New link list: adultlinkweb.com

[RamCharger]

This one has some very unique differences that set it apart from the rest. The main difference is that to sign up for it you apply via the TTT webmaster link at adultpicweb.com What happens next is that (when your site is approved) a piece of software that I developed dumps the TTT MySql tables into a XML file then creates a standard XHTML file (the main page) using XSL stylesheets at adultlinkweb.com with your link in it. The XML file is also used by the search.php file for users to search by niche, name, and description (this is done via an XPath query and more XSL stylesheets).

The important thing is what's in it for everyone: being on the list at adultlinkweb.com guarantees that you get traffic from adultpicweb.com (courtesy of TTT). There's no requirement to push traffic to adultpicweb, but, of course, if you do you will see more come back in return. No reciprocal link to either site is required.

Please bear with the rough format of adultlinkweb.com There are a lot of features in the queue that I'm going to be implementing and I'm a software engineer not a graphics designer so the look is going to take a while for me to flesh out. However, if anyone has any ideas they would like to see implemented I am very much open to suggestions (email me or PM me here). Eventually I'm hoping to develop this software into a full fledged package that I'm going to sell, but I'm hampered by my day job and time constraints from moving quick on this.

[Greenguy]

[Useless]

You're linking to free sites with Turbo Traffic Trader, a circle-jerk script?

[Mr Exotic]

So are you returning traffic to free sites based on how many hits they send you back? Or is that just for other link lists, and your gonna be skimming traffic like tgps from your free sites listings to send to you link list trades? Or are you gonna be doing both skimming from free sites and sending traffic to free sites and link lists based on traffic sent?

I am doing free sites and a link list to get away from the whole traffic swap, skim, gallery, whatever you wanna call it bs that goes along with TGPs. But I guess to each his own Good luck with it.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Mr Exotic

So are you returning traffic to free sites based on how many hits they send you back? Or is that just for other link lists, and your gonna be skimming traffic like tgps from your free sites listings to send to you link list trades? Or are you gonna be doing both skimming from free sites and sending traffic to free sites and link lists based on traffic sent?

I am doing free sites and a link list to get away from the whole traffic swap, skim, gallery, whatever you wanna call it bs that goes along with TGPs. But I guess to each his own Good luck with it.

Let me try to clarify what's going on:

AdultLinkWeb.com provides you with a hard link (standard direct href, no gimmics)

AdultPicWeb.com provides you with trafic via the standard TTT trading rules.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You're linking to free sites with Turbo Traffic Trader, a circle-jerk script?

No. See below posting. AdultLinkWeb.com = direct href, AdultPicWeb.com = traffic based on TTT rules.

The reason of all this is I'm using the TTT MySQL tables for records persistence. The db.xml that AdultLinkWeb.com works off is regenerated from these records every time I run a script to do so. MySQL isn't even touched by AdultLinkWeb's software after db.xml is generated.

The reasoning behind this is simple: the persistence layer is vendor agnostic. I currently have one script that generates db.xml based on TTT's db layout, but I could write another script to work with ePowerTrader or Arrow or something else entirely without breaking my templates or business rules (e.g. search.php, problem.php, etc). It's a fully modular system.

[Mr Exotic]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

The reasoning behind this is simple: the persistence layer is vendor agnostic.

My brain is less than simple I guess, I have no clue what that means, haha.

But I think I understand what is going on....maybe. Good luck with it.

[Useless]

I realize that you are a software engineer and not an experienced adult webmaster, but why not purchase a script either already developed for link lists or create one of your own (since that's your area of expertise)? Why base a link list off of a traffic trading script - which makes you immediately suspect?

Have you ever built any free sites or did you simply wake up one morning and decide to run a link list [of sorts]?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I realize that you are a software engineer and not an experienced adult webmaster, but why not purchase a script either already developed for link lists or create one of your own (since that's your area of expertise)? Why base a link list off of a traffic trading script - which makes you immediately suspect?

Have you ever built any free sites or did you simply wake up one morning and decide to run a link list [of sorts]?

Did you read my questions?

[RamCharger]

My package is a link list creator. It's not slaved to TTT for anything other than collecting entries from the TTT tables in the MySQL database.

A look at what happens:
1) You enter your site in to TTT
2) TTT takes information and stores it in MySQL
3) I run one script that I wrote which dumps the contents of the TTT MySQL tables into an XML file format that I developed (db.xml).
4) That information in db.xml is then merged with a style sheet that I wrote in XSL to generate a plain XHTML page (index.html) with plain links (href's).
5) db.xml is also used by search.php to do queries initiated by users (search by name, niche, or description).

As you can see my software is not truly reliant on TTT. By changing the logic of the one script that does the dump of the TTT MySQL tables I can change the software to use any data source (sleepycat db based datasource, Arrow MySQL tables, or anything else that I can dissect its data storage format and contents) as long as db.xml stays in the format that I developed. Since everything else (search.php, problem.php) revolves around the consistency of db.xml nothing else is reliant on any other piece of software. I can adapt this software to any want or need without infringing on or changing anyone elses software.

