Link Sites Bull..?

[Wild_Unicorn]

Maybe this is just me and me letting my link site rules become lapse, but I have had the biggest load of bull rejection of my life!
I generally build sites based on my own web sites rules which I would like to think are about average.

I have been listed on 99% of link sites all except one. I'm not going to name what one even though I think it is lame, I I was just thinking of introducing this thread to them.

http://www.smileyslinks.com/halfmanhalflady/

Would anyone else reject this site for having the term 'Enter Here' on the banner?

I would think that a surfer would have the sense to realise that a nice big enter link would indicate the entrance of the site, not something in small text in the corner of a banner.

What do you guys think?

[dallasdeb]

Would anyone else reject this site for having the term 'Enter Here' on the banner?

I would.

The fact that there is no text around that banner identifying it as a paysite makes it even more misleading. Most links sites that I submit to (and also my own) insist on the word 'enter' appearing only once on the warning page, and that includes on the banners.

[plateman]

I wouldnt if the rest of the site looked clean and no blindish links and that banner wasnt next to the enter link

the picture file size is kinda big 98k on one i checked that kills those dialup people they either leave your site or the link list that they are on..

[Opti]

Originally posted by Wild_Unicorn
Would anyone else reject this site for having the term 'Enter Here' on the banner?

No.. but more than one site does reject for it... and it's their rules... if they dont reject every site you submit.. its probably not personal... and if they email you with an explanation.. I would guess they want you to keep submitting in future ;-)

[Wild_Unicorn]

if they dont reject every site you submit.. its probably not personal... and if they email you with an explanation.. I would guess they want you to keep submitting in future ;-)

I hadn't really thought about it like that. Maybe it's just me then |couch|

[xxxjay]

Post your question here and it shall be answered:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4928

[Wild_Unicorn]

Why would put it there Jay?

This has nothing to do with your link site |huh

[Trax]

has this opage been fixed already? cuz i have no idea what you guys are talking about

[Greenguy]

That "enter here" on the banner would be ok with me. If it was down, say right under the enterance to the site or near it, I might decline it.

I'm more worried aobut the obvious blind links with the word "enter" in them.

[finnbear]

I have been in same situation. I try to avoid banners that has enter here as text, but sometimes it's something like blinking text that I didn't notice. That has happened. Usually it's just 1 or 2 LLs that reject for that, others list my site.

[Wild_Unicorn]

Thanx for all your input guys.

I just wanted to hear whether it was just me thinking something wasn't that important when it was.

Looks like I'll just be avoiding them banners or that link site |bananna|

[Cleo]

I don't know if it was my link list that might have declined you or not seeing as I'm not the only one that does reviews and anyway I always blame all the bad stuff on Luna. LOL

With a banner way up top that says Enter it is pretty much hot or miss if it will get accepted.

I declined one today that had a PersianKitty recip and her recip had a big Enter on it.

[Smoothie]

To me it looks fine, Ithink I approved it under a different name, you can obviously see that the "ENTER" is part of the banner and not an entrance to the site.

[xxxjay]

Originally posted by Wild_Unicorn
Why would put it there Jay?

This has nothing to do with your link site |huh

Good. Right?

[Kezza]

While Premium Sex Links (http://www.premium-sex-links.com/) and Link Fabulous (http://www.link-fabulous.com/) hate blind links I am sure we or our reviewers would have passed that one

[Wild_Unicorn]

Thanx for all the feedback guys.

Seems like we are have our own opinions regarding it all; but the majority are cool with it.

Smetimes it seems like we are making this business that much harder for each other, All because of a few dickheads that are about.

Once again thanx everyone for your input |roses|

[Opti]

Originally posted by Wild_Unicorn
Once again thanx everyone for your input |roses|

No problem... but btw Dan.. who's a sexy boy then? (http://www.sexxxphiles.com/categories/Webmaster_News/Community_Profile/05-2004/) |smooch| ;-)))

[natalie]

|bananna| Wow wow woweee
Dan you are a sexy boy! Submitting to you will never be the same.|smooch|

[Wild_Unicorn]

No problem... but btw Dan.. who's a sexy boy then? ;-))Wow wow woweee Dan you are a sexy boy! Submitting to you will never be the same.

