Some domains are banned. Why?

[AFRevenue]

Hello,

some domains on my host are banned with the reason "fetishspace is 3fnnet host". Why?
I'm not a "3fnnet".

[Useless]

When I see fetishspace in someone's whois, I assume that their domains are sponsor hosted. Would that be correct? If not, who is the host?

[Yahook]

I know that sponsor hosts are banned but I don't understand why. Some sponsor hosts are even faster and more realiable than a pay hosts.

[Surfn]

I doubt that you have the capacity to understand why Yahook. |banghead|

[AFRevenue]

I assume that their domains are sponsor hosted. Would that be correct?

1. It is not correct...
2. I'm the owner of both AFRevenue program and fetishspace hosting.
3. No one domain with "fetishspace" in the whois is sponsor hosted.
Just a sample: http://nylon-pictures.com/
We can see 16 paysites promoted on this domain... but nothing deals with AFRevenue program.
Is it OK for sponsor hosted domains?

[Ramster]

Yahook
The reason sponsor hosted domains are banned by many people is the webmaster has NO control over the domain and hosting so the sponsor could pull the hosting at any time. Therefore banning hosting NOT owned by the poster is a good way to reduce 404 and redirects in the future.

[AFRevenue]

I know that sponsor hosts are banned

We are speaking here not about banned sponsor hosts, Yahook.

I try to find here a reason why my servers, where I sell virtual hosting plans, are banned with the reason "fetishspace is 3fnnet host".

[MrMaryLou]

The whois tells it all :)

[AFRevenue]

The whois tells it all :)

What exactly it tells?

Registration and WHOIS Service Provided By: directNIC.com

Registrant:
Nova Publishing ltd.
16 G Malekides street app 23
Paphos, CY 49130
CY
7416646


Domain Name: FETISHSPACE.NET

Administrative Contact:
Patlias, Georgia
16 G Malekides street app 23
Paphos, CY 49130
CY
7416646

Where is above written that fetishspace is a sponsor host?

[MrMaryLou]

Who said it was a sponsor host LOL its
same ip
Domain name: pornofamily.net

Patrick Steepman (7ND8X)
16 G Malekides street app 23
East End, CY 49130
Cyprus


Record last updated on 2005-03-31 00:00:00
Record created on 2002-04-05 00:00:00
Record expires on 2006-04-05 00:00:00

Domain servers in listed order:
ns2.3fn.net
ns1.3fn.net

[AFRevenue]

Who said it was a sponsor host LOL its
same ip
Domain name: pornofamily.net

Is your surename Holms?

Yes, I have one server rented from 3fn.
And all MY domains are hosted on it.
pornofamily.net is my domain.
fetishspace.net is also my domain.
You can see "16 G Malekides street app 23" in both whois info ...
I'm an owner of both companies.. but they have different administrators.. and all my domains are registered on this address.

MY domains are hosted on the one server
(rented from 3fn)...
Another domains (not mine, but my clients, are hosted on another servers)... They even are allocated on the different routers, as you could see in the traceroute...

[MrMaryLou]

MMM case closed you are hosted at 3fn.net

[AFRevenue]

MMM case closed you are hosted at 3fn.net

I'm not hosted at 3fn.net...
I rent a racspace and upstrim entry point from 3fn.net, can you see the difference?

[AFRevenue]

Ok. You ban pornofamily.net, cause it is hosted on 3fn.net...
you don't like 3fn.net ...

But another domains?

[Yahook]

Yahook
The reason sponsor hosted domains are banned by many people is the webmaster has NO control over the domain and hosting so the sponsor could pull the hosting at any time. Therefore banning hosting NOT owned by the poster is a good way to reduce 404 and redirects in the future.

You're correct. But I was talking about the case when webmaster owns the domains. He can change NS servers any time he likes and move all his sites to another host.

[Greenguy]

Any hosting that you do not pay for is free - it's a very simple concept.

As far as 3fn, they've been banned by a lot of Link Lists for a long time. There's been a lot of whois hiding & secret nameservers & whatnot, but in the end, we usually find the sites that use their hosting.

[Yahook]

Some content is also free.

[AFRevenue]

Any hosting that you do not pay for is free - it's a very simple concept.

All webmasters which keep their domains on the fetishspace hosting are pay for it.


As far as 3fn, they've been banned by a lot of Link Lists for a long time. There's been a lot of whois hiding & secret nameservers & whatnot, but in the end, we usually find the sites that use their hosting.

Can you see the difference between "3fn hosting" and "3fn equipment"?

You can ban 3fn hosting, of course, cause you don't like a 3fn policy.

