.XXX Given The OK

[Ms Naughty]

Dammit.

Obviously there are some people in the industry who seem to think that repeatedly saying NO means "YES".

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N4UP20100624

The company that oversees Web addresses is expected to give the go-ahead on Friday for the creation of a .xxx suffix for websites with pornographic content, company officials indicated on Thursday...

"If expedited due diligence results are successful, then staff will proceed into contract negotiations with ICM (over .xxx)," ICANN's general counsel John Jeffrey told delegates at a week-long ICANN meeting in Brussels on Thursday.

[MadMax]

I had a big, long reply planned, but this sums it up.



This will all go quite well with new Thought Crimes legislation and Lieberman lobbying to take China's lead on controlling the internet.

[Ms Naughty]

The price of a xxx domain is $70. Nice little earner there and a gouge for those of us who want to protect our intellectual property from squatters. That's all it is.

But already the comments on the SMH article about this are demanding that governments make it mandatory for porn to be on the domain. Thanks for screwing free speech, ICANN.

[secretagentwilly]

dang...this is fucked... $70? That shit should be $2 as a public service....

[ArtWilliams]

I don't want to be part of a ghetto.

[Cleo]

Who decides what is porn?

[nekrom]

Excellent! I can't wait to start registering everybody's domains as a .xxx.

-N

[Ms Naughty]

When it was looking possible a few weeks ago I gave in and registered with ICM registry (swearing the whole time). They do want to know if you already own adult domain names and give you first dibs on the equivalent .xxx domains.

From the registration page:

You have the right to apply for domains in .xxx that you already own in .com,
.net or another TLD, such as a country code TLD. This process is called
Name Reservation. To do this, provide us with the existing domain(s) that you own.

They are also accepting "expressions of interest" in other names.

Are there any limits how many names I can apply to reserve?

You must already have owned the domain in another TLD prior to May 1st 2006
and use it as an Adult domain, then you may reserve that name in .xxx.
If you own the domain abcde.com for example, then you may reserve the name
abcde.xxx. You may reserve as many names as you wish from those you own.
All names that had been registered by May 1st 2006 and used as Adult sites in all
TLDs (including .com, .net and other country-code TLDs, such as .co.uk and .de) are eligible.

You don't find out about the price until you've been through the reservation process. I *think* it's $70, might be a tad less but not much. Pure price gouging!

[tickler]

Here's the summary of the meeting from Dianne Duke and Tom Hymes.
http://news.avn.com/articles/Brussel...ay-401239.html

Originally Posted by Dianne Duke

“We couldn't find anybody in our industry who knew any of those people. Not only that, we had a very difficult time finding those names on the Internet at all. The only time that showed up were in the ICANN registry under the—I mean, in the ICANN notes under the public comment periods. And of those we did find —14—,two were adult registries, one was an advertising company, five were just mainstream registries, one was a religious organization*—and as anybody who has looked at the public comment period knows, there were a lot of comments from the religious organizations—two were software companies and one was a web service.

When I was emailing with them the other day, they 1/2 expected this result due to the need to follow procedural items, but also felt that the required review under scrutiny would undermine ICM on the sponsored community item. Also ICMs business plan also be questioned.

Originally Posted by John Jeffrey - general counsel

Specifically, the board will direct ICANN staff to fast-track a reassessment of the sponsored criteria, based on whether the application is “still current” and also to assess whether “conditions have changed” since the application was first submitted during the 2004 sTLD round. The language used by the general counsel suggested that all three prongs of the required application criteria (technical, financial and sponsorship) will be under review.

And then Dianne sums it up somewhat.

“The fat lady isn't singing yet,” she said. “From what I heard today, ICANN is planning on getting advice from GAC (which solidly encouraged ICANN to deny the application in 2007) and to see if ICM’s application still meets the required criteria, including showing broad-based support from the industry (they don't ... never did). If ICANN does indeed provide due diligence and not just lip service, I believe that these are obstacles ICM will not be able to overcome.”

BTW, Grandma how's your new Prime Minister going to work out with the Aussie internet filter?

[Peedy]

I don't like this but is it really going to be a big deal? In a sense its just another TLD we can choose from. There are no laws saying all porn has to be on this TLD only. Likewise people use .ORG for other things than the planned non profit sites.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Peedy

I don't like this but is it really going to be a big deal? In a sense its just another TLD we can choose from. There are no laws saying all porn has to be on this TLD only. Likewise people use .ORG for other things than the planned non profit sites.

Besides the $70 extortion!

There are also things like ICM/IFFOR(which is nothing to do with adult) saying that if you register a XXX, you also agree to be bound by their regulations on your domains including com, net, org, etc.

There is also the ghetto effect!

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

But already the comments on the SMH article about this are demanding that governments make it mandatory for porn to be on the domain. Thanks for screwing free speech, ICANN.

Much easier for some politico to block a TLD than millions of domains.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by tickler

Much easier for some politico to block a TLD than millions of domains.

