partnership with established company

[Toby]

Teela, since you don't know me from Adam let me preface my advice by letting you know where I'm coming from. I promote mostly solo girl sites, primarily amateurs like yourself, the majority of them using CCBill. CCBill programs are two-thirds of my income.

If you're going to be using CCBill to administer your affiliate program then I highly recommend holding back on launching that part of your site until you are able to pay the fee and accept Visa via CCBill. You only get one shot at a first impression, and if you launch a CCBill affiliate program without being able to accept Visa, most experienced webmasters will not join and most likely won't check your program again.

My advice is to wait until you can accept Visa thru CCBill then launch your affiliate program. That will also give you time to build up content in your member area, which will help your retention, and to build promo materials so when you do launch your affiliate program you have more than just a handful of hosted galleries and zipped image sets.

One other piece of advice. As a solo teen site you are in a highly saturated, extremely competitive market. Having something that makes you or your site stand out just a bit from the crowd would be a big boost to your site.

[Chop Smith]

Being from Canada might present a problem with her getting Visa approval. There has been some discussion about this on the board. Maybe Ramster or Emma can fill in the details,

Does anyone promote a sponsor thru Verotel's TicketsClub?

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

Being from Canada might present a problem with her getting Visa approval. There has been some discussion about this on the board. Maybe Ramster or Emma can fill in the details,

Does anyone promote a sponsor thru Verotel's TicketsClub?

I tried promoting one sponsor/site just recently (www.deepsabrina.com), hmmm... I get a "Cannot find server" for that site at the moment, LOL
I personally find the webmaster admin at Verotel pretty poor. Maybe one day when I make a sale it will show up with lots of detailed stats

[TightTeela]

thanks for all the advice, i havent heard of the token thing, but i did hear of verotel now somethings telling me it was negative feedback tho, and i am canadian so i know that limits the options, but i did incorporate in nevada, so hopefully theres a way to work things out.

[emmanuelle]

As a Canadian, you do face certain challenges that have not really been covered here. In order to accept Visa, you will need to have a US principal on your company- that means trusting someone enough to hand over COMPLETE access to your livlihood, as they alone hold the reins to your billing account. If you do not personally hold the documents required, you are just as vulnerable as you would be working with an established program.

The concerns mentioned are indeed valid, however all contracts are negotiable. Many programs will not send their traffic to a domain they do not own, so it might be wise to run your site with two domains. One for the program to use, and one for your own promotional efforts. You can work out different terms based on the source of traffic. For example- the traffic that you personally send might pay you a higher split than that sent by your partners.

Working with an established company will not only give you access to visa and a pool of affiliates, but it will also cushion you from many of the issues that face new sites- high bandwidth bills, goofy mistakes that can ruin your reputation in about 10 minutes, while offering you experienced guidance while you work out the kinks.

If you do go this route- seek out a program that is used to dealing with genuine amateurs. They will have experience with personality-based sites, and have the infrastructure in place to get you going immediately. You might also want to seek out a Canadian company, so that if you do have a valid disagreement, you are able to pursue it in Canadian courts rather than dealing cross-border.

Good luck with your ventures!

[T Pat]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I believe she was discovered and recruited - never on her own as far as I know. I wouldn't hazard to use her unique success story as a comparison of what the average personality site will earn. Sabby van Whats-her-name, a somewhat established name, didn't turn out so well.

Frankly, if I was to invest in a paysite right now, I wouldn't even bother with affiliate webmasters.

I pretty much thought I was immune to naked girls on the net until Raven Riley, Teela had the same effect on me, it must be the innocent look they both have, I just know it makes me feel like a perverted old man to look at their pictures, yet I want to look. Sabby van Whats-her-name is just another naked girl.

I find it odd that you make your living as an Affiliate Webmaster but wouldn’t bother with Affiliates if you had a new pay site, are there many super successful sites with no Affiliates?

Originally Posted by walrus

T Pat, I agree with everything you said...except "Seems like a No Brainer to me". I think there is a lot of value in understanding how to market your site before you join in with an established affiliate program. Otherwise how can you really evaluate if that program can best promote your program the way you want it to be promoted.