Lol, Cheeky ... But Funny hahahaha LMAO

I didn't know that that many people would see me When Slick Rick asked me to write it for him.

Thanx foer the compliments, nice to hear I can still pull! Hehe|flowers|

[Tino]

Originally posted by Opti
No.. but more than one site does reject for it... and it's their rules... if they dont reject every site you submit.. its probably not personal... and if they email you with an explanation.. I would guess they want you to keep submitting in future ;-)

Well said. Thats excactly how it works at my linklist. If the site is to far away from what I want to list- im not gonna bother mailing them about it. If its just a few things that needs to be changed- I might send them a mail about it.

[DangerDave]

Well...

Wild_Unicorn maybe you need to go read a few rules again...

Even if the enter on the banner didnt get you rejected... the hidden search engine spam in your page should/would have got you rejected here, ......and the fact that you ignored peoples rules about "free-hosting" should get you blacklisted in a few places too..

Don't blame the link lists when you cant follow the most simple rules.

[Opti]

Originally posted by DangerDave
......and the fact that you ignored peoples rules about "free-hosting" should get you blacklisted in a few places too..

Don't blame the link lists when you cant follow the most simple rules.

Dan: is this freehosted? http://www.smileyslinks.com/halfmanhalflady/

Dave: how do you pick up freehosted domains? just built up a list of DNS servers?

[plateman]

yeah Wild_Unicorn i could have sworn i checked the dns on your first couple of submitts but i must have not but just did "rev share hosting"


opti dave must have checked the dns i been useing this http://www.dnsstuff.com/

just makes me wonder because everybody gets checked that i dont know but it looks like if you cant overlook a dns check on nobody..

[Cleo]

Hidden links, free hosting. :(

Seeing as I knew you from the boards I never really checked you stuff real good. :(

I had a bunch of your sites listed until a few minutes ago. Now you have a new listing on my ban list. :(

WTF were you thinking |angry|

[Opti]

plateman: thanks for that.. I meant more how do people pick up all the dns server names that freehosts use.. is it just that everyone keeps their own list when recognizing them or does someone keep a central list of the DNS servers used by freehosters and scammers somewhere? Either way.. if anyone has a good list of known freehosting DNS servers they wouldn't mind sharing.. I would appreciate a copy.
WTF were you thinking
Dan: what on earth were you thinking?!? And I didnt think revsharehosting's terms would allow you to run smileyslinks off there anyway.

[Cleo]

I've found going the DNS and seeing what is there works pretty well.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Cleo
I've found going the DNS and seeing what is there works pretty well.

true, but I have never maintained a list and am now checking them automatically.. just trying to save some time by starting out with a good list is all. But thinking about it, I am sure it wont take too long to log all the main ones myself if I have to.

[Wild_Unicorn]

You guys have all known me for a long time and i'm not in the game of making enemies but DD - YOU ARE TALKING B**L SH*T!! |angry|


Before you start accusing, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT FULLY!!

Originally posted by DangerDave
Well...

Wild_Unicorn maybe you need to go read a few rules again...

Even if the enter on the banner didnt get you rejected... the hidden search engine spam in your page should/would have got you rejected here, ......and the fact that you ignored peoples rules about "free-hosting" should get you blacklisted in a few places too..

Don't blame the link lists when you cant follow the most simple rules.

Thanx for enlightening me over some of things that you think you are aware of. Let me enlighten you to a few facts!!

I do not submit my sites to you as you have your NO REVSHARE rule, I respect your rules and as a result I submit to you no more.

