hey LL owners

[plateman]

if its ok with GG&J who wants to have a meeting to talk about the biz?

[Bill]

that should be a nutty conversation.

[SheepGuy]

I'd be up for something like that, pick a time and date and we could use the chat room.

[Cleo]

Sure... misery loves company.

[Ramster]

biz? that'll be a short meeting :D

[bDok]

biz? that'll be a short meeting :D

lol.

Yea lets figure out a meeting time. I'm all for talking about ideas.

[SheepGuy]

How about Saturday (tomorrow) at 3 p.m. EST?

[bDok]

How about Saturday (tomorrow) at 3 p.m. EST?

Doesn't work for me as I'll be attending a wedding. Something more during the standard work week would always work better for me. |thumb

[SheepGuy]

How's Tuesday at 3 p.m.?

[Cleo]

So do we want to do voice on Skype or text on irc?

I think it would be nice to start doing something like MML use to do.

[hashbury]

I think it would be nice to start doing something like MML use to do.

I would like that. I do more mainstream than adult but would still like to participate.

[pc]

Good idea.
I rarely visit OTB because of the air time, at 3 pm I still work 6 days a week, but if you guys set the time little later, I'll be there too.

[Bill]

I do more mainstream than adult but would still like to participate.

lol, who freakin doesn't these days. I'm glad i had other businesses to take up the slack.

I'm watching closely for the next few business models to emerge from the mist, to see which way to move.

I'd be interested in a later meeting - not a ll owner but I got an interest.

[plateman]

ok how about next week in the 8 to 8:30 range, post and we can adjust

[plateman]

lol, who freakin doesn't these days. I'm glad i had other businesses to take up the slack.

I'm watching closely for the next few business models to emerge from the mist, to see which way to move.

I'd be interested in a later meeting - not a ll owner but I got an interest.Bingo Bill come when we decide on a day and time and i am not throwing BS

[Cleo]

I would like that. I do more mainstream than adult but would still like to participate.
I've been thinking of trying to do some mainstream blogs trying to sell something.

Don't see any reason to make it LL owners only or even adult only. Should be for anyone trying to make a living selling whatever should on the internet.

I was thinking noonish Saturday but I could do evenings too since the day is hard for some.

MML always had a subject more or less planned in advance which seems like a good idea.

I'll have to ask Chris how MML was broadcasting Skype calls so that we could have people call in if we wanted.

[Fonz]

I've been thinking of trying to do some mainstream blogs trying to sell something.

I just started my first one. I'm not really sure how to get traffic to it but hey, maybe this little chat canbring up some points I've missed.
8-8:30PM is like the middle of the night here :)

[Cleo]

8-8:30PM is like the middle of the night here :)
Well that is inconvenient...

Forgot all about time zones and that this board is a global board.

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=2078&stc=1&d=1305372542

The only day/time that doesn't work for me is Sunday since I'm at church... err I mean out on the water or doing something besides having my fat ass in front of the computer since that is usually Christy's day off.

[JustRobert]

If I can make what ever time you all decide on I will be there. I really miss OTB and MML, the info I got on his show continues to earn me money today.

Not only that but my wife and I made friends on the east coast and Canada that we visit every year :)

[Greenguy]

I think what we need is a game plan - talking points & maybe a list of what concerns are - this way, we can all have notes going into this & not just show up & wonder what the fuck is wrong with the Link List model.

[Cleo]

I think what we need is a game plan - talking points & maybe a list of what concerns are - this way, we can all have notes going into this & not just show up & wonder what the fuck is wrong with the Link List model.
I agree.

We also need to agree on a time, maybe vote in a poll.

On a side note I think I figured out, with the help of Chris, how to stream voice and Skype in case we would like to do call-ins like MML use to do.

[Bill]

Damn fucking straight.

This is a broad spectrum phenomenon, with no obvious answers, and no simple solutions. As I said, I have been watching for any signs of new models emerging, and I'm not a dumb guy - but I'm not seeing anything yet that looks like the gleam of any new model on the horizon.

Everywhere I look, so far, I see retreat.

Which is why my first response was "that should be a nutty conversation".

So, game plans and points and lists sound like tools to use.

I've been waiting to see how this group would shake down and who would be left as the waves of retreat wash over us all.

[Bill]

so what's the new news on this?

ya know, we don't necessarily have to wait for a chat to start discussing things.

let's see - these issues break down into general areas.

