Where will porn be under DJT?

Pagan · 2017-01-24, 04:16 PM

I'm already seeing some rumbling and grumblings. XBiz had a post up about FetLife losing both of their merchant accounts because they are *too kinky*. It hasn't shut them down - yet - but it has set them back on their heels. Apparently having groups discuss fantasy incest and rape is a bit too much. They are also a unique site, and shutting them down. It has always been a great community, much like Facebook but for the kinksters for those that don't know. You can do a lot for free there, but if you subscribe you get more. They are also based in Canada. It isn't directly connected to DJT, but we know that they regard porn as a menace to public health. Could this be the tip of the iceberg?

And what is confusing to me is all the new pseudo-incest sites - stepfamily banging. Just about every major program out there has them and they are coming out with more each day. Safe to promote?

DJT will likely get to porn quickly as he has already decided to go ahead and build the two oil pipelines in the Dakotas, withdraw from the TPP, renegotiate NAFTA, begun the repeal of Obamacare (ACA) and reinstated the Mexico act (no funds to NGOs that even breathe about abortion) - all in the first 4 days of taking office. I run link lists and TGPs mainly on servers based in the UK. I still hold US citizenship, but am a permanent resident of Finland. I don't collect any money directly or data, so I don't feel the need to be on https - yet.

What direction do you see porn going this next year or so?

Cleo · 2017-01-24, 05:26 PM

All I know is sales are totally dead.

I'm wondering if paying for a server to host porn on is even worth it or if I should just have a cheap shared hosting for my mainstream stuff.

Pagan · 2017-01-24, 07:19 PM

I actually did have one sale this year, which shocked me. I do see traffic but nobody is buying. The times are too uncertain. People here in Europe are looking too, but waiting to see what DJT and Putin are going to do.

ecchi · 2017-01-24, 08:35 PM

I hate to be mercinary but if the US clamps down on selling porn, the rest of us get your customers! And I might be able to afford to move to Norfolk at last.

Pagan · 2017-01-24, 10:12 PM

The issue with the credit card processors is worldwide. Yes, we do have some card processors here in the EU, but do they follow what the two big guys say? How long is it before a company like Kink has their funds cut off?

JAI-LING · 2017-01-24, 11:18 PM

Fetlife lost 2 merchant accounts in the last week. There is a long post on xbiz forum from Colin about it.
Ah, I didn't see Pagan's post about it.

They are Canada based. Of course some of the stuff they were processing...no wonder.

We are doing well with niches, toys and cams. Willing to barter techie/design work for specific seo tips, on how to attract that traffic. Its all in search.

Cleo · 2017-01-25, 09:14 AM

Yeah traffic is there. I see join hits. But almost no sales.

Ramster · 2017-01-25, 10:20 AM

It wasn't processing that stepped in on FetLife, it was Visa. No Visa, no processing from Anyone.

ecchi · 2017-01-25, 10:39 AM

Processing will be difficult if Visa/Access pull out of porn. But I suspect they will only pull out of the extreme end of porn, provided you are not into that I think you will be OK. And even if they do pull the plug on all porn, some other entrepreneur will fill the gap. Where there is a gap in the market, some gready businessman will swan in to profit from it. Or a "no porn on credit cards" policy may be the spur that gets Bitcoin promoted from "alternative currency used mostly by geeks" and up into the world of "everyday use".

One good thing that can be said about President Fart is that he will shake up reality, and for better or for worse, the world will be a very different place in four years time.

Greenguy · 2017-01-25, 12:30 PM

I know Joe Obenberger spoke on this at Internext, so I'm hoping there will be an article in the next issue of AVN about his seminar or one by him.

Weird thing I thought of the other day: our best days slinging porn were the 8 years before Obama when Bush was in office. Maybe the industry will prosper again now that another Republican is on the house (I know - wishful thinking lol)

Pagan · 2017-01-25, 03:11 PM

One huge issue is there is no one definition of what the extreme end of porn is. What goes in California certainly is not the norm in the deep south and it certainly is not the norm in the more liberal EU. (I am still shocked at times over the number of full frontal nude shots in some of these shows on regular broadcast TV - the antenna kind - on before 10pm. Nudity here is pretty normal. I mean, they go to the sauna naked - with strangers no less. Those kinds of shows would NEVER be shown in the US on regular broadcast TV, much less the Bible Belt. And we know the UK is going through its own form of regulations right now. Maybe Brexit will be enough of a distraction?

