Making free sites sucks

[JD]

Yes, I'm a cranky old 35 yo bastard who thinks its bloody hard work making silly little free sites each day, for what, a sale a week if I'm really lucky. I am impatient, and wanting results, not knowing if I'm doing the right thing, using the right sponsors and giving them enough time.
I used to do many sales a day, a long time ago, now I would be happy with a couple a day, that alone would make me delirious right now, how sad is that?
You turn around and a months gone past and u have like 3 sales or something, wohoo, lol. Snow ball effect, yes I hear about it, I hope its real and the traffic will go up, I'm just wondering if I am doing the right thing by just concentrating on one site a day and submtting it to all the sites, maybe I should be trying to make 4 or 5 a day and submit to different LL for each one, maybe that would boost the traffic up.
You really need lets say 5k clicks to a sponsor a day to do 4 or 5 sales (if your lucky right? based on FS traffic) a day, thats a shit load of traffic, I wonder if it will ever get to that level. Then I think, maybe I should try to generate the traffic using paid passes etc for galleries, but then its a risk u might not get your investment back. I probably should do more each day, do some gals and blogs as well, it all takes its toll mentailly I think, keeping on trying to keep doing stuff, at least until some sales start flowing.

Sure I can get them listed, and I have the templates and link lists down ok, the process is streamlined as best it can be I suppose, its still depressing though.
Then I got a sale today, one crappy little sale from a gallery I had listed a couple weeks ago and suddenly one sale makes me feel good. Havent done consistent sales for a long long time, probably because I dont do the same thing every day for 6 months to give it a go, but should I be making free sites every day? Is it worth it more than it is to create and submit galleries each day? I know a couple years ago it definitely was worth it for the free sites, as they did get some good search traffic a month or so after the submission.
Yes I suppose its better than working at Mcdonalds. I have to give full credit to those of u that make your money from free site creation, and webmasters in general who rely on it for their livelihood, its very hard to work by yourself and try to do something that makes money, at least it is for me right now.

I find it hard to keep your mind on the ball and focus every day, even though your not doing sales. Have been slackish for one or two days and now the traffic just dries up (what little there was), how depressing, I suppose there may be residual SE traffic over time, I suppose I"m just too impatient. I do enjoy making them, its a good challenge to not get that rejected email from mr mary lou
Seems like it will take a long time to create an income flow, perhaps I should make a link list or two like others on here, at least then it will be more niche traffic coming in by some submitters.

Oh well, another day tomorrow, I'll get up and try to get motivated to make my little free sites with the hope that they may bring in some sales, maybe picking more sponsors and trying them is the go as well, then you have to start all over again with new sales pitches, new banners, blah blah blah. Yes, better than working at Mcdonalds, but maybe thats where I will end up if I cant get back to making money in adult. Sorry about the long boring rant, I thought it would be good to air it in the noobs section, cos the bottom line is I'm just a noob, one that used to do well, but cant get back on the damn wagon!!!

[trip99]

forget about it, there is too much free porn so people do not buy anymore adult membership paysites...

To make money now, you have to invest $400,000k to make an affiliate platform or at least 10k if you want to start a Free site and feed it with traffic to grow your trades.
Others than these 2 options, you will spend time and money and will not get your roi.
Sad but true, sorry

[Cleo]

I hear that Walmart is hiring

[Useless]

Originally Posted by trip99

forget about it, there is too much free porn so people do not buy anymore adult membership paysites...

So your contention is that no one signs up to paysites anymore...but then you suggest he starts his own program? Let me get this straight. No on joins paysites so he should start his own paysites. Okay. Got it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by trip99

To make money now, you have to invest $400,000k to make an affiliate platform or at least 10k if you want to start a Free site and feed it with traffic to grow your trades.
Others than these 2 options, you will spend time and money and will not get your roi.
Sad but true, sorry

Oh, and I agree. Building/submitting free sites does suck.

[KG Gary]

Building them is quite nice, but I find that submitting gets to be a bit of a pain.


After building and submitting freesites for eight months I pretty much make a sale per day now, so people do sign up and money can be made.
At various points along the way I try and tweak something, or buy a new domain for a new hub, or start a little webcam site, all gradually building up my little porn-galaxy.
It seems to be working....slowly but surely. Almost every month has seen an increase in traffic & sales all round, but sometimes there are scary weeks where I have doubts. If that happens I just carry on building anyway and maybe concentrate on freshening up my outlook with a new little project.

