WTF?

[lassiter]

Anyone have a clue how this could be legit? Sounds like they're gonna charge money for surfers to see my content off of free sites and galleries that I built for other sponsors.

[EDIT: OK, the random checks I did show they're offering up full galleries with the affiliate codes intact, and not in a frame, at least so far.]

Considering that nowadays an OK conversion ratio is 1:1000 this means that 99.9% of your traffic is free loaders. Now imagine if you can convert those?
Well, that's what you will be able to do with the site we are announcing now!
This site is GetPorn24.com and you can log-in into the BucksMania partners area and start promoting it right now!

In case you want to read a little bit more, here is how it actually works

There are tons of free porn on the net, so much that there isnt a paysite which can compete to that, so the majority of people never find the need to join a paysite.
Here comes the question, how to squeeze some money from those people? Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy.

That's what GetPorn24.com does! In short its, powerful porn only search engine, the results are 100% pics and movie galleries, 100% clean and on target. There are no sponsor FHGs, its all fresh galleries spidered from all the web daily which guarantees quality of the results!
The first page results for all categories are free, so we can tease them and show what the site delivers. If they want access to all the results they will have to pay a tiny fee of $4.99 per month. Here is how you make money, you get 50% to 100% from that fee depending on volumes (everything about that is explaned on the main page of BucksMania.com)

The amount per sale you get may be small, but please note we are targeting free loaders here, from which otherwise you will get nothing. Also considering that right now you make money from just about 0.01% from your traffic we suppose that the quantity of sales here will be much bigger.
This is great upsell for any type of site and traffic! Throwing just few banners on your side will be enough.

This may be the next big thing so make sure you give it a try now!

[Useless]

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

Another thought: would 50% of $4.99 really be worth the effort and space required to promote this potentially illegal conglomerated hunk o' shit?

[NY Jester]

There are no sponsor FHGs

It looks like its a Sex Search Engine that will spider out to pick up Galleries and MGPs that are online. It doesnt say its using sponsor back-ends or anything of that nature. To me it seems like its going to categorize the galleries and mgps much like 'picture view' does with Usenet postings. Seems from what I can read that it will be a huge link list to free porn, and will pick up on clean galleries, and just link to them. So Im assuming and I could be wrong, that if you have a clean free gallery out there and the spider picks it up you'll be listed within this search engine and may pick up some sales. Minimal Im sure but sales none the less.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

So Im assuming and I could be wrong, that if you have a clean free gallery out there and the spider picks it up you'll be listed within this search engine and may pick up some sales. Minimal Im sure but sales none the less.

But...if you contacted your sponsors and said, "hey, I'm going to use your content to build galleries and free sites and then charge people to see them," how do you think those sponsors would react? I'm guessing that many of them would give you the big F U and cancel your account.

[tickler]

Hmmm......
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=44007

[NY Jester]

U.W, Im in no way promoting this at all. Im just assuming (and ya know what that means) that regardless of whether you or I or Joe Dirt Webmaster promotes this, the spiders or crawlers they have will pick up the galleries anyway. And basically, this means that the "freeloaders" that they are targeting, wont give up a frikken dime to "us" the gallery and free site owners because they're already paying the $4.99 fee. So who gets fucked in the long run is "us" the ones that spend hard time promoting sponsors and the sponsors themselves. Im in total agreement with you, its a shit set-up, I dont think its illegal but it still stinks of shit and piss. And any idiot that signs on to promote it will just be cutting his/her own throat, 'cause I'd rather make 50% of $30 than 50% of $5..and who said the math I was taught in high school wouldnt be used when I was older?!

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

That was certainly my take on it.

Looks like BucksMania is on the boards - maybe they can explain/defend themselves?

[LowryBigwood]

I agree with UW, if they are making money charging to show other sponsors content then I would imagine some future problems.

I also like how they know what percentage of our traffic is freeloaders. Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

That's the beauty of their sales pitch. There's free porn all over the net, and we'll give you all the free porn you want for only $4.99!
It's so stupid, it's almost genius. |shocking|

[NY Jester]

how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

because they are going to market something like "Get it All In One Place" - they have to find your site to get it free, with the site they are proposing they'll already "have" it all. I checked out the site, and they set it up much like a skimmed TGP, some link to actual galleries and others link to their login/join page. I think its pretty shitty that "we" as webmasters bust our ass and they could possibly reap the benefits.

Has anyone tried to contact them on the board?

J-

[Mr Spock]

Why is a freeloader going to pay $4.99 for free porn , when for $1 he can get a three day trial with access to loads of porn.

