Is There Money In Mobile

[T Pat]

I've been wondering about getting in mobile is it worth the effort?
Care to share your resources and results?

[bluebrit]

I have wondered the same but have never gone further than a little investigating sometime back.

[Toby]

Is There Money In Mobile...
I drove through Mobile on the way to and from Atlanta last Sept. Seemed to me like there was some money there.




|couch|





Sorry, I couldn't resist the opportunity. :)

When I think about mobile I keep asking myself, "Do people really surf porn on their cell phones?" I've yet to get a good quantitative answer to that question.

[Cleo]

With over 30 million iPhones sold so (http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-event-30-million-sold-now-thats-a-game-platform/) far it would seem that there would be a market.

[Toby]

With over 30 million iPhones sold so (http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-event-30-million-sold-now-thats-a-game-platform/) far it would seem that there would be a market.

Exactly. Add in the users of other G3 capable phones and the number of potential users more than doubles. That's why you keep seeing the mobile porn question asked. But so far I've not seen any answers from anyone I'd consider credible.

[Hotmodeltease]

Hi Guys & Gals
I saw a documentary the other night on porn and mobile porn is huge in Europe
but almost nothing in North America due to the phone companies regulations.

you can find more detailed info http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2009/porndemic/index.html

[hashbury]

I've been wondering about getting in mobile is it worth the effort?
Care to share your resources and results?

Yes getting into mobile is worth it.
My conversion ratios for my regular affiliate programs are around 1:3000
and my mobile conversion rate is around 1:700.

Most sales i see now a days are from my iphone sites. Mobile is not just limited to phones though. You have psp, ipod, zune, and all kinds of other portable devices. Its a bigger market share than what most people think. I tend to target iphone users because my thinking is if you have 250 or 300$ to spend on a phone along with a 100$ month plan, you can spend 30$ a month on a porn membership without thinking twice. Also the keyword term iphone porn has been increasing in searches ever since i started in the mobile biz.
One of the biggest misconceptions i come across, webmasters think they need to devlope websites with a wap format. As the smartphone market increases there are less and less users that come from wap enabled phones. In europe this may be a diferent story but for the US this holds true for the figures i see.
Going the mobile route can be as simple as building a blog advertising one of the many mobile devices out there.

[blogman]

There is no money in mobile.
my 2cc
http://www.thereisnomoneyinporn.com/tinmip_guy.jpg

[ArtWilliams]

I don't know but I do have a few thoughts.

In my opinion, there are a number of stumbling blocks:

- With no SMS billing in North America, the surfer has to use a credit card which is less likely with a cell phone browser. Some phone browsers don't even have secured connections for CC transactions. Having to use a PC browser first cuts down on impulse buying which we know are a lot of our sales.

- There doesn't appear to be standard for hardware and software (screen size, file format support, javascript support) so you can make sites that would look great on one phone and are useless on another. As Cleo said there are 3M iPhones so maybe specializing in one phone type might work.

- Most smartphones today support media cards. A porn consumer may just load some movies and pics on his/her media card and slip it into their phone thereby bypassing the porn purchase through the cell phone.

My 2c.

[MeatPounder]

Mobile porn is great!!

You don't have to take magazines to the office restrooms anymore|thumb

[Cleo]

Mobile porn is great!!

You don't have to take magazines to the office restrooms anymore|thumb
And phones vibrate. |bananna|

[pc]

And phones vibrate. |bananna|

Somebody should start making iCondoms |bananna|
undeveloped niche ?

[NY Jester]

I have to say there seems to be a HUGE Blackberry craze going on around here. So add that to what Cleo stated the numbers for iPhone are 30 Mil. I have to think between all the G3 network phones its a good niche. I think the real question I have is how do you promote it?

[T Pat]

Yes getting into mobile is worth it.
My conversion ratios for my regular affiliate programs are around 1:3000
and my mobile conversion rate is around 1:700.
Most sales i see now a days are from my iphone sites.
hashbury are the sites you use to get traffic regular web sites or are they mobile sites?
Are the majority of your sign ups done from a computer or from a mobile device?
Care to share what traffic generating techniques you have tried and what worked and what didn't?

