I think it may be possible to get wordpress to publish static pages.

2008-12-11, 08:45 PM	#20
admc Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 7	Well it will take reworking wordpress from the Admin area. More like a switch that will allow an admin to set how the blog should be accessed. I will look into this to know which way will work. I don't know if a plugin can do it. I will tell you which one I think might work when I take a look at the code. You gotta remember, most of the actions that happen on a wordpress site are read actions. Unless you are getting a lot of comments from users.

2008-12-11, 10:21 PM	#21
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Anybody got movabletype adult blogs? I'm still curious about the movabletype option, or any blogging system that makes fixed html pages.

2008-12-15, 05:15 PM	#22
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I've been studying this question ever since walrus brought it up. But, curiously, I'm not finding a lot of people complaining about wordpress mucking up or fucking up their server. All I see is wordpress praise - this page posted over at the zoo about how wonderful wordpress is for operating high traffic magazine and video sites for example: http://www.wpzoom.com/plugins/wordpr...atform-part-1/ I was wondering if anybody here has any links to other people or pages talking about wordpress doing this, that is, crashing a server with a relatively low traffic porn blog? --- On another note, wow, movable type templates appear to suck. No wonder it lost market share.

2008-12-18, 05:18 PM	#24
awgPablo Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 14	I'll throw down a big vote for looking at Drupal. I run a bunch of mainstream sites on it and it has fantastic capacity to run multiple sites on one installation. There are a lot of features for "throttling" content delivery and the caching system is very good. I'm only just recently re-doing an adult site or three with it so I'm still working out which modules/optimizations/etc. are best for this space, but my experience in the other side of the 'Net is pretty good. It's a very good system, IMO. I'm not an expert on massively-trafficked sites, but there are many huge sites running on Drupal... The Onion, for instance. (I know that as UW says, high traffic news sites aren't running anything oob, but still, the system is built with stability & scalability in mind.) Two cents deposited.

2008-12-18, 09:40 PM	#25
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Hmmmm, drupal's not bad, I've messed with it a bit. I wonder if anyone's built any large adult sites with it? Anyone know? I have no idea wether drupal would be free of this apparent wordpress problem. It does have a reputation for stability.