[NY Jester]

Mr Spock..Im agreeing that a freeloader is looking for free porn, but he has to surf alot to get what he/she wants sometimes. The low price tag may entice them enough to score a ID/PW for this site and just keep surfing page after page of indexed free galleries/sites and what have you.

Why is a freeloader going to pay $4.99 for free porn , when for $1 he can get a three day trial with access to loads of porn.

If you break down a full 30 day month he'd have to shell out a whopping $10 and the hassle of cancelling memberships, crazy transactions showing on the Credit Card - when for $5 he can get 30 days of an even larger amount of porn all in one place, one bill one cancellation when he wants. Its the convenience factor and the amount he can get on the cheap.

[Fking]

Hello
I'm the owner of the program and site in question, let me try to explane how this really works and why we are not violating any laws.

GetPorn24 is a search engine, just like google.com (well more like images.google.com) it spiders publicly submitted content. In our case we have set the spider to filters and show only galleries, so we can provide categorised and quality, porn only, results.
We output links to the original gallery, without changing any ref codes, using frames or other kind of tricks. We send targeted free traffic to your galleries just like google does.

The only difference with the other search engines is our monetizing model.
- They use your content to provide quality service and then profit from ads on their sites.
- We run an ad free site and instead profit from the tiny fee we charge the surfer. This charge is for the convenience to use an ads free site and have the possibility to search and easy find whatever porn they need.

So, the surfer gets convinient service, you (the gallery submitters) get FREE TARGETED traffic, and we get the fee

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

How is linking to galleries illegal? We do not host anything on our side but 1 thumb per gallery. (is images.google.com illegal? Are the thumb TGPs who use gallery filler databases illegal?)

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Another thought: would 50% of $4.99 really be worth the effort and space required to promote this potentially illegal conglomerated hunk o' shit?

As explaned in the sales text in the first post, YES the amount per sale is small, but its about quantity here. And also you get some money from free loaders, from which otherwise you get nothing.
Also right now just 0.01% of your traffic is actually joining a paysite, so the quantity of sales here should be much bigger.
What's the matter if you get just $2.50 per sale if you make 20 times more sales for the same traffic?

[Fking]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

It looks like its a Sex Search Engine that will spider out to pick up Galleries and MGPs that are online. It doesnt say its using sponsor back-ends or anything of that nature. To me it seems like its going to categorize the galleries and mgps much like 'picture view' does with Usenet postings. Seems from what I can read that it will be a huge link list to free porn, and will pick up on clean galleries, and just link to them. So Im assuming and I could be wrong, that if you have a clean free gallery out there and the spider picks it up you'll be listed within this search engine and may pick up some sales. Minimal Im sure but sales none the less.

Thank you for understanding our conception

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

But...if you contacted your sponsors and said, "hey, I'm going to use your content to build galleries and free sites and then charge people to see them," how do you think those sponsors would react? I'm guessing that many of them would give you the big F U and cancel your account.

Well its more like "Hey im going to use your content to build free galleries, because i hope that this new paid search engine will pick them up and send us some free targeted traffic, which may bring us sales"

[Fking]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

U.W, Im in no way promoting this at all. Im just assuming (and ya know what that means) that regardless of whether you or I or Joe Dirt Webmaster promotes this, the spiders or crawlers they have will pick up the galleries anyway. And basically, this means that the "freeloaders" that they are targeting, wont give up a frikken dime to "us" the gallery and free site owners because they're already paying the $4.99 fee. So who gets fucked in the long run is "us" the ones that spend hard time promoting sponsors and the sponsors themselves. Im in total agreement with you, its a shit set-up, I dont think its illegal but it still stinks of shit and piss.

A lot of people google for "free porn" and they end like members of a paysite if they really like it.
If someone wants to join the site you are promoting, i dont think that the fact that he has paid $4.99 earlier to some other site will stop him

Originally Posted by NY Jester

And any idiot that signs on to promote it will just be cutting his/her own throat, 'cause I'd rather make 50% of $30 than 50% of $5..and who said the math I was taught in high school wouldnt be used when I was older?!

Why not do both? Promote $30 paysites and offer to the people who are not interested in a paysite a $4.99 porn search engine

[Fking]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

I agree with UW, if they are making money charging to show other sponsors content then I would imagine some future problems.

We show links to other sponsors content, linking is not illegal
We charge for the convinience to have it all easy searchable, the other search engines "charge" by showing ads.
We are ads free, but there is a fee

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

I also like how they know what percentage of our traffic is freeloaders.