Yes I do use rev-share hosting and I have been with them for a long time. Wild Unicorns was always fu*king up and causing me serious problems with getting listed. That is why I told the webmaster of revshare that I was changing host to a paid server. His response to that was that he could offer me Paid hosting on the core servers for a small price. That way he still gets a little from what I make and I don't have to go through the hassle of changing all my domains over.
I decided to go ahead with it and from then I have been Hosted on RevCore7 of revshare hosting and have been there for a long time. And I do PAY FOR THE SERVICES!!

It has 99.8% uptime (much like every other paid host).
Plus I recieve every other feature that all other paid hosts do.
I have the webmaster's office and cell phone number for tech support, full address and the help of his team when I need.
No freehost is going to ofer that!!

ANYONE NAME ME ANY FREEHOST WITH ANY OF THEM FEATURES?

RevCore IS a PAID HOST - But he only offers it to webmasters that have been on the other crappy servers before. The one difference being I pay less for the loyalty I have shown him!

I can get him to substantiate everything I'm saying if anyone likes and if anyone wants to check up on it feel free!

Directly from an e-mail dated last year:
---------------------------------------------------------------
I have changed all 4 of those domains to RevCore-7...however, you won't be able to see anything off the new servers until your pc's cache clears and allows you to get to your domain via the new ip's.

Please let me know if all is well?

Good luck with this new move and I'm sure you'll recieve none of the problems you have done before.


Maestro
www.revsharehosting.com
Bridging the gap between FREE and PAID hosting
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In regard to having invisible links at the bottom of a page for search engines to my own sites I honestly didn't know I couldn't do it.
We all try and get traffic from search engines and link popularity is something we all work for. No surfer is ever going to click on them and besides that from what I saw they caused no harm.

That fact that people have kicked up a fuss about them obviously means it is a no no, for which i'm genuinely sorry to anyone it has offended. I have removed them all and will ensure none of my future sites will contain any.

There is not one person on this board that has ever had a bad experience with me (to my knowledge) and I'm not into fucking people over, there are loads of webmasters out there to substantiate my character. I am a genuinely honest webmaster and have spent alot of time specifically building good relationships with other webmasters and it has taken me a long time to build what I have. Does anyone honestly think I would conciously make dumb ass mistake that could ruin me in this business and burn every bridge I have ever built with other webmasters?

Cleo and any other webmasters that are thinking shitty of me now feel free to substantiate anything I have said. If I've gained any bans from anyone over this then I would also hope that you reconsider.

Thanx in advance |pcwins|

[Cleo]

No free hosts and a maximum of three outgoing links.

What part of the above do you not understand?

[Wild_Unicorn]

Originally posted by Opti

Dan: what on earth were you thinking?!? And I didnt think revsharehosting's terms would allow you to run smileyslinks off there anyway.


This is more proof that I am on the RevCore servers and am not bound by the same rules like all the other free hosted sites.

This is how Wild Unicorns was only small one day and grew massive the next. I was given serious freedom to pretty much do what I like.

[Wild_Unicorn]

Originally posted by Cleo
No free hosts and a maximum of three outgoing links.

What part of the above do you not understand?

It isn't a free host!

... and for the latter i'm a dickhead and I'm sorry.
If i didn't give a shit then I would have left them there!

Cut me some slack for christ sake!

[LiLJ]

hmm

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Wild_Unicorn
It isn't a free host! Who controls the 404? You or your host?

[Wild_Unicorn]

Seeing as revshare is such an issue for many webmasters I will use a new paid host for all my future free sites.

I'm sorting it right now.

[Wild_Unicorn]

Originally posted by Surfn
Who controls the 404? You or your host?

I have control of it. I just let the boss man know what I want and upload the file. He takes a look that it is not full of shit and activates it fully.

I am tied into only into few of the standard revshare rules due to where my sites are they do not apply as the server is far more powerful and can handle the pressure.

I have called Maestro and sent a link of this thread to him to check it out.

[Cleo]

You can get a dedicated server now for $49.

If you can't afford to pay for your own hosting out of what you make each month then you need to find another occupation seeing as flipping burgers pays much more then this.