But why you ban another company, with another policy, which use 3fn equipment?

I'm AFRevenue ... I'm not 3fn...

I rule these servers... 3fn doesn't rule it.

If some time ago one "Jaguar" run over your lovely frog... Should you kill all people which drive "Jaguars"?

[Greenguy]

What the fuck does hosting have to do with content?

And there's not much anyone can say to me to get me to remove the ban on 3fn.

[Yahook]

Any hosting that you do not pay for is free - it's a very simple concept.

People don't pay for some content and it's free - it's the same concept. Nothing personal.

I'm really upset than there are no garantee for well made free site to be listed in all linklists :(

[Greenguy]

I do not list free hosted sites this is clearly stated in my rules. So any moron stupid enought to submit a free hosted site to me should be disappointed in themselves for not reading the rules & blaming me.

You are starting to get realt fucking annoying. Go run your link list your way & stay the fuck out of my business.

[MrMaryLou]

Why Oh Why |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead| |banghead|

[RawAlex]

People don't pay for some content and it's free - it's the same concept. Nothing personal.

I'm really upset than there are no garantee for well made free site to be listed in all linklists :(

I provide listing services to webmasters who, like myself, have invested to be in a business. I do not extend the same professional courtesy to people using free or bartered hosting. I consider that their sites, content, and pages can disappear at random, they have no control over their business, and therefore I don't need to take their listings.

I also don't take porn sites illegally hosted on geocities and personal webspace provided by your local ISP (such as AOL). Does that make me a truly bad man?

As for 3FN, well, if you rent space in a bad neighborhood and just change the name on your door, you are still in a bad neighborhood.

Alex

[AFRevenue]

And there's not much anyone can say to me to get me to remove the ban on 3fn.

I don't ask you to remove the ban on 3fn.
I just ask you to remove ban on domains hosted on my servers.
It's very simple to recognize it.
They have a fetishspace.net in whois.

[RawAlex]

You don't get the point. It isn't about what the DNS is (many hosts let you self-manage a dns, often using the name of one of your domains as the dns) but where you are hosted. You are still in a bad neighborhood.

Alex

[AFRevenue]

As for 3FN, well, if you rent space in a bad neighborhood and just change the name on your door, you are still in a bad neighborhood.


1. I don't rent a space... I rent whole servers.

2. I rented these servers 2 years earlier than you considered than 3fn is "bad neighbour".

3. The name on my door is always mine

[AFRevenue]

but where you are hosted. You are still in a bad neighborhood.

I am hosted on my own servers which located in NY. Do you ban all servers located in NY?

[Greenguy]

AFRevenue - anything associated with 3fn is is banned.

Can we help you with anything else?

[AFRevenue]

AFRevenue - anything associated with 3fn is is banned.

Thank you.


Can we help you with anything else?


Can you tell me where I can allocate my servers without a risk to be banned again when you consider to ban another whole hosting?

[Useless]

So where would I guy like me go to get a paid hosting account with you? This isn't much of a sales page: http://fetishspace.net/ When I see a static page like that, I'm forced to assume that it's sponsor hosting because that's pretty much what many sponsor hosts do on the root for their nameserver domains.

[Yahook]

Guys, I don't try to touch your business, it was my own opinion.

And I have the same opinion about free hosted sites submitted by webmaster, I can only add them manually with my refcode.

[Greenguy]

Are we even talking about the same thing?

A "Free Hosted Site" is a site that's on Free Hosting that the webmaster does not pay for.

A "Hosted Free Site" is a free site that the affiliate program puts out fr Link List owners to list with their affiliate codes.

Two COMPLETELY different things.

[AFRevenue]

So where would I guy like me go to get a paid hosting account with you?

I use "people to people" sales technology.
You need very good recomendations to get a paid hosting account with me.
And it could be a bit expensive... cause I use Dual Xeon 3.06 servers with 4GB RAM and fast SCSI hard drives, plugged to the 100 mb/s pipes, and don't load them more than on 50%...
My servers are faster than 88% of another hosts in the internet, according to Alexa.

[Yahook]

Are we even talking about the same thing?

Yes, I was talking about the Free Hosted Sites in my first message. But as I've said above - this is just my own opinion ;)

[Surfn]

This is the most language challenged thread yet |banghead|

[Linkster]

fetishspace has always been banned because of your incest sites - Ive always found it amazing that you have in your terms and conditions that people cant use the terms incest in their metas for sites promoting your sponsor program - yet you own at least 10 incest sites that I know of - add that to 3fn being another cheater haven - that has always made for a double ban

[AFRevenue]

Ive always found it amazing that you have in your terms and conditions that people cant use the terms incest

The reason is that "incest" terms violate Visa US cards processing regulations.

