Sexdug.Com / Useful Scripts Blacklisted

[Useless]

First, let me say that you should have been relieved that ONE link list blacklisted you due to the use of vid caps and they never bothered to mention that the domain registrant name of your submission email address is different from your triplexxx.info domain. Most link lists would blacklist you for bad whois - and never tell you.

Originally Posted by DJilla

...and won't argue with your inference that "better ways to deal with this" means the conventional ones of begging and doing things quietly without creating a fuss and asking "please take me off the list" and not calling the secret WM that banned that domain a coward and piece of crap.

Requesting to be removed from that blacklist does not require begging or lowering oneself. One merely needs to acknowledge that they made a mistake and now realize what they did wrong. One doesn't even have to come to the board to be removed. No one esle even has to know.

Originally Posted by DJilla

IMHO, a person whom I do not know has caused me to loose potential income, attacked a reputation, casued me to waste time which to me is money, and has done so in secret with a system that never notified me, gave me chance to respond, or offers any way for proper review other than to the webmaster that did it to begin with.

You don't even know how long you've been on that black list. How much attention are you really paying to your business?

Originally Posted by DJilla

I can not accept someone's hostile actions and then turn around to that WM and say please help me. I physically can't do it. Maybe you are a better person. If I interfere with someone's money and rep then I should expect some repurcussions. Its just that simple.

Hostile actions? YOU THREATENED TO "BITCH SLAP" THAT REVIEWER!!! I've said a lot of rotten things to people on this board, but even I don't threaten physical violence. In my worst melt downs here - and I've had a bunch - I never told anyone that I'd bring physically harm to them.

Originally Posted by DJilla

My attitude shouldn't make a hill of beans in this debate. I think it should be about the business points I made.

You bitched in the LOR thread, then went on to start two other threads over a minor issue. Everyone else who discovers that one of their domains is on that blacklist simple appeals it - they don't lose their mind, or this case, MINDS - since you seem to have a partner.

You can't "lawyer up" against Useful Scripts for inactively defaming you and harming your business while actively and publicly making libelous statements about theirs.

I can't even imagine how you'd react if all of the link lists owners reading this right now publicly admitted that they are heading over to their admin to blacklist you for being an ass.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'm not even going to lower myself to the wonderful name-calling game you're playing. I'll just say that I'm surprised to hear this from "an established member of this board", especially when you have no idea who you're directing the comments at. While I (LOR) did blacklist you, it was not me personally that did it, but I am responsible for my site & my reviewers, so I will assume that all those comments were directed at me.

Well at least I've moved one step forward and now know who and why. Of course some intuition told me that I would eventually run up against a bigger guy if only becasue those are the ones who use this usefulscript. Of course my rant was to provoke someone forward with an explanation. Now that it turns out to be you whom I know to be a very reasonable, helpful, and straightforward guy I will sincerely apologize for all and only the character attacks that I made upon the "secret WM". I don't think the things I said to be true regarding you personally. In that case I was in error and wrong.

However, regarding the list and the way its run I have to say I feel the same.

A couple of example facts. At the time that I subbed from Sexdug I was a straight newbie and am sure didn't even know what vid caps were. Also, it couldn't have been too many submits that "violated" the rules because I didn't submit that many from that domain because I quickly saw that I needed to know more to work better. Maybe I subbed one a month or so for a few months.

Regardless, by the time I picked it back up and I'm buying content and buying designs and subbing from new domains but scrupously following the rules by using my same old email addy I'm finding a year later I've been BL'd. Which dovetails into my previous comment about how cool is it to be helping newbies on the one hand and then blacklisting them for minor mistakes with the other. Other webmasters do use this list for checking and a submitter can be unfairly penalized. But, hey since you're using an email addy to ban would it be so hard to use the same addy to notify?

Additionally, you've added more information which tells me that I was only banned at one domain which was not the distinct impression I got from the research posts over the years that I looked at. I stand corrected. Any WM can ban for any reason from his/her site.. period. My problem was the wide net that such secret banning causes and I'm clearly not alone in this thinking.

OK! Nevertheless I've run my mouth. I apologize for attacking your character wholeheartedly however my opinoin that the system still sucks stands. You have done more to keep this business on a straight line than anybody else I've ever come across so I take all my fighting words back and have no intention of pursuing any of this any further. Sorry to start your work week off badly but my weekend sucked.

[DJilla]

UL

I'm not going to respond to your various points except to say that there is no question I was over the top. I've apoligized to G above and will now deservedly take my lumps from those of you that want to flame me. I have a problem with overreaction and I'm not on medication. I'm an ass and have insulted one of my industry idols. If I suggest that its partially because I see internet conspiracies all around me that is hardly adequate. Flame away.

