Setting Up A Directory: My Adventures

[MrYum]

Hey now! This is an awesome idea

I agree that you'll definitely have a leg up in a few areas. Being known goes a long way for various things and having a solid plan makes a huge difference.

I converted an old hub into my link list several months ago. Tis a long arduous road for sure, but it's never boring

Just wait til you start reviewing sites!

Anyway, hey...good to meet ya Kristian. As others have mentioned, feel free to hit me up anytime. I'll look forward to contributing in this thread...and learning from your trials and tribulations

[kristian]

Very glad to have you here, MrYum!

Those site reviews have me jittery already. They have the potential to be 4 times worse than galleries! |shocking|

Anyway great to meet you dude and looking forward to the fun we should have here!

[kristian]

Must get some sleep now. Thanks to everyone for the interest and encouragement.

Right now I'm just trying to decide on general movie list or niche list. And, if niche, which niche? Also buying some domains as I brainstorm. Will likely use domains I don't use as feeders and probably give away the odd one or two in competitions or whatever. Will post all the details, links and costs, first thing in the morning.

[Jel]

Hi Kristian,

Looks to be the start of a very intersting thread. First off, best of luck (for want of a better word) with the project

For what it's worth, a small time LL owners input on trying to make it in a big LL owners world:

The right script is a critical choice, the one I have atm is not the best, and I know this adds a lot of time to my work day. It's also not the best for catching or red-flagging possible cheaters, which further adds to the work-time.

What others have said about making feeder sites/galleries, it's worth blowing off making a sponsor oriented freesite or gallery now and then to push a page on your LL. Gives a little boost, and hopefully will add some of those golden bookmarkers.

Again what others have said about not expecting to see any worthwhile return for maybe a year or more, it's extremely hard work maintaining a new (and I guess old ) LL, I almost gave up a while back, but am now glad that I didn't, a new LL is very much a long term project, something you'll hear a lot, but it doesn't truly sink in until it's you doing the long term waiting.

Don't skimp on being firm in your rules. Some days you'll be tempted to list a site you kinda don't want to, just for some content. That's a mistake that will come back and bite you in the ass further down the road if you succumb to it.

That's about it from this little and still inexperienced guy, hope it helps a little at least.

[Useless]

I'd suggest using an old domain that doesn't have anything special on the root. It doesn't matter if you have galleries or sites or wild chimpanzees roaming its subdirectories. In fact, it's a good thing if it already has some pages listed in the SEs. In my experience, and from what I heard around here, a new domain will hold you back in the SEs. So, go old.

As much as it would be nice to have a great name like the one GG has, I wouldn't worry about the name itself as long as it's somewhat general or non-specific. (Hell, I transitioned a TGP into a general link list with the word 'wives' in the name and barely anyone submits wives sites to me.) If you must have a new movie specific name, I just checked and "this-domain-sucks-but-greenguy-from-link-o-rama-took-pornmovielinks.com" is available.

[roba59]

I registered an expired domain. Does that count as new one or as old one??

[glowlite]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'd suggest using an old domain that doesn't have anything special on the root. It doesn't matter if you have galleries or sites or wild chimpanzees roaming its subdirectories. In fact, it's a good thing if it already has some pages listed in the SEs. In my experience, and from what I heard around here, a new domain will hold you back in the SEs. So, go old.

"I'd suggest using an old domain that doesn't have anything special on the root."

".... it's a good thing if it already has some pages listed in the SEs."

WTF ?????????????

I thought it was "Useless Warrior", not "Clueless Warrior".

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Greenguy]

glowlite - can you explain why it would be a BAD thing to use an existing domain that already had SE listings & spiders coming thru & whatnot?

[Fonz]

Hey kristian, long time no see dude

And your re-entry hasn't gone by unnoticed I see
Great idea and I'm looking forward to see how this project evolves.