We take that 1:1000 is an OK conversion ratio in nowadays
that means that from 1000 people, 999 dont join and just one joins.
1 is 0.01% from 1000
that means that in this case 99.9% are free loaders for the current site

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

"Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy.
"

[Fking]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

because they are going to market something like "Get it All In One Place" - they have to find your site to get it free, with the site they are proposing they'll already "have" it all. I checked out the site, and they set it up much like a skimmed TGP, some link to actual galleries and others link to their login/join page. I think its pretty shitty that "we" as webmasters bust our ass and they could possibly reap the benefits.

Has anyone tried to contact them on the board?

J-

The results on every first page for every categorie are free to click (except the last row) if you want second page and so on results, a join page appears.
That way the surfers can see what the site is about and what delivers and if he wants more results he will has to join.

In the first case if you get traffic from the first page where its free to use, you get free targeted, traffic
in the second case, you get free, targeted, card holders, traffic

We send you the traffic, its up to you to convert it or not, even if they have paid the $4.99 fee on our side, i dont think that would stop them to join your site if they really like it, since we offer only free galleries porn.

[Fking]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

Mr Spock..Im agreeing that a freeloader is looking for free porn, but he has to surf alot to get what he/she wants sometimes. The low price tag may entice them enough to score a ID/PW for this site and just keep surfing page after page of indexed free galleries/sites and what have you.




If you break down a full 30 day month he'd have to shell out a whopping $10 and the hassle of cancelling memberships, crazy transactions showing on the Credit Card - when for $5 he can get 30 days of an even larger amount of porn all in one place, one bill one cancellation when he wants. Its the convenience factor and the amount he can get on the cheap.

yes true, but we target people who will be satisfied with 10-20 pics per model or few 20sec clips in other words free loaders. People who will be satisfied with free content only.
If they want real movies and big pics galleries they will still have to join a paysite.
So we are not directly competing with the paysites we just supply for a different kind of demand

[Fking]

Well, please let me know how it looks after i explaned all the questionable aspects of the conception?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Fking

GetPorn24 is a search engine, just like google.com (well more like images.google.com) it spiders publicly submitted content.

When was the last time that you paid to see Google's search results? Though Google does indirectly (via advertising) profit from it's ability to deliver search results, it doesn't charge in order to display other people's content. Even with their business model, they've faced many copyright and trademark infringement lawsuits.

Over the years, I've seen people suggest that link list and TGP owners could increase their profits by protecting their archived listings with an AVS. But the one argument that comes up and knocks it down, over and over again, is that charging to show other people's content without proper licensing is a big fucking problem.

Trust me, I want to make money every way I can, but I smell cease and desist orders and lawsuits for that business model.

I responded in your SPAM thread too. http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...38&postcount=4

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

When was the last time that you paid to see Google's search results? Though Google does indirectly (via advertising) profit from it's ability to deliver search results, it doesn't charge in order to display other people's content.

Let me say it again, we do not charge for access to other peoples content, we dont own it, we dont host it.
We charge them to use the full functionallity of our site.
And the site delivers links, just links! And again linking is legall!
And if we choose to profit from ads or charge for the service we provide, is completly up to us, since both ways are legal.
Just the other model is pretty much over used, so we decided to try with ads-free but paid site.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Trust me, I want to make money every way I can, but I smell cease and desist orders and lawsuits for that business model.

I dont see lawsuits coming from gallery submitters receiving free targeted traffic. Neither they will have legal reason to do so, since im free to link to whatever i want as long as its not CP or hate/racism propaganda....
The fact that i charge for full access to my site doesnt change that. I dont sell content i sell functionallity, i sell service....


edit: my spam thread is in the spam section
btw you have answer there too

Also what about discusssing this normally, without hate-oriented comments? You are grown man, long enough in the biz, lets keep it professional and in a good manner?

[NY Jester]

I myself just think there is a fine line. And all depending on how its perceived/received is going to make the difference.

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Fking

Also what about discusssing this normally, without hate-oriented comments? You are grown man, long enough in the biz, lets keep it professional and in a good manner?

I think UW is being quite polite. Especially for him.

I'm sure you got advice from your attorneys telling you this is a legally-safe way to proceed. I suspect you could get another perfectly valid legal opinion strongly advising you not to do it.

It's not the affiliates who are likely to file cease-and-desist orders, but rather other large sponsors, who may not be very happy that content they have licensed to webmasters solely for the purpose of free promotion of their programs is being used as a sales tool to profit one of their competitors.