Bill Maher

[Torn Rose]

I know there was another thread for this but I can't find it.

Last nights show was very good IMHO. Ben Affleck, Bill Sammon and Joe Biden (D - Del)

Biden really impressed me, he was very direct with his answers and made some great points and did something I have never seen before, the very first question to Biden was "Are you running in '08" and his complete answer was "Yes"

No spin no tap dancing no "And let me add this" just "yes". Even Bill Sammon clapped and said it is so refreshing to get a direct answer to that question.

So if you have HBO and missed last nights show I suggest it looking for it, best one in a long time.

[Kinky]

I was impressed with Biden too, I would like to see him as the leader of our country

[Simon]

I liked him too.

I want to make buttons and bumper stickers with:

"Barely-Legal Biden for President"

(if anyone caught that)

[Torn Rose]

Originally Posted by Simon

"Barely-Legal Biden for President"

(if anyone caught that)

Yes I did

Pretty funny guy and very sharp, I look forward to learning more about him and his policies.

[Tommy]

I was impressed with him also

[T Pat]

Torn please tell those of us that don't have HBO more.
what's "Barely-Legal Biden for President" about?

I've lost all respect for Keary and Clinton now that they have both whored themselves by spouting religouse BS and being soft on Illegal Immigrants. What they should be hollering is take the Cathlic Churches Tax Exempt Status away for incourageing contempt of the laws and borders of The United States and slamming the Republicans for being so friggin soft on employing illegal's.

"These guys are the most incompetent people I've ever seen in Washington in all the time I've been in public life," Kerry said via teleconference to the National Action Network, an advocacy group founded by Al Sharpton. "The problem with it is their incompetence is hurting people, it's hurting real people."

Kerry criticized a House bill that would punish those who aid illegal immigrants and argued that the GOP had adopted a hard line on the issue to depress voter turnout. He echoed recent comments of a potential presidential rival, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, who said last month that the bill would penalize "even Jesus himself."

Regan gave amnesty to 4 million in 1984 and said it was a one time thing.
Now in 2006 their talking about amnesty for 12 million, Bull Shit, fine the fuck out of the employers, round up the Illegal Immigrants and drop their asses off at the border.

There is no shortage of hispanics that would love to live and work legaly in the United States under a revised guest worker program.

The way I would like to see the guest worker program setup is mandatory basic english, stop the automatic citizenship for children born in the US to non US Citizens and ship their asses back home when they retire so our children aren't stuck paying their medical bills.

Woops guess I got a little off topic, but it felt good to vent about one of my pet peeves

[Carl]

Originally Posted by T Pat

stop the automatic citizenship for children born in the US

I don't care if they jump a fence, swim a river, or float in on a raft just to have a baby an hour later. If a baby is born in the United States then that makes it a citizen, and it will always be that way. Congress could have already fixed our broken boarders if they would stop taking what seems like their monthly two week vacation, and get off of their asses.

Go ahead and drop the illegal immigrants off at the boarder they will just get back in until our government does something to take control of how and when others get in this country. I don't care if they have to pay the illegals immigrants that are here to build the wall to keep the others out. Anything is a start.

[RawAlex]

Much in the same way that most politicians don't want to deal with certain inner-city issues (because they might get in the unhappy situation of having to admit that IC black people are their own worst enemies, which is totally not PC), politicians also don't want to be on the "push them out" side of any issue dealing with latinos. There are enough legal latino voters that they can put a world of hurt on any party seen to be hard on latino immigrants.

The size of the protests and stuff is a clear indication that whoever comes down against the latinos are going to suffer greatly. The republicans are looking for a foothold in southern california, and getting all that latino vote on their side would be a big boost - say nothing about the advantages that could be had in south florida if all the illegals could suddenly get paper...

It is truly a dumd as shit situation that would require the majority of americans to stop voting ignorantly down party lines and to vote for whoever is actually going to solve a major, major issue.

Alex

[docholly]

In my "fantasy" world regarding this.. since most of us have a 'fantasy' on how we'd like our government to work..

I'd remove the Statue of Liberty from NY harbor along with Ellis Island. Anyone who came though Ellis Island or their relative living here now would have to leave the country and re-apply for a visa/green card since when we took in the tired, hungry and huddle masses yearning to be free, a visa (or master card) wasn't required.

