How to Promote Sites Besides Gallery Submissions

[PornFact]

Hi all! It's about 3 months since I started submitting 1 gallery a day as my part time work.. Recently I'm earning $250 to $350 a week so I must say that it was improved a bit.

And now, here are some questions for all of the gurus out there.. |goodidea
- Besides gallery submissions.. How can I promote the affiliates that I'm promoting?
- What type of site do you suggest for me to develop?
- Also, can I do this without any knowledge of SEO or even programming skills to improve my SE ranking?

I will really appreciate if you guys will share some infos and tips about this.

Thanks in advance.

[Greenguy]

Since you're already making galleries, Free Sites would be a good fit, since they are (in their most basic form) 2 gallery pages with a warning & main page in front of them (poke around the Link Lists & Getting Listed forum for more info & examples)

[PornFact]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Since you're already making galleries, Free Sites would be a good fit, since they are (in their most basic form) 2 gallery pages with a warning & main page in front of them (poke around the Link Lists & Getting Listed forum for more info & examples)

Thanks a lot.. I really appreciate it. A few questions though..
Is making Freesites converts better than submitting galleries? I mean, in terms of advantages.. Besides having a warning page, main page and 2 galleries.. Are freesites traffic rely on the site that they've submitted alone or are there other ways that it generates traffic like SE or something? In short.. What are the advantages that a Freesite can do that a gallery can't??

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by PornFact

Is making Freesites converts better than submitting galleries?

As a rule, yes.

Originally Posted by PornFact

Are freesites traffic rely on the site that they've submitted alone or are there other ways that it generates traffic like SE or something?

You get some SE traffic, but not a lot (unless you work at it, but in my opinion -and some may disagree- you can make better money making more sites that spending the same time tweaking your free sites and fighting for SE traffic).

Also remember that free sites can be made of two of your existing galleries, so half the work is already done for you.

[docholly]

Another way to look for other sources of revenue as well as info on freesites, traffic etc is to attend OTB (see the link for radio on the menu above) it's every Saturday at 12n PST (3pm EST) lots of valuable information is presented there each week and a good way to get to know other webmasters. also on Wednesdays at 11pm EST (8pm PST) there is an SEO chat (no radio) that is text only where you can learn how to tweak a little on your sites before submitting them.

and if you really wanna know whats' going on in the wonder world of webmastering.. attend the weekly tuesday night radio show (see above link too) where you'll find out that Jim has dogs and other interesting bits of news and opinion.

[Papa]

Originally Posted by PornFact

Thanks a lot.. I really appreciate it. A few questions though..
Is making Freesites converts better than submitting galleries? I mean, in terms of advantages.. Besides having a warning page, main page and 2 galleries.. Are freesites traffic rely on the site that they've submitted alone or are there other ways that it generates traffic like SE or something? In short.. What are the advantages that a Freesite can do that a gallery can't??

Just keep in mind that freesites are a long term thingo. You won't get listed fast. It's mainly targetted at Search engines, which is a gold mine. One of the best converting traffic source besides Internal Avs traffic as surfers proved they used their credit card online to see porn.

[MonsterPartners]

Originally Posted by PornFact

Thanks a lot.. I really appreciate it. A few questions though..
Is making Freesites converts better than submitting galleries? I mean, in terms of advantages.. Besides having a warning page, main page and 2 galleries.. Are freesites traffic rely on the site that they've submitted alone or are there other ways that it generates traffic like SE or something? In short.. What are the advantages that a Freesite can do that a gallery can't??

I have always done much better with Free Sites than I have with gallery submissions.

[Greenguy]

I have no number to back this claim up (and it depends on each person's marketing skills) but I feel that free Sites, while they have much less traffic, convert better overall because of the amount of ads (4 pages as opposed to 1) & the quality of traffic form Link Lists (and yes, I am very biased - lol)

There are SE benefits if you know what you're doing (or get lucky every now & then like me) as Link Lists tend to have more pages & text, which means more SE spiders (my opinion only)

[Greenguy]

...and let's not forget about hubs (basically a page/site that lists only your stuff, fed by traffic from your other sites & galleries)

[Linkster]

A more important point to take into consideration with Free sites vs Galleries - the cost to you for bandwidth.
While the traffic from a link list is much higher quality (just do a search in Google for high value keywords and youll usually see link lists listed first) and converts at a much better rate, the traffic is a lot less than what you would expect from a full blown submission routine with galleries. That means less traffic cost on your end for better results - just makes economic sense

[PornFact]

Great words guys! I really appreciate this.

