Let's Discuss Free Trials...

APMSarah · 2007-01-24, 01:31 PM

With fewer sponsors offering free trial options, what do you think is the future of free trials?
Do you think they’ll go away or start making a comeback?
For affiliates, is the free trial option still a very lucrative sell, or do you push different options more, and if so, which ones do the best for you?

Please share.

Greenguy · 2007-01-24, 03:18 PM

There are very few that can even process free trials, let alone make them work after paying $20-30 per sign up to the webmaster.

Most went to $1 trials because (I assume) it's easier to prove the auth for the recurring transaction if there's an original charge on the CC.

I like both & my surfers seem to like them as well, so if the program/site is good enough to make their money back after the PPS costs, then everyone is happy

Useless · 2007-01-24, 04:19 PM

I've never intentionally pushed trials, yet I've had trial sales - go figure. The few trial sales I've had weren't big bucks PPS and failed to convert to full memberships, so they haven't been a lucky proposition for me. In fact, I just discovered a trial sale (with $0 earnings

) a few days ago due to me using the wrong link code somewhere. (Maybe if I didn't have to click, choose option, click again, choose option, click again and so on, I would have used the correct link.)

GG's trial stats and my multiple in-depth scans of the LOR makes me think that trials must work very well for him, but I'm fucked in so many ways...so many, many ways...

Greenguy · 2007-01-24, 04:26 PM

Link Lists market free or $1 trials in a different way than free sites & galleries, but I can't see how it'd hurt to throw in your marketing text that the site offers a free or $1 trial so that you can get a couple extra clicks & hopefully a signup or 2

Preacher · 2007-01-24, 05:02 PM

I don't use a lot of sponsors with trials, but the ones I have are revshare and for me they just don't convert past the trial period.

You know how long it's going to take me to hit a $50 minimum with $1.60 per sale.

Greenguy · 2007-01-24, 05:08 PM

I honestly can't think of any program that offers free or $1 trials that does not PPS, so the revshare angle on this subject might be moot.

Useless · 2007-01-24, 05:32 PM

SammySmack:

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If your surfer signs up for a trial and you are using a Pay Per Signup (PPS) Program, then you will see a conversion in your stats. However, YOU WILL NOT see monetary credit until that trial converts to an active join at the end of the trial (i.e., no rebill = no dollars). To receive monetary credit for a trial signup, then please use one of the 50% Rev Share Programs.

That was where I got my previously mentioned $0 trial sign-up.

Preacher · 2007-01-24, 05:33 PM

You're right, I was referring to ($4.97 for a 3 Day Trial) and similiar revshare tours.

MrYum · 2007-01-24, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Preacher

I don't use a lot of sponsors with trials, but the ones I have are revshare and for me they just don't convert past the trial period.

You know how long it's going to take me to hit a $50 minimum with $1.60 per sale.

Yep, very similar results here.

It's either full ticket revshare or PPS for me

To answer the original question...I used to do quite well with the free signup proggies. The few old links I still have up to them, haven't done anything in months sales wise.

Greenguy · 2007-01-24, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

SammySmack:

That was where I got my previously mentioned $0 trial sign-up.

Yeah - as soon as I heard they did that, I switched back to the revshare signups. IMHO, that's just stupid (at least pay out a buck or 2 like the few other programs that have this sort of "Pay Per Sign Up" option do)

APMSarah · 2007-01-25, 02:55 PM

nice info guys, thanks!
Seems to be the opinion here that free trials are on their way out then??

Greenguy · 2007-01-25, 03:00 PM

I think that they've been on their way out due to CC fraud problems - but I still use them any chance I get

Toby · 2007-01-25, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Yeah - as soon as I heard they did that, I switched back to the revshare signups. IMHO, that's just stupid (at least pay out a buck or 2 like the few other programs that have this sort of "Pay Per Sign Up" option do)

They've finally set up a NO-Trials PPS option, but it's not available in your option list unless you request that it be added.