[Greenguy]

calmo......

Be honest with me on these, because your reply will weigh heavily on my final decision on all this:

What did you think you'd accomplish after you filed an appeal at 9:55 AM EST on a Sunday with the 2 other threads instead of waiting 24-48 hours for the appeal to be reviewed?

What do you think I should do now? Or, even better, what would you do in my situation?

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Greenie

calmo......

Be honest with me on these, because your reply will weigh heavily on my final decision on all this:

What did you think you'd accomplish after you filed an appeal at 9:55 AM EST on a Sunday with the 2 other threads instead of waiting 24-48 hours for the appeal to be reviewed?

What do you think I should do now? Or, even better, what would you do in my situation?

G, I'm always honest and straightforward in business you can at least take that to the bank.

What did I think? Well, firstly it was my perception of the situation at the time that I was banned from anybody that used Usefulscripts. That being the case I just completely freaked and saw every list that doesn't send out accepts/rejects were not getting my sites. With that, I didn't care about an appeal I just wanted to fight. I felt insulted and challenged and reacted in the way that I do when that happens... insanely. There were no thoughts about how to move forward happily I just had paranoid thoughts of some middling WM screwing with me and my having to come back hard. The fact that the usefulscripts website didn't appear to be updated and many of the posts I read regarding people who appealed and were ignored didn't help to temper my anger. I was just like "screw it" all in. So to answer your question I wasn't thinking about the appeal process becasue I didn't believe it was the small matter that everyone said it was. My issue was never that a particular WM could or would ban me; that as I've said is anybody's right to do. It was the idea that such a thing was net wide for users of the script. I was wrong and popped off ridiculously in advance of having the correct facts. OK, so now you've all seen the bad side of my character. When I get in that mode I can't pull back.

What would I do in your shoes? I mean that's hard to say. I'm sure you know that as I've said I could never direct any of those comments to you personally if I had known it was you. You're a a real stand up guy. Period. And so far I have never disagreed with anything I've seen you do or say. Whether you want me submitting to you or not is entirely your pleasure and I claim no right in any way. I would hope that you wouldn't ban me from the board for stupidity, agressiveness, and profanity as it won't happen again.


What would I do

[Greenguy]

Fair enough. If you search your domain on there, you'll now see that it's "Inactive" meaning you can submit to me.

The one thing I'd like to know is did you read someplace that the blacklist was used by all people using Useful Script's Link Admin? If so, I'd like to go & clear up that little tidbit of misinformation.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Fair enough.

More Than Fair; which is your usual style. Thank You.

This so totally sucks. I can't believe I did this. My posts are so horrible and off the scale. I apologize to everybody that has to read that dribble. This "ballistic" crap used to happen a lot when I was younger not so much these past years. You can imagine that my temper and passion has caused me some measure of greater problems at times. I am so, so sorry to everyone as well as being highly embarrased for loosing control.

Regardless, of what your decision might have been, A few hours ago I sent you a holiday gift, again with apologies. I hope you like it. You should get it in a few days. Again, please accept my humblest apologies.

With regards to the misunderstanding on how the black list actually works, I accumulated my general impression from this and other board posts regarding it and admitedly a lot of the comments I read were equally from people that obviously didn't understand it. I'll try and collect up some of the links but they do go back aways a few years so I can't say there is a current problem with others understanding, just my own moronic, jump the gun, dense brain, that was to quick to battle and slow to think.

Happy Holidays,


PS: To those others who are just standing by and chuckling watching me implode, I apoligize to you too and I hope you will be as forgiving as G has and not let this too badly mar your opinoin of me.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by DJilla

....Regardless, of what your decision might have been, A few hours ago I sent you a holiday gift, again with apologies. I hope you like it. You should get it in a few days. Again, please accept my humblest apologies.....

I'm starting to like this Kinder Gentler approach

Seriously, that was not necessary, but thank you

[plateman]

I am a lurker anymore but I would like to say is - you cant take rejections and being put on a black list personal, and no matter how mad you get you gotta try and hold your tongue as much as possible...

even if the person who put you there is the biggest asshole and mother fucker out there, there is more trafffic out there in the sea

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by DJilla

IMHO, a person whom I do not know has caused me to loose potential income, attacked a reputation, casued me to waste time which to me is money

Isn't threateding to sue someone on a public board over a misunderstanding wasting your time and damaging your own reputation?