You got your traffic area.

you got your sales destination area (where do you send traffic for best results)

you got your content area (what types of content are working, both to attract traffic and to promote a sales destination)

you got content protection.

you got customer ability willingness/ability to buy (related to sales destination)

what else should be on the list?

plateman set this up originally as a traffic/content oriented discussion. and thats's a big deal area for sure.

[plateman]

well lets go talk in the chat room and make sure who is there can keep what is said under wraps

[plateman]

so what's the new news on this?

ya know, we don't necessarily have to wait for a chat to start discussing things.

let's see - these issues break down into general areas.

You got your traffic area.

you got your sales destination area (where do you send traffic for best results)

you got your content area (what types of content are working, both to attract traffic and to promote a sales destination)

you got content protection.

you got customer ability willingness/ability to buy (related to sales destination)

what else should be on the list?

plateman set this up originally as a traffic/content oriented discussion. and thats's a big deal area for sure.well everyone is not here and a time is not set but bill hit on a lot of things and we for sure need to use the tools that we all have that has got us this far

[Bill]

so, what about 7pm wednesdays for a time and date?

late enough for some, early enough for some.

how about we try it for a month of wednesdays and see wether we feel like it is accomplishing anything.

I'm picking weds for my own selfish reasons - I tend to schedule other meetings for tuesdays and thursdays, but wednesday is the traditional day of mercury, patron of business, so lol why not.

[dunc]

I'll try get to any time mentioned... should be interesting.

For maninstream - to be included on the list could be:


Types of sites
Self generating Traffic Networks


(I'll think of somemore)

[Cleo]

so, what about 7pm wednesdays for a time
Works for me.

Anyone else?

[SheepGuy]

so, what about 7pm wednesdays for a time and date?

late enough for some, early enough for some.

how about we try it for a month of wednesdays and see wether we feel like it is accomplishing anything.

I'm picking weds for my own selfish reasons - I tend to schedule other meetings for tuesdays and thursdays, but wednesday is the traditional day of mercury, patron of business, so lol why not.

7:00 p.m EST Wednesdays would work for me. It's also known as hump day, and I think we're all looking for ways to get the hump of money back that we used to think would never end.

[pc]

6pm or 7pm is also good for me. But I think bill's idea to try few different time schedules will show which is the best for everyone.

[MeatPounder]

6 pm during the week as I'm just finishing at the office, but later would work for me :)

[Fonz]

Is there a way you could "record" these chats/sessions? I myself will not be able to make it that late.

[Greenguy]

I think we can copy & paste the chat room.

[Cleo]

I actually use to sometimes record both the chat and voice to for later.

Just never made it public though.

[plateman]

well I gotta go start on another tranny and will be taking off from that for a couple of weeks to get some stuff done, but anyway what needs to be talked about needs to be in private and what can be done about it, and were gonna look at everything, plus I am gonna share what I have learned and vice-versa and if we need to make a move in a big area we have the muscle to get the job done, but after a close look and a vote, later people

[Bill]

Sometimes dude I cannot quite make sense of the words you type.

I can extract the general meaning trends but am never quite sure.

Privacy and voting seems mysterious.

Any action so coordinated as to require a vote is unlikely to succeed, because we are not the kind of group that can perform truly organized activities.

However, one never knows, and people facing survival threats may be able to move to a structure they were unable or unwilling to adopt before the threat.

It's not how I would bet tho.

[Cleo]

Best I can tell from Plateman's post he is going to take sometime off to be with a tranny and would like to keep his affair private.

Back on subject... I would like to start doing a once a week chat/radio show again kind of like what MML use to do and think it would be a good idea to record everything for the archives like what GG&J use to do.

[plateman]

you guys...LOL yes cleo good idea and bill just like you been watching and thinking, I too have been doing the same while working on a network and have some things to share about seo over in mainstream

plus we havent talked about the adult biz and LL in ages

[Bill]

so, do we start this weds or next weds?

we haven't heard a time preference from greenie yet - it wouldn't surprise me if he decided not to be there, but it would be much more likely to be productive if he were.

there are multiple agendas going oin here clearly enough - but, this is the remains of the old freesite sector, we do all have that interest in common.

[Greenguy]

I live at my computer these days - plus my sleep schedule is so fucked, I tend to just take 2-3 hour naps a couple times a day. So anytime is fine with me - I can be there :)

I will say that all my recording equipment & programs are MIA - it's been so long since I recorded anything on here & with new computers, I'd have to pass on being the one to record it.

[Simon]

I'll do my best to make it, whenever you decide it should be.

[bDok]

If it was 7pm est time so 4pm pst that would work for me. Any later and I can't do it because of my bowling league. ;)

I have some ideas on what I'd like to talk and work on as a group.

