[2011-06-08 19::58:31] » Cleo was promoted to operator by ChanServ. [2011-06-08 19::58:38] virgohippy: hiya Cleo [2011-06-08 19::58:44] pc: hi there Cleo [2011-06-08 19::58:54] Cleo: Hi everyone [2011-06-08 19::59:25] » SimonNotHere is now known as Simon. [2011-06-08 19::59:34] virgohippy: hiya Simon [2011-06-08 19::59:36] pc: Hi Simon [2011-06-08 19::59:43] Cleo: Simon is awake [2011-06-08 19::59:52] Simon: hiya Cleo ... Blake ... Poul [2011-06-08 19::59:53] » Bill joined the chat room. [2011-06-08 20::00:07] pc: Hi Bill [2011-06-08 20::00:07] virgohippy: Hiya Bill [2011-06-08 20::00:23] Simon: hey Bill ... good luck finding those anal teens [2011-06-08 20::00:29] virgohippy: da, da da... "where everybody knows your name"... [2011-06-08 20::00:31] Bill: hey all [2011-06-08 20::00:32] virgohippy: =D [2011-06-08 20::00:44] Simon: actually I mean a sponsor who understands the niche [2011-06-08 20::00:50] Bill: lol [2011-06-08 20::01:12] Cleo: Just finishing up eating my tofu chick nuggets here [2011-06-08 20::01:13] Bill: I'm personally a bit too old to be chasing actual teens for anal [2011-06-08 20::01:41] virgohippy: the first thing I noticed this year (since getting back to building traffic) the first thing I noticed: many sites just don't sell anymore [2011-06-08 20::01:48] Bill: but thats not how porn works as a item to attrcat sales [2011-06-08 20::01:51] virgohippy: is eating beans and cheese on toast [2011-06-08 20::02:27] pc: is not eating anything, but thinks that might be a good idea to eat something while listening to the show [2011-06-08 20::02:46] Cleo: Spent all afternoon editing Pamela's vids and watching her do anal porn [2011-06-08 20::02:57] virgohippy: made you hungry, Cleo? [2011-06-08 20::02:58] Simon: no ... finding sponsors who understand the niches of their sites is very important... and then ones who know how to sell the niches ... very very rare [2011-06-08 20::03:54] » JohnnyRS joined the chat room. [2011-06-08 20::04:27] Bill: one of my "fantasies" is to start a new kind of paysite company that concentrates on really understanding the niche [2011-06-08 20::04:34] Simon: *waves* to Cleo ... ready when you are [2011-06-08 20::07:38] virgohippy: well... damn... nobody said it started! [2011-06-08 20::08:52] virgohippy: "absolutely terrible" lol [2011-06-08 20::09:11] Bill: yeah it's fuckin brutal [2011-06-08 20::09:35] virgohippy: some sponsors are giving me 1:30,000+ [2011-06-08 20::09:38] virgohippy: =( [2011-06-08 20::10:42] Bill: yes, the need for a new paysite model [2011-06-08 20::12:02] virgohippy: I love kittens [2011-06-08 20::13:33] virgohippy: "they wanna try to piss them off, so they can get them to leave and show them a pop-up console, without your affiliate code" [2011-06-08 20::13:36] virgohippy: *nods* [2011-06-08 20::14:10] Bill: lol ten [2011-06-08 20::14:21] Bill: if you are lucky with your niche [2011-06-08 20::16:46] virgohippy: Simon is breaking up for me. [2011-06-08 20::16:50] Bill: me too [2011-06-08 20::17:45] virgohippy: wow... before spam... [2011-06-08 20::17:50] virgohippy: dinosaur days! [2011-06-08 20::19:01] virgohippy: I can understand everything so far, just don't want to miss anything [2011-06-08 20::19:42] virgohippy: newsletter! [2011-06-08 20::19:55] Cleo: Is that better now? [2011-06-08 20::20:07] Bill: a bit yes [2011-06-08 20::20:09] virgohippy: I think so... [2011-06-08 20::21:36] virgohippy: so you have 1 big list? or lots of little lists? [2011-06-08 20::21:43] virgohippy: broken down by niche? [2011-06-08 20::21:48] virgohippy: do you profile 'em? [2011-06-08 20::23:48] Bill: yes hang up and call again [2011-06-08 20::23:53] virgohippy: what about once a month? [2011-06-08 20::24:02] Bill: basic skype technique lol -but sometimes dont work [2011-06-08 20::24:06] virgohippy: that'd be a lot easier to maintain [2011-06-08 20::28:23] Simon: http://www.fetish-news.org/fn/a/2011.0605.html [2011-06-08 20::29:09] » cd34 joined the chat room. [2011-06-08 20::29:36] virgohippy: hiya sparky [2011-06-08 20::29:41] virgohippy: Simon is talking about newsletter [2011-06-08 20::29:43] virgohippy: s [2011-06-08 20::29:48] cd34: yep, recognized the voice [2011-06-08 20::30:06] virgohippy: http://www.fetish-news.org/fn/a/2011.0605.html [2011-06-08 20::30:10] virgohippy: an example he posted [2011-06-08 20::30:37] pc: hi cd34 [2011-06-08 20::30:55] virgohippy: oh, I was gonna ask if the banner was there too [2011-06-08 20::30:58] virgohippy: = [2011-06-08 20::31:33] virgohippy: what are the legal obligations with gathering email addresses and sending mail? [2011-06-08 20::31:33] cd34: hello everyone [2011-06-08 20::31:42] Bill: hey man [2011-06-08 20::31:55] cd34: (still dealing with a really bad migraine, so, schedule is a bit odd) [2011-06-08 20::32:05] Cleo: Achieve of the news letter is at the root [2011-06-08 20::32:07] Cleo: http://www.fetish-news.org/ [2011-06-08 20::32:13] Bill: fuck [2011-06-08 20::32:41] Bill: migraines suck, I dont get em, but get insomnia, which also sucks [2011-06-08 20::33:34] Bill: what mailing company is that again simon? [2011-06-08 20::33:39] virgohippy: what is the script again? I was looking at the archives [2011-06-08 20::33:43] » dunc joined the chat room. [2011-06-08 20::33:48] virgohippy: hiya dunc [2011-06-08 20::34:06] dunc: Hey Virgo - tech issues figuring out Adium :) [2011-06-08 20::34:10] pc: hi there dunc [2011-06-08 20::34:15] dunc: Hey PC [2011-06-08 20::34:40] Bill: spall it please or type it [2011-06-08 20::34:52] Cleo: http://dadamailproject.com/ [2011-06-08 20::34:53] Bill: ahhhh mojo I recall that name [2011-06-08 20::35:26] virgohippy: dada, like the art movement =) [2011-06-08 20::36:12] Bill: compare it to phplist? which I have used for various mainstream projects [2011-06-08 20::37:33] dunc: Dada is easier than phplist I reckon [2011-06-08 20::38:10] virgohippy: simple is good [2011-06-08 20::38:13] virgohippy: less to go wrong [2011-06-08 20::38:50] dunc: Do you track emails Simon (opens, bounces, junk etc) - like you can in Aweber, Campaign monitor etc - if so, how? [2011-06-08 20::40:21] Cleo: Dada doesn't do that Dunc or at least not that I know of [2011-06-08 20::40:32] virgohippy: tracking pixel! =P [2011-06-08 20::43:06] dunc: Thanks :) [2011-06-08 20::43:44] virgohippy: I was actually hoping this was going to get into newletters [2011-06-08 20::43:51] virgohippy: and it did. =) [2011-06-08 20::44:04] Bill: sorry to be a downer, but I feel a bit bummed by discussing mailing lists at this point in the state of the industry [2011-06-08 20::44:09] virgohippy: "anything is a fetish when it comes to time to spend money" [2011-06-08 20::44:12] virgohippy: did I get that right? [2011-06-08 20::45:04] virgohippy: "sell it like a fetish" <--- can you get into this? [2011-06-08 20::46:08] Bill: I do have some interest in bdsm as a sales target - i've always made some percentage of sale sin that niche, altho I havn't seen it holding its sales edge as the rest of the market declines [2011-06-08 20::46:38] Bill: I've seen a lot of bdsm activity in places liek secondlife [2011-06-08 20::47:37] dunc: Has anyone had any luck selling mainstream fetish sites like fetishhell.com? [2011-06-08 20::47:38] virgohippy: too much digital breakup... [2011-06-08 20::47:46] Bill: skype is breaking up again man [2011-06-08 20::48:29] Bill: I used to sell fetishhell frequently, then topbucks ruined it, because it was crap inside, and they knew it, so they made the tour crap [2011-06-08 20::48:57] virgohippy: all I heard was... "asdlngalk smack them around adoksngakklj" [2011-06-08 20::49:02] virgohippy: hehe [2011-06-08 20::49:02] Bill: lol [2011-06-08 20::49:08] virgohippy: I heard that! [2011-06-08 20::49:16] virgohippy: "hits the hot button and makes them cum!" [2011-06-08 20::49:50] virgohippy: I like what I'm