[hashbury]

All my sites are regular sites, no "mobile sites"
Most of my signups come from iphones, blackberrys, and ipods, but i do get a few signups from comps here and there.
My best traffic producing method is by using a main blog to feed a bunch of little niche blogs on there own domains.
Various tgps (such as the hun) are starting to accecpt mp4 formats.
I have also seen very good results from webmasters using mobile link directories where everyone submits their mobile sites.
To get started in mobile i would suggest targeting a device that can display regular html.
I go after psp, iphone, ipod, and blackberry. Although some older blackberrys seem to have problems with sign up forms.
You should have mobile traffic going to your sites right now, just check your stats. Having one link to a mobile porn site on all your sites can turn those users into sales.
I do have a little bit of inside know how in mobile, and i will tell you our biggest sellers are blogs (I will actually be introducing some hosted iphone rss feeds for my company soon).
One other thing, The mobile market isnt over populated with webmasters, So it is easier to make sales and get ranked for good mobile keywords.
If you have any more questions or need any help, Just Let Me Know.

[JK]

I've made a few bucks from portable porn, nothing major, but I think there is a future for it. I use my phone more and more for surfing when I'm not near a PC.

Wordpress Mobile (http://wordpressmobile.mobi/) is a great plugin which makes your blogs mobile friendly.

[dunc]

Which sponsors do mobile porn?

I know topbucks did a ipod porn not long ago... but this seems to have been dis-countinued... Netverifier also have a mobile pron program... any others?

[JK]

I still make a few sales to Sex Movies on Pod from TopBucks.

AEBN has Xobile.com, CECash and ARS both have mobile sites.

[T Pat]

this should be most of the mobile sites (http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/c59/Mobile.html)

[dunc]

Thanks - I have a stoopid mobi domain lying around... might aswell give it a go :)

[Gausche]

You can earn good money with mobile porn.

[T Pat]

You can earn good money with mobile porn.
Hey Gausche I'm assuming you posted in this thread because your looking for affiliates.
I know for a fact that hashbury got 2 or more new affiliates yesterday, if you had maned up like hashbury and given some useful information you would be getting 2 or more new affiliates today

[bDok]

naughty america has a mobile porn. Not that I'm promoting it, but saw that the other day. At least for the iPhone that is.

[Gausche]

Hey Gausche I'm assuming you posted in this thread because your looking for affiliates.
I know for a fact that hashbury got 2 or more new affiliates yesterday, if you had maned up like hashbury and given some useful information you would be getting 2 or more new affiliates today

I didn't post in this thread looking for affiliates, I was merely answering your original thread title asking "Is there money in mobile?", which there is.

We are not currently looking for affiliates as the ones we do have were by invite only.

Now onto resources: ready.mobi is a good place to test your mobile sites and if you are into wordpress as many here obviously are, then you should check out http://mobiforge.com/running/story/the-dotmobi-wordpress-mobile-pack

[amadman]

It has been awhile since i did anything online :)

But this thread has made me consider trying a small mobile site myself.

I am wondering about traffic sources though.

Are there places that will link to mobile sites?

Or maybe people here that have mobile sites and are willing to set up trades?

[Gausche]

US mobile traffic works the best and converts about 1 in 80 for us at the moment. I know there a lot of sites out there that will do link exchanges, and maybe a few in this thread by the looks of it. I have certainly seen a few of these sites on my travels around the boards. Good luck.

[amadman]

Thanks Gausche.

Once i get the site active i may post a request for trades to see what happens. :)

[LeRoy]

I guess mobile is doing well. I better get some of this.

One thing that confuses me. What kind of guy is jerking off on their mobile?

[Useless]

One thing that confuses me. What kind of guy is jerking off on their mobile?The kind of guy who doesn't mind sticky buttons.

[SexGoesMobile]

Hi!

The potential of the mobile internet is immense and it has never been easier to generate revenue. And we’re only just at the beginning of this era; the market will explode in the years to come.

There are certainly many people who ignore the mobile internet or even call it nonsense. But wasn’t it similar with the internet a few years ago? Didn’t the offline industry snigger at the online business? And what is it like today? The offliners now have proper respect for the online business, don’t they? And not just that. They are also suffering from fear of losing their livelihood.

The mobile internet certainly won’t replace the fixed internet. But we want to tell those who are laughing about the mobile internet, that they are very, very mistaken!

When comparing the mobile internet to the fixed internet, the mobile internet is approximately where the fixed internet was in the year 1998. But we should bear in mind that the development of the mobile internet will progress much faster than in those early days.

According to a study by Juniper Research, erotic content on the mobile internet will generate US$ 4.9 billion in the year 2013. In the next five years they are expecting an overall turnover of US$ 14.5 billion. With a share of 39%, Europe will play the biggest role. And this is only referring to the adult sector.