Recording the chat as well as the show would be good too. More of a podcast type thing with the logs to go with it. Then on days people miss it they can see what happened. :)

[Fonz]

Thanx for recording the chats. Now I know what to do on Thursdays :)

[Greenguy]

Cleo threw her hat into the ring to organize all this & I've given her my blessing |thumb

[SheepGuy]

Cool! So do we start tomorrow or next week? I've got a couple of small ideas that have worked for me, a little more work and not huge results, but results anyways.

[Cleo]

Cool! So do we start tomorrow or next week? I've got a couple of small ideas that have worked for me, a little more work and not huge results, but results anyways.
I would say about a week.

Been learning how to use the software that I'm going with so that I can archive the shows and turn it into a board resource.
(It's actually harder than it seems)

Just as soon as I get FTP access I'll edit the page that is the Radio Show button is linked to and give more information.

[JustRobert]

Thanx for recording the chats. Now I know what to do on Thursdays :)

Ditto to that. Since I now have this temporary day job and on the west coast I could not attend but would love to hear/read whats going on.

[plateman]

ok we need IMO to do more networking, plus we all need to give our input on the tube model and will it last out, I dont think its working so good for them,

talk about the LL FS model

talk about sponsors

talk about the tube model like how a 3 to 5 minute niche tube would do, on an old LL domain that is dead or not being used

talk about seo and I will share some of my methods

talk about the impact using youtube and facebook for jump starting a site/domain

some have said about working in a group in mainstream - very good idea, IMO the webmaster of tomarro almost has to be in both...

infact good to the max on page seo can do very good for moderate competitive KW's just working on your own if you know what your trying to sell very good

also if your planing on moving into the big mainstream stuff, then imo you gotta go as a group

and I am ready to add 2 more empires if need be to get back what I had plus interest

[Greenguy]

talk about the LL FS model - as far as??????

talk about sponsors - as far as??????

talk about the tube model - IMHO, build your tubes on the side & leave them off the board like it's been for the last 5 years

talk about seo - no one elaborates on seo that works for them, myself included. Besides, basic seo does still work - BUILD CLEAN PAGES!

talk about the impact using youtube and facebook - I've had a Facebook page for Greenguy for about 2 years - I have 150 followers & fuck all for traffic from it - Facebook is useless to porn sites because you can't advertise the page to get more followers.

mainstream - if this is to be done, it'd have to be separate from the Link List stuff

more empires - I've built 3 in the last year - MASSIVE ones, with another one starting this week. If you're not already doing this, you're a fucking moron sitting around wondering why you can't break 1000 hits to the link list you built 6 years ago

[plateman]

talk about the LL FS model - as far as??????

talk about sponsors - as far as??????

talk about the tube model - IMHO, build your tubes on the side & leave them off the board like it's been for the last 5 years

talk about seo - no one elaborates on seo that works for them, myself included. Besides, basic seo does still work - BUILD CLEAN PAGES!

talk about the impact using youtube and facebook - I've had a Facebook page for Greenguy for about 2 years - I have 150 followers & fuck all for traffic from it - Facebook is useless to porn sites because you can't advertise the page to get more followers.

mainstream - if this is to be done, it'd have to be separate from the Link List stuff

more empires - I've built 3 in the last year - MASSIVE ones, with another one starting this week. If you're not already doing this, you're a fucking moron sitting around wondering why you can't break 1000 hits to the link list you built 6 years agolooks like were on the same page

[Greenguy]

That there is why Cleo is in charge of this project & not the thread starter.

[bluebrit]

I like this idea so I will do my best to be here |thumb

[Buncha]

I'm not a LL owner, but I'd like to suggest a topic.

It seems to me that one of the big problems is the shrinking number of FS submitters. Lots of people have left the business, and there's nothing you can do about that. Many of the old FS submitters have moved to other aspects of the industry. And the newbies that are coming into the business are pushed towards other methods of promotion (blogs/tubes/ect).

I think that if LL owners worked together and made an effort to reach out to possible FS submitters, it would really help. Here's a few suggestions:

Write up an easy step-by-step tutorial of how to build and submit a freesite. That's how I learned. Unfortunately, many of those old tutorials are gone or out-of-date. If you show newbies how easy it is, they'll give it a try.

Get word out on other forums about the benefits of freesites. I never see people talking about FS (besides here on GG&J). Remind everyone that it's very inexpensive. All you need is a domain and cheap basic hosting. It doesn't require any advanced sitebuilding skills. And it's a good way to learn the basics.

