About AVS's

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I have some premium AVS sites on their own domain and some in sub directories with a bunch on a domain. The ones with the dedicated domains have always done better with SE traffic.

Should you try one of the Tri Tech (CyberAge, CyberSexNetwork)? I've been getting rebills for almost 6 years now. I think it's worth investigating.

I do OK with CyberAge as well, and I know I'm in a minority with wm's who do AVS sites but I do far better with ProAdult. Most of the wm's I know do best with NetVerifier, and that used to be true for me as well, but not for quite a few years now. CyberAge is steady, but so is PA, I deal with both because the surfer sees that the grass is always greener on the other side and if I was to just promote one company, well, it just wouldn't make sense. I also build and promote NV and Sexkey and get regular checques, though not very big ones.
I spread 'em around, CyberAge has a problem with vegetable insertion, PA has a problem with some words I use on bondage sites. If one AVS turns me down I go to another one.

[rachelo]

Great article SheepGuy, you got me interested in AVS sites but I need to learn a bit more.
I have a couple of questions: What is a backdoor to an AVS site and what does an AVS site look like once you get inside, a bunch of galleries? or a big gallery, (you mentioned you use about 50 pics for a basic site and about 300 for a premium one).
Also do you place the advertising of other AVS sites or sponsors like on a free site?

I guess I have some more learning to do, any one knows of a good place to learn more about this?

[RedCherry]

Thanks Sheepguy, that was a great article. I've been doing AVS since I first got in the business, and my premium avs sites are always my best converting sponsors. I like the linking idea though, currently I have some of my premium avs sites linked together, but not all. I use NetVerifier alot, and still have a few proadult. You have re-inspired me to do more premium avs sites in 2007.

[RedCherry]

Originally Posted by rachelo

I have a couple of questions: What is a backdoor to an AVS site

Normally, it is a page with a link to your members area, that you give to LLs to review your content, since you put .htaccess on your members area that doesn't allow access to your members area except from your domain, and the avs.

Originally Posted by rachelo

and what does an AVS site look like once you get inside, a bunch of galleries? or a big gallery, (you mentioned you use about 50 pics for a basic site and about 300 for a premium one).
Also do you place the advertising of other AVS sites or sponsors like on a free site?

I'm curious on sheepguys answer on this. Mine have a lot of galleries, my biggest premium avs site just went over 50 galleries, and I update it weekly. I use site depth script for all my avs sites, and load up content usually a few months in advance so I only have to work on updates once in awhile. The rest of my sites update 2x a month.

Most AVSs have rules in advertising, for instance, banners have to be placed below galleries, and have to say the link leads offsite. You have to read for each AVS what they allow.

[Chop Smith]

This thread perked my interest in using AVS' as another tool to promote my pay sites. Most of my research has centered around ProAdult and other AVS might be different. Just about the time I was sure I was going to give AVS' sites a test I found this: "Contributors can not send traffic to their personal pay sites using ProAdult." This is a bad thing for me.

I would not think that one could expect to make much money from selling access to their own AVS premium site. If the AVS company has been around for a while there is probably not much of a pool left to throw your pitch and get sign ups from. Seems to me if you are doing AVS' sites you would still need to concentrate on getting sponsor sign ups.

[Xallow]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

If the AVS company has been around for a while there is probably not much of a pool left to throw your pitch and get sign ups from.

This was originally my thinking too and almost kept me from getting into pushing porn at all, but then I thought...

There are people turning 18 every day so new porn surfers are always available to sell too

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by rachelo

Great article SheepGuy, you got me interested in AVS sites but I need to learn a bit more.
I have a couple of questions: What is a backdoor to an AVS site and what does an AVS site look like once you get inside, a bunch of galleries? or a big gallery, (you mentioned you use about 50 pics for a basic site and about 300 for a premium one).
Also do you place the advertising of other AVS sites or sponsors like on a free site?

I guess I have some more learning to do, any one knows of a good place to learn more about this?

Hi Rachelo,
A backdoor is just the first page of your content that an mmber has to join to see or have a pasword to see. Most people who do AVS use .htaccess to protect it.
On the inside, on smaller sites I usually use 2 galleries of 25 pics or so, on larger sites I use up to 100 or more pics per gallery, and up to 40 or more galleries depending on the type of site. With a very large site I put a menu page as my first inside content page so surfers only click on the pages they're looking for.
The company I deal with the most profitably (ProAdult Quantum) doesn't allow me to advertise much on the inside, which is a pissoff, but they are profitable and their members stay forever so my sites with them are very clean. I would build a lot more with them if their rules were a little lighter.
CyberAge Platinum and NV Elite allow me to advertise sponsor paysites inside the members area so I do a lot with them. CyberAge Basic, Sexkey, and FreeNetPass allow me to advertise whatever I want inside and outside for the most part , including AVS sites with competing companies, so I do a lot with them.
Every AVS has it's different way of doing things, you just have to know what you want out of the site before you build it.
And ya gotta read their rules. I find that when I have a site turned down I can either make some minor changes to get it accepted or just go to a different AVS. I wouldn't reccomend anyone dealing with just one company.

If anyone wants to see the inside page of one of my sites just PM me with what site and I'll give you the backdoor for a couple of days. But my AVS sites in general don't look much like anyone else's and I'm sure my content pages look different as well. I'm sure any sane AVS would give you a temporary pass for a couple of days to have a look for yourself. It would definitely be in their best interests.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by RedCherry

Normally, it is a page with a link to your members area, that you give to LLs to review your content, since you put .htaccess on your members area that doesn't allow access to your members area except from your domain, and the avs.