I'm sure that pretty good money can be made with freesites only, and my current numbers seem to suggest this is possible with enough hard work, but to get enough to live on you probably need to create your own little world of networked freesites/hubs/ etc to keep Mr Surfer in amongst your ads even if he thinks he's already left.

Did that make sense?

[Xallow]

It made perfect sense Gary and I agree with pretty much everything You said

[annie_cash]

why are we making freesites then??? I started working on this because of the so called snowball thing, thats why I still keep on working on the damned freesites. But all I see is people complaining they dont get money, now I'd really like to know if its actually true you can make decent cash out of this. And Im not just talking about the "big ones" but everyone who actually works to get this thing done. Otherway this wouldnt have any sence, please someone set this clear!

[japamor]

You can certainly make a living from Free Sites.
They last a hell of a long time, if not forever, and will continue to get hits for years to come. But yes, they should be incorporated into a larger network of sites. The snowball effect does work but you can't just sit back and wait for it to happen.
Keep working, keep building, and watch the magic begin!

[Bill]

It ain't like it used to be, that's for sure.

It's gotten worse in '06, too.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in '07.

[Maj. Stress]

JD,
Why just focus on free sites? If you build and submit one free site a day, you should have plenty of time left to build some sites for search engines where you can be more aggressive with your sales approach.

It does take some time to get listed in the search engines (sometimes 9 months to a year) and you will be spending some extra time doing link trades to hopefully increase your position in the serps, but this is traffic that keeps on selling for years.

Don't just focus on one thing. If for example you use an "exit" link on your free sites you can exit to a nice mainstream and search engine friendly site of your own that has adsense ads on it. All those clicks that pay anwhere from a few cents to ??$$ adds up real fast.

[JD]

Thanks guys for your comments, this forum is nice and positive, and I shall try to keep learning and reading
@ Cleo - We dont have walmart in Australia, it would be kmart or target or maybe best for less lol

[Useless]

Originally Posted by JD

@ Cleo - We dont have walmart in Australia, it would be kmart or target or maybe best for less lol

Count your blessings. I've worked at Wal-Mart. Damn, I hate hearing myself say that.

[JD]

I dont think theres ANY shame in working anywhere in the world at any place. You still have your dignity (there are limits of course, like Deuce bigallows dad who cleans shitters, but hey, people like doing that too, as he did) People with shitty jobs sometimes work harder than lazy asses like ourselves that sit at computers. My opinion anyhow, I tend to respect some kid working at Mcdonalds as much as some other dude working down a mine, they are all just trying to make a living

However, personally, its much harder (mentally) trying to make yourself do something that you "hope" will make you enough money to buy a loaf of bread, as opposed to going to a job where u know what to do and there is a pay check at the end of the day.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Count your blessings. I've worked at Wal-Mart. Damn, I hate hearing myself say that.

My wife just said, "I can just see it now, 'welcome to Walmart you cocksucker!'"

[Cleo]

I've actually only been to a Walmart once in my life and it was like at one in the morning. I bought a rather tacky solar powered lighted bird feeder that I still keep full of feed although I don't think it still lights up at night but the birds don't seem to mind. We don't have Walmarts on the east side of town and after visiting one I can see why.

None of this has anything to do with this thread, I guess I'm an irrelevant type of girl.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by trip99

forget about it, there is too much free porn so people do not buy anymore adult membership paysites...

To make money now, you have to invest $400,000k to make an affiliate platform or at least 10k if you want to start a Free site and feed it with traffic to grow your trades.
Others than these 2 options, you will spend time and money and will not get your roi.
Sad but true, sorry

That is a total and complete crock of shit
Diversify. Work on short term stuff for part of your day, long term stuff for the rest. Prosper. Think like the smart farmer who plants more than one crop. Diversify.
And don't let dipshits who thought it was all about free money and failed when work was involved get you down.

[urb]

I'm more worried about the falling value of the dollar at the moment.
But you have to look on the positive side... £1 uk pound = $1.94 USD so my hosting bill is going to be cheaper this month.

[KG Gary]

Originally Posted by urb

I'm more worried about the falling value of the dollar at the moment.
But you have to look on the positive side... £1 uk pound = $1.94 USD so my hosting bill is going to be cheaper this month.

I'm with you on this, Urb!
My hosting costs $75/month which is around £41 at the moment - great, but on the flip side a $1000 payment into a UK bank returns just over £500. My brain automatically and instantly halves my earnings every time I calculate something.


