WTF?

[NY Jester]

Rage - well, from the first post in the original thread, the whole sale push was to get "freeloading" porn surfers to buy a paid membership to the Porn Portal "get porn 24" so the talk about credit card using surfers is kind of been bought in during these last few replies. The whole concept was to try and sell this service to the 99% of non-buying porn surfers. So where the credit card surfers came in is based on the fact if they signed up for this service theyd now be credit card using surfers, and the concern for me anyway,was that why would they pay for any of my free sites or gallery sponsors if they can pay $4.99 a month for all the "free" porn they can look at. At least thats my take on it.

J-

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

And I love how you slow thinkers bring up "proven credit card owner traffic" when they are deliberately marketing to "freeloaders". Yup, that makes sense.

That's obviously a stumbling block for them, getting those freeloaders to actually shell out the $. Once/if they do sign up, then they *are* proven credit card spenders (on porn). Either way, you either don't get the freeloader traffic, as they haven't signed up, or you do get the paying traffic.

[Extreme John]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Ok - let's try something.

http://www.getporn24.com/?cat=Unifor...ge=0&type=both

On the uniform page, there's a link to an Extreme Paycheck gallery:
http://galleries.filthynurses.com/hg...ree=milfseeker

I'll hit up Extreme John & then he can post if he's ok with this company charging surfers to view his hosted galleries.

Thank you GG.

Ive been reading through this thread and one thing that hasnt seemed to change as I continue to read on is that feeling I got when I first read the 1st few responses. It goes back to that old saying, "If it doesnt feel right, it's probably not right."

And well, this doesnt feel right. From a sponsors stand point (and many sponsors may vary on this), I have a HUGE issue with even my preview thumbs or thumbs from my exclusive soley owned (never sold as plug ins or anything else) content being used as a lead in for the purchase of some $4.99 month charge to view galleries.

Our sales tools or meant for our affiliates to use in order to generate traffic and send that traffic to us, not for our affiliates, one of their friends or a buddy to pre-sale that possible customer in hopes they might buy to our site.

Using any of the content from any of our sites to upsell or sell any membership other than our's will result in a cease order, regardless of which way the product is trying to be pushed.

Now let me ask you a question. Since your numbers reflect that 99% of surfers dont buy memberships, answer this for me:

1) If they dont buy, what makes your stuff so special that they will buy from you? I mean buying access to a bunch of non-jerkable material doesnt really solve any issue.

2) If surfers are so sick of being jurked around and they will jump at this chance to get galleries without the jerk around... Why couldnt they just visit The Hun and so many other quality sites like GG&J, etc.

3) Assuming that 99% of the surfers dont buy or that ratio's are 1:1000 might be somewhat of a mistake on your part, where is this data coming from? What research?

4) If your so confident that your system and the results it displays are so excellent, than why dont you just lose the fee idea, go with having ad's (google does and they seem to do pretty good last time I checked) and everyone will be happy.

I have always been about creative idea's and marketing, however I think this idea balances on the fence, on one side of the fence there is this site and it's creators, on the other side of the fence is everyone else in the adult webmaster community.

[Greenguy]

Well said John

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Extreme John

Using any of the content from any of our sites to upsell or sell any membership other than our's will result in a cease order, regardless of which way the product is trying to be pushed.

So how do you feel about thumb TGPs sending skimmed traffic to trades or traffic brokers?

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Jeka

1 out of 1000 is not 0.01% but 0.1% or 0.001 without %

Furthermore, you cannot say that just because only 1 out of 1000 joins all 999 others are free loaders. Many of these 999 might have joined other paysites in the past or will join in future.

In my opinion your system is a nice idea and I wouldn't mind getting proven credit card owner traffic or even free niche targeted traffic to my galleries at all.
I don't see a problem with sponsor content neither. You don't offer the people anything different than any other tgp, mgp, et al. And sponsors had no problem with tgps with banner ads to other sponsors or dating or pills upsales on the galleries neither. Additionally you don't offer full movies / picture sets but just galleries with short 30 sec clips. Thus it's not really a problem in my opinion.

