Are we asking for trouble?

[MrMaryLou]

Why is it that I see so much shit taking a deep leap over the edge. What I am talking about is the play on two words boy and girl. Within themselves they are harmless but it seems with some they could give two shits how they play with them with the shit thats coming down on the biz with visa and what not dont you think that would be a wake up call for some. What is you opinion on this?

[Sumrpal]

testing testing 1 2 3 ... I've gotten the "Cannot find server" error with 3 of the 4 previous posts I've tried to make in the last 12 hours. Let's see how this one goes .....

I think we all do need to be careful with the use of those words, and others, for sure. It's all in the connotation though .... my wife, who is in her 40's, uses the term "girls" all the time when refering to her friends and co-workers ...

"Me and the girls had some fun at work yesterday"

"I'm going out to have a drink with some of the girls"

So, it's all in the connotation.

But non-the-less, I think it is wise for adult webmasters to not use those terms, or use them sparingly in the correct connotation, making it abudantly clear that they are talking about adults.

[Ramster]

Well I don't get it.

Why the fuck have words on your free site or gallery like "Young Bo*s with Mature Women"??? WTF are these people trying to target?

I really don't think BOY is appropriate in ANY circumstance. It in no way refers to some 18 or over. GIRL on the other hand I think is ok as long as you do not use young or some other description word with it. You can say Hot girl getting her pussy poked without thinking cp but saying Hot boy poking a babe sounds illegal to me. Use guy or dude.

IMHO.

[Surfn]

I’ll try not to go into a rant here. Simply put the more we (adult webmasters) give in the more they (the powers that be) will take from us!

[tropica]

I personaly will not use the expression "young girl" or boy because to me that infers a minor. Believe it or not I would much prefer to use the word teen because when you say teen you are not implying that the lady/man is a minor.

[Cleo]

I have a lot of male gay friends and they all use the word "boy," but it has a different meaning then what it means to the general population.

That being said our audience is very broad and we do have to be careful and responsible in how we conduct business.

This is an adult business and we need to make sure as best we can that no one under 18 is involved or any suggestion is made to anything but everyone involved is over 18.

Just this morning I got a mail from a webmaster who's site got declined for model looks too young.
http://greatfulgays.com/gay_movie_si...nk/d/index.htm
They wrote me to let me know that the content had been bought from a content provider and they have documents that shows that the young man in the pics is over 18.

I don't care if the model is ninety years old, if they look too young I'm not listing it. I don't need someone knocking at my door asking me fro proof of someone's age. Anyway I'm sure that everyone knows the Tracy Lords story.

[RawAlex]

Ramster: I get the same thing... lost posts, not found, etc... wierd stuff!

Boy/Girl: The Boy and Mature Women ones are a godo example of using "positioning" to make the boys look younger, and the girls to look older. I suspect all the boys are over 18, but they seem to have gone far out of their way to select the skinniest, most under-developed little boys they could find.

It may not be CP directly, but it is pandering, and I won't be a part of pandering.

Beyond that, I notice that most of those "sites" depend on either the boy or the MINF (mother's I'd never fuck) being or playing "drunk". That adds an adiditonal level of "non consentual" to the situation, which just ain't good.

I don't allow many uses of "boy" any more in sites I list, unless I feel the sites are not trying to play the "younger than young" card.

Alex

[RawAlex]

Surfn: I appreciate your non-rant. I appreciate also your point of view, and technically, you are quite correct. However, a short story will explain to you better some of the things I have seen and why I think that in practical terms, you are not correct.

I have certain friends and aquaintances in the US that are very much first amendment advocates (to the extreme). They see it not only as the right to free speech, but a challenge to make sure they get as much of that free speech in any time they can. One of them gets his jollies by writing to newspapers, congressmen, state senators, and anyone else he can find and giving them a piece of his mind (the funny part is, when a newspaper prints one of his letters to the editors, he calls it "publishing his column", like he has some expectation that they WANT his opinion for anything more than to fill space on the op-ed pages).

He has gotten involved in a number of business and situations that require he deal with the government, officials, and such, and at each time, he has been targetted (his words) by the people attempting to surpress his views, to limit his freedom of speech and expression.

I have yet to be able to convince him that his bullheaded attachment to freedom of speech means that the bullheaded people attempting to control or restrict the things he wants to do will fight back as hard as he pulls at it.

While technically, we should never give in, we should protect our rights to the words we want to use, and we should be able to describe consentual acts between adults in any way we want.

Realistically, your going to look stupid in court, trying to protect a site called "a boy's first time" or "young girls first orgasm". You will probably lose, and more importantly, our industry will once again look like a group of perverted child molestors and sickos.