[kristian]

Originally Posted by Jel

Hi Kristian,

Looks to be the start of a very intersting thread. First off, best of luck (for want of a better word) with the project

For what it's worth, a small time LL owners input on trying to make it in a big LL owners world:

Thanks for the encouragement, Jel! No need to be modest. I've seen your site all over the SERPS. Looking forward to your participation.

Originally Posted by Jel

The right script is a critical choice, the one I have atm is not the best, and I know this adds a lot of time to my work day. It's also not the best for catching or red-flagging possible cheaters, which further adds to the work-time.

This is something I'm hoping to talk about here today. Looking at the available scripts, I have my own favorites. But, as you've spelled out, you really only know what's a good script once you use it. Anyway will be posting links to some and anyone can discuss the pros and cons.

Originally Posted by Jel

What others have said about making feeder sites/galleries, it's worth blowing off making a sponsor oriented freesite or gallery now and then to push a page on your LL. Gives a little boost, and hopefully will add some of those golden bookmarkers.

This stuff really interests me. I know how I'd approach this normally but I'm thinking there is a specific way for feeding link lists. I've bought a few domains that I'll be using for this purpose.

Originally Posted by Jel

Again what others have said about not expecting to see any worthwhile return for maybe a year or more, it's extremely hard work maintaining a new (and I guess old ) LL, I almost gave up a while back, but am now glad that I didn't, a new LL is very much a long term project, something you'll hear a lot, but it doesn't truly sink in until it's you doing the long term waiting.

It's encouraging to know there's light at the end of the tunnel. The best way I can view this, motivationally, is to look at it like an offline business. The thing with internet buisnesses is there are ways to make a quick buck and ways to make a steady, dependable buck. If I broke even at the end of the year with a shop in my town, for instance, I'd be happy. Its great to hear you've come through the tunnel.

Originally Posted by Jel

Don't skimp on being firm in your rules. Some days you'll be tempted to list a site you kinda don't want to, just for some content. That's a mistake that will come back and bite you in the ass further down the road if you succumb to it.

I could have seen myself doing this as well. Will remember this one definitely.

Originally Posted by Jel

That's about it from this little and still inexperienced guy, hope it helps a little at least.

You're too modest but very happy to have you sharing your knowledge!

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

glowlite - can you explain why it would be a BAD thing to use an existing domain that already had SE listings & spiders coming thru & whatnot?

That little fuck is still whimpering over this thread. I'm choosing to not reply to him here because this is going to be a thread worth not fucking up. I think the experienced webmasters here understand the inherent value of older domains.

[kristian]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'd suggest using an old domain that doesn't have anything special on the root. It doesn't matter if you have galleries or sites or wild chimpanzees roaming its subdirectories. In fact, it's a good thing if it already has some pages listed in the SEs. In my experience, and from what I heard around here, a new domain will hold you back in the SEs. So, go old.

As much as it would be nice to have a great name like the one GG has, I wouldn't worry about the name itself as long as it's somewhat general or non-specific. (Hell, I transitioned a TGP into a general link list with the word 'wives' in the name and barely anyone submits wives sites to me.) If you must have a new movie specific name, I just checked and "this-domain-sucks-but-greenguy-from-link-o-rama-took-pornmovielinks.com" is available.

Yet again, you prove the irony behind your name dude. The reason a new domain hasn't concerned me much is because of the long haul factor. But you are right, it is going to affect me in the short term. I think google look at factors which suggest stability: length of ownership and number of years registered.

I have a couple of movie-related domains that are almost 2 years old. What do you think about these?

MovieLinkList.com

MrsMovies.com

Do you like them?

[kristian]

Originally Posted by Fonz

Hey kristian, long time no see dude

And your re-entry hasn't gone by unnoticed I see
Great idea and I'm looking forward to see how this project evolves.

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, Fonz!

It's been too long and thanks dude

[Useless]

Originally Posted by kristian

MovieLinkList.com

MrsMovies.com

Do you like them?

