BDSM....!...?

[lilll]

Don't you think people that BDSM, Slaves, Pain websites are all about needles and stupid vibrators now, oh yeah and clothes-pegs of course?? |yawn|

it's so tasteless and boring now! |attention

where is the good old pussy-whipping, I mean the real whipping not just to make a quick buck shit?
where are those good old pussy-lips-weights videos? it's all bad acting shit now. like she is feeling pain when she feels nothing cause there is nothing on her pussy... fucking cheap! |attention

where is the pussy-stretching by toy or fist, when she is chained to the wall and she feels, she feels, she feels????????????? fucking where? |attention |huh

NO FUCKING TASTE! |attention

NO FEELINGS! |attention |cry|

yeah needelling boobs and pussy or ass is very fucking sexy... |scared| |snowman2
what's next? elbow? why not? |banghead| hard-heads... |crazy|

and how about those vibrators? ok sometimes is fine, but no! fucking everybody is doing it now...
if I am buying this shit, I want to see her pain not her pleasure, fucking tasty PAIN! |attention

oh let me tell you something |whisper| no imagination can be a pretty fucking big problem...

puff, puff, pass... |attention

[Cleo]

Personally I'm into romance and cuddling but to each their own I guess.

[LD]

I still like blowjobs...call me old fashioned.

[jacklynlick]

I like bondage, and the real stuff. Not just the quick buck stuff. Has to be mind games, and the whole bit. :) Not just going through the motions. Either I have to be in subspace, or the male has to be in it. That means, lost to the world, completely present, and hours could go by and you have no idea of the time.

Love,
Jax

[nate]

I don't get the whole pain/domination genre. I just don't like violence but I'd get pissed off real fast if I was tied up. If it rings your bell, then more power to you. Take it to the limit. Just don't do it in my yard.

On the other hand, maybe its just my hillbilly blood, but I dig teenage girls.

[tickler]

Don't you think people that BDSM, Slaves, Pain websites are all about needles and stupid vibrators now, oh yeah and clothes-pegs of course?? |yawn|

it's so tasteless and boring now! |attention

where is the good old pussy-whipping, I mean the real whipping not just to make a quick buck shit?
Probably because anything along those lines crosses the perceived line of what is considered legal.

Just consider the recent UK extreme porn laws.

[lilll]

I don't get the whole pain/domination genre. I just don't like violence but I'd get pissed off real fast if I was tied up. If it rings your bell, then more power to you. Take it to the limit. Just don't do it in my yard.

On the other hand, maybe its just my hillbilly blood, but I dig teenage girls.

well, I like pain-porn, cause PAIN is the only thing that really hard to fake |whisper|

[tickler]

well, I like pain-porn, cause PAIN is the only thing that really hard to fake |whisper|
Let me go get my feather!|catfight|

[Ms Naughty]

So you don't like vibrators because it gives the woman pleasure? You don't want to see the woman having *any* pleasure from the BDSM experience whatsoever?

That sounds like torture to me, not BDSM.

[ecchi]

That sounds like torture to me, not BDSM.
You are confusing "bondage" with "BDSM". BDSM stands for Bondage, Domination, Sadism, and Masochism...... Sadism kind of includes torture. Look at the current "Featured Sex Toy" on "Ms Naughty Porn for Women". It is (or was when I looked) "The Cone" which the article/ad describes as "It started life as an S&M object but it proved to be too comfortable" ! In other words BDSM=pain=torture.

her pain not her pleasure
Could be hard to see one without the other. Except where the model/actress does it because she is desperate for the money (which is rare, surprisingly you can get paid as well or even better for painless hardcore than painful BDSM), the model/actress will be doing it because she enjoys the pain (the M in BDSM), so you cannot see her pain without seeing her pleasure.

I know far too much about this shit, I think I need a brain scrub!!!

[Ms Naughty]

I do understand the differences in BDSM. But it's my understanding that even if you are experiencing pain in BDSM, you are doing it because you like it and it does give you a form of pleasure. It just seemed that this person was advocating a complete lack of any form of enjoyment for the bottom participants which to my mind is not safe sensual BDSM but torture.