As you mentioned above you don't host the content but only sell a database with links to free public content basically.

exactly my point, thank you

about the %, its more an example showing that the majority of the traffic are free loaders

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

As long as you don't mind someone else profiting from your work/content/property without you getting a cent, I suppose it's no big deal. But for me, if someone thinks that they can charge for access to my web properties, well, they have another thing coming.

That's not true, you can profit from that as well, you get traffic for free, targeted one. We send the traffic, its up to you to convert it. So you have the chance to profit.
If we were ripping away the reff ids that will be completly different thing, but we dont

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

And I love how you slow thinkers bring up "proven credit card owner traffic" when they are deliberately marketing to "freeloaders". Yup, that makes sense.

TGP traffic is also mostly free loaders, but still you get a lot of sign-ups from it.
It's not like we forbid the surfers to join your site...

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Check 1. Check 2. Is this thing on?

Fking, do you truly employ a bot to spider for your listings? How does the bot know that the galleries are clean?

Yes we do

we can't reveal the algo, it's the main thing making this conception to works properly

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Jeka

But you still get free niche traffic to your galleries and you could even make money yourself by promoting the site with 404 traffic etc.

yes
btw, 404 traffic works pretty good for that
because if a surfer hits a 404 page, it means that he is looking for something which isnt there, well give him a search engine to find it

[Fking]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

Rage - well, from the first post in the original thread, the whole sale push was to get "freeloading" porn surfers to buy a paid membership to the Porn Portal "get porn 24" so the talk about credit card using surfers is kind of been bought in during these last few replies. The whole concept was to try and sell this service to the 99% of non-buying porn surfers. So where the credit card surfers came in is based on the fact if they signed up for this service theyd now be credit card using surfers, and the concern for me anyway,was that why would they pay for any of my free sites or gallery sponsors if they can pay $4.99 a month for all the "free" porn they can look at. At least thats my take on it.

J-

Well we provide organised way to browse free porn, which is pretty different as quality and lenght from the paid porn. So if they want the quality a members area usually provides they are still gonna join.

On the TGPs there are also tons of free porn, but they still join when they find something they really like, dont they?

We provide them a more convinient way to find it

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Extreme John

Thank you GG.

1) If they dont buy, what makes your stuff so special that they will buy from you? I mean buying access to a bunch of non-jerkable material doesnt really solve any issue.

2) If surfers are so sick of being jurked around and they will jump at this chance to get galleries without the jerk around... Why couldnt they just visit The Hun and so many other quality sites like GG&J, etc.

3) Assuming that 99% of the surfers dont buy or that ratio's are 1:1000 might be somewhat of a mistake on your part, where is this data coming from? What research?

4) If your so confident that your system and the results it displays are so excellent, than why dont you just lose the fee idea, go with having ad's (google does and they seem to do pretty good last time I checked) and everyone will be happy.

I have always been about creative idea's and marketing, however I think this idea balances on the fence, on one side of the fence there is this site and it's creators, on the other side of the fence is everyone else in the adult webmaster community.

1) That's answered in the first post
"Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy."

2) Yeah, there are plenty of other clean sites, and there is always room for one more

3) No research, that's more like an example. I just took a common conversion ratio.
If its 0.5% or 0.1% doesnt really matter, its the point

4)We decided to try something different, ads free site providing the quality of service and sequrity of a paid site

[Fking]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

So how do you feel about thumb TGPs sending skimmed traffic to trades or traffic brokers?

good point, thank you

[Fking]

Ok let me try to explane it one more time for the conservative thinkers out there

Both TGPs and search engines drive traffic and profit from their sites, by providing access to other's people sites and content. Their content is links to other sites, categorised in some way
The slight difference is that while they profit from ads, we drop the ads and use a small fee instead.
As mentioned above some of the TPGs even use the thumbs of your licensed content to send traffic to trades and so on. We don't do that.
Another advantage of our system is that we tend to drive more targeted and more quality traffic (card holders) to your galleries.

Our only "fault" is the different monetizing scheme.

I dont see anyone blaming TGPs that they profit from banners of a sponsor A, which is placed on a page with links to content of sponsors B,C,D for example


The other thing we are being accused is that the traffic we send is useless since we target free loaders.
Well the TPGs are also mostly visited by free loaders but they still do buy. Also our traffic is more targeted and more quality compared to the TGPs one.