Second, if you do know the marketing aspect of the game and things do go wrong with the established program and you decide to take control back, you will have a loyal base of affiliates to help deflect the negative publicity that always accompanies such breakups.

I know it's a lot of damn work, but in the long run I think your much better off understanding the ins and outs of the business before turning marketing control over to somebody else.

I learned that Teela has a mentor so she should be ok, I would hate to see anyone make as many fuckups as I did when starting out (off the top of my head examples below)
I bought a domain name with Tijuana misspelled
I used a hosting company that sucked
I paid about three times more than I needed to for a shitty camera
I bought guaranteed traffic (millions of hits from Chinese Surfers = 0 sales)
I paid for SE optimization and submissions
After all that I decided the reason I still hadn’t made a sale was because I had a shitty design so I paid a mainstream guy to redesign my adult site.
Made a few sales, then the billing company I was using went out of business

Things slowly turned around when I found GGandJ and decided it was going to be the only place I got advice from, Surfin and Mr.MarryLou kind of took me under their wings and it finale sunk in, I got the cart ahead of the horse, I would have been way ahead of the game if I had learned webmaster basics like HTML and traffic generation first. Being to pig headed to give up I kept on keeping on. Looking back on my experience I would have made more money if I had found an established program to take me under their umbrella while I learned what the hell I was doing.

Originally Posted by Fonz

I tried promoting one sponsor/site just recently (www.deepsabrina.com), hmmm... I get a "Cannot find server" for that site at the moment, LOL
I personally find the webmaster admin at Verotel pretty poor. Maybe one day when I make a sale it will show up with lots of detailed stats

I’ve been using Verotel for years get paid every Monday, I like their stats more than CCBills and have never set up an affiliate program with them because most webmasters don’t like them and I don’t know why.

I transferred my site to a girl in Mexico when 2257 came down and then decided I had over reacted and transferred it back to me, so I’m sure Verotel doesn’t have a problem with Canadians but like I said the majority of webmasters don’t seem to care for them.

[mariah]

Email Camz Dan
He is reputable and has traffic and a brand new kick ass program camzcash
Hell, Im in with him and he is allowing me to keep my existing site! howw much more fair could it get. he has done the right thing with me since the beginning, through all the BS with his partnership to right now. I can't say enough about how fair I have been treated and if someone does the right thing, what more can you ask for?

Camz Dan is a good person to contact, seriously. See what he says
dan@camz.com

[mariah]

oh, Verotel is a good choice for a secondary processor, but that ticketclub shit turns a lot of people off.
get someone to set you up with a subaccount for a 10% split until you make the $$ to pay the visa deposit. thats what i did and I dont regret it at all.
You'll make $$ if you get with the right people and listen to those that have been successful.
Don't give up. just when you think it never gets better, you'll start getting 20 sales a day out of nowhere.
good luck!

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by Toby

Teela, since you don't know me from Adam let me preface my advice by letting you know where I'm coming from. I promote mostly solo girl sites, primarily amateurs like yourself, the majority of them using CCBill. CCBill programs are two-thirds of my income.

If you're going to be using CCBill to administer your affiliate program then I highly recommend holding back on launching that part of your site until you are able to pay the fee and accept Visa via CCBill. You only get one shot at a first impression, and if you launch a CCBill affiliate program without being able to accept Visa, most experienced webmasters will not join and most likely won't check your program again.

My advice is to wait until you can accept Visa thru CCBill then launch your affiliate program. That will also give you time to build up content in your member area, which will help your retention, and to build promo materials so when you do launch your affiliate program you have more than just a handful of hosted galleries and zipped image sets.

One other piece of advice. As a solo teen site you are in a highly saturated, extremely competitive market. Having something that makes you or your site stand out just a bit from the crowd would be a big boost to your site.

Best advice here so far IMO.

Stay at it yourselves! You can do it.

Don't partner up with anyone.

CONTENT IS KING!