I do remember the old days when you did not have any real nudity on the banners and even the content was softcore. Are we headed that way again?

And Greenie, if we had a Republican politician in office, we might be headed back towards those wonderful days. Instead, we have a guy who has been a Democrat, Independent, and then Republican who has declared bankruptcy several times and had some interesting times with his businesses. At best, he is unpredictable. The Republican party now regards porn as a threat to public health probably for the first time ever. All we can do is pop the popcorn and wait it out.

JAI-LING · 2017-01-26, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleo

Yeah traffic is there. I see join hits. But almost no sales.

Push new or different programs then. I was experiencing the same. These days I've narrowed the focus and sales roll in. Not like the hay dayz but...if sponsors are cutting non-performing affiliates then affiliates can cut non-performing sponsors.

ecchi · 2017-01-26, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAI-LING

Push new or different programs then.

Everyone knows my opinion here, You've shouted me down often enough. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and my sales for December on my adult sites were almost entirely non adult products. Plus those adult sales I did make we're for adult eBooks from A1 (not just mine' but affiliate sales too) none for adult websites, and last month not even any adult video sales either.

As Einstein said "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking that got us into this mess in the first place."

But still everyone insists on wasting their hard earned traffic by just promoting adult stuff!

JAI-LING · 2017-01-27, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecchi

Everyone knows my opinion here, You've shouted me down often enough. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and my sales for December on my adult sites were almost entirely non adult products. Plus those adult sales I did make we're for adult eBooks from A1 (not just mine' but affiliate sales too) none for adult websites, and last month not even any adult video sales either.

As Einstein said "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking that got us into this mess in the first place."

But still everyone insists on wasting their hard earned traffic by just promoting adult stuff!

Great quote. I agree 100%. I'm going to check out your porn stories site.

If anyone is looking for a new BDSM/bondage site to promote, check, BondageLife out. We did their Japanese translations. They are forward thinking owners. Great deals for surfers. Everything from cam shows to erotica to instruction. And slender, cute, leggy girls.

Pushing adult or mainstream you have to think globally.

Pagan · 2017-01-27, 08:46 AM

I still think we need to think responsibly too.

Looks like a great site Jai-Ling, but... under their TOS:

"- You place our merchant banners anywhere on your site as you see fit, or within non-spam emails.

- Adult, Hate, or other related sites are not allowed"

See, I have a HUGE problem with advertising any site with nudity or partial nudity on any of my mainstream sites and not on adult. I don't even have ads for sex toys on them - ever. Nice looking site. Too bad I can't promote them in any way. Most mainstream hosts will also frown on promoting that site on anything but adult-oriented.

I also have to wonder about the trend towards explicit images on the first page anyone sees. It wasn't that long ago that we kept all of those behind an enter button, where clicking that button also meant you represent yourself as being of legal age. We also used meta tags to indicate we were adult sites so that if the parental units had monitoring software, their little darlings could not view the site. If I was a conservative porn-hating politician, nothing would get my pants in a wad faster than seeing a page like that with no warning. I know the UK was also very strict on BDSM and what images were allowed to be shown outside of a paysite.

JAI-LING · 2017-01-27, 12:16 PM

Pagan
I do not promote them on any mainstream sites. I would not do that either. Just mentioning them as a new option.

I'll be a happy camper when people have to join a site and pay something, even if a netflix rate, to see any nude videos or anything beyond boobs.

Porn biz allowed itself to be overrun by thieves who dictate(d) business. Its fucking ridiculous.

Pagan · 2017-01-27, 02:42 PM

The problem with that site (BondageLife) is the Terms for Affiliates prohibits them from promoting them on adult sites. Why would any adult-oriented site expressly prohibit it? If you promote them on an adult site, you are in violation of their terms. Usually that means you don't get paid for any sales. (View their terms for affiliates here) Scrolling down that page, you will also see under the Registration heading:

"THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF SITES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN bondagelife.com: ADULT SITES, SITES THAT DISPLAY ADULT BANNERS, SITES THAT PROMOTE VIOLENCE, BIGOTRY, OR HATRED. SITES THAT PROMOTE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY"

Sounds pretty dictatorial to me, and also tricky.

