DAYUM it's getting harder and harder to find decent linklists that actually review

[Bill]

Originally Posted by JK

Maybe you can. If there were more people submitting decent sites, I probably would. I can count on one hand the number of decent submitters GPL has.

I'm all for anything that increases the amount of quality submits.

Well, that raises a related an equally important question, which is, do we need to create new models for what constitutes a quality submit these days?

Building freesites is a cost-benefit struggle. The more work you put in, the more variations you experiment with, the more experiments you try, the greater the risk of losing money on the freesite.

So there are market forces that pressure builders to create a certain "just average and not one second better" level of site.

And nowadays return on investment for freesites is so damn low that the market forces pushing for mediocrity seem even stronger.

BUT, we don't have a shared idea of how to make freesites better in a way that also allows them to make a profit.

And frankly builders have been intimidated by prick reviewers, so theres no emotional incentive to try to build anything new and prettier and juicier.

Another problem to solve - actually they are a perfect pair of problems, builders and listers need to evolve and experiment together.

[Nymph]

Bill, I own 3 LL myself, and review daily. If for some reason I will be away from the PC for a few days, I put a notice on the submit page, but usually catch up on all submits within a weeks time. Links are in my sig.

I also am doing the reviews for Licker4U's LL while he is in Afghanistan. I run those like I do my own sites.

Best Wet Pussy http://www.best-wet-pussy.com

Girls That Squirt http://www.girls-that-squirt.com

Hairy Pussy Links http://www.hairy-pussy-links.com

[abatis]

good thread. i think i get a lot of value just by being listed on a list that has been around for awhile...high traffic or not, its a good linktrade. which is my main desire is good se ranking. i always considered the linklist traffic to be feeder traffic to get my freesite off the ground, so to speak. but maybe im wrong who knows. thats just the way i always looked at it. so good old linklist that actually gets the site updated is ok in my book, i never expect too many hits. obviously we need traffic flow for the system to work but....

as for the revolution of freesite/linklist biz model!!! i like it, whats the plan?
although, i also think that nobody works as hard at it as we used to. whenever i put a good amount of solid focus onto freesites they seem to still do very well.

-abatis

[Bill]

Originally Posted by abatis

as for the revolution of freesite/linklist biz model!!! i like it, whats the plan?

Well, I figure we start out with an increased partnership between a certain clan of builders and a group of middle-to-middle-lower level linklists.

The middle-to-middle-lower has a bit more freedom to experiment than the big linklists - wether we like it or not, we're all to some degree dependent on their (the big guys) specific positions and structures, so we A. dont want to fuck with them in a way that might cause traffic losses, and B. have to be aware that if they experiment we pretty much have to follow along, and if they don't, we also have to follow along.

So, we talk up partnership and see who salutes.

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Then I figure we have to experiment. The current "blog" stuff is an example of the type of experiment. We have to figure out some ways to mix up the linking patterns, because predictable repeated linking patterns have been a part of the downfall.

I figure we start by making and linking things that look and act differently than the "freesite".

If we can figure out how to do it in a way that doesn't suck.

[LB]

I only submit my blogs to 3 ll's now. Rest either send nothing, or the rules don't suit me. A LL needs to build a case for why it deserves my submission, because in the long run I will probably be sending them more traffic than they send me.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by LB

I only submit my blogs to 3 ll's now. Rest either send nothing, or the rules don't suit me. A LL needs to build a case for why it deserves my submission, because in the long run I will probably be sending them more traffic than they send me.

Huh, also curious.

I was watching the trend of subbing blogs to about 3 dozen lists and directories. I hadn't started to do that with my blogs, and was a bit surprized when someone in another community declined to link with me because I didn't do that, altho my blog was way older and had more posts and more real posts.

I kinda thought everyone was just subbing the hell out of blogs these days, with what I thought was a possibly dubious sense of its search engine value.

[LB]

Originally Posted by Bill

Huh, also curious.

I was watching the trend of subbing blogs to about 3 dozen lists and directories. I hadn't started to do that with my blogs, and was a bit surprized when someone in another community declined to link with me because I didn't do that, altho my blog was way older and had more posts and more real posts.

I kinda thought everyone was just subbing the hell out of blogs these days, with what I thought was a possibly dubious sense of its search engine value.

Declined to link with you because you didn't submit your blogs to LL's or did I misunderstand you?

I am often surprised by people who don't want to link with a blog, because they get a nice juicy front page link on a TLD, and if using wordpress 90% of the SEO is already done for you.. so its a good solid site. They are the types of links i would be chasing if it were me

[Bill]

Originally Posted by LB

Declined to link with you because you didn't submit your blogs to LL's or did I misunderstand you?

I am often surprised by people who don't want to link with a blog, because they get a nice juicy front page link on a TLD, and if using wordpress 90% of the SEO is already done for you.. so its a good solid site. They are the types of links i would be chasing if it were me

Exactly. They said I wouldn't have any traffic cuz i didn't have the same 30+ links to lists they had. And suggested I sub this 5 year old blog to have traffic worth linking too, and then they might link. Nice keyword matching in the names too. Such is life.

To be fair to them, it's not like it was a blog with big traffic. I suck at blogging.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Bill

Exactly. They said I wouldn't have any traffic cuz i didn't have the same 30+ links to lists they had. And suggested I sub this 5 year old blog to have traffic worth linking too, and then they might link. Nice keyword matching in the names too. Such is life.