If you have a well made site with good content you will get plenty of affiliates on your own.

All you need is the proper tools set up for them to work with.

Do you want a detailed list?

[jonnydoe]

fuck I need to go shopping at Wal Mart more often ;-)

[TightTeela]

t pat, we dont really have the mentor like you think, just someone who knows they can make money off the site. everything has been done by me and my partner, so hence looking for 'established' company etc, that knows they'll make a nice cut and so would we. but i do enjoy the challenge of doing things mostly on my own, altho ive asked you guys for help already, so we might just tough it out. tho please reply with feedback, or you know a good deal, and yeah next step is visa processing.

[XXXPhoto]

Originally Posted by mariah

Email Camz Dan
He is reputable and has traffic and a brand new kick ass program camzcash
Hell, Im in with him and he is allowing me to keep my existing site! howw much more fair could it get. he has done the right thing with me since the beginning, through all the BS with his partnership to right now. I can't say enough about how fair I have been treated and if someone does the right thing, what more can you ask for?

Camz Dan is a good person to contact, seriously. See what he says
dan@camz.com

Mariah,

Was just mentioning this thread to Dan today... Actually her best bet would be to get in contact with Colette directly rather than Dan...

Teela,

You've been presented with many good suggestions and things to consider; if after weighing them you would like to also see what we have to offer I urge you to contact Colette directly at: colette@camzcash.com

Also suggest if possible you try to go to one of the webmaster shows; personal pick would be Phoenix Forum as that seems best bang for the buck for solo lady site getting opportunity for exposure. More closed environment than Vegas and that lends itself to easier networking...

Good luck with your site in the new year, looks like you are on the right track to success.

~Mark

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by TightTeela

t pat, we dont really have the mentor like you think, just someone who knows they can make money off the site. everything has been done by me and my partner, so hence looking for 'established' company etc, that knows they'll make a nice cut and so would we. but i do enjoy the challenge of doing things mostly on my own, altho ive asked you guys for help already, so we might just tough it out. tho please reply with feedback, or you know a good deal, and yeah next step is visa processing.

Honestly.

I would tough it out. Youll find in the long run that rushing to partner with someone for the 750 Visa fee might cost you in the long run.

How long have you had the site up and running?

[SaucyPanties]

I don't feel in a position to give any direct advice but my husband was reading this and he said to tell you that there is a very helpful guy called SGS on another UK message board (I won't mention it as I am not sure if this would be breaking any rules), his wife is Lady Sonia and they are a very successful husband and wife team.

[TightTeela]

gonzo, since early november, tho, some problems with things kept it down for awhile, glad to say as of yesterday or day before we tripled sign ups in december, so we do see we are on the right track. hopefully getting visa and promo stuff, will be the last snag for awhile. thanks again for all the tips and advice, and ya, we'd love to go to a show, hopefully springish next year. any other billing options besides verotel?

[Ramster]

From Canada as Emma said you cannot get processing. Getting someone from the US is one way. The other way is similar but going thru Europe. Again not easy but you can do it on your own without anyone but I have not done it. Mitch from NetBilling could likely set you up but again I haven't done it (Mitch told me he could do it for any Canadians).

Do NOT partner with someone just to get the site up and running. As already said it is better to wait. Actually you should not "Partner" with anyone. The only thing I would consider doing is adding your site under an existing program. Typically that program would take 30% of the money rather than the 15% ccbill takes. Typically. The only reason this is a good idea is if you have hosted galleries and materials that existing webmasters can add right away.

BV makes some good points. If you can wait it out and get processing them do it.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by TightTeela

gonzo, since early november, tho, some problems with things kept it down for awhile, glad to say as of yesterday or day before we tripled sign ups in december, so we do see we are on the right track. hopefully getting visa and promo stuff, will be the last snag for awhile. thanks again for all the tips and advice, and ya, we'd love to go to a show, hopefully springish next year. any other billing options besides verotel?

Youve come a long way to have started in November.

I stand by my original statement. I think you have to learn what works and make a few minor mistakes early on to figure out what to avoid.