Learned a lot in this thread alone..

Ok.. A few more questions.. heh

I'm currently submitting movie galleries.. (using sponsors free hosting so no prob with the bandwidth cost)

In the freesites.. Are movie galleries converts better than picture galleries??

Is it advisable that I use only 1 model for the 2 galleries or it doesn't matter if I use a different model for each galleries?

[Greenguy]

The sponsor hosting might be a problem, since a lot of Link Lists have banned any & all free hosting. So if you're going to do free sites, you'll need your own hosting.

I've seen people use both methods - continuous pics/movies & different series pics/movies for each gallery. As long as they match the niche, like blondes having sex & not 1 page of BBW's & one page of Asians, you'll be safe.

[PornFact]

Thanks for the inputs guys.. I just hope that you bear with me with stupid q's about this.. heh.. I just need to start somewhere besides gallery submissions and I'm very glad that people here share their knowledge.

At the moment. I'm having no prob with the free hosting that my sponsor is offering.. But I'm interested purchasing one though..

I must say that this project needs a dedicated hosting right? If so, how much is the estimated bandwidth (GB) burned for this per month??

How many freesites do I have to make for a week in order to have a good start??

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by PornFact

At the moment. I'm having no prob with the free hosting that my sponsor is offering.. But I'm interested purchasing one though..

I must say that this project needs a dedicated hosting right? If so, how much is the estimated bandwidth (GB) burned for this per month??

How many freesites do I have to make for a week in order to have a good start??

If you're going to be doing freesites and not galleries on your new host, you can probably start out with a cheap virtual hosting plan and upgrade it as you grow your traffic. This is MUCH cheaper than a dedicated server. You can get a small starter account for around 6-7 bucks a month. Then just bump it up as you grow. At least that is what I did.

As far as howmany freesites a week to build, I would say a good rule of thumb is one freesite a day, everyday.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by PornFact

At the moment. I'm having no prob with the free hosting that my sponsor is offering.. But I'm interested purchasing one though........But I'm interested purchasing one though..How many freesites do I have to make for a week in order to have a good start??

Running free sites on free hosts is not going to work. The majority of link lists won't list sites on free hosts, and there are not enough that do to get you the traffic you need to make more than a few cents.

As to how many you need to make, well that depends on how much you want to earn. Most of the big sites limit you to one submission a day, so one site a day is a good target to aim for. But if this is in addition to TGP galleries, you may not have enough time to do that until you have a goodly number of templates created.

Originally Posted by PornFact

Are there any site that offers guides to develop these sites?? What knowledge should be needed, $ needed, skills, etc..

I have posted these links before, but as you are new:
Other ways to get traffic: http://www.free-internet-porn.com/we...-traffic.shtml

Getting good search engine traffic: http://www.free-internet-porn.com/we...-engines.shtml

Tool for posting to search engines: http://www.free-internet-porn.com/we...ine-post.shtml

However do be aware that site has not been updated in a couple of years, and if you go to the main index (http://www.free-internet-porn.com/we...s/content.html) you are going to find a few things are out of date (for example it talks about getting a TGP on a free host listed on link lists, which was fine when the article was written, but nowadays most link lists won't list sites on free hosts).

Originally Posted by PornFact

I don't have any knowledge in programming

Then I suggest you learn. It will take you a weekend to learn HTML and if you are writing your code yourself you will find you can do a lot more and make a lot more money if you know HTML.

And although you don't need to know any type of CGI programming for free sites and TGP galleries, you will do if you want to go even further. So if you have time I suggest you also learn Perl. It will take you a weekend to learn the basics, but several weekends to learn as much as you need to know to write really good CGI programs.

[PornFact]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Running free sites on free hosts is not going to work. The majority of link lists won't list sites on free hosts, and there are not enough that do to get you the traffic you need to make more than a few cents.

As to how many you need to make, well that depends on how much you want to earn. Most of the big sites limit you to one submission a day, so one site a day is a good target to aim for. But if this is in addition to TGP galleries, you may not have enough time to do that until you have a goodly number of templates created.



I have posted these links before, but as you are new:
Other ways to get traffic: http://www.free-internet-porn.com/we...-traffic.shtml

Getting good search engine traffic: http://www.free-internet-porn.com/we...-engines.shtml

Tool for posting to search engines: http://www.free-internet-porn.com/we...ine-post.shtml

However do be aware that site has not been updated in a couple of years, and if you go to the main index (http://www.free-internet-porn.com/we...s/content.html) you are going to find a few things are out of date (for example it talks about getting a TGP on a free host listed on link lists, which was fine when the article was written, but nowadays most link lists won't list sites on free hosts).