Qon · 2007-01-25, 04:07 PM

i think free trials are garbage... with quality content, good surfers that will rebill aren't discouraged from a buy due to having to spend a few dollars on something they actually want

bDok · 2007-01-25, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Qon

i think free trials are garbage... with quality content, good surfers that will rebill aren't discouraged from a buy due to having to spend a few dollars on something they actually want

i think this is the truth. I'm anti one trials too. I'll push dollar trials with a PPS, but rebill... most the time those people that do a dollar trial i find are there for the one dollar trial and then out.

Mr Exotic · 2007-01-25, 11:22 PM

Maybe I am just paranoid, but seems to me using free or 1$ trials that pay per sign up are just asking to get fucked. I know almost for a fact that a couple of my 1$ trial pps sponsors have been shaving the holy hell out of me. I see the exact same shit every single month, first pay period 1:300-500 and the second pay period of the month 1:3k or worse, this trend has gone on and on every single month I have used this one sponsor in particular. I have almost always used pps exclusively but I am thinking I am gonna be moving towards revshare. The few occaisons I have used revshare I get double or even triple the amount of sign ups I have ever gotten with a pps program, but my greedy ass thinks geez I could be making much more money so much quicker with PPS only to get my balls shaven off. Guess now I am seeing the good side of revshare now while all my PPS sponsors are shaving the fuck out of me I am still seeing some nice rebills.

Sorry to get off topic here, but I am very wary now of those free or 1$ trial sponsors that pay 25-35$ for free or 1$ trials.

Robbo · 2007-01-26, 09:24 PM

I was doing pretty well for a long time with a sponsor that has free trials on a pps program. Especially in a particular niche I do well with. I have noticed they slowed in the past few months but the thing is I tried to never market it as a free trial in my sales text in effect filtering those looking for the freebie. They have thier place and ways to use them like any other program offering which is the thing to understand. But the problem of them not recurring for the sponsors paying pps is definitely another issue to be reckoned with.

MonsterPartners · 2007-01-28, 10:41 AM

Greenie, the reason why they went to $1 trials is purely for "transaction" numbers. The way visa chargeback rules work is you are allowed say .07% of transactions to charge back before you are in trouble. Free trials do not count as a transaction, and the minimum they can charge is $1 so they went to $1 trials to help with their chargeback ratios.

There are several sponsors who are coming out with free trials again, so if that is your market, you will have more options available to you shortly

Halfdeck · 2007-01-28, 11:37 PM

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what do you think is the future of free trials?

I use them as a last resort.

2007-01-24, 01:31 PM	#1
APMSarah If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 33	Let's Discuss Free Trials... With fewer sponsors offering free trial options, what do you think is the future of free trials? Do you think they’ll go away or start making a comeback? For affiliates, is the free trial option still a very lucrative sell, or do you push different options more, and if so, which ones do the best for you? Please share. __________________ Check Out Inside Sarah

2007-01-24, 03:18 PM	#2
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	There are very few that can even process free trials, let alone make them work after paying $20-30 per sign up to the webmaster. Most went to $1 trials because (I assume) it's easier to prove the auth for the recurring transaction if there's an original charge on the CC. I like both & my surfers seem to like them as well, so if the program/site is good enough to make their money back after the PPS costs, then everyone is happy __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-01-24, 04:19 PM	#3
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	I've never intentionally pushed trials, yet I've had trial sales - go figure. The few trial sales I've had weren't big bucks PPS and failed to convert to full memberships, so they haven't been a lucky proposition for me. In fact, I just discovered a trial sale (with $0 earnings ) a few days ago due to me using the wrong link code somewhere. (Maybe if I didn't have to click, choose option, click again, choose option, click again and so on, I would have used the correct link.) GG's trial stats and my multiple in-depth scans of the LOR makes me think that trials must work very well for him, but I'm fucked in so many ways...so many, many ways... __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2007-01-24, 04:26 PM	#4
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	Link Lists market free or $1 trials in a different way than free sites & galleries, but I can't see how it'd hurt to throw in your marketing text that the site offers a free or $1 trial so that you can get a couple extra clicks & hopefully a signup or 2 __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-01-24, 05:02 PM	#5
Preacher There's Xanax in my thurible! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wherever they screw on my head Posts: 2,441	I don't use a lot of sponsors with trials, but the ones I have are revshare and for me they just don't convert past the trial period. You know how long it's going to take me to hit a $50 minimum with $1.60 per sale. __________________ NSCash * This Depraved World

