Crazy Old Google

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-08-31, 11:03 AM

Hi All,

This week, Tuesday and Wednesday specifically, traffic tripled (actually it was close to being quadrupled) to one of our sites. The search terms that we were getting traffic for went from about 15,000 per day to over 81,000 per day from google...I'm talking search terms that we actually get traffic for here, not unique visitors (some of them we get over 5,000 unique visitors per day per term, some we only get 1 visitor per day on).

Then on Thursday, it all went right back down to what the site's been getting for months. Understand the site does well, just not as well as it has done over the last 4 years.

I'm just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them this week. Or did you have the opposite happen Tuesday and Wednesday, 8/28 & 29, of this week?

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened?

LowryBigwood · 2007-08-31, 11:07 AM

I haven't noticed anything this week, but recently my main site tripleXworld has seen some very good jumps in google traffic for a few days and then poof.. it's gone. I thought I was about to get back some of my lost traffic from a few months ago, but it was just a tease.

It's all over the place from what I can tell. Up and down constantly for me except for a few solid terms that tend to hold for a while.

Useless · 2007-08-31, 11:43 AM

You ever see a spark as you're pulling a plug out of an outlet? That's what that spike is?

I kid.

The link list that I shut down earlier this week, which was due to the continuous complete lack of traffic, just saw a spike of uniques from Google yesterday, and it's still receiving much more Google traffic today than it ever had before.

When I say 'spike', I mean 13X what it has ever received from Google on any single day during it's entire history. It's still not shit compared to a successful list, but I don't like to compare my sites to successful ones anyway.

I have a theory as to why the big G has suddenly decided show a small amount of praise towards Earl, but I'm not going to say it out loud because I don't want to make an ass of myself.

Preacher · 2007-08-31, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...because I don't want to make an ass of myself.

Since when?

LowryBigwood · 2007-08-31, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

The link list that I shut down earlier this week, which was due to the continuous complete lack of traffic, just saw a spike of uniques from Google yesterday, and it's still receiving much more Google traffic today than it ever had before.

When I say 'spike', I mean 13X what it has ever received from Google on any single day during it's entire history. It's still not shit compared to a successful list, but I don't like to compare my sites to successful ones anyway.

You might as well re-open. You never know what the se gods will do for your site, but it's your choice. Seems like a lot of work to waste to me.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-08-31, 01:12 PM

Useless Warrior, care to share your theory in a PM? I'll keep what you say to myself. I have some theories too, but didn't want to overwhelm this thread with my own theories. I was hoping some other folks might offer a fresh/different perspective.

Bill · 2007-08-31, 03:36 PM

I've heard talk about the big bump, but nobody I know has a theory yet.

My theory is the standard - they are messing with algo changes, snapping various filters in and out of place, so for a short period there was the equivalent of one of the older filter settings.

The question is, if this is experimentation and filter testing, what will the new default state be after this testing phase.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-08-31, 05:16 PM

That is one of my theories as well, Bill. One of the reasons that I made this post was to see if anyone else had this happen to them.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-08-31, 05:17 PM

Want to see something (that I find) interesting? Look at Alexa's traffic details for your favorite link lists and tgp's. I looked at a bunch of them and most showed a drop off on their graph for the last few days (of course these stats are a few days behind because of the way that Alexa works). Normally, I'd discount this as a problem with Alexa but Debauchery's numbers showed an (accurate) increase over that same time frame.

Bill · 2007-08-31, 06:14 PM

Seperate topic, but have you gotten a response to your reinclusion test yet?

Referring to your alexa thoughts - it's been my opinion for a while that since tgps have tended not to suffer as much as linklists in this new google, that looking at tgps might give us useful clues.

So it confirms that line of thought to hear that alexa drops tgps at the same time that a noticable bump happens for lls.

However, you say that major lls also suffered a drop.

Linkster · 2007-08-31, 06:51 PM

Im waiting out for the other shoe to drop - Ive basically been out of Google on one LL for exactly one year - and came back 2 days ago - I have two theories on what is happening but I will only talk about one right now
DMOZ has reorganized their index and setup on their servers over the last few months - for as long as I can remember they have been set up with really bad mirrors and canonical problems - and have fixed that recently so that everything comes from the www.dmoz.org site now - and since we know that google has always given a special meaning to dmoz links and they also automatically give you a link from google as well - and given that google has been reindexing dmoz into their directory like a buzzing bee for the last week or so - maybe this is partly a fallout of that

The other theory starts with they have removed some filters from last years big daddy update - but I cant prove that one yet - we'll have to wait and see what happens at the end of the summer when they normally put all filters back on

A third and less appealing theory has to do with individual sites - and not worth discussing as I dont have any proof - yet

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-08-31, 08:25 PM

Yep Bill, both link lists and tgp's show a drop over the last few days at Alexa, at least most of the ones that I looked at. One of the things that I did was a search at google for "free sex pics" and looked at all of the tgp's (all of the top 10 were tgp's) and all but #10 showed a drop. Then I looked at some of the bigger link lists like penisbot, hoes, etc. Everyone showed that drop.

