partnership with established company

[TightTeela]

would you consider joining a established program? is there companies that do this, ie, accept sites to join? and what would be the main pro's and con's. debating this with a friend and wouldnt mind hearing some opinions. thanks

[TightTeela]

to start with we got - with a established company, possiblty more sales but downside being less control, trust issues. or this view, with an established company or partner, more more gets done with more people with downside of more people involved, more chance of hassles and smaller percentages.

[Ramster]

You mean you want to bring your personal paysite to a program rather than keep running it yourself?

I think it is a good idea most times. If it is a good sized program and you later on offer hosted galleries then many webmasters will add your galleries right away bringing you in sales. Sometimes a lot and sometimes not many but it is better than trying to get webmasters to join your program/revshare via ccbill. One thing is NEVER transfer the domain to their control. (Yes you will likely have them shown as the registered owner of the domain but you can still control and own it). As far as work goes I'm not sure that matters unless you become a partner in that program. Otherwise you just run your site like normal and they have it in their program taking a small cut from you for doing so.

If you are talking about partnering up with someone to help you run your paysite or open a program? Bad idea IMO. Joining an established program is always best.

EDIT: You have a nice site so I'm sure with some promotion it will do well.

[TightTeela]

thanks for the feed back, anyone else?

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by TightTeela

thanks for the feed back, anyone else?

Make sure you know who you are doing business with in depth before you comitt. You might find that you shold yourself short.

Ive been on both sides of this equation and its a tough business move but great if they are trustworthy.

MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CONTRACT!

[spookyx]

You could also consider hiring someone to help promote your site, build hosted freesites and such, Hosted freesites would get you some good affiliates from this board, if they were done well.

[Tommy]

in my experience

partners are bad
at first everyone always seems into it and everyone has great intentions

but after a little bit of time people get in to other projects and Everyone seems to think that what they do is more valuable then everyone else
(myself included)

the little bickering starts and everything slowly goes down hill

your a bit new so I would go very slowly

anyway in a few weeks/months your gonna have a whole entourage of male webmasters willing to jump anytime you pick up the phone and drop the slightest hint of a blow job at a very far off distant convention :-)

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Tommy

anyway in a few weeks/months your gonna have a whole entourage of male webmasters willing to jump anytime you pick up the phone and drop the slightest hint of a blow job at a very far off distant convention :-)

LOL! That Long?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Tommy

in my experience

partners are bad
at first everyone always seems into it and everyone has great intentions....

Not exactly the scenario here - I think she's looking to have her site promoted via an existing established affailiate program.

[Tommy]

well I had noticed that she said more gets done

and she has posted in other threads about her time issues with keeping up her career at walmart


I mean if she works the boards a bit and is flirty and personable I am sure she could get a lot of affiliates

anyway at the moment she has no banners of hosted gallerys or sites
so what good would it do to join an established affiliate program

they aren't gonna make the ad materials for her
so i assumed she is talking about a partner

[Useless]

Partnerships are more likely to go sour than not. If it was purchased content, it would be worth the risk. But since your site is all pics and movies of YOU being the nasty little thing that you are - don't give up control to anyone else. Stay independent, ask questions and get as much help as you can get here. You'd be amazed how much people are willing to do for free to help webmasters that they like and trust. In the mean time, flirt with Tommy and get him to send you the $750 for Visa.

[Tommy]

Umm.........

Tommy is Happily married and his wife reads this board once in a while

I am trying to get her to let me go hang out with greenie for a couple of days so ......I gotta be good for awhile

[T Pat]

I really doubt Raven Riley’s site would have done over a million dollars in the first year if she had gone it alone.
KatVixen, Ramster and SirMoby have all chosen to put their pay sites under an established affiliate program.
I was going to put my baby (tijuana-whores) under an established affiliate program but the processor didn’t like me promoting hookers, So I’ll leave it alone and start a new Latina site that will get approved.

To me it’s simple math, I would be lucky to get 100 webmasters to promote my site by myself, where an established affiliate program will already have many times that many webmasters ready to promote it.

With no Videos I feel $20 is a fair price, subtract processing fees of roughly 15% I clear $17 per sale, if I were splitting sales with affiliates we would make $8.50 each.

Going with the established program I’ve chosen I get to add videos as part of the deal making my new site worth $30 for a membership, so I’ll make $21 for each sale I do (15% for the affiliate program and 15% for the billing company) the split with an affiliate will be $12.75 for the affiliate $8.25 for me.