I agree with Japamor & Sheepguy - it is possible to make money if you stay on top of your game.
Working smart and organising your work day is incredibly important. Distraction when you're sat at your computer is so easy, and before long you've lost an hour reading a forum or a few articles.
(GG&J gets me every time )

If you aim to build a freesite per day, then make that your priority every time as it's your "bread & butter" job. If you don't like building freesites then do it in stages. Freesite content, non-freesite-task, Freesite structure, non-freesite-task, Freesite gallery layout, non-freesite-task etc etc ...but always get that freesite built and submitted. Try and look forward to that sweet "just-done-my-submits" feeling!

Plus, don't watch your sponsor stats too closely! Obviously you have to keep an eye on what's doing well for you, or not, but don't sit there staring at Unified Stats as the run comes to an end every half an hour and feel your heart sink when the sales don't come. It's depressing when you do that. How many non-sales stats runs do you see in a day?

As I said earlier, I'm really pleased with my progress, but I've built a few domains and a few hubs in between my freesite building, my main hub being http://www.pynio.com/ which I treat like a real link list. I also have a couple of cam sites out there. I link to these sites from my freesites now and then, trying to trap the surfer into my own little network of porn. I find that these side projects are great for getting the creative juices flowing and I enjoy time spent developing them.

The "trapping the surfer" advice was one of the first pieces of truly great advice I got from GG&J. A few folks here said that it was the best way to go and I think it works pretty well. (Thanks again for the great tips, folks)

I haven't reached that magic stage yet where I have so many freesites out there that the sales are rockin', but I'm very optimistic that I can get there if I stick to the plan and work to my goals.

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by urb

I'm more worried about the falling value of the dollar at the moment.
But you have to look on the positive side... £1 uk pound = $1.94 USD so my hosting bill is going to be cheaper this month.

Last week i used my ePassporte card at a London ATM to get me £50, back home I checked my ePass account and it told me I was charged $99.08. I was like YIKES!

Good thing I have a dollar account at my bank so I can keep the money on there until the dollar restores itself.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by urb

I'm more worried about the falling value of the dollar at the moment.
But you have to look on the positive side... £1 uk pound = $1.94 USD so my hosting bill is going to be cheaper this month.

Tell me about it
I used to get $1.58 Canadian on the US dollar, now I get $1.09

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by urb

I'm more worried about the falling value of the dollar at the moment.
But you have to look on the positive side... £1 uk pound = $1.94 USD so my hosting bill is going to be cheaper this month.

the value of te dollar yeah , here the same too, did i got 2 years ago for 100 dollars 120 euros, now i get for 100 bucks about 88 euros, i loose big time (there was a time i got 78 euros and made me realing thinking if it was worth the working hours to stay in bizz) still i manage to make the sale go up to get my money back , so dont nag, and yes there is too much free porn, 100s of webmasters start everday with making free sites, then also mention the guys who are working in groups and arew multi submitting, its harder now to make money as a free site builder then years ago....still i think free sites are the base of your porn bizz but i wish that damn dollar got more value

[docholly]

Originally Posted by JD

Yes, I'm a cranky old 35 yo bastard who thinks its bloody hard work making silly little free sites each day, for what, a sale a week if I'm really lucky. I am impatient, and wanting results, not knowing if I'm doing the right thing, using the right sponsors and giving them enough time.
I used to do many sales a day, a long time ago, now I would be happy with a couple a day, that alone would make me delirious right now, how sad is that?

You really need to spend some hours invested in ON The Bench with MML every Saturday AM. you'll get a world of information and others to help you be more successful.

[urb]

USD at it's lowest value against the pound in 14 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6158897.stm

[JD]

Originally Posted by docholly

You really need to spend some hours invested in ON The Bench with MML every Saturday AM. you'll get a world of information and others to help you be more successful.

Thanks for the post, I dont know anything about it, is it an online chat or something? I tried to get the radio show thing working a couple weeks ago and I couldnt for the life of me get the damn thing to play (and I'm not a computer noob either lol). Anyhow, I know theres a link round here somewhere so will check it out, thanks again )
JD

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Preacher

My wife just said, "I can just see it now, 'welcome to Walmart you cocksucker!'"

I never wore a blue vest and I NEVER did that fucking cheer. I worked in the photo lab. My customer service skills were so well-honed that the same old man threatened to bring me outside and kick my ass twice in one day.