Encourage old FS builders to start submitting again. I've seen a lot of people say, "I should try submitting freesites again". Let them know that LL aren't dead. There's still good traffic. FS are also a good way to push traffic to your other projects. And many of the new rules have made it even easier to build/submit sites.

Anyways, maybe I'm completely off, but I just wanted to put it out there.

[Bill]

Yeah, there's some logic to that.

We did start talking about freesites in the chat - and just about then I got pulled away with tricky emails and my wife getting antsy.

But the point I was going to make was something about freesite builders consolidating, pretty similar to the point you were making.

I've been distracted from building freesites myself - I need to re-create my system to reflect the realities of our current era.

As I expect do all we freesite builders - make our building more efficient, and consolidate our support of traffic sources.

[Cleo]

I know from hanging out on other boards that many webmasters discount the value of free sites and don't feel it is worth their time to build and submit them. Plus they think that LL owners are rule Nazis, which at one time we were.

For me at least free sites convert about the same per click as TGP galleries but don't require a paid partner account and although the traffic is far less it does last for months or more unlike a TGP gallery which usually dies out very quickly.

I've let all my paid TGP accounts go except for Shemp because the ROI just wasn't worth it unless I was doing massive amounts of galleries each day which would leave me no time to do other things.

Part of the problem is our own doing from back in the days when we would get overwhelmed with crap submits and our rules keep on getting stricter and stricter. Most webmasters don't realize that LL rules have become more relaxed than most TGPs and have also become pretty standardized. Plus the old category recips were a real pain in the ass to use and now all of us are fine with a simple text link to our root.

So I would say we need to get the word out that today's free site submitter has relaxed and standardized rules that makes doing free sites easy to do.

[plateman]

talk about the LL FS model - as far as??????

talk about sponsors - as far as??????

talk about the tube model - IMHO, build your tubes on the side & leave them off the board like it's been for the last 5 years

talk about seo - no one elaborates on seo that works for them, myself included. Besides, basic seo does still work - BUILD CLEAN PAGES!

talk about the impact using youtube and facebook - I've had a Facebook page for Greenguy for about 2 years - I have 150 followers & fuck all for traffic from it - Facebook is useless to porn sites because you can't advertise the page to get more followers.

mainstream - if this is to be done, it'd have to be separate from the Link List stuff

more empires - I've built 3 in the last year - MASSIVE ones, with another one starting this week. If you're not already doing this, you're a fucking moron sitting around wondering why you can't break 1000 hits to the link list you built 6 years agogreenie I didnt have time to reply or make things more clear, cleo asked if anybody had any topics so I picked some

then as far as the topics go - not everyone is a greenguy, plus you got people doing adult and/or mainstream, so I picked a spread that way if a bunch of people show up nobody feels left out or they may think its a waste of time for them

plus the way you drilled me on what I posted shows me that you think I started this for my gain to gather up a group to move in on something...if your thinking that your wrong...

IMO we have to talk about the tubes to try and stay ahead of them, as in the serps, we gotta sell the people before they find a tube

we need to work together to get people fired up, the people who do have LL's need to get them back in order and try to get the hard links back that we lost from all the LL's that went away, its bad enough that we all lost a bunch of FS links from people just letting there stuff go

I was gonna add a few things about FS submitters but I gotta get some sleep

and fuck yeah I am working on stuff, and if you dislike me that much then I am sorry for even bringing this up and I'll stay away

[Greenguy]

greenie I didnt have time to reply or make things more clear, cleo asked if anybody had any topics so I picked some

then as far as the topics go - not everyone is a greenguy, plus you got people doing adult and/or mainstream, so I picked a spread that way if a bunch of people show up nobody feels left out or they may think its a waste of time for them

plus the way you drilled me on what I posted shows me that you think I started this for my gain to gather up a group to move in on something...if your thinking that your wrong...

IMO we have to talk about the tubes to try and stay ahead of them, as in the serps, we gotta sell the people before they find a tube

we need to work together to get people fired up, the people who do have LL's need to get them back in order and try to get the hard links back that we lost from all the LL's that went away, its bad enough that we all lost a bunch of FS links from people just letting there stuff go

I was gonna add a few things about FS submitters but I gotta get some sleep

and fuck yeah I am working on stuff, and if you dislike me that much then I am sorry for even bringing this up and I'll stay away

looks like were on the same page

[Pusher]

I really like this idea and I'll be there if I can...

[Cleo]

I really like this idea and I'll be there if I can...

We are archiving the shows plus have opened a forum for discussing both the upcoming and past shows so everyone participate.