Why is this the case? First of all, it’s worth mentioning that the adult industry has already helped other sectors to grow substantially. For example print, TV, DVD, VOD, internet, just to mention a few. But the mobile internet has got many more advantages:

1. It is global – exactly like the internet! With one significant difference – there are already more mobile phone than PCs in the world. The explanation is simple: There are countries that don’t have a well-established broadband infrastructure like Western Europe or North America. These countries (for example South Africa or India) are using the mobile internet and are skipping the PC.

2. Differences in income also play a role. Especially in newly industrialized countries people don’t have the money to buy computer hardware. Those who follow the media will have heard about the 100$ Notebook.

3. The mobile phone has become an everyday device. Besides your keys and wallet the majority of people carry their phone around with them daily. No matter where they are, the mobile phone is everyone’s constant companion. It can be noted that most erotic content downloads are being made late in the evening and in the morning between 06:00 – 09:00 am - on the way to work.

4. Nothing is more private than your mobile phone. You don’t have to share it with anyone. No-one has to be afraid that a member of their family would detect what’s happening on it.

5. It has never been easier to pay for content. The user is able to pay for it with just one click. They don’t have to insert any information or go through a complicated registration process or divulge private details. One simple click is enough and the customer can enjoy premium content.

6. In addition, users’attitude is different on mobile than on PC. Everything you find on the fixed internet is available for free elsewhere. You just have to search for it. We can even call it a “free-of-charge mentality”. Mobile network providers, however, have cleverly managed to create a different expectation: Everything that the user does on mobile costs money – making calls, sending SMS, checking ones mailbox, surfing the mobile internet. Therefore, a user’s reluctance to pay for content is much lower.

I hope that I have illustrated to you the massive revenue potential of the mobile internet. Again, the mobile internet will never replace the fixed internet, but it’ll complement it in an ideal way.

[SexGoesMobile]

Some studies are saying that an average of 5% of the whole internet traffic is coming from mobile phones.

So I'd start to analyze my webtraffic and see how many mobile users are coming to my sites. What kind of products do you offer these users yet or is this traffic lost?

Do you know that you can add some PHP code to your site which detects mobile phone users and redirect them to an alternative site with converting mobile products?

[kit]

We created mobile site review section:
http://www.porninspector.com/reviews/category/mobile/

[ArtWilliams]

Here is a page that creates a mobile redirect script:

http://detectmobilebrowsers.mobi/

$20 is the cost to use it commercially. That's less than one PPS.

[Gausche]

Andy Moore's script is excellent and works wonders on blogs.

[Tekster]

Do you really need to resize the page for each mobile device? I thought that quite a few of them, like iphone and blackberry, resize the page to fit within the browser anyway.

[Toby]

Some studies are saying that an average of 5% of the whole internet traffic is coming from mobile phones...

One thing that confuses me. What kind of guy is jerking off on their mobile?

A there's the crux of the issue. Of that 5%, how many are surfing porn? And of those surfing porn how many are going to buy porn based on their mobile viewing?

I've yet to see any unbiased data that shows people are buying porn via mobile.

Making member area content available in mobile formats is an entirely separate issue, but from the affiliate side of the equation, I still don't see that there's enough of a market to spend too much time and resources targetting mobile surfers.

I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I've been hearing about mobile being the next big thing in porn for several years now, and it's just not happening.

[Cleo]

Students in college already buy a lot of porn so I can see this market exploding as more schools start requiring iPhones or other PDAs like this school (http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/05/07/school-journalism-requires-ipod-touch/) has started requiring.

[Spiice]

With all the smartphones (iPhone, BlackBerry, HTC etc.) on the market there have to be some money to be made. Are there any adult companies that specialize in adult mobile market?

[tickler]

I've yet to see any unbiased data that shows people are buying porn via mobile.
Not sure how unbiased, but ARS shows On the Go X as their #3 top selling site this week.|whisper|

[Craven Morras]

I don't know how it converts, but the two most searched words in the mobile world are "porn" and "Sex".
As an amateur Adult producer I am hoping it will explode...but not until after I'm set up and ready for the explosion. I do think its cumming... and soon.

[InfoGuy]

Xbiz reports Mobile Porn Boosts Pink Visual (http://www.xbiz.com/news/web/108308)

While many adult entertainment sectors continue to feel the pinch of the global economic slowdown, one segment seems to be booming for Pink Visual — the mobile porn market.