hearing! [2011-06-08 20::49:59] pc: i think it's breaking up when Simon is a bit angry :) [2011-06-08 20::49:59] virgohippy: I just don't know what I'm missing [2011-06-08 20::50:03] virgohippy: lol [2011-06-08 20::50:32] Simon: XXX-XXX-XXXX [2011-06-08 20::50:38] virgohippy: woops! [2011-06-08 20::50:41] Bill: thats what i think of as "The Hook" - the specific image or idea that make sthe person involved compulsively follow to seek the orgasm - I try to use it in my sales text [2011-06-08 20::51:02] Simon: just don't put that on bathroom walls guys, okay? [2011-06-08 20::51:08] virgohippy: but use "the hook" exclusively, don't confuse the surfer with lots of other stuff [2011-06-08 20::51:24] virgohippy: much better! [2011-06-08 20::51:34] virgohippy: Simon is less sexy though [2011-06-08 20::51:59] pc: don't archive Simons cell # [2011-06-08 20::52:09] virgohippy: we'll have to remind Cleo to cut out the line with Simon's number before posting the archive [2011-06-08 20::52:13] Bill: well, when writing the sales text, "the hook" is basically a phrase, a cluster of two to five words, that communicates an image or a feeling or a memory [2011-06-08 20::52:15] Cleo: I'll remove it, thanks [2011-06-08 20::53:29] virgohippy: hmm... the join page has to be requested... interesting [2011-06-08 20::54:17] virgohippy: sometimes I miss the days of censored free porn =P [2011-06-08 20::55:45] Bill: its always easiest to sell what you understand [2011-06-08 20::55:50] virgohippy: if it makes you squirm, and feel uncomfortable in your skin... you're doing it right =P [2011-06-08 20::56:13] Bill: hhahahahahahha [2011-06-08 20::56:53] Bill: you know the hook, you understand who is buying it, and why, and can write sales text that grabs the deep mind of your target surfer [2011-06-08 20::57:32] Bill: lol topping from teh bottom [2011-06-08 20::58:33] virgohippy: are bondage accessories mainstream? =P [2011-06-08 20::58:53] virgohippy: I like suspension [2011-06-08 21::00:32] Bill: lets start a paysite company that concentrates on doing the niches right - with collective ownership [2011-06-08 21::00:37] virgohippy: the best BDSM I've experienced scared me... made me feel powerless/powerful... that's how I know I like it. =P [2011-06-08 21::01:27] Bill: an employee owned company that gives its stock to the webmasters that own it [2011-06-08 21::02:33] Bill: lol hippy i'm dom so I don;t understand the powerless or powerful part - doms aren;t powerful, they are in control [2011-06-08 21::02:53] virgohippy: depends on who I'm playing with =P [2011-06-08 21::03:28] Bill: LOLOLOLOLOL [2011-06-08 21::03:33] virgohippy: an experienced man like Simon... I'd give up control completely... I might not even have a safe word [2011-06-08 21::03:50] Bill: (about czech girls on couches) [2011-06-08 21::04:47] Bill: and lol to VH about sub nature - smile [2011-06-08 21::05:53] pc: great show, now off to go to set up my first newsletter [2011-06-08 21::06:02] virgohippy: yeah, great guest Simon [2011-06-08 21::06:09] virgohippy: that's my favorite line too Cleo [2011-06-08 21::06:30] Bill: yeah that was a great line simon about czech girls lololol [2011-06-08 21::06:40] virgohippy: thanks Simon [2011-06-08 21::06:45] dunc: Thanks SImon :) [2011-06-08 21::06:48] virgohippy: thanks Cleo [2011-06-08 21::07:20] Bill: lol [2011-06-08 21::07:21] cd34: thanks Simon, sorry to have come in late.. [2011-06-08 21::07:30] Cleo: It's been a great show. Looking forward to next week's show. Bye all :) [2011-06-08 21::07:32] Bill: ciao [2011-06-08 21::07:35] pc: thx Cleo, Simon, good night [2011-06-08 21::07:39] Simon: thanks everyone for the questions and interest :) [2011-06-08 21::07:46] Bill: time to hang with my sweetie [2011-06-08 21::07:48] Bill: bye [2011-06-08 21::07:52] Simon: thanks for having me on Cleo [2011-06-08 21::07:57] » Bill left the chat room. [2011-06-08 21::08:00] Simon: talk with you all later