2007-01-24, 05:08 PM	#6
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	I honestly can't think of any program that offers free or $1 trials that does not PPS, so the revshare angle on this subject might be moot. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-01-24, 05:33 PM	#8
Preacher There's Xanax in my thurible! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wherever they screw on my head Posts: 2,441	You're right, I was referring to ($4.97 for a 3 Day Trial) and similiar revshare tours. __________________ NSCash * This Depraved World

2007-01-25, 02:55 PM	#11
APMSarah If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 33	nice info guys, thanks! Seems to be the opinion here that free trials are on their way out then?? __________________ Check Out Inside Sarah

2007-01-25, 03:00 PM	#12
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	I think that they've been on their way out due to CC fraud problems - but I still use them any chance I get __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-01-25, 04:07 PM	#14
Qon The only guys who wear Hawaiian shirts are gay guys and big fat party animals Join Date: May 2005 Location: HELL Posts: 170	i think free trials are garbage... with quality content, good surfers that will rebill aren't discouraged from a buy due to having to spend a few dollars on something they actually want __________________ OP Links \| Webmaster Programs \| Thailand Dream Vacation Tour -

2007-01-25, 11:22 PM	#16
Mr Exotic rifuckingdiculous Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cornfield in Indiana Posts: 532	Maybe I am just paranoid, but seems to me using free or 1$ trials that pay per sign up are just asking to get fucked. I know almost for a fact that a couple of my 1$ trial pps sponsors have been shaving the holy hell out of me. I see the exact same shit every single month, first pay period 1:300-500 and the second pay period of the month 1:3k or worse, this trend has gone on and on every single month I have used this one sponsor in particular. I have almost always used pps exclusively but I am thinking I am gonna be moving towards revshare. The few occaisons I have used revshare I get double or even triple the amount of sign ups I have ever gotten with a pps program, but my greedy ass thinks geez I could be making much more money so much quicker with PPS only to get my balls shaven off. Guess now I am seeing the good side of revshare now while all my PPS sponsors are shaving the fuck out of me I am still seeing some nice rebills. Sorry to get off topic here, but I am very wary now of those free or 1$ trial sponsors that pay 25-35$ for free or 1$ trials. __________________ Submit Free Sites/Galleries

2007-01-26, 09:24 PM	#17
Robbo No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Greenguy County, NY Posts: 236	I was doing pretty well for a long time with a sponsor that has free trials on a pps program. Especially in a particular niche I do well with. I have noticed they slowed in the past few months but the thing is I tried to never market it as a free trial in my sales text in effect filtering those looking for the freebie. They have thier place and ways to use them like any other program offering which is the thing to understand. But the problem of them not recurring for the sponsors paying pps is definitely another issue to be reckoned with. __________________ The hardest thing for an intelligent man to understand is stupidity.

2007-01-28, 10:41 AM	#18
MonsterPartners A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 59	Greenie, the reason why they went to $1 trials is purely for "transaction" numbers. The way visa chargeback rules work is you are allowed say .07% of transactions to charge back before you are in trouble. Free trials do not count as a transaction, and the minimum they can charge is $1 so they went to $1 trials to help with their chargeback ratios. There are several sponsors who are coming out with free trials again, so if that is your market, you will have more options available to you shortly __________________ Monster Partners