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Josh@MetalCash · 2006-03-30, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

From what I'm reading here, the problem seems fairly obvious (pun intended) - the people who run Metal Cash are a bunch of unbelievably ignorant cunts who don't have enough affiliates to make their program worth running, so they're spending their afternoon here continuing this piss thread in order to draw attention to themselves. A roadkill racoon's ass which as been rotting in the sun for three days would leave a better taste in my mouth than Metal Cash's performance here today.

I've had a few sponsor reps hit me up in the past with nothing more than a "hey there, I'm your rep, let me know if you need anything" and they always know enough to leave me alone when I don't express any interest. Good on 'em. But that CaptainOrifice dude is one dumb fucker. That, or he's just starved or attention. He's a neglected child wandering around looking for hugs. It's all so sad.

Wow, you really are a useless warrior. I am not surprised at all that over 70% of your posts is insults.

Good job you are an experienced keyboard warrior, you should get a medal from everyone here.

Toby · 2006-03-30, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sukime69

...I just dont see how anybody could miss that. Is it just me??

Nope, not just you. I only see two people posting in this thread that have missed that.

fetish1 · 2006-03-30, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fetish1

Hmm, with the board member count here being: 5,928 ya think they MAY have cut their own throats with more than just GG?

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

doubtful but thanks for your concern

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Originally Posted by Toby

I can also guarantee you that none of his salary will ever be in part paid from any sales I might have sent your direction.

But that just can't be Toby...C.O. already stated that they have done themselves NO damage here!

Josh@MetalCash · 2006-03-30, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sukime69

OK, let me get this right to make sure I can read and understand.....

This started as "I want to help you" and turned into the "dont be an asshole" remark. Seems somebody missed a few lessons in Basic Customer Service 101. Anybody that worked for me that did that would be out the door immediately.

But the thing that I find the most offensive is Josh coming in and trying to back him up and justify his inexcusable behaviour. If it we me and I was the bos there, I would be coming in trying to clean up the mess that had been made, not jumping in the ring to sling punches myself.

I do run an affiliate program and realize that not only are my affiliates also my customers, they rank right up there as the most important. I just dont see how anybody could miss that. Is it just me??

When people insult me and my program it's offensive and it's like punching me. When someone punches me I don't sit around and do nothing.

Sorry if you don't like my practices. Best of luck with your program.

juggernaut · 2006-03-30, 03:31 PM

This is so simple. DUDE you came at GG with an offer. He told you no. Then you hard press. Please, your not making much of a case here in fact you are killing your own program. The shit has not even started and you are just being so stupid. You must have went to some fucked up business school. Heres some advice on which you could have avoided this whole nightmare. You come on the board say, sorry I was over worked blah blah. And forget it. Tomorrow is another day, and you still hold face and get get traffic. Now you are just looking to kill the site before it ever gets off the ground. Sit back have a drink and think about how you are going about business right now and how it's going to be screwed down the road. Heres the post, if it's wrong or edited then put up your side.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
because I do very little with galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
may I ask why you aren't interested? these sites are selling like crazy

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks (RIGHT HERE TIME TO SAY OK THANKS MAN HAVE A GOOD ONE)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Can I get you a list of galleries so you can import them into your script?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I have about 350 hosted galleries with long descriptions for the 123 program
right now in cumshot, hardcore and amateur niches

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
the way it works is your surfers pay $1.23/month and you get $12.30 per join
(or $10 per join with cf)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I wanted to tell you about a new program we have called the 123 Program

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Good I'm your account rep at Metal Cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
To : Greenguy
yup

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hi still around?

Maybe some webmasters make more then the program so what does that have to do with tea in china? They help you!! Don't be a dumbass.

YaFool · 2006-03-30, 03:36 PM

Hello

I think obviously not good name for the representative of the available money of metal. Except that it will be obviously asshoel

YaFoool

plateman · 2006-03-30, 03:37 PM

Hi metal cash guys, I joined your program yesterday and talked with one of you on icq with a couple of questions I had, and I wont be promting your program.. insight of this thread, I'll leave the links I put up but thats about it....

Josh@MetalCash · 2006-03-30, 03:38 PM

If he were to stop right there, personally I think that's bad repping.

After he said he wasn't interested in galleries he offered him links to paysites which he is pushing right now. How is that wrong?