I was on the BL once. It took a very short period of time to be removed. I did not beg. I did not keep it quite. I did not threated to sue. There's an infinate amount of room between those approaches and that is where I prefer to do business.

Any way. I wish you luck.

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by Greenie

The one thing I'd like to know is did you read someplace that the blacklist was used by all people using Useful Script's Link Admin? If so, I'd like to go & clear up that little tidbit of misinformation.

If that is a misconception, it is a prevalent one.

Way back in 2002 when I first started submitting to TGP's, Link-O-Rama happened to be listed at a few sites as a good place to submit galleries to. In my neophyte ignorance I submitted a few to you. (and was properly blacklisted)

When I learned more about the business (and became a semi-regular here at this board, I learned what a free site was and started submitting them. Lo and behold I was receiving several rejection messages from members of this board telling me I was blacklisted at useless scripts.

My appeal to you at that time promptly removed me from the list....but OTHER users of link admin WERE blacklisting me solely because of your blacklisting me.

I have never used link admin, but my impression through the years has been that there is an option to USE the blacklist within link admin. Perhaps it is only other webmasters seeing sites and emails blacklisted and so manually add those trangressors to their own lists. You carry a lot of weight among link list owners Greenguy, as do cleo and several others here. They figure if the person screwed up bad enough to be included on that list that is good enough for them.

Are you sure that there is not an option within link admin itself to check the blacklist? and if it see's a name, site, or email on it automatically blacklist?

[Linkster]

MeatPounder - there is an option to use that blacklist within link-admin - although I can tell you that many do NOT use it "automatically" as there are a lot of LLs that dont have the exact same rules - so it would be kinda impractical to just make a blanket list that everybody uses.
The thing to keep in mind here is that there are a few reviewers that work for a great many LLs so between those LLs you could be B/L'd at one and it would fit 10 other lists just because they share the same reviewer group and rules for that matter

The last thing to clear up here - is that the Useful BL is written and "maintained" by an old LL owner (Richard of Richards Realm) - although the maintaining section is just the program itself - the blacklisting part is something separate and that was why it was always made completely voluntary for link-admin users (also Richards script)

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Isn't threateding to sue someone on a public board over a misunderstanding wasting your time and damaging your own reputation?

I was on the BL once. It took a very short period of time to be removed. I did not beg. I did not keep it quite. I did not threated to sue. There's an infinate amount of room between those approaches and that is where I prefer to do business.

Any way. I wish you luck.

Your right! And that's exactly what I accomplished. I gave everybody the impression that I'm an ass and I wasted the better part of two days. Now, today I've been furious at myself and wasted today too. AND you weren't the first person to tell me that. Just be cool! I was told. Its not a big deal, relax. I didn't really understand the context of this BL. I thought it was a much bigger deal. I hadn't eaten, I was annoyed, blood pressure was crazy and then I just loose it.

But here's the other part I'll confess. Even the word blacklist makes me see red because I know how harmful that can be and to me it was just someone attacking me and I didn't have a rational thought process. I kinda come from a rough and tumble side of the tracks and well, you know you can read between the lines. Its like my reptilian brain takes over and I act like an ignoramus that no one can deal with. This is wholly inappropriate in general I know this, but particularly damaging in an online community where people don't care about your personality problems. I'm very ashamed that this has happened here.

My biggest mistake was not having the confidence that maybe I had built some capital at this board and people would be willing to help me. Its not that I ignored this possibility, my brain never got there really. It just jumped over the thought altogether in favor of fight. I'm so sorry. Please forgive me. If there is an adequate pennance, I will pay it.

[Greenguy]

Gotta answer these out of order...

Originally Posted by Linkster

MeatPounder - there is an option to use that blacklist within link-admin....

I'll have to double check with MrMaryLou, but I believe that using the Useful Scripts blacklist that I (and a few others) use it is NOT an option (but it may be an option as far as the free host blacklist)

I know that Link Admin does have a blacklist option built into it, but that's completely separate from the one that I use.

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

...Perhaps it is only other webmasters seeing sites and emails blacklisted and so manually add those trangressors to their own lists.....

That thought had never crossed my mind, but yes, it is possible that a new LL would go to the blacklist, search the domain & then decide what to do with the domain as far as their own personal blacklists.

I do NOT think this is a good practice, but there's not much anyone can do about it other than removing the search & appeal process, which I think everyone would agree on being a bad thing to do.

[MrMaryLou]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Gotta answer these out of order...

I'll have to double check with MrMaryLou, but I believe that using the Useful Scripts blacklist that I (and a few others) use it is NOT an option (but it may be an option as far as the free host blacklist)

I know that Link Admin does have a blacklist option built into it, but that's completely separate from the one that I use.

