Perverted Justice

[Jim]

I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen the last few weeks of NBC's Dateline where they use Perverted Justice to catch perverts that use Yahoo, AIM and myspace to set up dates with 13-15 year old kids at the kids home. The wannabe pedophiles are really stupid and make me sick. And, they have caught school teachers, youth counselors and all sorts of other people that should be trusted.

Anyway...yesterday, I went there to see how many they have caught around me. Only 1 guy popped up but, he was really bad.

After that, I searched Perverted Justice on Google and found a lot of organizations condemning Perverted Justice for using entrapment and illegal means to catch these guys. The organizations range from Yahoo to the FBI. The FBI claims that a lot of these perverts are let go because of things that Perverted Justice has done. And, to tell the truth, the guy that owns Perverted Justice seems like a douchbag.

So when you get a chance, take a look and do a search for the sites that tell a different story about PJ. And, tell me what you think. Are they doing good or are they doing harm?

[Murderous]

I think they are doing harm. I don't need to visit any sites or do any research. I watched it, and I seen so many parts of it that disgusted me on PJ's part. One that comes to mind right away is that they are allowing exposure of how such operations work. Informing the criminals on how they can avoid being caught.

That in itself should be a crime.

[Jim]

Did you see the moron they caught in one city before they started using police and the very next day, the guy showed up at a McDonalds to meet another PJ kid. That time they arrested him.

When I looked at their site, I thought it strange that everyone they had listed didn't have arrested or convicted under their name. That's why I looked a little closer. I was actually going to donate a little money until I read other things about them.

And, I agree with you about telling the perverts how to get caught. And, it is as much NBC's fault as it is theirs. Here is a simple way that they show would be pedophiles how not to get caught. If the kid asks you to bring something, don't. They claim by bringing something that the kid asked for shows intent. And they say over and over and over again, by this guy bringing the beer or condoms or food, he has shown intent.

[SirMoby]

All shows of this type are about 1 thing and that's giving people what they want to see. They know they're interfering with law enforcement but they're making money and America loves it.

Now I'd be more against this group if the FBI created a task force of 8 agents and 3 support staff to go after pedophiles but they decided it's better to go after consenting adults wanting to see other consenting adults. Since the FBI is funneling money away from prosecuting pedophiles and protecting our children any way I think this show is at least alerting America to a serious problem.

[Murderous]

I must have missed the Mickey D's thing, I believe I seen part 2 (and 3?). And yes, it is quite stupid to bring stuff. Like beer, why not get another charge, haha. Then again, anyone who likes to diddle with kids isn't very bright anyway.

[Greenguy]

I just wish the site would have more pics of the guys wacking off on cam

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I just wish the site would have more pics of the guys wacking off on cam

Plenty of good pictures for you, my friend Did you notice though, there are no women? Is it possible there are no woman predators? Or, do they only go after men?

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Jim

Plenty of good pictures for you, my friend Did you notice though, there are no women? Is it possible there are no woman predators? Or, do they only go after men?

I can think of a couple of female teachers that have been locked up for messing with their students. The most recent even had a baby fathered by her child lover. |shocking|

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Jim

Did you notice though, there are no women? Is it possible there are no woman predators?

No, they become school teachers

[frankthetank]

I read through the site and I found several sites of criticism on google. The main problem is that the owner of the website is an unemployed amateur. So I doubt he is playing honest. Obviuosly he isn´t helping anyobody but tries to "catch" as many victims as he can. I ask myself why he does it. Maybe to get somehow famous?

The method reminds me of the middle ages.

So after all I don´t think that he does anything to protect minors but does a lot for his own benefits.

If I could figure out - let´s say Jim´s - telephone number, address and personal environment, I could go to one of their chatrooms, make out a date and send Jim to a meeting. So he would be one of the busted though he obviously never had something to do with the chat.

I really don´t like this scenario.

[Beaver Bob]

Originally Posted by Jim

Plenty of good pictures for you, my friend Did you notice though, there are no women? Is it possible there are no woman predators? Or, do they only go after men?

oh theres women predators. like this one

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0519063nc1.html

disturbing.

I haven't really done much research, but I think what they are doing to these wannabe pedophiles is a good thing.

[Simon]

I have to post this link so people can rinse their eyes after that one...

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/2...sex/index.html

[docholly]

We just had one of those female teacher/male student things here...
but the question is, the student, although a high school student, was 18.
NRS says that "engaging in sex with a 16 or 17 year old" so i guess 15 and under is ok.

Lawyer says No Crime

Teacher's MySpace Site

Picture of the teacher "playing" with her students.

[Jim]

I know the Women predators are out there. NBC Dateline claims that they only go after kids that are close to them, that's why we see none on PJ. I knew 3 of them when I was in my mid 20s. These 3 women, also in their mid 20s found a boy who was 15 and had sex with him. They laughed at it and said the boy will probably never have such a good experience like that in his life. At the time, being young and stupid, I thought the kid was lucky. But after time, I tried to find out the name of the kid so I could turn these women in to the police. But, they didn't even know his name.

[Murderous]

Originally Posted by docholly

We just had one of those female teacher/male student things here...
but the question is, the student, although a high school student, was 18.
NRS says that "engaging in sex with a 16 or 17 year old" so i guess 15 and under is ok.