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

This is so simple. DUDE you came at GG with an offer. He told you no. Then you hard press. Please, your not making much of a case here in fact you are killing your own program. The shit has not even started and you are just being so stupid. You must have went to some fucked up business school. Heres some advice on which you could have avoided this whole nightmare. You come on the board say, sorry I was over worked blah blah. And forget it. Tomorrow is another day, and you still hold face and get get traffic. Now you are just looking to kill the site before it ever gets off the ground. Sit back have a drink and think about how you are going about business right now and how it's going to be screwed down the road. Heres the post, if it's wrong or edited then put up your side.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
because I do very little with galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
may I ask why you aren't interested? these sites are selling like crazy

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks (RIGHT HERE TIME TO SAY OK THANKS MAN HAVE A GOOD ONE)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Can I get you a list of galleries so you can import them into your script?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I have about 350 hosted galleries with long descriptions for the 123 program
right now in cumshot, hardcore and amateur niches

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
the way it works is your surfers pay $1.23/month and you get $12.30 per join
(or $10 per join with cf)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I wanted to tell you about a new program we have called the 123 Program

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Good I'm your account rep at Metal Cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
To : Greenguy
yup

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hi still around?

Maybe some webmasters make more then the program so what does that have to do with tea in china? They help you!! Don't be a dumbass.

Useless · 2006-03-30, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

Wow, you really are a useless warrior.

And again, I shall reply with "wow, never heard that one before".

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

Good job you are an experienced keyboard warrior, you should get a medal from everyone here.

Oddly enough, I have medals, but not for responding to threads. Do they have such things? By the way, the 'warrior' has nothing to do with the way in which I respond to cocksuckers on the board. I chose that name long before I got burned out reading posts by people like you and your little retarded monkeyboy.

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

When people insult me and my program it's offensive and it's like punching me. When someone punches me I don't sit around and do nothing.

Fuck you and fuck your little program. The correct thing to do would have been to come here and apologize for hiring an ex used car salesman for an affiliate rep.

All you've managed to do is make more work for assholes like me. Now, every time someone on the board asks what sort of experience we've had with Metal Cash, I have to point them to this thread. That that copying and pasting and can tire me out.

Josh@MetalCash · 2006-03-30, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

And again, I shall reply with "wow, never heard that one before".
Oddly enough, I have medals, but not for responding to threads. Do they have such things? By the way, the 'warrior' has nothing to do with the way in which I respond to cocksuckers on the board. I chose that name long before I got burned out reading posts by people like you and your little retarded monkeyboy.Fuck you and fuck your little program. The correct thing to do would have been to come here and apologize for hiring an ex used car salesman for an affiliate rep.

All you've managed to do is make more work for assholes like me. Now, every time someone on the board asks what sort of experience we've had with Metal Cash, I have to point them to this thread. That that copying and pasting and can tire me out.

Make sure you bookmark the thread then so you don't have to search all the time.

I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.

Useless · 2006-03-30, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.

Well, then you're wrong. Your rep is obviously an annoying little fuck and that's what you want. Fine. Good for you. No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types. You are dismissed.

Toby · 2006-03-30, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.

The fact that so many people overwhelmingly disagree with you doesn't make you stop to think that perhaps you should reconsider that position?

Josh@MetalCash · 2006-03-30, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Well, then you're wrong. Your rep is obviously an annoying little fuck and that's what you want. Fine. Good for you. No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types. You are dismissed.

You aren't all that dude. Stop thinking you are. It's you that's coming off as annoying actually.

Not once did we say affiliates are useless please stop spreading such libel.

Thanks!

Josh@MetalCash · 2006-03-30, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby

The fact that so many people overwhelmingly disagree with you doesn't make you stop to think that perhaps you should reconsider that position?

No. I don't conform just because many people think one thing. Sorry.

Toby · 2006-03-30, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

No. I don't conform just because many people think one thing. Sorry.

Sometimes you conform, because it's good business to do so. But I wouldn't expect you to understand such a far sighted concept.

juggernaut · 2006-03-30, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

If he were to stop right there, personally I think that's bad repping.

1st he is not pushing here, you are he has posted maybe 3 or 4 times on this topic. Everyone else is pushing. You, me and the other members.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

After he said he wasn't interested in galleries he offered him links to paysites which he is pushing right now. How is that wrong?

The thing I see wrong here is he said he was not interested, even if you were trying to remind him that he is promoing something for you already own it don't matter. He said no thanks. Any smart salesman knows when to back off and come back another day. They surly know not to insult a partner. That's just crazy. Sure GG called the guy an asshole at that point the guy should have just backed off and said sorry to bother you. He made it clear he was having a bad day/night leave him alone. Try again the next day. Maybe try a differant route, e-mail during the day, explain you ment no harm and would like to keep up good business and I bet he would talk it over with you. The guy helps people out and has for sometime, people like that are not assholes but everyone has a breaking point. Thing is a smart salesman knows when to back off and yours did not. Now you are here defending him and your program trying to save face but your not helping. Best advice I can give you now is just let it die man.