JAI-LING · 2017-01-27, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pagan

The problem with that site (BondageLife) is the Terms for Affiliates prohibits them from promoting them on adult sites. Why would any adult-oriented site expressly prohibit it? If you promote them on an adult site, you are in violation of their terms. Usually that means you don't get paid for any sales. (View their terms for affiliates here) Scrolling down that page, you will also see under the Registration heading:

"THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF SITES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN bondagelife.com: ADULT SITES, SITES THAT DISPLAY ADULT BANNERS, SITES THAT PROMOTE VIOLENCE, BIGOTRY, OR HATRED. SITES THAT PROMOTE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY"

Sounds pretty dictatorial to me, and also tricky.

Hey.
Thanks for pointing that out. I've asked them about it. It seems totally incorrect...but I will let you know what they say.

ecchi · 2017-01-28, 05:42 PM

I'm guessing it is a mistake, that they copied the conditions from a template. However if I am wrong, and they are deliberatly trying to get traffic via non adult sites, then they are trying to sell bondage porn to kids, and we should treat them like any other paedophile. (IE kick them to the floor and stamp on their heads until they are a squishy mess.)

2017-01-24, 04:16 PM	#1
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,634	Where will porn be under DJT? I'm already seeing some rumbling and grumblings. XBiz had a post up about FetLife losing both of their merchant accounts because they are too kinky. It hasn't shut them down - yet - but it has set them back on their heels. Apparently having groups discuss fantasy incest and rape is a bit too much. They are also a unique site, and shutting them down. It has always been a great community, much like Facebook but for the kinksters for those that don't know. You can do a lot for free there, but if you subscribe you get more. They are also based in Canada. It isn't directly connected to DJT, but we know that they regard porn as a menace to public health. Could this be the tip of the iceberg? And what is confusing to me is all the new pseudo-incest sites - stepfamily banging. Just about every major program out there has them and they are coming out with more each day. Safe to promote? DJT will likely get to porn quickly as he has already decided to go ahead and build the two oil pipelines in the Dakotas, withdraw from the TPP, renegotiate NAFTA, begun the repeal of Obamacare (ACA) and reinstated the Mexico act (no funds to NGOs that even breathe about abortion) - all in the first 4 days of taking office. I run link lists and TGPs mainly on servers based in the UK. I still hold US citizenship, but am a permanent resident of Finland. I don't collect any money directly or data, so I don't feel the need to be on https - yet. What direction do you see porn going this next year or so? __________________ Submit Here!

2017-01-24, 05:26 PM	#2
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	All I know is sales are totally dead. I'm wondering if paying for a server to host porn on is even worth it or if I should just have a cheap shared hosting for my mainstream stuff. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2017-01-24, 07:19 PM	#3
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,634	I actually did have one sale this year, which shocked me. I do see traffic but nobody is buying. The times are too uncertain. People here in Europe are looking too, but waiting to see what DJT and Putin are going to do. __________________ Submit Here!

2017-01-24, 10:12 PM	#5
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,634	The issue with the credit card processors is worldwide. Yes, we do have some card processors here in the EU, but do they follow what the two big guys say? How long is it before a company like Kink has their funds cut off? __________________ Submit Here!

2017-01-24, 11:18 PM	#6
JAI-LING Currently in an Oppai Bar Getting Tittified! Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,254	Fetlife lost 2 merchant accounts in the last week. There is a long post on xbiz forum from Colin about it. Ah, I didn't see Pagan's post about it. They are Canada based. Of course some of the stuff they were processing...no wonder. We are doing well with niches, toys and cams. Willing to barter techie/design work for specific seo tips, on how to attract that traffic. Its all in search. __________________ DM me to have your content making money in Japan. New opps available. Last edited by JAI-LING; 2017-01-24 at 11:33 PM..

2017-01-24, 08:35 PM	#4
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	I hate to be mercinary but if the US clamps down on selling porn, the rest of us get your customers! And I might be able to afford to move to Norfolk at last.

2017-01-25, 09:14 AM	#7
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Yeah traffic is there. I see join hits. But almost no sales. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2017-01-25, 10:20 AM	#8
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,672	It wasn't processing that stepped in on FetLife, it was Visa. No Visa, no processing from Anyone. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2017-01-25, 10:39 AM	#9
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	Processing will be difficult if Visa/Access pull out of porn. But I suspect they will only pull out of the extreme end of porn, provided you are not into that I think you will be OK. And even if they do pull the plug on all porn, some other entrepreneur will fill the gap. Where there is a gap in the market, some gready businessman will swan in to profit from it. Or a "no porn on credit cards" policy may be the spur that gets Bitcoin promoted from "alternative currency used mostly by geeks" and up into the world of "everyday use". One good thing that can be said about President Fart is that he will shake up reality, and for better or for worse, the world will be a very different place in four years time.