You've owned "movielinklist.com" for 2 years and you're asking my advice? I'm not very fond of mrsmovies.com, but movielinklist has a certian ring of the obvious to it. I like it.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That little fuck is still whimpering over this thread...

Ahhh - ok - that explain why Jim's ignoring him in the Javes thread as well

[kristian]

Originally Posted by roba59

I registered an expired domain. Does that count as new one or as old one??

Hi Roba

There are some experienced expired domain buyers. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them. lol Here is something though.

[kristian]

Originally Posted by glowlite

"I'd suggest using an old domain that doesn't have anything special on the root."

".... it's a good thing if it already has some pages listed in the SEs."

WTF ?????????????

I thought it was "Useless Warrior", not "Clueless Warrior".

Correct me if I'm wrong.

This is sound advice from UW, dude. Consider yourself corrected.

[kristian]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You've owned "movielinklist.com" for 2 years and you're asking my advice? I'm not very fond of mrsmovies.com, but movielinklist has a certian ring of the obvious to it. I like it.

Your site is kicking a-hole in the SERPS dude. Get used to it. I'll be asking your advice every fucking day. lol

Will move MovieLinkList.com to the head of the general list. I like it for branding. Just wish it had a keyphrase I'm gunning for.

[docholly]

Great Thread and Thanks Kristen for starting it and GG&J for giving it legs and wings.

I'm with UW.. I love that name mrsmovies.com but the obvious choice would be movielinklist.com.

This will be an interesting watch and perhaps one of our many hubs will finally hatch to a LL. *ducking from tart*

[alessandro]

That's exactly what I did, I converted an almost 2 years old domain into a general linklist ( the domain had PR, pages listed and some traffic already ) and several 1-2 years old niche domains into niche LLs. I have to say it's way better to turn an old domain into a LL instead of starting with a newly registered domain. It's easier for finding linking partners too.

[Simon]

Hiya Kristian

I didn't know you before, but it's nice to have you here now.

This thread is one that I hope will be with us a long time. Like you, I've tried almost every part of the adult online biz over the years. For me it was TGPs and LLs that I hadn't really done much with until now.

I recently took an old domain (www.xratedtv.com) and converted it into what will become a site that lists both free movie sites and movie galleries. I agree that using an older domain can give you a little jump on things. You can see these two Google searches for direct evidence that it's worth using old domains when you can. The new site was at #2 for both of these searches when I posted this:
x-rated porn movies and x-rated porn videos

Right now my XRT site only has sponsor movie galleries, as I practice learning some of the back end, so it's easy to call it a general MGP. I'm not sure exactly what the correct term for it will be when it has both free movie sites and movie galleries in its listings. I don't guess the surfers will care much though, as long as they find things they like there every time they visit.

I'm about ready to begin the LL additions for my XRT site, and I'm adding a blog there too, which is also something new for me. So this thread could not come at at better time as far as I'm concerned. I know I'll learn a lot from the more experienced posters here, and I'll be happy to contribute any interesting, corroborating, or contradictory evidence I uncover in my own site development as you move along with your project.

All good wishes for much success!


Simon

P.S. I have a few other old domains that I'm looking at for a TGP (photos+movies) and for some pure LL+blog combinations. I wouldn't be surprised if this thread inspires me to move a little faster on at least one of those.

[kristian]

Originally Posted by docholly

Great Thread and Thanks Kristen for starting it and GG&J for giving it legs and wings.

I'm with UW.. I love that name mrsmovies.com but the obvious choice would be movielinklist.com.

This will be an interesting watch and perhaps one of our many hubs will finally hatch to a LL. *ducking from tart*

Another vote for MovieLinkList.com!

Good to have you here, docholly

[kristian]

Originally Posted by Simon

Hiya Kristian

I didn't know you before, but it's nice to have you here now.

This thread is one that I hope will be with us a long time. Like you, I've tried almost every part of the adult online biz over the years. For me it was TGPs and LLs that I hadn't really done much with until now.