On our re-inclusion request, nothing. We haven't seen traffic go up or down and haven't heard a peep from google. Don't even know if they've read it. It's been a bit over a month now, I believe.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-08-31, 08:30 PM

That's interesting Linkster. Mine began to trend down not quite a year ago. As I mentioned in the beginning of this thread, it came back earlier this week, stayed that way for two days, and now it appears that it's heading back down to where it's been for a while now. Certainly not dead, matter of fact we still do well with it. It's just not a "home run" like it had been for the previous 3 or 4 years.

So your LL went back up this week and is still up?

I'm wondering if over this weekend (remember google used to like dancing on holiday weekends) if google will re-adjust those filters and my site will bounce back up.

Halfdeck · 2007-09-01, 07:02 AM

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DMOZ has reorganized their index and setup on their servers over the last few months

Interesting point Linkster, though I don't see canonicial fixes, even on a site as large as DMOZ (and granted, they had some serious canonical problems), having a big impact on LL's listed there. Canonical fixes mainly impact PageRank calculation, and PageRank has never been DMOZ's selling point.

Linkster · 2007-09-01, 07:20 AM

Halfdeck - thats actually the overall point - since they are no longer dividing it between all of their mirrors (.com etc) and not splitting between the non-www and www (which they were) - this will have the effect of raising the PR calc quite substantially - of course its going to be a slow process with a recalc of half a million URLs they have - but should be beneficial in the long run

Halfdeck · 2007-09-01, 07:59 AM

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this will have the effect of raising the PR calc quite substantially

Right. My point is you can get PageRank from virtually anywhere. DMOZ's influence over search results has more to do with it being a great candidate as a seed site when running various algorithms. For example, Hub/authority based algo where DMOZ is used as a seed for generating a set of good authorities and hubs. Or a TrustRank-type algo where DMOZ is used as a seed to generate a list of sites that link out to high quality sites (I'm not claiming those algos are actually in place). Add to that the fact that a listing in DMOZ or Yahoo! Directory are positive quality signals that tell Google my site isn't a 2-week-wonder spam. Fluctuations in PageRank will have an effect, but my bet is the effect would be minor. One way to check is to look at the number of urls you have in Google's main index by running a "site:domain.com/*" command. If number of results hasn't changed dramatically, I'd assume your site's link pop hasn't changed all that much either.

plateman · 2007-09-01, 10:18 AM

I wasnt gonna post cause in the past I've jinked my se listings and they went away|shocking|

but what the hell, I picked up some nice terms between pages 1 and 3 of the serps...

as far as theories go I agree with linkster

I also think that these serps are gonna stick for awhile, have a gut feeling

Preacher · 2007-09-01, 12:26 PM

For quite a while now when I've searched for the name of one of my sites it's been pinned near the 950-1000 rank. Today it appears on page 1.

tickler · 2007-09-01, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Right. My point is you can get PageRank from virtually anywhere. ...... Add to that the fact that a listing in DMOZ or Yahoo! Directory are positive quality signals that tell Google my site isn't a 2-week-wonder spam.

I just noticed that some of my long running links are starting to show up in the top 5 SERPs. So since Yahoo has some of my links showing up, maybe Google will be nice and pickup my Yahoo links.

Viper · 2007-09-01, 02:37 PM

This has been happening with google for a couple weeks at least now... I have had several sites do the same thing.. They jump way up in the SERPS for a day or 2, doubling, tripling and in one case 4x the traffic and then drop right back down to the same level they were before. And it's happened more than once on a couple sites... None of these sites are in DMOZ... I don't know what it is but I suspect some sort of algo change.

CaptainJSparrow · 2007-09-01, 04:16 PM

Viper, we've had 4 different sites spike way up, once each, since June. Each time it stays up for a few days then goes back to normal. Kinda weird, I'm wondering if it's an algo change why it wouldn't happen to more sites, or even those 4 sites, all at the same time.

Starting this thread, I was wondering if anyone else's sites spiked way up Tuesday and Wednesday this week and then went back to normal. Had it happened to alot of folks at the same time, it would be more indicative of an algo change or filter adjustment.

Viper · 2007-09-01, 05:45 PM

Tues one of my sites jumped way up.. it's been slipping but it's remained significantly higher than it was prior to tues. This one is probably not related to this...