Anyone who could prove they have at least 1/16 native blood and currently carry a tribal card can stay but must apply for citizenship. Those who can prove 100% native blood are automatically US citizens and have the right to vote, bear arms, be elected president etc. Thus we'd alliviate the "immigration problem"

I have a very active and vivid imagination.

[SirMoby]

Fences, dogs, guns and what have you will never do any good. They'll cost tax payers a bunch of money but will not really stop people coming in. It's too big an area to cover and they will find a way in.

Coming down on the corporations that are hiring the illegals would cut the amount of jobs going to them and make the USA less inviting. That would have more impact then on a fence but then that would take money away from lobbyist and special interest groups and in return take money away from the crooked politicians.

Companies in the USA hire illegals without ever thinking about it because no one ever gets fined for it. You can't get a job in a DC kitchen unless you speak Spanish because even a great chef has to have helpers and they have to pay legal workers $12 an hour to keep them but can pay illegals a couple of bucks less.

Want to be a forman on a construction site? You better speak 2 languages.

Unfortunately the only long term solution is close the gap between poor in MX and jobs here. The average Mexican is making about $1.30 an hour in Mexico but averages $9.50 here. They average Mexican lives on $5 a day back home and can make that in 30 minutes here.

I say fine the corporations hard for breaking the law. Then take the money earned by those fines and invest in MX infrastructure. When Americans can work construction and stay out of poverty they'll work hard (that means at least $12.50 an hour) but they won't work to stay in poverty at $9 an hour. When Mexicans earn 7 times more here then they can at home they're find a way to be here.

[T Pat]

Originally Posted by Carl

I don't care if they jump a fence, swim a river, or float in on a raft just to have a baby an hour later. If a baby is born in the United States then that makes it a citizen, and it will always be that way.

Carl on my mothers side my grandfather was conceived in wales and born in the US earning his US citizenship through birth, my grandmother was born in England and gained her citizenship through their marrage, both greatgrandfathers came to the US educated and with enough money to start successful businesses and start paying taxes.
My fathers side is a different story the men came from England pre revolutionary war broke uneducated and payed their passage by being indentured servents for seven years.
In the 11+ years I've been with my Mexican/American Wife I've been introduced to a couple dozen girls that came here just to have a baby concieved in Mexico, FREE MEDICAL AN INSTANT INCOME AND NO WORRIES ABOUT BEING DEPORTED FOR BREAKING THE LAW BECAUSE THEIR KID IS A US CITIZEN it's wrong on more levels than I can count.

Alex May 1st is Mexico's Labor Day and the Catholic Church and the Illegal Immagrants are quietly planning the biggest work boycot and demonstration in American History, seeing all the red white and green flags flying in the streets is going to piss alot of people off
My Wifes family is freeking out, their all legal, educated, very patriotic and scarred shitless that May 1st is going to cause so much animosity towards Hispanics that they won't be safe outside of their homes.

[T Pat]

Sir Moby you make more sense than any politician I know of, let me know if you ever run for office.

The only flaw I see in your plan is it would have to include all of South America.
My father in law retired to Antigua Guatemala (he lives like a king on a small pension) The Coyotes (human smugglers) are treated like heroes there and their not just bringing South Americans across their bringing Chinese too.

[terry]

Wow, what a spin this thread took. A very interesting read.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by T Pat

Torn please tell those of us that don't have HBO more.
what's "Barely-Legal Biden for President" about?

The 'barely-legal' part is a reference to Article I, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which says a senator must be 30 years of age. Joe Biden was sworn in as a U.S. Senator at age 30, but he campaigned for the job at 29.

He's been reelected 5 times since 1972, when he was first sworn.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a video clip or transcript of Bill Maher's show available, but some facts are here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

Imagine having a president who's also been an adjunct professor, teaching a seminar on constitutional law for the last 15 years.

In his spare time. Instead of clearing brush at the ranch.

This might be a chance to get someone in the job who has been trained to think.

One thing mentioned on Bill's show was how it's been said the Biden's weakness is that he tends to talk too long. Bill's comment on that was that it was a good thing, and that he hopes Biden keeps doing that, because some things take more words than you can put in a 30-second soundbite.

I wish I could point you to somewhere that you could see how he handled himself on the panel, but since I can't, I'll just say that I came away from watching it thinking that Biden has a more complete set of clues than I've seen in a politician in a long time.

And yes, his direct answer to the first question really did set the tone for the rest.

Simon

[Torn Rose]

Thanks for hijacking this thread all!

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Torn

Thanks for hijacking this thread all!