A famous Penthouse photographer made the mistake of oursourcing his site to someone in this business.

Seveal years and several thousands of dollars later he found out that this person was full of shit. Not only where his design skill poor but he infrequently updated this site and the corker .... he had set up a CCBill account that allow him to divert signups to his own pocket.

In other words the photographer was getting ripped off big time!

This happened because of his limited knowledge in this field and the fact that there are more thieving fucks in this business than you could possibily imagine.

Im sure if asked this thief would tell you he was teaching the photographer a lesson and how it was a cheap lesson.

Hang in there. I think your on the right track.
Billing options... would you believe I used to have people mail me checks?

[juggernaut]

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

[XXXPhoto]

Now now... Robert from SilverCash helps those young guys every day... then again, that might be a blowjob thing too... lol

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

Yep, dogs will sure run a bitch in heat.

Yep, both males and females will whore for personal gain.

Any gays here? Perhaps, some young guy asking for help will get two pages of replies.

Just to make sure! Any of you guys that I gave code to in the past, you don't owe me a blow job. Any of the gals can give the rewarding blow jobs to TPat or UW. A 'thank you' and seeing someone succeed is good enough for me.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

I responded simply because I saw how far she has already gotten on her own.

Your theory would hold up better at the Zoo.

If Im trolling for a blowjob at the show. . .
I dont respond to board threads - I just break out that fur coat.

PS - Dont worry you dont owe me a blow job for this response either.

[T Pat]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

wow now timeout Jugg I remember a whole bunch of PM's going back and forth between the two of us a year or so ago and I never even hinted that I wanted a blow job from you or your wife as a reward

I have had girls besides my wife give me blowjobs with her blessings but that was for content and there's no way I could ever pass Teela off as a Mexican

[juggernaut]

Come on now guys. lol I just thought it was funny and in fact I think it's cool cause this tread has a ton of good info in it. Hey I responded to, shit I responded to 2 posts. Not that I was looking for a BJ, just honestly thought I could help and I know most feel the same way. And yes I am still there with needing help. In fact T-pat is a great help to me an is the reason I bought some of my domains that now bring me steady traffic. NO T-PAT no blow job for you from me or the wife lol.

[TightTeela]

strickly oral, no ass tapping

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by TightTeela

strickly oral, no ass tapping

TT reminds me of an old WM joke:

Q: How do you know when you're truly an adult webmaster?
A: When you see a pretty girl and your first thought is "I wonder how well she'll convert?"

Seriously though alot of good info here but I'd add to some of the contrary points.

For example Raven Riley, besides being sexy as hell, blewup like she did becasue of brilliant, constant marketing and tons of promo options by JayMan.

I think TT needs to assess what she wants to be. If she wants to be a star signing autographs she's gonna have to partner up and do it smartly and quick while she's fresh. Do what you know and what is relatively easy... making porn. Leave the tech and biz bullshit to the pros (defined as someone/company already making sig $$$). Always own everythig that is you. License it, don't sell it.... even to your own company.

If you want to just make some mad money and have some fun and see what happens then like what was said you have to at least get chargecard processing (hell I'll give the $750 for a piece of the action whithout thought ),ccbill, tons of galleries and banners and go to work 85 hours a week (you gotta promote) run your site, and make porn, probably work on member interaction, and deal with bitchy affiliates. Either way you need a partner or employee (s) or sub-contractors to take some of the slack off. Maybe that's traffic development or site design. Constant tweaking shit everywhere. Oh yeah, you've gotta have investment money to front end.

A lot about porn seems to be about "fresh". You have it. I think you should continue to build your own traffic and memberships AND be contacting some of the solo girl programs to develop their interest. Use your present numbers to project future earnings, understand the math and begin some negotiations. It may take you a year to cut a deal or pick the sponsor you like. Invite offers to join a program now, there's a lot of solo girl aggregates out there. I'd be surprised if you haven't already received several PM's. Final advice, have a great lawyer, or a bad one that will do what you tell them.