Found domain name in blacklist :(

[swedguy]

Originally Posted by Yahook

Natalie, could you please give me some examples of illegal domains?

Don't you have anything useful to do?

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Yahook

Linkster the query "domain.com" will show you all backward links...

Yahook - here's my first free tip on SEO - that will not show you the backlinks - it will show you everyone that has those words on their page - not linking to you!
Normally I would charge for that kind of advice but since youre a regular poster here - its free I dont know who misled you to think that query would show backlinks - but it will NOT!

sundiver - I dont know where you are getting your information but I can guarantee you that every link list owner I know of - which is a little over 100 of the top link lists - has a host ban list - and so does just about every large TGP out there - and we do occasionally talk about it with each other. It would be stupid for us to not have a ban list - especially when in the past when we didnt look at hosts - we were spending 5-6 hours a day cleaning up sites that cheaters had submitted - and guess what - they all came from the same hosts
As far as the boards that were plotting how to get around the LL rules - I personally read a few of them - after translating of course and I can vouch for what Alex posted - and you would be amazed at some things I learned from their posts.
I can tell you that one host went so far as to post here saying they were cleaning up the cheaters - then went and tried to redirect all of the nameservers to different hosting companies - so Alex knows what he is talking about

[sundiver]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sundiver, about a year ago, a discussion here lead to the revealing of a single host name that was banned. Within hours, certain webmaster chat boards were filled with ways to get around the ban, how to set up other name servers, the host tried to contract out boxes on another host to move people, etc. It wasn't to stop the reasons that they would have been banned for, but instead to help the exact set of cheaters that were banned to work their way around the blocks. They were not going to make their sites better, remove the toolbar downloaders, the geo redirections, or re-install the images that 404ed to console hell, but they were sure going to try to trick us into listing their shit sites again.

Originally Posted by Linkster

As far as the boards that were plotting how to get around the LL rules - I personally read a few of them - after translating of course and I can vouch for what Alex posted - and you would be amazed at some things I learned from their posts.
I can tell you that one host went so far as to post here saying they were cleaning up the cheaters - then went and tried to redirect all of the nameservers to different hosting companies - so Alex knows what he is talking about

I know what I'm talking about too, because I'm pretty sure I know what boards you're talking about. I remember those topics on GG&J and on those boards... btw, I guess I have even more clear idea about topics on those boards as far as I don't need a translation to read them =)
as I remeber that posts they were made by (and for) honest webmasters which were concerned about banning their hosting. as for cheaters all of them know all the easy technologies you're talking about. I wonder that you found something new for you there.
moving to another hosting is not such a good idea for many of Russian webmasters as far as not all of us has credit cards to pay for a us/eu hosting. Russian hosting providers offer more convinient payment ways for Russian webmasters. so whatever you think about it, not everybody who wanted to change their nameservers, ips, etc are cheaters. not all of them or even non of them wanted to redirect your traffic, put consoles on their sites, and so on.
I do not protect those hosting providers and probably you had more than valid grounds to ban them, I just wanna explain you the situation as it is seen from other side.

Originally Posted by Linkster

I dont know where you are getting your information but I can guarantee you that every link list owner I know of - which is a little over 100 of the top link lists - has a host ban list - and so does just about every large TGP out there - and we do occasionally talk about it with each other. It would be stupid for us to not have a ban list - especially when in the past when we didnt look at hosts - we were spending 5-6 hours a day cleaning up sites that cheaters had submitted - and guess what - they all came from the same hosts

maybe they have such lists, but maybe they also use some more flexible approach to this, because I know a lot of webmasters who use 3fn, hqhost , etc and get listed on most big link lists.

[Yahook]

Yahook - here's my first free tip on SEO - that will not show you the backlinks - it will show you everyone that has those words on their page - not linking to you!

Thanks Linkster, I know how to check backward links "link:domain.com", but if you just use "domain.com" that search will also include backward links and it's not limited.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Yahook

Thanks Linkster, I know how to check backward links "link:domain.com", but if you just use "domain.com" that search will also include backward links and it's not limited.

I think you missed my point - I totally agree that the link:domain.com is limited on purpose by Google - but if you just use the domain name - yes you will get all backlinks but you will also get everyone that has just the name on their page without a backlink
Thats why I suggested using link|domain.com - that will just show all of Googles backlinks without the clutter of the sites that arent actually linking to you

[Yahook]

link|penisbot.com shows 5 010 000 pages

Checking first one: http://www.dlink.com/ - I don't see link to Penisbot there.
The second one: http://www.theatre-link.com/ - I don't see link to Penisbot there too.

So this search doesn't work for me.

But thanks for giving info for me. I know you wanted to help

[Linkster]

Yahook - you are correct - Google has found their bug - so now using the pipe | symbol does almost the exact same thing as just typing in the domain.com - and choosing see all pages that contain domain.com
If you choose "see all sites that link to domain.com" it will only give a small sample of the backlinks (around 10% for a site I just checked)
However if you check using the link: command in Yahoo it seems to give almost all of the backlinks

[RawAlex]

sundiver, at the end of the day, if you live in a bad neighborhood, then you will have a hard time getting anyone to come to your door. You might be the most honest guy in the world, but you are surrounded by cheaters and scammers. I don't have the time or the will try to pick you out of that crowd.

I am currently looking at some other options that might help some webmasters out.

As for hosting, I don't use a credit card, I pay by check. You might want to consider that option (even if you have to get a company in the US to issue the checks for you) rather than limiting yourself to a very few hosts because of payment issues.

As Linkster siad, google has chosen to obscure or not show all of the results, and to provide variable information that is difficult to track and use for SEO. It makes it much more interesting to watch.

Alex

[Yahook]

Yes, but the number of links can't be more than the number of results for "domain.com".

[Linkster]

Yahook thats very true - but domain.com results arent all links