There no option on install for the black list for free host

[MrYum]

Glad the cooler head kicked in DJ

Did take a while though...remind me not to piss you off

I used Link Admin for a year or so, don't recall it having the capability of using the Usefulscripts blacklist. It did have its own blacklist, but wasn't connected to any outside list.

As mentioned previously, and I think a lot of reviewers do this...I use that list as a reference point only. Just another of many checks I run on new submitters. The only way it carries any real weight is if the offense listed is particularly egregious.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Glad the cooler head kicked in DJ

Thank you. I wish someone had kicked me in the head when I started. I don't know if I can ever live down all these posts. Its really embarrasing and as I've said 50 times I'm so sorry to everyone. I'm signing off now and going to bed hoping to end this nightmare.
|confused|

[Jel]

No idea where my misconception originated, but until a few minutes ago I thought that was a shared blacklist amongst the LLs that run that script too (yeah I got put on there when I first started also ).

Not much help in tracking down why the misconception is there, but I'm thinking there must be more than a few out there that think the same.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by DJilla

Thank you. I wish someone had kicked me in the head when I started. I don't know if I can ever live down all these posts. Its really embarrasing and as I've said 50 times I'm so sorry to everyone. I'm signing off now and going to bed hoping to end this nightmare.
|confused|

You aren't a real webmaster until you've made a complete cunt of yourself in front of your peers - welcome to the club

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by Jel

You aren't a real webmaster until you've made a complete cunt of yourself in front of your peers - welcome to the club

That's why UW is my hero

[Useless]

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

That's why UW is my hero

Still waiting for my next on-board breakdown, are ya?

I was going to ask DJilla to step away and take a few deep breaths before preceeding the other day, but I feared the irony of the situation would have made me poor counsel. I could already hear is reply ringing in my ears. "Who the fuck are you to tell any one to calm down and act rational?!!!"

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

You carry a lot of weight among link list owners Greenguy, as do cleo and several others here. They figure if the person screwed up bad enough to be included on that list that is good enough for them.

I always thought that was the case. Anyone useing the BL sees an e-mail, domain or name on the list then all LL's using the BL canned your submissions. It's an easy assumption to make. A newb hears the words "shared blacklist". Make a stupid mistake several times and get on the list. If no rejection e-mail is sent with the reason the newb has no clue he's messing up and all of a sudden he gets the notice that he's blacklisted when he tries to submit at several LL's. What's the guy to think? I'm on a blacklist, several LL's won't accept my submissions, they MUST be sharing that black list. (incorrect assumption, but easy to make)
And, like DJ said, if the appeal gets ignored, the poor newb has no clue. Hopefully all appeals will be properly handled and a reason given if the appeal is denied.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I was going to ask DJilla to step away and take a few deep breaths before preceeding the other day, but I feared the irony of the situation would have made me poor counsel. I could already hear is reply ringing in my ears. "Who the fuck are you to tell any one to calm down and act rational?!!!"

Heheheh! At first I laughed and thought "how true" but then later I thought maybe not since I've always identified with your balls to the wall, Hunter Thompson style. But funny.
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Well, woke up this morn and it wasn't a nightmare I really did it. Thinking over and over how could this have happened I came to an answer that makes sense to me. Though I did one year towards a masters in psych before deciding that psych was crap (at least for me), I did (do) have a spiritual teacher (yeah I hear the guffaws) that a few years ago helped me understand not the reason but at least the pattern of my ... eh problem.

We came to the obvious conclusion that I only behaved that way toward a real enemy OR someone I didn't know. It never happened towards people I did know. Though I have come to know many by their posts, I still had this image in my head of an impersonal electronic identity and I think that went a long way in allowing me no reserve in how I acted. In the real world, I've also only directed my anger at the target and never people who weren't responsible. In this case I've disrespected 10s, 100s, 1000s, (OMG) of people who visit this board
and had nothing to do with my issue and to whom I again apoligize profusely.

But this is not anonymous. This community is as real as it gets, some of you so tight that you act like family. It may sound stupid but I've but my pic up on the avatar for awhile so now I can't hide and I'll feel like you guys know me too. I'll never be able to embarrass myself before you again.

I intend to be in this biz for a long while, I don't need to make a profit to stick around until the pieces fall in place and I want to be known as successful for others to be around. I may not need money but I need you guys/girls, each and every one of you and your basic good will.

Thanks ALOT for this second chance. Happy Holidays!

[Greenguy]

If you apologize one more time, I'm gonna put you back on the black list

[DJilla]

|goodidea Affirmative!