Jim · 2006-03-30, 04:03 PM

I guess I will chime in...
I have run affiliate programs from 1996-3 years ago the 1st of this month. And yes, I have used icq to both offer new sites and programs to existing affiliates and to entice new affiliates. But never, have I been rude to anyone that said no to me. Even if they were rude to me, I apologized for bothering them and moved on. Never, would I ever consider calling an existing affiliate an asshole. That is just bad for business. And, I would have never considered contacting the existing affiliate without knowing everything I could about not only their traffic but also them, personally. Nothing works quite as well as asking about the family. Knowing Greenie the way I do, if your sites worked well for him, he would have jumped all over them and promoted them to death.

The other thing I would have done as the owner of that program would have to come here and to apologize for their employee, not stick up for them.

The problem with Marketing people that don't know how to market is the attitude mentioned earlier. The affiliate is not our customer. While technically that is true, they should still be treated that way. Affiliates are your bread and butter.

And if some of the linklist owners here (and there are a lot), decided to make it a rule, "If you promote MetalCash, you will not be listed", how much do you think that would hurt?

This entire problem started with someone trying to market that really has no idea what they are doing.

Chop Smith · 2006-03-30, 04:03 PM

When do we begin referring to MetalCash as @!not$|?>?

Useless · 2006-03-30, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

You aren't all that dude. Stop thinking you are. It's you that's coming off as annoying actually.

Boy, don't I feel humbled. I don't know how I am going live with myself knowing that Josh from Metal Cash doesn't love or respect me. With all of the support Metal Cash has seen here today, it's simply amazing that I don't feel wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

Not once did we say affiliates are useless please stop spreading such libel.

Oh grow up! What was libelous about my statement? "No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types." Where did I state that Metal Cash believes affiliates are useless?

Useless · 2006-03-30, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chop Smith

When do we begin referring to MetalCash as @!not$|?>?

Careful Chop! Josh is on the phone with his attorney right now seeing what he can do about squelching everyones opinions of MetalCash.

This thread is excellent SE fodder for both 'Metal Cash' and 'MetalCash' searches.

Carl · 2006-03-30, 04:07 PM

Maybe I was reading it wrong, but you said all he needed to do was say no thanks... Is this not what he said? Maybe Obvious said it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks

He didnt say maybe, he didnt say later, he didnt say next week.

He said "no thanks". He was trying to say no, and be nice...

I have some advice for you guys...

If some one says something bad about you, your program, or the people who work for you. Say you are sorry for what ever problem that may have been caused, and that you will fix it, or try to fix it.

Do not go to a webmaster board with tons of people who could be sending you traffic, and making you money. To start talking shit about one of the guys the board is named after.

Boogie · 2006-03-30, 04:08 PM

this thread is great

Useless · 2006-03-30, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl

Do not go to a webmaster board with tons of people who could be sending you traffic, and making you money. To start talking shit about one of the guys the board is named after.

Plus, this is THE board for link list owners and free site builders. Out of hundreds of link lists, we all know that there are only about 15-20 lists which control the traffic and, among them, there is only a handful of owners that are well-know and respected. CaptainObvious, not realizing who he was speaking with (as a good rep should), called very possibly the single most respected and influential link list owner an asshole. Just plain bad business.

Greenguy · 2006-03-30, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Lots of webmasters did two sales with our program, more did one, we have smaller webmasters and bigger webmasters, you're in the middle.

If you think our #1-13 affiliates do 1-2 joins a day each you're straight out wrong....

I never said any of that. What I said was that I'm ranked 14th & I've done 2 sales in this pay period (2 weeks). So obviously, 1 thru 13 have 2 or more sales in the last 2 weeks. My comments was that based off your numbers of contacting 400 webmasters by ICQ instead of sending out a newsletter is this: I don't think you have more than 400 webmasters & that a newsletter would have been just fine. I think your little ICQ fest was a way to make all of your affiliates feel special & warm & cozy because you're letting them in on a "secret" I was also attempting to make a jab that if I'm 14th with 2 sales this pay period, then I....well, I'll let others draw their own conclusions

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

...I don't understand where you guys get the "cold calls" and "telemarketing" bullshit from - I'm not trying to sell you anything, I just wanted to tell you about our new sites.