I'm a vegetarian so I don't have time to review sites from people that make less then you could flipping burgers.

[RevShare Hostin]

Cleo, Opti, Plateman and Surfn...

Just to chime in here for a minute...yes, Dan started on our main RevShare Hosting program...as all our wm's do. However, Dan has proven himself in our program for almost 2 years now and he has been moved to our RevCore program. He pays for this hosting just like he would pay for ANY other paid hosting...and he gets ALL the benefits of ANY paid host. We still have him serving off our revsharehosting.com nameservers as it's usually easier to just change the ip associated with the domain and point to a RevCore server...and avoid the dns/nameserver change. Not sure what is the deal with your 2-3 link rule and if Dan is in compliance with that...but don't for another minute think that Dan in on a 'free host'.

Surfn...as with ALL our webmasters that use their OWN domains...our webmasters DO, AND ALWAYS HAVE controlled their own 404 pages. Yes, we have a default 404 page setup until such time as that webmaster changes it to his own sponsor codes...so I'm not sure what the arguement is there.


Thansk,

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

[Surfn]

Originally posted by RevShare Hostin
Surfn...as with ALL our webmasters that use their OWN domains...our webmasters DO, AND ALWAYS HAVE controlled their own 404 pages. Yes, we have a default 404 page setup until such time as that webmaster changes it to his own sponsor codes...so I'm not sure what the arguement is there.


Thansk,

Maestro
RevShare Hosting So you are saying that if a webmaster submits an incorrect link or a surfer types in an incorrect URL they get the owners 404? This doesn't jive with my experience.

[RevShare Hostin]

Cleo,

What does the fact that you can get a dedicated server for $49 have to do with anything? What about bandwidth...you don't get SHIT for $49/month. I have webmasters that do 200 sales/week and are still using RevShare Hosting/RevCore servers...it has NOTHING to do with the fact that there are $49 dedicated servers out there. They are still here because I put them on multiple servers if they need it...no setup fees, no server fees...no bandwidth bills. ALL our servers are FULLY loaded, dual processors, 2 GIG of ram...and when there is a problem with ANY hardware...we fix it IMMEDIATELY and our wm's don't get a bill for ANYTHING. We host 1000+ webmasters here on 65+ servers now, and our webmasters are not here because it is there only option...they are here because we provide a quality service under very reasonable terms. In fact...I would say that webmasters that use our program and have UNLIMITED hosting for a consistant 'fixed' % of their revenue are smarter than most. NEVER, EVER, EVER...will you have a RevShare Hosting webmaster lose money since they pay an average of 12%-15% of their revenue for unlimited hosting. Yes, there are those webmasters that are very efficient...and they pay less than that for their hosting if you figure it all out, but there are still many that pay much more. If any webmaster is paying more than 15% of their revenue for hosting...they are missing out by not being with RevShare Hosting. It doesn't matter how big they are, I have 1 webmaster that is on 5 dedicated servers all for himself...and he does over 100mbs total on all those boxes. He would never have been able to achieve this in the same timeframe he has expanded on RevShare Hosting as the setup fees, upfront charges and contract commitments would have killed him.

Yes, RevShare Hosting is not for everyone...but it's a bit narrow minded to not appreciate what we do for our webmasters in the long run.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

[RevShare Hostin]

Surfn,

YES, YES....YES. Unless a webmaster is using a sub of on of our 12 'house' domains...they get their 404 traffic 100%, always have, always will. We do have templates for them to use, so you might see the same page here and there...but they are 100% all their own sponsor codes. Yes, we have a default 404 page setup on the domains to start with...but if the webmaster neglects to change it that is not the fault of RevShare Hosting and certainly doesn't imply we are 'stealing' anything from him.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

[Cleo]

Because if you pay for your own hosting then you do not have a host for a partner.