An "old" established site went up 2.5x Sun, Mon then dropped back down.. Jumped back up again on Thurs and so far has stayed there... Have another site that's not that old but also followed that pattern.

An "old" established site started up late Wed.. Thurs & Fri 4x the traffic... looks like today it's going back to where it was before.

An "old" established site jumped 4x Thurs & Fri... looks like today it's going back to where it was before.

Almost all these sites are primarily SEO type sites so I can see changes a lot easier with them... I don't have the stats from the last couples week readily available to be able to check when some of the other ones went thru the same stuff..

Why wouldn't it happen to all of them at the same time etc? Different data centers I suspect. i.e. more like a rolling burp or test at this point. At this point, none of these "burps" have held.

xxxjay · 2007-09-06, 04:33 AM

I need to read this whole thread...lol

Fonz · 2007-09-06, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Ive basically been out of Google on one LL for exactly one year - and came back 2 days ago

Same here, been scoring ok with my old keywords for a week now.

Halfdeck · 2007-09-06, 09:22 AM

Jay, you got a pretty big site. Do you see Google sending traffic to any of your pages that used to be labeled supplemental?

2007-08-31, 11:07 AM	#2
LowryBigwood Don't get discouraged; it's usually the last key that opens the lock... Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,203	I haven't noticed anything this week, but recently my main site tripleXworld has seen some very good jumps in google traffic for a few days and then poof.. it's gone. I thought I was about to get back some of my lost traffic from a few months ago, but it was just a tease. It's all over the place from what I can tell. Up and down constantly for me except for a few solid terms that tend to hold for a while. __________________ Free Porn Buddy \| Porn Buddy Blog

2007-08-31, 11:43 AM	#3
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	You ever see a spark as you're pulling a plug out of an outlet? That's what that spike is? I kid. The link list that I shut down earlier this week, which was due to the continuous complete lack of traffic, just saw a spike of uniques from Google yesterday, and it's still receiving much more Google traffic today than it ever had before. When I say 'spike', I mean 13X what it has ever received from Google on any single day during it's entire history. It's still not shit compared to a successful list, but I don't like to compare my sites to successful ones anyway. I have a theory as to why the big G has suddenly decided show a small amount of praise towards Earl, but I'm not going to say it out loud because I don't want to make an ass of myself. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2007-08-31, 06:51 PM	#11
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Im waiting out for the other shoe to drop - Ive basically been out of Google on one LL for exactly one year - and came back 2 days ago - I have two theories on what is happening but I will only talk about one right now DMOZ has reorganized their index and setup on their servers over the last few months - for as long as I can remember they have been set up with really bad mirrors and canonical problems - and have fixed that recently so that everything comes from the www.dmoz.org site now - and since we know that google has always given a special meaning to dmoz links and they also automatically give you a link from google as well - and given that google has been reindexing dmoz into their directory like a buzzing bee for the last week or so - maybe this is partly a fallout of that The other theory starts with they have removed some filters from last years big daddy update - but I cant prove that one yet - we'll have to wait and see what happens at the end of the summer when they normally put all filters back on A third and less appealing theory has to do with individual sites - and not worth discussing as I dont have any proof - yet __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2007-09-01, 07:20 AM	#15
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Halfdeck - thats actually the overall point - since they are no longer dividing it between all of their mirrors (.com etc) and not splitting between the non-www and www (which they were) - this will have the effect of raising the PR calc quite substantially - of course its going to be a slow process with a recalc of half a million URLs they have - but should be beneficial in the long run __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2007-09-01, 10:18 AM	#17
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	I wasnt gonna post cause in the past I've jinked my se listings and they went away\|shocking\| but what the hell, I picked up some nice terms between pages 1 and 3 of the serps... as far as theories go I agree with linkster I also think that these serps are gonna stick for awhile, have a gut feeling __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2007-08-31, 11:03 AM	#1
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Crazy Old Google Hi All, This week, Tuesday and Wednesday specifically, traffic tripled (actually it was close to being quadrupled) to one of our sites. The search terms that we were getting traffic for went from about 15,000 per day to over 81,000 per day from google...I'm talking search terms that we actually get traffic for here, not unique visitors (some of them we get over 5,000 unique visitors per day per term, some we only get 1 visitor per day on). Then on Thursday, it all went right back down to what the site's been getting for months. Understand the site does well, just not as well as it has done over the last 4 years. I'm just wondering if anyone else had this happen to them this week. Or did you have the opposite happen Tuesday and Wednesday, 8/28 & 29, of this week? Does anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened?

2007-08-31, 01:12 PM	#6
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Useless Warrior, care to share your theory in a PM? I'll keep what you say to myself. I have some theories too, but didn't want to overwhelm this thread with my own theories. I was hoping some other folks might offer a fresh/different perspective.