The bozo charged with redirecting typos is being singled out BECAAUSE HE REDIRECTED THE STUFF TO PORN. If he had mousetrapped them into amazon.com's toy section, or to the front door of a PPC search engine for non-adult stuff, there would be no outcry, no bullshit, no crap - and probably no charges.

Technically, it is a double standard. In reality, smart business people can see this and avoid it like the plague!

Alex

[Surfn]

Alex

Let me clarify my position by saying that I have been on the Adult side full time since 1996. I have seen many things come and go. And I have also seen the rights of Adult Webmasters eroded because of fear of reprisal, whether monetary or legal, which has resulted in these new attempts to restrict our industry. As I see it if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.

As I watch the news and read the boards it looks eminent that we will lose more rights to do business in a competitive manner. Does that mean I fear going out of business for myself? NO! I do know that pointing fingers amongst us is not, nor will it ever be, a constructive process.

Nuff said

[urb]

I am not a fan of the "I hate cp more than you do" type thread. It should go without saying.

I personally don't like the word "teen" used in pornography, but that's just my own opinion and it's a free internet. The word "young" is a very bad idea IMO and is, as was mentioned above, pandering. |pissed|

The word "boys" is used widely (for example) by male stripper troupes like "The Dreamboys", "The Loverboys", "The Fantasy Boys" & "The Cheeky Boys" and I think it is ok.

[doublep]

I have to admit at using the word 'girl', and that comes simply from my age, when I see any woman, anywhere from the age 18 to about 25 I always refer to them as girls, and think of them as girls, weather it's in the boozer, or in the street.... I stay away from the word 'boy' when writing descriptions for gay sites, I use the word 'twink'.

If you are using tools to find out the keywords people use on search engines on a regular basis - you will no doubt be aware of the word combos to avoid. But I remember having to remove the word children from the phrase, 'This site is protected with RSACi, use it to prevent children viewing unsuitable material, and change it to minors - after I picked up a few clicks from surfers combining the word with sexual terms on the site. I kicked myself afterwards for it... we live and learn!

[stuveltje]

Why the fuck have words on your free site or gallery like "Young Bo*s with Mature Women"??? WTF are these people trying to target? ( the quote thingie didnt work)

got them at submitted at my Ll and rejected them , have special rule about the word B*y, learned from chat with MMl, and me gonna stay with that rule!!!

[Luna]

I have no tolerance with that kind of thing, agree with Ramster, better don't use these terms, I'll decline anyone who come border line for me. |raygun|
I decline that site Cleo post, I agree completely what she said about "could not" be under 18, what I personally don't believe on this particular site, but why choose a model that look so young ?!!
One those things that get me really up set is this bullshit on this business, I personally stoped a while ago promote teen sites.
|raygun| |raygun| |raygun|

[DangerDave]

Two things bring this on IMO

1. Desperation in a suffering business - webmasters do more "borderline" things as times get tough, and they try to stay afloat.

2. Borderline sponsors tell/encourage them to do this shit. I am sure others have seen the growth in Russian/EasternEuropean sponsors lately.

Not good signs..

DD

[backoffbitch]

Talk about eeerie, just after reading this thread I had a piece of shit submitted to me playing on pedophiilia as well. For obvious reasons, not listed.

http-//www.maturex.org/sites/024/ll.htm

But I was kind enough to tell him why. As I do with everyone.

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I appologize, however I cannot list this site. Reasons are bellow.

+ Excessive linking on main page. If you can link to your own pages you can surely link to everyone else.
+ Using "y*ung" and "b*ys" in body text together with a very distasteful manner.
+ Poor quality pictures.
+ Excessive advertising.
+ This whole site is pedophile material. example...
"Experience mature ladies seduce and teach innocent b*ys"
+ Very distastefull keywords in your meta tags
"Y*ung Teens, B*y, Girls. Y*ung Cock"

I will not have anything to do with this site. I Kindly ask you to remove my recip from this site within 24 hours.
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I replaces 0's with *'s as I'm sure GG or Jim would not want any relevance to those keywords in any SE search results.


This just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He is wording it in a way that makes it sound like grannies going after junior high aged males

[bret]

and yet schoolgirl is a completly acceptable term when said in an adult context almost no one thinks of minors they think of some sexy 22 year old babe busting out of her tight white button down and a tiny plaid skirt with knee highs.

when said in general, gitty as a schoolgirl, you think of a 9 year old.

WTF!!!!!!

[Cleo]

I tend to give sites that use the word schoolgirl a real good going over and often decline them unless they show that they are referring to a girl in college.

When I'm doing a bulk add of sponsor sites to my link list I skip the ones that promote their schoolgirl sites.

If it wasn't for the fact that it would be such a huge undertaking I would replace my teen category with Young Ladies.

[bret]

I stand corrected. Maybe i just think fucked up like that.