Precisely. It would be as easy as marching us into a 'shower'.

[InfoGuy]

Boycott .XXX If no one registers any names, the registry will go out of business. Fuck that piece of shit Stuart Lawley, ICM and ICANN.

[Sven800]

So who gets the .xxx domain if I own the .com, person 2 owns the .net person 3 owns the .org, person 4 owns the .info, etc...?

[Useless]

Don't worry. I'm told them I was against this and they said, "OK."

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Boycott .XXX If no one registers any names, the registry will go out of business. Fuck that piece of shit Stuart Lawley, ICM and ICANN.

Boycotting it will not put them out of business any more than refusing to deal with sponsors who shave would put them out of business.

Maybe if we all, (the big unorganized and competing with each other we all) decided to go on strike or something, maybe then the surfers would rise up in righteous anger and demand an end to tube sites, free porn, and all of the other things that keep us from making as much money as we used to make!

But I doubt they'd even notice.

The reality is that the only thing constant about this biz is change. It sucks, but you either deal with it or quit.

We all don't have a helluva lot of influence.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Sven800

So who gets the .xxx domain if I own the .com, person 2 owns the .net person 3 owns the .org, person 4 owns the .info, etc...?

They haven't defined that yet. Best guess is whoever gives the best blowjob or offers the most money.

Money money, money, money, money.

More peeks at asshat Lawrey from the NY Times.

Mr. Lawley said more than 100,000 domains have preregistered. He said he expected that when the dot-xxx domains open for business, between 9 and 12 months from now, some 500,000 domains will register, or roughly 10 percent of the five to six million adult online sites.

But Ms. Duke said many of those are likely to be “defensive” registrations, from businesses that want to prevent their names from being hijacked. Mr. Lawley said businesses can ensure that their names are not misused in the dot-xxx world by paying a one-time fee, to be set between $50 and $250.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/te...html?src=busln

Can you say legalized extortion.

I'm getting ready to go out and setup a whole bunch of TLDs.
Disney.PORN
Republican.GLORYHOLES
Microsoft.BDSM
and don't forget all the non porn nasty words that are not correct
Cheyney.N*Z*
Vatican.PED*PH*LES
Obama.N*G*A

With the updating the reviews on sponsorship & the fact of the GAC rejecting them originally ICM is not likely to make it.

If all else fails it's time for a civil war. Then everybody can start banning XXX from submissions, links, trading, traffic, etc. making the domains worthless.

[Ms Naughty]

Tickler, no word on whether she's going to dump the filter... we're all hoping there's a ministerial reshuffle and Conroy gets the boot. It might happen, fingers crossed.

One good thing about Julia: she's not a bible basher. She took an affirmation oath when she was sworn in. This is a major relief.

I do hope AVN is right and .xxx is not a done deal. As you say, how can they be allowed to charge that much money to protect intellectual property? Bastards.

[nekrom]

Conroy will keep his portfolio, filter will still be on the agenda, gotta think about the children. $10 bucks says I'm right.

-N

[Sven800]

$60 a year was the last I heard - That killed it for me right there. Damn legalized extortion.

[Ms Naughty]

Nekrom, I won't take your bet, you're probably right. The euphoria of the other day has given way to cynicism. Still, I sent her an email asking her to dump the filter and put Kate Lundy in the communications job. It's a small hope.

[nekrom]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

Nekrom, I won't take your bet, you're probably right. The euphoria of the other day has given way to cynicism. Still, I sent her an email asking her to dump the filter and put Kate Lundy in the communications job. It's a small hope.

I would love Kate Lundy to take over the portfolio and for Conjob to be re-assigned to an office in the middle of the NT.

I will give PM Gillard a week or so to see how her revamped cabinet looks and if any policies will be dumped or changed. But I'm not holding my breath.

-N

[tickler]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

I do hope AVN is right and .xxx is not a done deal. As you say, how can they be allowed to charge that much money to protect intellectual property? Bastards.

Well as Diane said in an email to me the other day, Lawrey is severely pissed that they have to go through a review of their "sponsored community" which they will probably lose, and the approval of the GAC(Government Advisory Committee) again, where they were rejected before.

Might have something to do with me calling them out about that.
http://kierenmccarthy.com/2010/05/18...-dot-xxx-issue

Or maybe my ICANN post about the viability of their business plan, which was referenced in the ICM paid Executive Summary above.
http://forum.icann.org/lists/icm-opt.../msg00630.html




As far as the Aussie filter, I've been reading various news articles that Conroy is rapidly losing party support because there is an election coming and all the politicos want to be elected again.



BTW, does anybody want sponsor IDs for ICM supporters.

[nekrom]

Well the cabinet shuffle as happened and Conjob still has his portfolio, interwebs filters for everyone huzzah!

-N

[GJ_Servers]

This will probably be a long drawn out process and expensive to police. So, I don't think it will have any real impact for a long time. The article indicates that the vote wasn't unanimously in favor of it. It's not a done deal yet.