But all sites are fake "incest" sites... and it is legal even in USA... Mastercard, ACH and SMS-billings accept it... even Visa CAL and Visa NL accept it.

Fake "incest" porn is legal almost anywhere in the world...

Will you ban thehun and all associated with? He accepts animal porn... which is legal ONLY in Niederlands and Japan...

[Yahook]

IMHO:
AFRevenue, every webmaster has their own conceptions what is bad and what is good. And lots of people here just use their own rules to judge somebody. They have more good position because this is their native language, this is not your board. I think it's impossible to proove something to them.

[fetish1]

I think the part that amazes me most about posts like this is the fact that it seems TOO SIMPLE to understand. If I choose to ban your site because I don't like pink text, I CAN...it's MY site, and you don't have to like it, you don't have to abide by it, but you also DON'T have to submit there if you don't like my "pink rule". Pissing, moaning and whining...or asking me why I don't ban sites with blue text really ISN'T going to change things.

It's kind of |deadhorse

[Linkster]

But all sites are fake "incest" sites
Will you ban thehun and all associated with? He accepts animal porn

And I dont happen to agree that incest(fake), rape(fake),young teen(fake) or animal is acceptable - so I dont list them.
And yes the hun would be banned if he ever submitted it to me :) But I doubt seriously that he would submit a free site to any LL |dizzy|

fetish1 has it right - its my list, my traffic and my choice - not yours - if you want to list that stuff or be associated with it - thats your choice - I choose to ban anyone that uses certain hosts - I dont care if they own the host, rent from them, steal from them or have a free deal with them - they just arent going to get listed - final!
I am not sure why this topic keeps coming up as if you do a search of this board there are loads of threads since the board opened about which hosts are banned - and why. Its not going to change and no amount of posting dissenting opinions is going to sway a LL owner to change their rules - they have them for a reason

[AFRevenue]

And yes the hun would be banned if he ever submitted it to me :)

So, I never submit any kind of these fake sites to you... or to another LL.
You just know that I have some of it.
And you ban another sites, even not my sites, which are hosted on my servers
(even not 3fn servers) only at the reason I have 3fn servers and I have sites that you don't like... |huh

You have right to ban anything you want... but... |huh

[Useless]

What's fake incest? Is that what you call it when the sister acts like she's having an orgasm eventhough her brother is a bad and uncaring lover? :D

Why is the movie Joe Dirt suddenly coming to mind?

[Linkster]

You have right to ban anything you want... but... |huh

Actually - it wouldnt matter in your specific case as I only take partners submits and youre not one of them - so kind of a nonsense argument about my banning - I have certain rules and my submitters all know what they are and they all follow them - thats why they are partners and others are not. And I posted a week ago that I am not open for new partners right now :)

[RawAlex]

So, I never submit any kind of these fake sites to you... or to another LL.
You just know that I have some of it.
And you ban another sites, even not my sites, which are hosted on my servers
(even not 3fn servers) only at the reason I have 3fn servers and I have sites that you don't like... |huh

You have right to ban anything you want... but... |huh

I think you miss the point.

Your server in a hosting cesspool is still in a cesspool. Nobody is going to care if you paid for the box or 3fn bought the box and rented you, or whatever. You are in a cesspool, plain and simple.

You pay money for hosting to a company that supports types of sites that most american LL won't list.

The individual link sites are private business that can pick and choose who and how they list people. You may not LIKE that, but all the whining in the world won't change it.

Alex

[Yahook]

RawAlex and Linkster, I would appreciate very much if you give me the list of approved hosting compannies here. There is situation now that people don't know which hosting company to choose.

[swedguy]

RawAlex and Linkster, I would appreciate very much if you give me the list of approved hosting compannies here. There is situation now that people don't know which hosting company to choose.
You've been around GG&J since Oct 2003 and still don't know the answer to that request? :)

[Surfn]

You've been around GG&J since Oct 2003 and still don't know the answer to that request? :)
Just what I was was thinking too |banghead|

[RawAlex]

RawAlex and Linkster, I would appreciate very much if you give me the list of approved hosting compannies here. There is situation now that people don't know which hosting company to choose.

Yahook, I have been told that russian people are clever. This should not be a difficult puzzle to resolve. All the clues are there, spend a little time, make some investigations, and the answers are there for the taking.

|headbang| |headbang| |bananna|
Alex

[Yahook]

Yahook, I have been told that russian people are clever. This should not be a difficult puzzle to resolve. All the clues are there, spend a little time, make some investigations, and the answers are there for the taking.