For the record that $49 plan comes with 75 gigs of BW. It is a good starter plan. BW is dirt cheap now. Personally I pay for way more then I find I can use each month since it has gotten so cheap that it is no longer even thought about.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by RevShare Hostin
Yes, we have a default 404 page setup on the domains to start with...but if the webmaster neglects to change it that is not the fault of RevShare Hosting and certainly doesn't imply we are 'stealing' anything from him.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting That's why Revshare Hosting is banned on all my traffic pumps.

I do not wish to debate about it.

Have a nice day :D

[RevShare Hostin]

Cleo,

Not quite sure what this means... "Because if you pay for your own hosting then you do not have a host for a partner".

I'm glad you are efficient enough with your bandwidth that you don't even have to think about it...but that doesn't mean that RevShare Hosting is a bad program. Honestly, most of my more productive webmasters go thru 75gigs of bandwidth before lunch everyday...they would melt down a $49/month server, I'm sure it has older processor technology and next to nothing for ram. Many or our top webmasters are posting 3 x 1.5+mb movies and could never survive on the crap servers that are out there on the budget server plans like that.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

[RevShare Hostin]

Surfn,

WTF is that supposed to mean...I'm not looking for a debate, but what is so wrong with our default 404 page????

http://www.anyholeyouwant.com/missing.html


Maestro
support@revsharehosting.com

[MrMaryLou]

OK lets cut to the chase here there is nothing wrong with revshare hosting at all its just the fact that some link sites choose not to list any revshare or freehosted sites :) So but the issue at hand is that webmasters ignore the rules in hopes of not getting caught and this is causing the problem

[RevShare Hostin]

MrMaryLou,

Love that avitar...nothing wrong with 6 bouncing boobs on your head for sure!!!

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

[Wild_Unicorn]

Look at the end of the day, I have proved I am not on a free host and that I have all the powers of a webmaster on any other host such as webbair, national-net, M3 etc...

I would hope anyone considering banning me for using a freehost will now reconsider.

My sites are of quality in order to get listed at many link sites and to be honest I'm not looking at making any enemies. this thread is turning bitchy and to be honest this is enough. i have proved I'm not lying. I asked for some advice, I got it. I fucked up and i'm sorry for pissing anyone off.

Cleo and anyone else interested I am intending on using a new paid host for all my future sites as I can't be doing with this headache to be honest.

If you want to blacklist me is ok. I would prefer it not being there and hope that you will reconsider, but if not I can accept it.

Is anyone against me submitting to them using another domain on another host?

I have made alot of webmaster friends and I would prefer to keep it that way.

[Cleo]

You have been an active member of the board so you know the rules.

You chose to be shady and hide links on your pages. I'm not staying up for the next week looking what other kinds of shady stuff you are doing. Timed redirects, htaccess stuff, timed consoles, lots of ways to cheat. You catch a webmaster doing one of them and I'm suppose to now just forget about it, not.

This isn't Jersey, it isn't illegal only if you get caught.

[Wild_Unicorn]

Originally posted by Cleo
You have been an active member of the board so you know the rules.

You chose to be shady and hide links on your pages. I'm not staying up for the next week looking what other kinds of shady stuff you are doing. Timed redirects, htaccess stuff, timed consoles, lots of ways to cheat. You catch a webmaster doing one of them and I'm suppose to now just forget about it, not.

This isn't Jersey, it isn't illegal only if you get caught.

Cleo, Thank you for the pleasantries, understanding and imput.

Not too sure about the 'Jersey' thing but I'll leave you with that one as you seem to love demeaning webmasters so much.

Please do not speak to me again and I will offer you the respect of the same.

Thanx |goodnight

[Opti]

Originally posted by RevShare Hostin
Cleo, Opti, Plateman and Surfn...

Surfn...as with ALL our webmasters that use their OWN domains...our webmasters DO, AND ALWAYS HAVE controlled their own 404 pages. Yes, we have a default 404 page setup until such time as that webmaster changes it to his own sponsor codes...so I'm not sure what the arguement is there.


Thansk,

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

I hope you are not lumping me in with any people that are immediately crucifying Dan!