So, if this will help you to accept this conception better, think for GetPorn24 as a TGP with a twist

[Greenguy]

Are you always this hard to explain things to?

Follow me on this. I posted this:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Ok - let's try something.

http://www.getporn24.com/?cat=Unifor...ge=0&type=both

On the uniform page, there's a link to an Extreme Paycheck gallery:
http://galleries.filthynurses.com/hg...ree=milfseeker

I'll hit up Extreme John & then he can post if he's ok with this company charging surfers to view his hosted galleries...

Extreme John, who's not just another asshole with an opinion - he owns Extreme Paychecks & filthynurses.com, posted this:

Originally Posted by Extreme John

Thank you GG.

Ive been reading through this thread and one thing that hasnt seemed to change as I continue to read on is that feeling I got when I first read the 1st few responses. It goes back to that old saying, "If it doesnt feel right, it's probably not right."

And well, this doesnt feel right. From a sponsors stand point (and many sponsors may vary on this), I have a HUGE issue with even my preview thumbs or thumbs from my exclusive soley owned (never sold as plug ins or anything else) content being used as a lead in for the purchase of some $4.99 month charge to view galleries.

Our sales tools or meant for our affiliates to use in order to generate traffic and send that traffic to us, not for our affiliates, one of their friends or a buddy to pre-sale that possible customer in hopes they might buy to our site.

Using any of the content from any of our sites to upsell or sell any membership other than our's will result in a cease order, regardless of which way the product is trying to be pushed.

Now let me ask you a question. Since your numbers reflect that 99% of surfers dont buy memberships, answer this for me:

1) If they dont buy, what makes your stuff so special that they will buy from you? I mean buying access to a bunch of non-jerkable material doesnt really solve any issue.

2) If surfers are so sick of being jurked around and they will jump at this chance to get galleries without the jerk around... Why couldnt they just visit The Hun and so many other quality sites like GG&J, etc.

3) Assuming that 99% of the surfers dont buy or that ratio's are 1:1000 might be somewhat of a mistake on your part, where is this data coming from? What research?

4) If your so confident that your system and the results it displays are so excellent, than why dont you just lose the fee idea, go with having ad's (google does and they seem to do pretty good last time I checked) and everyone will be happy.

I have always been about creative idea's and marketing, however I think this idea balances on the fence, on one side of the fence there is this site and it's creators, on the other side of the fence is everyone else in the adult webmaster community.

You said you were legally backed up, yet this sponsor says that he does not want you to charge people to view his companies exclusive galleries.

Can you comment on that?

I can get Extreme John back over here if you like. He does have a great lawyer & legal team

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

So how do you feel about thumb TGPs sending skimmed traffic to trades or traffic brokers?

Thats a whole different ballgame.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Fking

Yes we do

we can't reveal the algo, it's the main thing making this conception to works properly

Do I look like the kind of guy who would know what to do with an algorithm? I suck at math. What I'm looking for is the identifier your alleged bot uses when it hits a URL. What will I see in my stats next to Googlebot, YahooSlurp, etc? Or are you bullshitting us all and not really running a bot? Maybe you're simply adding every 'clean' URL your $2 per hour employees can find. That's what I'm getting at.

[Greenguy]

I think I know the algorithm - but my presentation might be a bit rusty.

if search = drop-down menu
then bot = $2/hour employee

[bluebrit]

Ok, I have read this thread all the way through and I agree with UW, Greenie and most other folks, that I DO NOT want my pages appearing on ANY of your search engines or domains.

I have worked hard and long to build my pages, populate them on search engines and other LL and promote them via my domain and that gives me the right to decide who will be allowed to use them, where they can be used and when they will made avilable.

And in case you mention google, they have policies in place for webmasters where you can decline their use of a page, a directory or a whole site should you so desire.

As such I believe I have a right to know the name of your spider as UW has already asked, so that i can ensure you DO NOT have access to my pages or the content they promote.

That's my choice and my way of looking at this. Everbody is entitled to their opinion and some people like your concept. That's fine go ahead and use their material. Just leave mine alone and give me the name of your spider.

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I think I know the algorithm - but my presentation might be a bit rusty.

if search = drop-down menu
then bot = $2/hour employee

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