Then I suggest you learn. It will take you a weekend to learn HTML and if you are writing your code yourself you will find you can do a lot more and make a lot more money if you know HTML.

And although you don't need to know any type of CGI programming for free sites and TGP galleries, you will do if you want to go even further. So if you have time I suggest you also learn Perl. It will take you a weekend to learn the basics, but several weekends to learn as much as you need to know to write really good CGI programs.

Great infos! Thanks a lot!

[Beaver Bob]

free sites convert better for me than galleries do, it just takes a little longer, its not as fast.

[juggernaut]

I have to say I was amazed when I first started with freesites. I was only pushing my own site and thought that freesites were crazy to do over galleries. I could not believe that someone looking for free porn would take a free site over a gallery. Lets face it, 2 or 3 clicks to get the free porn (i thought) would be a set back.
I ran a test. I made some FS and some Gals. 99% of my site's sign ups came from the FS. Then I read someplace that people who surf FS are more seasoned and more picky. Don't know how true that is, but either way FS work better for me.

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by PornFact

- Also, can I do this without any knowledge of SEO or even programming skills to improve my SE ranking?

To learn and ask questions about SEO be sure to check out Bill's SE chat Search Engine Chat

Every Wednesday at 11:00pm EST

To connect using your favorite IRC client, simply use the following information:
irc.greenguysboard.com
#greenguyandjim
port: 6667

[webgurl]

That reminds me .... I haven't done the free site thing in almost
3 years I would like to try it again .
My chances of being listed is going to be very slim now

[AdorableAudrey]

Hmmm, I am kind of surprised the only alternative to galleries being discussed here is freesites. Don't forget blogs, review sites, link hubs, there are tons of different things to do to promote.

Heck, I was out pimping myself with trading cards for my site all weekend! (Though, I don't know how well that would work for affiliate marketers vs. solo webgirls... hehehe)

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by AdorableAudrey

Hmmm, I am kind of surprised the only alternative to galleries being discussed here is freesites. Don't forget blogs, review sites, link hubs, there are tons of different things to do to promote.

Heck, I was out pimping myself with trading cards for my site all weekend! (Though, I don't know how well that would work for affiliate marketers vs. solo webgirls... hehehe)

Good points.

Also, you can join toplists, banner exchanges, try your hand at PPC?
You could advertise your url on tangible products and give them away free, although I've never tried this.

[PornFact]

Originally Posted by AdorableAudrey

Hmmm, I am kind of surprised the only alternative to galleries being discussed here is freesites. Don't forget blogs, review sites, link hubs, there are tons of different things to do to promote.

Heck, I was out pimping myself with trading cards for my site all weekend! (Though, I don't know how well that would work for affiliate marketers vs. solo webgirls... hehehe)

I really love to try different ways of marketing but my prob is that I don't have any knowledge in programming and don't know how to start those sites.

Are there any site that offers guides to develop these sites?? What knowledge should be needed, $ needed, skills, etc..

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by PornFact

I really love to try different ways of marketing but my prob is that I don't have any knowledge in programming and don't know how to start those sites.

Are there any site that offers guides to develop these sites?? What knowledge should be needed, $ needed, skills, etc..

ok, here is another very good place to ask questions and learn stuff....

On The Bench With MrMaryLou
New Server Information..
Come on folks come and shoot the breeze with MrMaryLou at Greenguy and Jims On The Bench MrMaryLou every Saturday at 3PM EDT. Find out what's going on in the wonderful world of webmastering.

To connect using your favorite IRC client, simply use the following information:
irc.greenguysboard.com
#greenguyandjim
port: 6667
Or, just use our Java Chat Here To Listen:
Just Click Here (or Copy & Paste this URL - http://radio.greenguysboard.com:8000/ggaj - into your media player)

[SmithsMedia]

Originally Posted by PornFact

I really love to try different ways of marketing but my prob is that I don't have any knowledge in programming and don't know how to start those sites.

Are there any site that offers guides to develop these sites?? What knowledge should be needed, $ needed, skills, etc..

Yahoo 360 is a good way to see if you are any good at blogging, the way the service pans out you can create a niche site and get linked into other peoples profiles dead easy.

What a free site has over a gallery is its 'life span' old free sites still get hits and convert where as my galleries just burn out.