[jacklynlick]

I do understand the differences in BDSM. But it's my understanding that even if you are experiencing pain in BDSM, you are doing it because you like it and it does give you a form of pleasure. It just seemed that this person was advocating a complete lack of any form of enjoyment for the bottom participants which to my mind is not safe sensual BDSM but torture.


I would have to agree. BDSM is about loyalty, and complete trust. Trusting the other person that they are going to be able to get into your head and know exactly what makes you tick. People that are truly into bondage/bdsm enjoy the power play, the mind games, and the intensity in the foreplay. There is so much to go into, it could never be summed up in a forum post. There are so many aspects, fetishes, and differences even with in the community. It's the CONSENSUAL bondage that is the enjoyment with both parties.

Pain can be pleasure, depending on how it is inflicted. My absolute favorite bondage is forced orgasm. Tied up, no where to go, (maybe the fucking machines! those things rock!), a vibrator, and the only thing left to do is cum.

Love,
Jax

[bluefluff44]

It doesn't excite me that much, but if my partner enjoyed it then I'd participate to a point.

I'm gonna have to draw the line at attaching electrodes to my testicles.

[lilll]

So you don't like vibrators because it gives the woman pleasure? You don't want to see the woman having *any* pleasure from the BDSM experience whatsoever?

That sounds like torture to me, not BDSM.

well no "You don't want to see the woman having *any*" cause I am paying to see the woman in pain = something real...

+ by saying "whatsoever" you are changing my topic... |catfight|

[lilll]

Could be hard to see one without the other.


oh comon...!!!! I mean, I agree with you, but comon, you don't have to say it! |whisper| we know that.... we like the part when she is in pain
"for real"... |bow|

[hashbury]

well no "You don't want to see the woman having *any*" cause I am paying to see the woman in pain = something real...

+ by saying "whatsoever" you are changing my topic... |catfight|

Paying to see a woman in pain and not enjoying it is the same as paying to see a woman tortured.
Im not trying to be a dick, but i think you have some fucking issues.

[lilll]

BDSM is about loyalty, and complete trust. Trusting the other person that they are going to be able to get into your head and know exactly what makes you tick.


well, I am just gonna have to repeat that one... "BDSM is about loyalty, and complete trust. Trusting the other person that they are going to be able to get into your head and know exactly what makes you tick"

[ecchi]

....Im not trying to be a dick, but i think you have some fucking issues.
In the 1980s I used to own a video shop, and since I could not compete with the big chains on mainstream movies (people preferred to rent from Blockbuster and buy from Woolworths even though I was cheaper - because they trusted brand names) so 90% of my business came from the "top shelf". I found that the majority of my male customers wanted hardcore SM, which I could not sell (seriously illegal back then) and whenever I had something that looked like it might possibly have a torture scene in it it flew out. For example there is a film called "House Of Whipcord", which was a dull 1970's drama about a woman's prison. In those days it was only available in an heavily edited form (it had been cut down to 59 minutes to fit on a 60 minute video tape) from a minor video company (mom and pop type family company with no major contracts). I was the only person in the area selling it, so I was able to charge over three times the retail price and it still sold as fast as I could put it out, simply because the cover showed a picture of a terrified woman cowering from a whip. The only other films that sold as well was a series of detective movies that inferred on the cover that they held some SM scenes.

Normal is what the majority want; "weird" is what the minority want. And in over a quarter of a century of running various businesses, most of which catered at least in part to the adult industry, I have found that the "majority" of men want to see women tied up and hurt. So those with "issues" are technically those who do NOT like SM !!!


|couch|

[lilll]

In the 1980s I used to own a video shop, and since I could not compete with the big chains on mainstream movies (people preferred to rent from Blockbuster and buy from Woolworths even though I was cheaper - because they trusted brand names) so 90% of my business came from the "top shelf". I found that the majority of my male customers wanted hardcore SM, which I could not sell (seriously illegal back then) and whenever I had something that looked like it might possibly have a torture scene in it it flew out. For example there is a film called "House Of Whipcord", which was a dull 1970's drama about a woman's prison. In those days it was only available in an heavily edited form (it had been cut down to 59 minutes to fit on a 60 minute video tape) from a minor video company (mom and pop type family company with no major contracts). I was the only person in the area selling it, so I was able to charge over three times the retail price and it still sold as fast as I could put it out, simply because the cover showed a picture of a terrified woman cowering from a whip. The only other films that sold as well was a series of detective movies that inferred on the cover that they held some SM scenes.

