How to convert with tgp galleries?

[Stever]

O.k. So I've only been dabling with building and submitting galleries for the past couple months. (My dayjobs and poker site take most of my time.)

I need some serious advice on how to get tgp galleries to convert. I've had these two galleries get posted on the Hun.
http://www.steverslinks.com/StripPok...ating4fun3.htm
http://www.steverslinks.com/StripPok...ery/hn/Ice.htm

Lots of traffic and zero sales. 160000 hits, 2000 clicks thru to sponsor and did i mention zero sales. What's my problem?

Is it simply that I'm trying to promote a girl who's been out there for a while. Or is there a problem with the copy in the gallery?

PM me if you're willing to share your best techniques.

[Toby]

First, a question. Has this gallery design converted for you at other TGP's? The Hun sends a ton of traffic but it is a tough sell. It's best to use proven designs for your submissions.

In my opinion your banners and links don't have enough "pop". The link text is the same color as non-link text. The banner at the top and bottom are the same basic colors as the rest of the page. Nothing is really jumping out at me and saying "click me now!". Some of the right kinds of phrases are there but they're a bit bland. I also prefer to mix my text and sponsor links in among the thumbs a bit more, so that the thumbs aren't all grouped together. Here's an example of what I mean, although I tend to line everything up in nice tidy rows a little too much, I'm working on that.

http://www.bevyofbabes.com/tgp/vanes...own/indexc.htm

Your galleries aren't bad, but to convert Hun traffic well they need to be a notch above average, especially in the "teen" niche where there is a ton of competition.

[Rocco]

have you tried to sell some other sites? heard about it that sites that are new, hardcore (not only nudity) and not so often advertised sell best on galleries submitted to thehun.net

[Mr. Blue]

2000 clicks isn't really that many to judge yet. I think the standard rule is 5000 clicks and then evaluate.

Just a comment on the first gallery...those thumbs are really blurry and a little too small. If you do the cropping and editing in photoshop you'll just get a thumb a little more like this:

[Ramster]

When you send hits to the sponsor you did your job. So 2000 hits and no sales is not your problem (unless you lied saying the sponsor had something it did not). But as already said 2000 hits is not that much and hard to judge so your click ratio is low.

Clickthru ratio is low because of the thumbs I think. The gallery does not really make the surfer click to see bigger pictures or turn the surfer on to WANT to see this girl more.

The real issue here is NOT worrying what thehun did for you. Submit the gallery everywhere else and see how many hits you get and sales from those hits. Traffic from various places is the only way to test for sure.

[Stouch]

You are getting listed so thats a plus. The next thing is are you getting click throughs to the tour? If its yes then I would suspect that a massive tweaking of the gallery isnt necessary. If no, then you need to tweak. Next up, are those click throughs converting? If not then its either a) Time to try another sponsor, or b) tweak your traffic source.

[Stever]

Thanks for the feed back.

No, i have not had these viewing at other sites. The second one (most recent one) was also submitted to Persian Kitty but never showed, at least not yet. I will submit it to others to see if it can sell elsewhere. And I'll tweak the thumb quality too. As for sales text, I am horrable at this and am always tinkering, same on my poker site. Still have too much to learn here. Tips welcome.

Also, I do believe hardcore probably would sell better from Hun traffic. so the next time i submit there it will be sommething a little raunchier. Will have to wait a bit though, hun submissions sure eat up the bandwidth!!! simply amazing.

Anybody willing to categorize what types of sponsors sell best at each of the major traffic sites. i.e. harcore at the hun, solo teens at ????, milfs at ???, etc.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Stever

...Anybody willing to categorize what types of sponsors sell best at each of the major traffic sites. i.e. harcore at the hun, solo teens at ????, milfs at ???, etc.

Just my own observations here, your results may vary, but I've had far more success submitting to smaller niche specific TGP's. Nearly all of my submissions get listed, instead of half or a third, and they're usually listed within 48 hours rather than 3 to 4 weeks. More conversions, much less overall bandwidth, and faster turnover. But, I have to submit more galleries to more sites.