[Toby]

I think I'm just going to back out the way I came in and forget that I just read this thread.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Toby

I think I'm just going to back out the way I came in and forget that I just read this thread.

LOL! Yep!

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

LOL! Yep!

What's the rush? Stay here and make yourself comfortable. I'll even be a civilized host and go fetch some coffee and doughnuts.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Toby

I think I'm just going to back out the way I came in and forget that I just read this thread.

I'd rather you stay and contributed to the discussion, but if that's what you wish... I'm just trying to figure out why my concept of giving people random traffic from the TTT engine on top of whatever traffic they get from people intentionally clicking on their site in the link list is so impossible to understand (it works out for the person listing as well as me in the long run).

I mean the proof is right on the adultlinkweb.com site to show that there's no trickery involved here, but to demonstrate...

Here's a link right out of the index.html (main page) from adultlinkweb.com (you can do a view source on the page if you don't believe me):
<a href="http://coolchicktgp.net">cool chick tgp</a><span class="reportlink"> (<a href="/problem.php?id=12">Report Problem</a>)</span><br/>

Note carefully: it's a regular href direct to the site.

Here's the snipet of XSL code in the main.xsl template that created that link:
<xsl:template match="site">
<a href="{@url}"><xsl:value-of select="@name"/></a><xsl:if test="@desc"> - <xsl:value-of select="@desc"/></xsl:if><span class="reportlink"> (<a href="/problem.php?id={@id}">Report Problem</a>)</span><br/>
</xsl:template>

Here's the site entry in db.xml for the above site:
<site id="12" url="http://coolchicktgp.net" name="cool chick tgp">
<niche>general</niche>
</site>



With all the talk of doing something different on various threads I'm very confused at why my take on doing something different is being met with such confusion (if not resistance) when I am trying to do something that's mutually beneficial: you get a hard link and forced traffic to your site, my list expands courtesy of that link, that encourages people to visit, and, hopefully, they'll visit adultpicweb.com while they're at it. If I can make that any more clear I'd really appreciate your feedback on how.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

I'm just trying to figure out why my concept of giving people random traffic from the TTT engine on top of whatever traffic they get from people intentionally clicking on their site in the link list is so impossible to understand

Oh, it's not at all difficult to understand. What YOU are not understanding is that no one in the link list world wants RANDOM or FORCED traffic. We work on filtiering and honing our traffic to a higher quality than the circle-jerk traffic you are so generously offering to toss randomly at your listings.

I really didn't intend on dedicating this much of my time responding to hobby hour riff-raff, and since you continue to miss the point, I'll not take another stab at the rock under which you must reside. Suffice it to say that webmasters who work long hours builiding, submitting and toiling for their share of the traffic - deserve better.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Oh, it's not at all difficult to understand. What YOU are not understanding is that no one in the link list world wants RANDOM or FORCED traffic. We work on filtiering and honing our traffic to a higher quality than the circle-jerk traffic you are so generously offering to toss randomly at your listings.

I really didn't intend on dedicating this much of my time responding to hobby hour riff-raff, and since you continue to miss the point, I'll not take another stab at the rock under which you must reside. Suffice it to say that webmasters who work long hours builiding, submitting and toiling for their share of the traffic - deserve better.

And by submitting in one location you get both intentionally selected traffic and random traffic. I suppose there are people who will actively go browsing every link in a link list on every link list site (I'm not one to guess about such things) and who will find every porn site on the internet via search engine, but I'm ensuring that your site will get traffic by people just wandering around instead of relying on people intentionally clicking your sites link. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with enough people complaining about traffic (and that there's no such thing as too much) I always thought that more was better? So where is anyone losing? More traffic = more possibility for sales is what I thought the name of the game was.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

I'd rather you stay and contributed to the discussion, but if that's what you wish...

Since you've never built and submitted a gallery or free site I have serious doubts that I can afford the time required for said discussion.

There's a reason more advanced college courses have pre-requisites. In my opinion, the same reasoning applies here.

Step 1: Build and submit galleries or free sites.
Step 2: Build and run a successful TGP or Link List.
Step 3: Develop TGP or Link List software.

If you don't have the requisite experience yourself, the only other way is to team up and work closely with someone that does.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Toby

Since you've never built and submitted a gallery or free site I have serious doubts that I can afford the time required for said discussion.

There's a reason more advanced college courses have pre-requisites. In my opinion, the same reasoning applies here.

Step 1: Build and submit galleries or free sites.
Step 2: Build and run a successful TGP or Link List.
Step 3: Develop TGP or Link List software.

If you don't have the requisite experience yourself, the only other way is to team up and work closely with someone that does.

I'm trying all three steps right now. Steps 1 & 2: Started late last year with AdultPicWeb.com (it's not a screaming success, but it's providing me with a platform to learn from). Step 3 [develop link list software] and the run Link List portion of Step 2: Is where I'm at now. I developed the software that drives adultlinkweb.com from scratch in only a few hours (the portion of it that in any way works off TTT is the portion that dumps the data from the TTT MySQL table [via two SELECT queries] into a custom XML file, but even that part is a script written from scratch).