Normal is what the majority want; "weird" is what the minority want. And in over a quarter of a century of running various businesses, most of which catered at least in part to the adult industry, I have found that the "majority" of men want to see women tied up and hurt. So those with "issues" are technically those who do NOT like SM !!!


|couch|

wow! this is really interesting. |thumb

[domweb]

It just seemed that this person was advocating a complete lack of any form of enjoyment for the bottom participants which to my mind is not safe sensual BDSM but torture.

Slippery slope. As a longtime BDSM player, some slaves and subs get great satisfaction from simply serving the desires and pleasures of the Dominant. They don't NEED to feel pleasure from the act, because their Dominant is the one who feels the need to see them in whatever act you are talking about. Fulfilling the Dominants needs gives some serious slaves all the fulfillment and enjoyment they need.

I have had slaves rip into a intense orgasms when they asked if they had served me well after a session of something that wasn't to their taste and I said, "Yes". But that would not qualify as a complete lack of any form of enjoyment.

His or Her needs before their's. It can be complicated and any good Dominant will understand the line and where their subbie falls on it.

[domweb]

Im not trying to be a dick, but i think you have some fucking issues.

Believe me...when you are a serious BDSM player, you have some fucking issues.

But those of us who are hardcore understand we have issues and we balance ourselves out by playing high drama, high pain, high anxiety sexual psycho drama, otherwise known as BDSM.

But yes...we are a bit fucked in the head. I personally love my subs to enjoy what I want from them...but I picked mine based on a mutual interest base.

[FetishNetwork]

where is the good old pussy-whipping, I mean the real whipping not just to make a quick buck shit?

Did you already check our program? specially RickSavage.com

Just curiosity :)

[LeRoy]

Sounds like you would be good at producing some content for yourself. Maybe open a your own program.

[lilll]

Slippery slope. As a longtime BDSM player, some slaves and subs get great satisfaction from simply serving the desires and pleasures of the Dominant. They don't NEED to feel pleasure from the act, because their Dominant is the one who feels the need to see them in whatever act you are talking about. Fulfilling the Dominants needs gives some serious slaves all the fulfillment and enjoyment they need.

I have had slaves rip into a intense orgasms when they asked if they had served me well after a session of something that wasn't to their taste and I said, "Yes". But that would not qualify as a complete lack of any form of enjoyment.

His or Her needs before their's. It can be complicated and any good Dominant will understand the line and where their subbie falls on it.

OMG! Thank you, thank you, thank you, that is what I mean... |smooch|

[lilll]

Did you already check our program? specially RickSavage.com

Just curiosity :)

I sure did...

this is the exaple of a "quick buck shit" http://www.platinumfetish.com/hosted_galleries/ricksavage/video/vulnerable_sara_jay_281/03.wmv

look at her, she doesn't feel anything in this video, the only thing she feels is $, this is fucking fake, it's fucking bullshit!

NO FIRE! NO FEELINGS! just money...

[lilll]

Sounds like you would be good at producing some content for yourself. Maybe open a your own program.

in fact, I am thinking about it. |hotjump|

[ecchi]

look at her, she doesn't feel anything in this video, the only thing she feels is $, this is fucking fake, it's fucking bullshit!NO FIRE! NO FEELINGS! just money...
A relative of mine used to make SM and r___ videos, one of the funniest out takes I have seen was in a r___ video. The woman is tied to the bed with neckties (!) and the guy is r____g her. Bloody awful acting on both sides but the guy suddenly realises the actress hasn't really got the idea. He stops, turns to the director and asks in a confused voice "Should she really be enjoying this???"