2017-01-25, 12:30 PM	#10
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,741	I know Joe Obenberger spoke on this at Internext, so I'm hoping there will be an article in the next issue of AVN about his seminar or one by him. Weird thing I thought of the other day: our best days slinging porn were the 8 years before Obama when Bush was in office. Maybe the industry will prosper again now that another Republican is on the house (I know - wishful thinking lol) __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2017-01-25, 03:11 PM	#11
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,634	One huge issue is there is no one definition of what the extreme end of porn is. What goes in California certainly is not the norm in the deep south and it certainly is not the norm in the more liberal EU. (I am still shocked at times over the number of full frontal nude shots in some of these shows on regular broadcast TV - the antenna kind - on before 10pm. Nudity here is pretty normal. I mean, they go to the sauna naked - with strangers no less. Those kinds of shows would NEVER be shown in the US on regular broadcast TV, much less the Bible Belt. And we know the UK is going through its own form of regulations right now. Maybe Brexit will be enough of a distraction? I do remember the old days when you did not have any real nudity on the banners and even the content was softcore. Are we headed that way again? And Greenie, if we had a Republican politician in office, we might be headed back towards those wonderful days. Instead, we have a guy who has been a Democrat, Independent, and then Republican who has declared bankruptcy several times and had some interesting times with his businesses. At best, he is unpredictable. The Republican party now regards porn as a threat to public health probably for the first time ever. All we can do is pop the popcorn and wait it out. __________________ Submit Here!

2017-01-27, 08:46 AM	#15
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,634	I still think we need to think responsibly too. Looks like a great site Jai-Ling, but... under their TOS: "- You place our merchant banners anywhere on your site as you see fit, or within non-spam emails. - Adult, Hate, or other related sites are not allowed" See, I have a HUGE problem with advertising any site with nudity or partial nudity on any of my mainstream sites and not on adult. I don't even have ads for sex toys on them - ever. Nice looking site. Too bad I can't promote them in any way. Most mainstream hosts will also frown on promoting that site on anything but adult-oriented. I also have to wonder about the trend towards explicit images on the first page anyone sees. It wasn't that long ago that we kept all of those behind an enter button, where clicking that button also meant you represent yourself as being of legal age. We also used meta tags to indicate we were adult sites so that if the parental units had monitoring software, their little darlings could not view the site. If I was a conservative porn-hating politician, nothing would get my pants in a wad faster than seeing a page like that with no warning. I know the UK was also very strict on BDSM and what images were allowed to be shown outside of a paysite. __________________ Submit Here!

2017-01-27, 12:16 PM	#16
JAI-LING Currently in an Oppai Bar Getting Tittified! Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,254	Pagan I do not promote them on any mainstream sites. I would not do that either. Just mentioning them as a new option. I'll be a happy camper when people have to join a site and pay something, even if a netflix rate, to see any nude videos or anything beyond boobs. Porn biz allowed itself to be overrun by thieves who dictate(d) business. Its fucking ridiculous. __________________ DM me to have your content making money in Japan. New opps available.

2017-01-27, 02:42 PM	#17
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,634	The problem with that site (BondageLife) is the Terms for Affiliates prohibits them from promoting them on adult sites. Why would any adult-oriented site expressly prohibit it? If you promote them on an adult site, you are in violation of their terms. Usually that means you don't get paid for any sales. (View their terms for affiliates here) Scrolling down that page, you will also see under the Registration heading: "THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF SITES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN bondagelife.com: ADULT SITES, SITES THAT DISPLAY ADULT BANNERS, SITES THAT PROMOTE VIOLENCE, BIGOTRY, OR HATRED. SITES THAT PROMOTE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY" Sounds pretty dictatorial to me, and also tricky. __________________ Submit Here!

2017-01-28, 05:42 PM	#19
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	I'm guessing it is a mistake, that they copied the conditions from a template. However if I am wrong, and they are deliberatly trying to get traffic via non adult sites, then they are trying to sell bondage porn to kids, and we should treat them like any other paedophile. (IE kick them to the floor and stamp on their heads until they are a squishy mess.)