Your default 404 pages are one reason I dont want to take revsharehosting sites.... but the main reason is that too many unknown webmasters use your style of hosting to try and push the LL rules limits.. (I would like to take them though.. of all the freehosting setups your looks like one of the best ideas to me)

Dan: I agree with you that what you are doing isnt freehosting.. but you should know very well that MANY linksites dont want to take revshare hosted sites... Cleo says she has given you special treatment,... I have done the same and I bet a few other LLs have too... you work hard, make reasonable sites and are well known enough that everyone would think you KNOW the score and therefore can be trusted. You have even been allowed to push the limits with rules for a long time... and you do push the limits that I allow normally. I personally see no reason for people to ban you or remove sites... but I have to say I am surprised you havent made sure the people you have linktrades with known the situation.. the main reason no one has noticed this in so long must simply be that everyone trusts you and doesnt check your sites like that.. people may be feeling a bit duped in some cases.

[Wild_Unicorn]

Originally posted by Opti
I hope you are not lumping me in with any people that are immediately crucifying Dan!...

... the main reason no one has noticed this in so long must simply be that everyone trusts you and doesnt check your sites like that.. people may be feeling a bit duped in some cases.

Nobody is going to lump anyone into anything, I wont allow it!

I appreciate the friendships I have made and in no way was I intent on burning bridges with anyone. I should have told people my host had been changed, maybe it would have stopped this from happening with the same intensity.
I show exactly the same leniancy on all of my link sites to many of you webmasters, that's one of the advantages to having made friends isn't it?
My link site rules are by far one of the most relaxed regardless of their size and they will always be like that.

In regard to the standard revshare accounts sometimes not being up to scratch I totally agree and I can see why some people block them. On the other side of the coin is as you have agreed it is fairly obvious that the hosting I have is by far not free, hence I recieve the support that I do. The way that Maestro stepped in yesterday to help me was not something that a freehost would do.

I had no intentions of 'duping' anyone and nobody has any reasons to mistrust me (regardless of how I am getting slagged off now), I am no threat to anyone and nobody has EVER had any problems with me in the past. I am a fair guy, I don't generally give anyone hassle and I don't create a fuss. This is the first and last incident I have ever had like this in my whole webmaster career.

I deliberately submitted one site yesterday to see who was following this thread and see who I have gained bans from. From what I have seen I have grounds to say Thank You to you all for not being narrow minded to automaticaly think I have been lying.

This thread is becomming massive and I think it is about time it ended. I have been a bit of a fool and I'm sorry for pissing anyone off. If anyone has anything further to say to me feel free to contact me at webmaster AT wildunicorns.com

[Cleo]

I'm not so upset with your hosting as I am with you doing shady stuff with your hidden links.

[Wild_Unicorn]

Originally posted by Cleo
I'm not so upset with your hosting as I am with you doing shady stuff with your hidden links.

Ok fair enough, ignorance is not an excuse, I just assumed what isn't seen isn't a problem. I was a fool and I've learnt from it!

Cleo you said you have blacklisted me which is your right regardless of what anyone says so until the point that it may ever be removed we'll have no reason to have contact.

... but it also seems like you can't read requests either ??
This thread is becomming massive and I think it is about time it ended. I have been a bit of a fool and I'm sorry for pissing anyone off. If anyone has anything further to say to me feel free to contact me at webmaster AT wildunicorns.com

You have been the only one to be so harsh and not really listen to any reason to be honest I don't see the need. You have made your feelings VERY clear and you have stuck a knife in, I think this is enough now.

[Wild_Unicorn]

Originally posted by Opti

Your default 404 pages are one reason I dont want to take revsharehosting sites....
From your post on the board I see that you are not happy with the standard 404's of revshare hence I have changed my 404 on smileys links (where all my free sites are hosted) and Wild Unicorns to a different one to prove that I own them.

http://wildunicorns.co.uk/blahblahblah.html
http://smileyslinks.com/blahblahblah.html