Lawyer says No Crime

Teacher's MySpace Site

Picture of the teacher "playing" with her students.

WOW!

Her site states that she is 14 years old... she is aiming a bit low huh?

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Jim

I know the Women predators are out there. NBC Dateline claims that they only go after kids that are close to them, that's why we see none on PJ. I knew 3 of them when I was in my mid 20s. These 3 women, also in their mid 20s found a boy who was 15 and had sex with him. They laughed at it and said the boy will probably never have such a good experience like that in his life. At the time, being young and stupid, I thought the kid was lucky. But after time, I tried to find out the name of the kid so I could turn these women in to the police. But, they didn't even know his name.

Well, there's a bit of a double standard when it comes to this sort of thing as long as the woman doing it is good looking and as long as the boy is a teenager. I'm not saying it's right, but yeah that, "I thought the kid was lucky" type mentality pretty much is how most men would view the topic.

With so many teachers making the news for this sort of thing...I have to admit my first reaction was, "Why the hell didn't I have good looking teachers that put out!" lol, I know, it's wrong, but that's the knee jerk reaction you'll get from most guys.

[karomesis]

I know, it's wrong,

According to whom?


I lost my virginity when I was 13, and I have no regrets whatsoever.


The institution of democracy, if spread throughout the entire world, would set the age of consent around 15.|shocking|

As I am assuming most here are from the land of the free and the home of the brave where democracy is before as the highest ideal of govt, The voice of the people ect, ect. So the logical conclusion to "spreading" of democracy around the world is a culmination of the laws as well, leading to my preceeding statment.

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Murderous

WOW!

Her site states that she is 14 years old... she is aiming a bit low huh?

yeah yesterday it was public and she was 25.

HERE is the journal with links and quotes. The girl who owns the LJ works for the newspaper here in Vegas.

[walrus]

Originally Posted by karomesis

I lost my virginity when I was 13

What took you so long? Saving yourself!

[walrus]

Originally Posted by Jim

I know the Women predators are out there. NBC Dateline claims that they only go after kids that are close to them, that's why we see none on PJ. I knew 3 of them when I was in my mid 20s. These 3 women, also in their mid 20s found a boy who was 15 and had sex with him. They laughed at it and said the boy will probably never have such a good experience like that in his life. At the time, being young and stupid, I thought the kid was lucky. But after time, I tried to find out the name of the kid so I could turn these women in to the police. But, they didn't even know his name.

Like Karomesis, I lost my virginity at a very young age to a 28 year old neighbor and I've got to say that looking back, it probably was a very positive experience. In many ways she gave me a better sex ed class than my parents or the schools could ever have...

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by karomesis

... So the logical conclusion to "spreading" of democracy around the world is a culmination of the laws as well, leading to my preceeding statment.

Yes the"spreading of Democracy"=the spreading of legs

[Jim]

Originally Posted by karomesis

According to whom?


I lost my virginity when I was 13, and I have no regrets whatsoever.


The institution of democracy, if spread throughout the entire world, would set the age of consent around 15.|shocking|

As I am assuming most here are from the land of the free and the home of the brave where democracy is before as the highest ideal of govt, The voice of the people ect, ect. So the logical conclusion to "spreading" of democracy around the world is a culmination of the laws as well, leading to my preceeding statment.

So, let me get this right... Are you saying that child molestation is alright as long as the child is a male and the molester is a woman?

"Sadly, many men who were sexually abused by women are locked in silence, shame, and self-loathing. Society tells them that not only was their experience not abuse, but that they should have enjoyed it, and if they didn’t there must be something terribly wrong with them.

Even when their experiences are recognized as abuse, they may be viewed as having been “weak” or “not man enough” because they were unable to stop it, defend themselves, or put it behind them.

The myth that men can’t be victimized particularly by women is firmly entrenched in many cultures. Many men who dare acknowledge that they were sexually abused by women are cruelly laughed at and humiliated. Most do not dare say a word about it for fear of feeling any more ashamed than they already feel.

Many men who were sexually abused by women feel deeply ashamed of themselves, their sexuality, and their gender. Sadly and mistakenly, they believe that there must be something profoundly wrong with them that they were abused in this way. Some men defend against feeling this way by being in a constant state of anger or rage - one of the few emotions that are socially acceptable for men. Many male survivors cope with the abuse by drinking, using drugs, living recklessly, avoiding intimate relationships, numbing their feelings, dissociating, and becoming depressed, anxious or angry.

David Lisak, Ph.D."

[karomesis]

So, let me get this right... Are you saying that child molestation is alright as long as the child is a male and the molester is a woman?

No.


What i was trying to convey is that if all the laws in the world were brought together the age of consent would be around 15.

biologically speaking between the mid teens and mid 30's women posess certain fat distribution charachteristics that signall reproductive capacity and youth. An optimum waist to hip ratio is about .7 and is the typical "hourglass" shape that is correlated with health and resistance to disease. A higher ratio is indicative of diabetes, heart disease, hypertension and other maladies of illness.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract


If I see a beautiful woman who happens to be 17, do you think I will suddnely find her unattractive because the law says she must be 18 on the dot for me to do so?

I met my wife when she was 16 and she was fashioned as one of the graces, the very embodiment of youth and beauty. I don't apologize to anyone for my predilections and now that I have two healthy, happy, beautiful children with her, I know I chose wisely.