2007-08-31, 03:36 PM	#7
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I've heard talk about the big bump, but nobody I know has a theory yet. My theory is the standard - they are messing with algo changes, snapping various filters in and out of place, so for a short period there was the equivalent of one of the older filter settings. The question is, if this is experimentation and filter testing, what will the new default state be after this testing phase.

2007-08-31, 05:16 PM	#8
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	That is one of my theories as well, Bill. One of the reasons that I made this post was to see if anyone else had this happen to them.

2007-08-31, 05:17 PM	#9
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Want to see something (that I find) interesting? Look at Alexa's traffic details for your favorite link lists and tgp's. I looked at a bunch of them and most showed a drop off on their graph for the last few days (of course these stats are a few days behind because of the way that Alexa works). Normally, I'd discount this as a problem with Alexa but Debauchery's numbers showed an (accurate) increase over that same time frame.

2007-08-31, 06:14 PM	#10
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Seperate topic, but have you gotten a response to your reinclusion test yet? Referring to your alexa thoughts - it's been my opinion for a while that since tgps have tended not to suffer as much as linklists in this new google, that looking at tgps might give us useful clues. So it confirms that line of thought to hear that alexa drops tgps at the same time that a noticable bump happens for lls. However, you say that major lls also suffered a drop.

2007-08-31, 08:25 PM	#12
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Yep Bill, both link lists and tgp's show a drop over the last few days at Alexa, at least most of the ones that I looked at. One of the things that I did was a search at google for "free sex pics" and looked at all of the tgp's (all of the top 10 were tgp's) and all but #10 showed a drop. Then I looked at some of the bigger link lists like penisbot, hoes, etc. Everyone showed that drop. On our re-inclusion request, nothing. We haven't seen traffic go up or down and haven't heard a peep from google. Don't even know if they've read it. It's been a bit over a month now, I believe.

2007-08-31, 08:30 PM	#13
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	That's interesting Linkster. Mine began to trend down not quite a year ago. As I mentioned in the beginning of this thread, it came back earlier this week, stayed that way for two days, and now it appears that it's heading back down to where it's been for a while now. Certainly not dead, matter of fact we still do well with it. It's just not a "home run" like it had been for the previous 3 or 4 years. So your LL went back up this week and is still up? I'm wondering if over this weekend (remember google used to like dancing on holiday weekends) if google will re-adjust those filters and my site will bounce back up.

2007-09-01, 12:26 PM	#18
Preacher There's Xanax in my thurible! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wherever they screw on my head Posts: 2,441	For quite a while now when I've searched for the name of one of my sites it's been pinned near the 950-1000 rank. Today it appears on page 1. __________________ NSCash * This Depraved World

2007-09-01, 02:37 PM	#20
Viper Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 98	This has been happening with google for a couple weeks at least now... I have had several sites do the same thing.. They jump way up in the SERPS for a day or 2, doubling, tripling and in one case 4x the traffic and then drop right back down to the same level they were before. And it's happened more than once on a couple sites... None of these sites are in DMOZ... I don't know what it is but I suspect some sort of algo change.

2007-09-01, 04:16 PM	#21
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Viper, we've had 4 different sites spike way up, once each, since June. Each time it stays up for a few days then goes back to normal. Kinda weird, I'm wondering if it's an algo change why it wouldn't happen to more sites, or even those 4 sites, all at the same time. Starting this thread, I was wondering if anyone else's sites spiked way up Tuesday and Wednesday this week and then went back to normal. Had it happened to alot of folks at the same time, it would be more indicative of an algo change or filter adjustment.

2007-09-01, 05:45 PM	#22
Viper Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 98	Tues one of my sites jumped way up.. it's been slipping but it's remained significantly higher than it was prior to tues. This one is probably not related to this... An "old" established site went up 2.5x Sun, Mon then dropped back down.. Jumped back up again on Thurs and so far has stayed there... Have another site that's not that old but also followed that pattern. An "old" established site started up late Wed.. Thurs & Fri 4x the traffic... looks like today it's going back to where it was before. An "old" established site jumped 4x Thurs & Fri... looks like today it's going back to where it was before. Almost all these sites are primarily SEO type sites so I can see changes a lot easier with them... I don't have the stats from the last couples week readily available to be able to check when some of the other ones went thru the same stuff.. Why wouldn't it happen to all of them at the same time etc? Different data centers I suspect. i.e. more like a rolling burp or test at this point. At this point, none of these "burps" have held.

2007-09-06, 04:33 AM	#23
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	I need to read this whole thread...lol __________________ Circle Of Violence

2007-09-06, 09:22 AM	#25
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	Jay, you got a pretty big site. Do you see Google sending traffic to any of your pages that used to be labeled supplemental? __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.