Seems like a No Brainer to me

[Useless]

Originally Posted by T Pat

I really doubt Raven Riley’s site would have done over a million dollars in the first year if she had gone it alone.

I believe she was discovered and recruited - never on her own as far as I know. I wouldn't hazard to use her unique success story as a comparison of what the average personality site will earn. Sabby van Whats-her-name, a somewhat established name, didn't turn out so well.

Frankly, if I was to invest in a paysite right now, I wouldn't even bother with affiliate webmasters.

[walrus]

T Pat, I agree with everything you said...except "Seems like a No Brainer to me". I think there is a lot of value in understanding how to market your site before you join in with an established affiliate program. Otherwise how can you really evaluate if that program can best promote your program the way you want it to be promoted.

Second, if you do know the marketing aspect of the game and things do go wrong with the established program and you decide to take control back, you will have a loyal base of affiliates to help deflect the negative publicity that always accompanies such breakups.

I know it's a lot of damn work, but in the long run I think your much better off understanding the ins and outs of the business before turning marketing control over to somebody else.

[TightTeela]

tommy, you can send that 750 anytime. and yeah i mentioned wal-mart, its motivation for me to know what im going back to if i dont bust my ass at this, so any and all options go thru my head constantly and it helps to hear others thoughts.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by TightTeela

tommy, you can send that 750 anytime. and yeah i mentioned wal-mart, its motivation for me to know what im going back to if i dont bust my ass at this, so any and all options go thru my head constantly and it helps to hear others thoughts.

What part of the country are you in?


I think shes being quite realistic about all of this.

[TightTeela]

vancouver canada

[TightTeela]

as for serious, ya, this site is our focus. its just me and my friend doing all the work here, we are in over our head (in a good way) under-funded (but its not stopping us) rewarding and a learning experience as well as being a fun project to work on. and we've gone from using the computer to flirt on msn and rts games to putting a site together. not bad for a wal-mart employee and a production assistant.

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by TightTeela

tommy, you can send that 750 anytime. and yeah i mentioned wal-mart, its motivation for me to know what im going back to if i dont bust my ass at this, so any and all options go thru my head constantly and it helps to hear others thoughts.

I almost have your same problem. My wife wants me to build up her site blah blah I'm sure you can figure out the story. I have explained to her the problems with putting up a site and then building/buying the promo and then getting WM to join the program etc. She has mentioned about joining a program and to be honest I don't trust many people and would have a really really hard time signing with one. I think for a single girl site it is a really good idea for the amount of WM you will get to promo you. But like it was said here before, you will be the one who will have to build/buy the promo material and I get the impression that that is one of the hard things you are running into. IE finding the time to suck cock while the pics are being taken and make freesites afterwards is a pain. Then you have videos, shit everyone knows you just can't toss them up. You need to edit them etc. That's even more time. I don't think a program is going to do all that for you. Have you thought about cam shows? My wife does very very well with them. She works her ass off (no pun intended) but when I look at the ROI when it comes to time. Working for a camsite is the way to go. Sit back and let the hard-ons come to you. Let the large sites get you the horny fuckers. I can tell you this, you are a good looking young lady and after your 1st couple of paychecks the only time you would enter Wal-Mart is to pick up cheep clothes that you can cut up and make sexy for your shows.

[Tommy]

Teela everybody started under funded and the money situation can change pretty quickly

when I started I was an elevator mechanic.
I think the webmasters that have/had hard jobs do better because they are more motivated

what is that foreign processor that uses that ticket thing
thats free, and you could take visa

If I was you I would stay independent for a while you have a lot of options, you just dont know about them

but the visa thing should be your first concern

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Tommy

Teela everybody started under funded and the money situation can change pretty quickly

when I started I was an elevator mechanic.
I think the webmasters that have/had hard jobs do better because they are more motivated

what is that foreign processor that uses that ticket thing
thats free, and you could take visa

If I was you I would stay independent for a while you have a lot of options, you just dont know about them

but the visa thing should be your first concern

These are good pieces of advice.
She is determined and I think that is her biggest asset.

[digifan]

Tommy,

I think you mean those tokens, right?

Teela,

hit up Moraxian who's using them and tell him digifan sent you, he'll be more than pleased to help you. One of his sites as a sample where he's using them, you find his latest info here too.

http://www.bondagetokens.com/models....9&ModelID=1971

[digifan]

Hm on the left I found this info on tokens for you,
http://www.bondagetokens.com/MenuShe...#WhatAreTokens

hope this helps

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Tommy

what is that foreign processor that uses that ticket thing
thats free, and you could take visa

Verotel's TicketsClub