I'm curious on sheepguys answer on this. Mine have a lot of galleries, my biggest premium avs site just went over 50 galleries, and I update it weekly. I use site depth script for all my avs sites, and load up content usually a few months in advance so I only have to work on updates once in awhile. The rest of my sites update 2x a month.

Most AVSs have rules in advertising, for instance, banners have to be placed below galleries, and have to say the link leads offsite. You have to read for each AVS what they allow.

Hi RedCherry,
I used to upload a years worth of up updates when I first built Adultcheck Gold sites, but only because they used to have a rule about that, and send me nasty e-mails when I didn't update on time. I found a neat little script that would do it for me automatically on the first of every month, but I've lost it now. You could set it for whatever time period you liked, saved a lot of work.
Now I don't update, nobody asks me to, nobody complains if I don't, and I don't advertise that I do. With AVS sites there is new stuff every day, so the surfers are happy, I'm happy, and nobody bitches.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

This thread perked my interest in using AVS' as another tool to promote my pay sites. Most of my research has centered around ProAdult and other AVS might be different. Just about the time I was sure I was going to give AVS' sites a test I found this: "Contributors can not send traffic to their personal pay sites using ProAdult." This is a bad thing for me.

I would not think that one could expect to make much money from selling access to their own AVS premium site. If the AVS company has been around for a while there is probably not much of a pool left to throw your pitch and get sign ups from. Seems to me if you are doing AVS' sites you would still need to concentrate on getting sponsor sign ups.

Hey Chop,
So don't use ProAdult
When I'm working on promoting a sponsor who's selling well for me I don't use them, I use the other guys. The other guys rules are slacker, still the same quality traffic inside, so I use them.
Personally I think PA is hurting themselves with that rule, I do alright with them, but I would build more and make more money with them if it wasn't for that rule that no other AVS has.
I make a good chunk from cams, but I can't advertise them there, so when I want to boost cam sales I build elsewhere.

[RedCherry]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

Just about the time I was sure I was going to give AVS' sites a test I found this: "Contributors can not send traffic to their personal pay sites using ProAdult." This is a bad thing for me.

I agree with sheepguy, don't use them. One of the reasons I don't have a lot of pro-adult sites. But the few I've done I don't sell a lot of passes, but they retain forever.

[RedCherry]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Now I don't update, nobody asks me to, nobody complains if I don't, and I don't advertise that I do. With AVS sites there is new stuff every day, so the surfers are happy, I'm happy, and nobody bitches.

That is one of the things that has kept me from building a lot of premium avs sites is the hassle of updates. They really don't complain? I've always tried to update them regularily, and the site I update the most has the most members.

Lately what I've done is more sites where join this site, get access to these other 4 type of thing, and that way I focus my main updating on those sites, so I don't have to update every single one.

Thanks, I will have to re-think that, maybe put some nv elites out that don't update, just give them access to sites that do. I tend to keep mine all in the same broad niche, so all the content appeals to the rest of the members.

[Useless]

What about using sponsor content on normal AVS sites with the sole purpose of promoting that sponsor? I've seen one or two programs which state that they are uncomfortable with that and I can understand their point, since they can't see what you are doing with it once it's behind the members area script/htaccess. The fact that you may be making AVS sales for yourself while not necessarily converting AVS members over to the content's sponsor sites is another reason.

Any experience with this or would you suggest avoiding the use of sponsor content on AVS sites?

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What about using sponsor content on normal AVS sites with the sole purpose of promoting that sponsor? I've seen one or two programs which state that they are uncomfortable with that and I can understand their point, since they can't see what you are doing with it once it's behind the members area script/htaccess. The fact that you may be making AVS sales for yourself while not necessarily converting AVS members over to the content's sponsor sites is another reason.

Any experience with this or would you suggest avoiding the use of sponsor content on AVS sites?

I've never tried it, but maybe I will. I haven't seen any AVS rules against it, and I think it would be to the sponsor's advantage to have as many ads as possible inside protected areas of AVS sites. Sure, they can't have a look inside, but in any sponsor relationship there has to be an element of trust.
Content is cheap though, so using your own is probably the best way to go.

[RedCherry]

I just decided to give proadult a try again, and wow they allow you to promote a sponsor now, and use their content. MegaPartner.com I've never heard of them, but I signed up for them. That makes ProAdult now more appealing. I also like the fact that other webmasters can promote your proadult sites too, something netverifier doesn't offer that I wish it did.

[Carrie]

UW many of the basic or "free"-level AVS sites you'll see are sponsor content sites, upselling to the sponsor inside.
If you have a sponsor that has "no AVS/AEN" in their TOS, just drop the rep an email and let them know you'll have a backdoor URL available for them anytime they want to see it. I'd think most would happily allow you to build sites for verified CC owners/users.

[p0werm4n]

Is it possible to make a grand a month off these kind of sites?

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by p0werm4n

Is it possible to make a grand a month off these kind of sites?

LOL! Yeah, keeping in mind that "sites" is plural, and that the entire adult biz is no longer the get-rich-quick thang it used to be. Work is very much involved. And nobody will give you all the answers. Reading this board will be a great start though.

[p0werm4n]

Cool, it looks like I jumped in a little too late lol... But I don't mind putting in effort, if I could make an income... I have a lot to learn though, thats for sure!

[RamCharger]

After reading a couple threads in a couple different topics on this board I keep noticing a recurring theme: updates are a pain. Why? If you're dealing with generating and uploading static content you could literally write a single PHP file that uses a mysql backend (with one or two tables in it) in maybe an afternoon to generate your pages and upload them. Stuff the build command in your scheduler (at or cron, depending on your platform) and you would never need to think about it. I would think if standing up so many sites is so profitable, but so painful when you're dealing with multiple sites then a week browsing the documentation on php.net or reading a book on php would be a very rewarding investment for years to come. Just my thoughts on that.