One other thing, few of the large TGP's are taking open submits these days, and many have gone to paid partner accounts.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by Toby

http://www.bevyofbabes.com/tgp/vanes...own/indexc.htm

Here is a tip... this gallery looks nice but I wouldn't break up the page like that... He is right... you need to make it pop but you want them to read your text and not be distracted by the pretty girl. I recommend that you don't use banners... always use text... secondly, use H1, U and EM tags... last... make sure you add name and alt tags to all of your images... the hun sends alot of traffic but search engines send more buyers.

Ok... One last tip... make sure you submit your gallery to every LL that you possibly can.

Here is an example of a gallery I am currently working on... I have decided to change the colors (lighter color... not brown and not use a japanese girl for the content because most of the girls on the paysite are filipino... but other than that it's shaping up well.
http://www.hotteengals.com/galleries...kini/index.htm

[Stever]

Originally Posted by nation-x

use H1, U and EM tags...

What are EM tags?

Very nice gallery nation-X, thanks for the advice.

[nation-x]

EM tag is HTML 4.0 tag to specify emphasis in text. They are similiar to <i> tags but have attributes. http://www.lorentzen.org/linettev/ht...nt.htm#logical

Thank you for the compliment...

[kbbq]

could just be something as simple as the sponsor.

a $25 join is a lot more difficult than let's say a $1 - 3 trial offer. i also wasn't a big fan of her tour.

but listen to what everyone else said too. they are wiser than i am

[Stever]

Here's a new one I just built today.

http://www.steverslinks.com/Naugty-L...-Lesbians2.htm

Whataya think?

I think the text works a bit better than my previous galleries. And the sponsor should sell well at sites that prefer hardcore, I think. I already started submitting it to a few sites.

The photos are screenshots from vids so the image quality aint great. What are your opinions on this. Nice crisp photos are nice but when it is obviously a screen shoot from the vids available on the site will it still sell well?

[Stever]

Hey Mozilla users. why does the gallery not line up as nice as viewed in IE. what are the coding nuances to get FireFox to interpret tables nicely. It seems to show things differently each time you load a page. Why is this?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Stever

Hey Mozilla users. why does the gallery not line up as nice as viewed in IE. what are the coding nuances to get FireFox to interpret tables nicely. It seems to show things differently each time you load a page. Why is this?

Try changing your charset definition (in meta tag at top of page) from
charset=windows-1250 to charset=iso-8859-1.

You might also want to include a doc type declaration, as the very first line at the top of the code
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

[Stever]

Originally Posted by Toby

Try changing your charset definition (in meta tag at top of page) from
charset=windows-1250 to charset=iso-8859-1.

You might also want to include a doc type declaration, as the very first line at the top of the code
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

I Tried Em both and still the same.

[Stever]

Fixed it.

There was a problem with cell padding in the bottom row of thumbs. Was Pushing the table wider than the set width.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by Stever

Here's a new one I just built today.

http://www.steverslinks.com/Naugty-L...-Lesbians2.htm

Whataya think?

I think the text works a bit better than my previous galleries. And the sponsor should sell well at sites that prefer hardcore, I think. I already started submitting it to a few sites.

The photos are screenshots from vids so the image quality aint great. What are your opinions on this. Nice crisp photos are nice but when it is obviously a screen shoot from the vids available on the site will it still sell well?

Looking better... if I were making it I would link all of the H1 text... Google eats links for lunch and I find that text contained within links gets more attention from the spiders.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by Stever

Fixed it.

There was a problem with cell padding in the bottom row of thumbs. Was Pushing the table wider than the set width.

I find that firefox actually is typically more tolerant of broken tables and it sure as hell shows CSS better.... but it doesn't matter because 90%+ of your surfers will be using IE in my experience.

[Stever]

Originally Posted by nation-x

it doesn't matter because 90%+ of your surfers will be using IE in my experience.

Actually my stats say 80% use IE. But I use Mozilla so it is like 100% Firefox to me. But then again I use Front Page to build my pages so MS is probably happy that their shit code screws up in Firefox.

Who has opinions on the screenshot pics. good/bad? Some sites dont want you to submit low quality images. How picky are they?