To be fair to them, it's not like it was a blog with big traffic. I suck at blogging.

Sounds like you had a lucky escape Bill. Pointless subbing a blog with a nice root link to a bunch of directories where you get buried on domain.com/category/page1234567.html, no matter how much the initial burst of traffic.

[JackDaniel's]

I'd be happy to list your sites

[nekrom]

On the topic of LL's and lols. I got a rejection email the other day of a Free Site I submitted back in 2008, nice of him to let me know.

-N

[ponygirl]

I still have an active LL, although I'm a little behind on reviews right now for personal reasons. I try to keep up to date and have a group of good regular submitters. Don't know how much traffic is sent, probably not much, but it's still live if that's the main criteria

[Mike-mijen]

Just a question on submitting. I am trying to clean up the look of my index pages by using just a one line text recip. Not the usual 2 line (LLs main index and the a Cat. link.) Do you all feel that a good thing or bad thing?

Damn Just saw my post count "666"

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Mike-mijen

Just a question on submitting. I am trying to clean up the look of my index pages by using just a one line text recip. Not the usual 2 line (LLs main index and the a Cat. link.) Do you all feel that a good thing or bad thing?

I switched my LL to single line one url recips sometime ago.

I think the old recips look so nineties now.

[Mike-mijen]

Thats what I was thinking. And it makes the page look very clean.

[Mr Spock]

When i get some time I am going to clean up all my recips , just a single link and any LL that don't accept it I will cut from my submit - All the guys that send me good traffic from LL accept it anyway , except for PB and they send me less traffic than the others anyway.

I reckon its a good move

[JustRobert]

I switched a year ago to single text link for my LL as well and I don't care if there is 6 recips or 30. Looks far cleaner with 30 single line recips then it does with 15 double link recips.

Being a middle to low list I don't mind experimentation from quality submitters.

If anyone is on Greenguy's trusted list let me know and I can give ya my partner submit page which allows just about anything. Submit picpost, gallery, blog, avs, freesite or ?? As long as there is content and it's easy to find then its usually good to go.

[pc]

I'd like to think that my clitpass.com is somewhere in middle to low list too. I just checked listed links for last 7 days and some got more than 10 hits, but some got 1, 2 or 0.
It's a PARTNER LL and sites are listed without reviewing but I check them once in a while.
Bill you are welcome at my place anytime. Apply for account link is on webmaster page. Rules are pretty much the same as everywhere else, I'm not picky as long as the submitters are fair.
As to generating traffic, I myself try to build free sites and galleries to, but lately I come from work to late to be able to build something.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Bill

Private Holes hasn't reviewed since april 2 and from his list of "new" sites it feels like he's tossing a lot of sites and mostly listing his own. suspected vampire, I'd say

yeah am at least one month behind. To much other stuff going on the last couple months, GF troubles, moving, university studies, work, it goes on and on.
In return for waiting in subque for 2 months sites are listed as new for at least 4 months if not longer.
....I don't mostly list my own, I list my trusted submitters + a couple of fhs.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Danny

yeah am at least one month behind. To much other stuff going on the last couple months, GF troubles, moving, university studies, work, it goes on and on.
In return for waiting in subque for 2 months sites are listed as new for at least 4 months if not longer.
....I don't mostly list my own, I list my trusted submitters + a couple of fhs.

Okay then, Private Holes is NOT a suspected vampire, just behind on reviews.

And I do recognize that many lists which could be called vampires are really just neglected (and for good reasons arguably, considering the downturn).

Being a small linklist owner and reviewer can be a sucky and thankless position.

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So, how come everybody doesn't switch to autoapprove with trusted submitter accounts?

What scripts can handle autoapprove with partner accounts these days anyways?

[JustRobert]

Originally Posted by Bill

Being a small linklist owner and reviewer can be a sucky and thankless position.

So very true!

So, how come everybody doesn't switch to autoapprove with trusted submitter accounts?

What scripts can handle autoapprove with partner accounts these days anyways?

I have a trusted page that can be set to auto (custom script) but I still like taking a quick peak to make sure someone did not make a mistake. I have had the description in the url section and url in the email area.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Bill

So, how come everybody doesn't switch to autoapprove with trusted submitter accounts?

What scripts can handle autoapprove with partner accounts these days anyways?

I envy LL's with scripts, but I like the look of mine, and it's done by hand. If there was a way to keep the design and have it run by a script I'd switch in a minute.
Auto-approve would be cool with me as well since that's basically what I'm doing now for my partners, a script would save me close to an hour a day.

[JK]

Originally Posted by Bill

So, how come everybody doesn't switch to autoapprove with trusted submitter accounts?

What scripts can handle autoapprove with partner accounts these days anyways?

This is a good idea. I'm sure most scripts would accommodate this feature if you dig around the code a little. I'll have a look today to see if I can get it done with LinkAdmin.

[JustRobert]

Originally Posted by JK

This is a good idea. I'm sure most scripts would accommodate this feature if you dig around the code a little. I'll have a look today to see if I can get it done with LinkAdmin.

Noticed your new submit page this morning JK

[JackDaniel's]

Originally Posted by Bill

So, how come everybody doesn't switch to autoapprove with trusted submitter accounts?

I have