This is not for me, this is for all submitters.

[RawAlex]

Well, get 5 or 10 of your "friends / employees / alter egos" to work on it and make a nice public announcement or something.

Alex

[fetish1]

RawAlex and Linkster, I would appreciate very much if you give me the list of approved hosting compannies here. There is situation now that people don't know which hosting company to choose.

PLEASE see following thread so we can save ourselves rereading the SAME conversation once again....

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=17554

|banghead| |banghead| |banghead|

[AFRevenue]

What's fake incest?

|huh

Fake means that the picture is labeled "sister and brother", but really they are not relatives... just porn actors.
All incest sites I know are fake
(not reality, just fantasy) ...

Or may be you think that family from "Flodders strange family" movie is real family? Or Sandra Bulloc was really raped by group of guys in another film ( don't remember it's title... something about roller skates)? |waves|

[RawAlex]

Or may be you think that family from "Flodders strange family" movie is real family? Or Sandra Bulloc was really raped by group of guys in another film ( don't remember it's title... something about roller skates)? |waves|

The standard answer from people who don't have a clue about the differences between "acting" and "performing". There are plenty of movies out there that show people being killed, raped, blown up, and having sex. A no time do any of them actually die, get blown up, get raped or have actual sex.

In porn movies, people perform sex acts (for our entertainment). They sure are acting (most of them don't enjoy it) but in reality they are just doing what comes naturally, boy fucks girls (or boy fucks boy, girl fucks girl, many fuck many, whatever). The movie is entirely about sex, the sex isn't in passing, isn't a sideline, or isn't only alluded to (see Sex in the City, where sex is key to the show yet there is no actual sex in the show).

If you cannot see the difference between the two, then I more clearly understand why you think that renting space for 3FN isn't actually renting space from 3FN.

Alex |huh

[AFRevenue]

You pay money for hosting to a company that supports types of sites that most american LL won't list.

Nobody asks you to list those types of sites... Nobody also asks you to list any other type of sites... You can reject all sites, if you want... and without any reason. It's your right and personal business, of course.

But include good sites that YOU simply won't list, by the mentioned above reason, into the public blacklist... it is not already your personal business.

[AFRevenue]

differences between "acting" and "performing". There are plenty of movies out there that show people being killed, raped, blown up, and having sex. A no time do any of them actually die...

To the question about what is fake "incest" porn... What is the fake in this case?
Porn actors are performing sexual act, and ACTING that they are realtives.
(that's about difference between "performs" and "acts")
But, no time are any of them actually relatives.

P.S. I don't propagandize incest, just answer what is "fake incest porn".
(do you see the difference?)

[Yoda]

It seems he really don't see the difference, RawAlex.

Let me explain him on fingers:

Movie:

ACTORS: perform, NOT act
VIEWRS: know that actors perform and NOT act

Porn Movie:

ACTORS: perform & ACT
VIEWRS: know that actors perform and ACT

[Linkster]

First off - the banning that I do of specific hosts does not get shared on a public blacklist - as a matter of fact I dont let people know what hosts are blacklisted other than the ones that have been posted on this board over a few years. And I wont give out the info because it wouldnt help anyone that submits to me as I am partner only and they all know what hosts I dont accept.

Second - the simulated incest issue - right now as the law stands in the US - it is against the law - although it is being looked at by the circuit court as part of the 2257 issue - some of the wording in the new version basically made simulated the same as real - it will probably be struck down, but Im sure not gonna stake my business on it.
Basically - with the way the federal laws interact with specific state laws on obscenity and what is and is not allowed - it would be stupid to try to pander to an audience looking for incest - and based on the keyword metas you have on your site - you are pandering to them

[RawAlex]

To the question about what is fake "incest" porn... What is the fake in this case?
Porn actors are performing sexual act, and ACTING that they are realtives.
(that's about difference between "performs" and "acts")
But, no time are any of them actually relatives.

P.S. I don't propagandize incest, just answer what is "fake incest porn".
(do you see the difference?)

Intent.

2 hour fuck movie.

a 10 second reference during the normal course of a 2 hour feature film.

Purient Interest.

If you don't understand the difference, then I can understand your other misconceptions.

Alex

[RawAlex]

It seems he really don't see the difference, RawAlex.

Let me explain him on fingers:

Movie:

ACTORS: perform, NOT act
VIEWRS: know that actors perform and NOT act

Porn Movie:

ACTORS: perform & ACT
VIEWRS: know that actors perform and ACT


I don't know what porn movies you are watching... they are terrible actors. They perform (dick in, dick out, repeat), they rarely act. Most porn acting involves "Hi, my name is bob, let's fuck".