You're right Torn. They usually show the reruns of Bill Maher on Monday nights so I'll look for it.

It does seem strange that it was a good show with Ben Affleck on there. I know he's an activist but almost everytime he speaks without a publicist I question his IQ

[Tommy]

Ben Affleck came off as having a decent head on his shoulders

I think company owners that hire illegals should get 5 years
that number seems pretty fair since that was the number used in 2257


do you know how easy it would be to catch them

just get a spanish federal agent and let him stand on the corner with the rest of them

when a truck comes to pick a few up, just wait till you get there

and then
slap on the cuffs and auction off the truck and all construction equipment on that job

[Erick G]

http://uniteourstates.com/ Biden's websites
It was EXTREMELY refreshing to see someone who tells it like it is.
I will be following him very closely. Ben Affleck was really good.
I have to agree it was one of the best episodes this season.
I hope hillary doesnt run.. She will just fuck shit up.
I think Biden could change this country around if its even possible.

[T Pat]

Originally Posted by Torn

Thanks for hijacking this thread all!

Sorry about screwing up your thread Torn
Thanks for getting the thread back on track Simon and Erick G
I read and listened to every thing on Biden's web site, think I'm ready for a bumper sticker

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Simon

I liked him too.

I want to make buttons and bumper stickers with:

"Barely-Legal Biden for President"

(if anyone caught that)

He turn 30 a couple of weeks after he was elected but before he assumed his office...

[SirMoby]

So I watched a rerun of Bil Maher tonight Biden madea lot of sense. He spoke about what his party does right and wrong as well as the other party. He actually sounds like someone that cares about the people in the USA as opposed to someone that openly admits to doing what is best for the party. Of course most people don't understand what's really being said when someone is doing what's best for the party as they've never heard that in a democracy before since that was always left to the commies.

Ben Affleck came across a bit more knowledgable then he did the last time I saw him on the show. Perhaps it was nerves or perhaps he truly spent some time educated himself. Either way, he scored a few points in my book.

OK, I lived in Delaware for a number of years but I was more interested in what was arriving at the beach during summer vaction then what Joe Biden was doing.

I'm ready to learn more about Biden but I don't think he'll gain the support of his party since he openly speaks about what they're doing right and wrong. Tommy and I disagree on this but I don't think the USA is ready for woman in the oval office no matter how qualified she is. I like to think I'm wrong on this but time will tell. If the dems agree with me then Biden could be a good compromise guy that talks about the people instead of the left or the right.

Torn, thanks for pointing out the shoe because I like the guy

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tommy

Ben Affleck came off as having a decent head on his shoulders

I thought just the opposite Tommy. I mean, when you start saying the President should be hanged or shot for treason, you look like a moron.

He did all liberals (myself included) a great disservice.

[DivaShane]

I was extremely impressed with Ben Afleck.
The fact that he laid it all out there the way it really is was fanstastic and refreshing.
I don't think his comments on Bush being shot or hanged were moronic at all. Treason is a high offense and it's punishable by death no matter who it is. Unless of course I missed some thing in history (possible). I just thought that to have the balls to sit there and spell it all out was really ballsy. It also doesn't hurt that I had thought of many of the things he said that night.

So far I'm liking Biden. I've not hit his website yet, but I fully intend to. I agree it was very refreshing to see some one being so straight forward. My favorite part though was when Afleck asked for some clarification on a point and Biden actually did. Amazing...

[Jim]

Originally Posted by DivaShane

I was extremely impressed with Ben Afleck.
The fact that he laid it all out there the way it really is was fanstastic and refreshing.
I don't think his comments on Bush being shot or hanged were moronic at all. Treason is a high offense and it's punishable by death no matter who it is. Unless of course I missed some thing in history (possible). I just thought that to have the balls to sit there and spell it all out was really ballsy. It also doesn't hurt that I had thought of many of the things he said that night.

So far I'm liking Biden. I've not hit his website yet, but I fully intend to. I agree it was very refreshing to see some one being so straight forward. My favorite part though was when Afleck asked for some clarification on a point and Biden actually did. Amazing...

You are right, you did miss something in history. A standing President can only be impeached for treason. Not shot and not hanged.

Ben Afflack was a fucking moron and made all of us liberals look just as stupid. You could see Biden put his head in his hands when Afflack mentioned it.

[MeatPounder]

Actually if even 10% of this Loose Change is ever proved as factual then shooting and hanging are way too good for him and his gang