I recently took an old domain (www.xratedtv.com) and converted it into what will become a site that lists both free movie sites and movie galleries. I agree that using an older domain can give you a little jump on things. You can see these two Google searches for direct evidence that it's worth using old domains when you can. The new site was at #2 for both of these searches when I posted this:
x-rated porn movies and x-rated porn videos

Right now my XRT site only has sponsor movie galleries, as I practice learning some of the back end, so it's easy to call it a general MGP. I'm not sure exactly what the correct term for it will be when it has both free movie sites and movie galleries in its listings. I don't guess the surfers will care much though, as long as they find things they like there every time they visit.

I'm about ready to begin the LL additions for my XRT site, and I'm adding a blog there too, which is also something new for me. So this thread could not come at at better time as far as I'm concerned. I know I'll learn a lot from the more experienced posters here, and I'll be happy to contribute any interesting, corroborating, or contradictory evidence I uncover in my own site development as you move along with your project.

All good wishes for much success!


Simon

P.S. I have a few other old domains that I'm looking at for a TGP (photos+movies) and for some pure LL+blog combinations. I wouldn't be surprised if this thread inspires me to move a little faster on at least one of those.

Hey Simon

Great post and great to know you dude!

That example is certainly helping to make up my mind. And about the blog. I'm a firm believer in that being an excellent seo strategy. It doesn't matter what I do (well, almost), I like to put a blog on a subdomain. A few minutes a day is well worth it. If you get too many blogs you can also outsource it to labor for about 4 bucks an article, although I know purists hate that approach.

Since we're in similar boats this should be good. A bit like an exam revision club back in school, comparing answers, asking questions. Oh yes, I was one of those geeks. |shocking|

[MrYum]

Another vote for movielinklist.com here...sweet domain name

The other domain...mrsmovies.com definitely has a nice ring to it too. Perhaps a secondary project as a for women movies only link list. The for women market is still under developed...could be a sweet and profitable niche site

I'd also suggest not going cheap on hosting. I've tried it twice over the years...it ended up sucking both times. About the last thing you want to be dealing with when trying to launch and grow a site is hosting problems.

[kristian]

The Niche

So the niche will be movies. I feel there's still enough of a gap in the market to make entry feasible. The possibility of a niche movie site was brought up by Greenguy. I decided last night I will definitely setup a niche movie list, but not with this project. I'm worried about content and I know, by the time I'm ready to do a niche movie list, there will be more than enough movie free sites in every niche.

Domain Name Choice

Choosing a domain is always what slows up my projects. There are just so many questions. SEO questions alone number dozens and no one can ever agree on the right answers.

The agreement in seo is that the google algorithm places less emphasis on keywords and can, for some time now, parse keywords in domains. Branding and brandable domains are becoming the choice. Of course it would be nice to own keyword(dot)com or even keywordkeyword(dot)com but these usually aren't available. Far more important (correct me if I'm wrong) than keywords in domains are title tags, keyword density, and relevant backlinks, among other things.

In choosing my domain for this project, I'm looking for something brandable (therefore, easy to remember) and containing at least one of my keywords / phrases: movies, movie, porn movie, porn movies, free movies, free porn movies, so on.

The Domain

My top choice right now is MovieLinkList.com. I own the variations on this one and have owned it for 2 years come this August.

It has movie in the title which is ok and I'm thinking it's a fairly easy to remember, descriptive name. My only reservation is that it has nothing to denote it being adult in the name. However, this isn't really that important. TimsMovies(dot)com doesn't exactly scream hardcore mpegs.

The shortlisted domains are :

MrsMovies.com
MovieFreeSites.com
MoviePornSites.com
PornMovieEngine.com
PornMoviesEngine.com
PlayMyPorn.com
PornMovieDirectory.com
PornMoviesDirectory.com

Summary

Will go with a general movie link list, probably using the domain MovieLinkList.com.

Now why couldn't I have just written that??? lol