Alex

[urb]

I'm not reading the "Link Lists & Getting Listed" forum anymore, because it hurts my brain.

[Useless]

|huh

Fake means that the picture is labeled "sister and brother", but really they are not relatives... just porn actors.
All incest sites I know are fake
(not reality, just fantasy) ...

Or may be you think that family from "Flodders strange family" movie is real family? Or Sandra Bulloc was really raped by group of guys in another film ( don't remember it's title... something about roller skates)? |waves|Don't treat me like I'm the idiot, you rotten, no-good, nasty puddle of fuck juice. I was being SARCASTIC. Hence, the example I gave. I realize that sarcasm can be easily lost in translation, but I don't think that's what happened here, or you would have responded to me immediately - not a day later.

Why don't you sick fuckers go start a new board catering exclusively to scumbags whom promote incest and rape? That way you won't have to keep attempting to declare your moronic reasoning as to why it's okay to do.

Incase your English isn't so good, allow me to translate the full meaning of my post:
FUCK YOU

[AFRevenue]

I was being SARCASTIC.

Put your SARCASM into your clever asshole...

GreenGuy can teach me something...
Linkster can also...
But not you... especially using
"you rotten, no-good, nasty puddle of fuck juice" sentences. You are actually "useless"...

[Useless]

You are actually "useless"...Wow! Look who's clever now. Never, ever, ever heard that one. Why would you call me 'useless' as an insult when I've already proclaimed myself to be useless? Call me something original like spooge monkey, ass lapper, scrote smuggler...something, anything. Just be original for fuck's sake. If you can't be creative, just fake it. Or do you need the definition of fake? Oh, that's right - you've got that covered.

[Yoda]

I don't know what porn movies you are watching... they are terrible actors. They perform (dick in, dick out, repeat), they rarely act. Most porn acting involves "Hi, my name is bob, let's fuck".

Alex

Well,... you see my english is very bad :D ...we need third word.

Act(false, art), perform(false, not art, just mechanic, but actual mechanic) and something third that should be used instead of "act" in my post. But I think HE understand what I mean :D

[AFRevenue]

spooge monkey, ass lapper, scrote smuggler

What should I speak, if you know all about yourself, without my help?

[Useless]

What should I speak, if you know all about yourself, without my help?You see - now that was funny. |headbang|

[RawAlex]

Well,... you see my english is very bad :D ...we need third word.

Act(false, art), perform(false, not art, just mechanic, but actual mechanic) and something third that should be used instead of "act" in my post. But I think HE understand what I mean :D

How about Ronnie (false, humourous attemt to act, not art, mostly fucking and licking, somewhat mechanical and slightly hairy) :D

Alex

[Yoda]

How about Ronnie (false, humourous attemt to act, not art, mostly fucking and licking, somewhat mechanical and slightly hairy) :D

Alex

:D Exactly! Now we need to substitute all that by a new one word. It will be tremendous success among linguists!

[stuveltje]

|huh

Fake means that the picture is labeled "sister and brother", but really they are not relatives... just porn actors.
All incest sites I know are fake
(not reality, just fantasy) ...

Or may be you think that family from "Flodders strange family" movie is real family? Or Sandra Bulloc was really raped by group of guys in another film ( don't remember it's title... something about roller skates)? |waves|i quess you are not talking about the dutch flodders fam right???

[Surfn]

I'm not reading the "Link Lists & Getting Listed" forum anymore, because it hurts my brain.
I can only take a few minutes at a time anymore myself...

[RawAlex]

:D Exactly! Now we need to substitute all that by a new one word. It will be tremendous success among linguists!

I guess this makes us cunning linguists.

|pokefun| |pokefun| |pokefun| |badidea|

[MadMax]

"And now she eases gently from her Austin to her Bentley..."

[AFRevenue]

i quess you are not talking about the dutch flodders fam right???

About second film... where they are in USA already |jester|

[AFRevenue]

I guess this makes us cunning linguists.

Yes, cunnilinguists, exactly |headbang|

[AFRevenue]

dutch

Sorry... what is "poes"?

I know that it means "cat"... but I have dutch documents with line "Sexe : poes"
Is it male or female?

[Useless]

As if it even matters....I've never heard of Flodders strange family and cannot think of any film in which Sandra Bullock gets raped. I have seen a movie where Jodie Foster gets gang raped in a bar, but it's overall plot was about her struggle to bring the rapists to justice, not "oh goody, Jodie gets raped".

[swedguy]

Floggers Familiy? Sure got some weird shows going on in Netherlands.