I don't care if you only have 1 site, I start off with everybody giving them galleries to see where they direct me since MOST webmasters own more than 1 site - you're the ONLY person to turn it into such a big issue...

If you assume that every webmaster has a TGP, then you are a complete ass & you have no business as a marketing rep. You should have done some homework.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Affiliates are everything right? Everybody knows paysites can't thrive without affiliates! ...

Then why even have the program? Close it down if affiliates don't mean that much to you.

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

I have never once, not once been left alone after I've said "No thanks" to an affiliate manager.

If an affiliate manger quits there, they are bad reps....

So because you've been treated with disrespect in the past, you advise your people to treat affiliates with disrespect as well?

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

...We have many tools to offer so if an affiliate doesn't like one, we can offer them more.

So why not start out by saying that instead of assuming that everyone needs galleries?

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

Obviously neither of you run affiliate programs. To think that the first 10affiliates aren't doing 200+ sales a period each is being oblvious and stupid.

Obviously there is a drop, but I doubt it comes right at 10.

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Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash

When people insult me and my program it's offensive and it's like punching me. When someone punches me I don't sit around and do nothing...

Now you know how I felt as soon as CaptainObvious asked me if I wanted some galleries for my script.

MrYum · 2006-03-30, 04:24 PM

Wow! This thread became a party! And quite an enlightening one at that! Kinda interesting to watch a program burn bridges in a public forum

I'm not even going to repeat all the obvious things...it's already been said so many times and OBVIOUSLY isn't getting through

Ummm...Josh, if you think this thread hasn't cost you affiliates...you might just be more clueless than your monkey boy

Agreed UW, let's make sure this thread pops up on searches for Metal Cash

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2006-03-30, 03:37 PM	#82
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2006-03-30, 04:24 PM	#100
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2006-03-30, 03:31 PM	#80
juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	This is so simple. DUDE you came at GG with an offer. He told you no. Then you hard press. Please, your not making much of a case here in fact you are killing your own program. The shit has not even started and you are just being so stupid. You must have went to some fucked up business school. Heres some advice on which you could have avoided this whole nightmare. You come on the board say, sorry I was over worked blah blah. And forget it. Tomorrow is another day, and you still hold face and get get traffic. Now you are just looking to kill the site before it ever gets off the ground. Sit back have a drink and think about how you are going about business right now and how it's going to be screwed down the road. Heres the post, if it's wrong or edited then put up your side. Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM To : Greenguy because I do very little with galleries Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM From : Captain Obvious may I ask why you aren't interested? these sites are selling like crazy Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM To : Greenguy no thanks (RIGHT HERE TIME TO SAY OK THANKS MAN HAVE A GOOD ONE) Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM From : Captain Obvious Can I get you a list of galleries so you can import them into your script? Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM From : Captain Obvious I have about 350 hosted galleries with long descriptions for the 123 program right now in cumshot, hardcore and amateur niches Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM From : Captain Obvious the way it works is your surfers pay $1.23/month and you get $12.30 per join (or $10 per join with cf) Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM From : Captain Obvious I wanted to tell you about a new program we have called the 123 Program Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM From : Captain Obvious Good I'm your account rep at Metal Cash Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM To : Greenguy yup Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM From : Captain Obvious Hi still around? Maybe some webmasters make more then the program so what does that have to do with tea in china? They help you!! Don't be a dumbass.

2006-03-30, 04:03 PM	#92
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	I guess I will chime in... I have run affiliate programs from 1996-3 years ago the 1st of this month. And yes, I have used icq to both offer new sites and programs to existing affiliates and to entice new affiliates. But never, have I been rude to anyone that said no to me. Even if they were rude to me, I apologized for bothering them and moved on. Never, would I ever consider calling an existing affiliate an asshole. That is just bad for business. And, I would have never considered contacting the existing affiliate without knowing everything I could about not only their traffic but also them, personally. Nothing works quite as well as asking about the family. Knowing Greenie the way I do, if your sites worked well for him, he would have jumped all over them and promoted them to death. The other thing I would have done as the owner of that program would have to come here and to apologize for their employee, not stick up for them. The problem with Marketing people that don't know how to market is the attitude mentioned earlier. The affiliate is not our customer. While technically that is true, they should still be treated that way. Affiliates are your bread and butter. And if some of the linklist owners here (and there are a lot), decided to make it a rule, "If you promote MetalCash, you will not be listed", how much do you think that would hurt? This entire problem started with someone trying to market that really has no idea what they are doing.