[Cleo]

Xbiz reports Mobile Porn Boosts Pink Visual (http://www.xbiz.com/news/web/108308)
That article talks about Pink Visual. Is Pink Visual owned by TopBucks?

[Beaver Bob]

That article talks about Pink Visual. Is Pink Visual owned by TopBucks?

Yes its the same company. I think Pink Visual is actually the parent company but I could be wrong.

[Cleo]

I thought the video about 3D porn (http://www.pinkvisual.com/podcast/3Dpodcast.mp4) looked interesting but I'm not a big TopBucks fan.

[mydirtyyoung]

Reviewing my stats, I've been receiving more traffic than I expected from mobile sources. My site is certainly not optimized for mobile browsers, so it must be mostly iPhone users because of the excellent scalability of that browser. I've also noticed more than expected international traffic. I know Europeans use their mobiles more than Americans, so that might be the source of this traffic. If I were in a position to create a new site, I'd probably niche in the mobile market, especially considering the countries where a lot of this content is blocked by national filters (China, etc.).

[SexGoesMobile]

We can help you for FREE to monetize the whole traffic (US and international)

If you're interested just let me know!

Thanks!

[MediaGuy]

I asked the same question recently on another board. Partly our of professional curiousity, partly out of personal fascination.

I was surprised to learn that people seem to easily join sites on mobile devices, phones, etc...

I really wonder about tours, pitches, sales text in that context... I mean, you must have to limit yourself to *just* content, some photos, some videos, and a big JOIN NOW button somewhere obvious.

:D

[Yngwie]

talking about mobile. We have mobile sites to monetize on mobile traffic. 2 straight ones and 1 gay one.

[Cleo]

New study shows iPhone users to be in a class by themselves (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/06/12/new_study_shows_iphone_users_to_be_in_a_class_by_themselves.html).
iPhone users are richer, younger, and perhaps even more productive at work than those who use competing smartphones, according to a new study released Friday.

The study ($750 fee) from independent market analysis company Forrester Research suggests iPhone users comprise the elite upper class of smartphone customers. The data was compiled from 32,228 working U.S. adults in 2008. It found that those who own an iPhone are typically more active on their phones and more connected to the internet than those who fell into generic “smartphone” or “mobile phone” categories.”

The study, compiled by Ted Schadler, found that iPhone users are “more than twice as likely to access the Internet from their phone as working BlackBerry, Palm, or Windows Mobile device owners.” The research was inspired by anecdotal comments from companies such as Kraft Foods and Oracle that implied employees have a personal drive to use an iPhone at work, even when one is not provided by the employer.

The research suggests that an employee with an iPhone could be more productive: Those who carry Apple’s handheld device are more likely to stay connected to their employer’s network. Workers with an iPhone also usually leave their laptop at work, suggesting the phone essentially replaces the need for a traditional full-form mobile computer.

When comparing customer Internet usage, the study shows that the iPhone blows away its competitors. 78 percent of iPhone users reported they access the Internet at least weekly on their phone, while only 38 percent of the rest of the smartphone market were on the mobile Web that often...

[SCORE-Cash]

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http://www.porninspector.com/reviews/category/mobile/

Could you review all our sites, as all of them are now Mobile?


I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I've been hearing about mobile being the next big thing in porn for several years now, and it's just not happening.

Toby, you are right it is early, but now is the time to start and be ready for the G3 phones, the New SideKick, Iphones, G1 and Blackberry.

I was surprised to learn that people seem to easily join sites on mobile devices, phones, etc...
:D

This is true, and without getting into figures because it's way too early, I can say that our original mobile phone site, www.score2go.com has recently had a 50% increase in sale without any new increase in traffic.

[Cleo]

our original mobile phone site, www.score2go.com has recently had a 50% increase in sale without any new increase in traffic.
You should really have a tour that has movie previews that iPhone uses can view instead of Flash movies.

[HowlingWulf]

On a side note, affiliates might want to check out which sponsors are redirecting your mobile traffic you send to their regular sites without giving you credit. I found 3 so far.

[Cleo]

On a side note, affiliates might want to check out which sponsors are redirecting your mobile traffic you send to their regular sites without giving you credit. I found 3 so far.
Care to share?

[Yngwie]

In my opinion it's worth getting into the mobile market. Many people have cell phone so why not try to cash in on that? It doesn't hurt to try, right?

[hashbury]

I really hate to come out and say this (and i shouldnt be), but everyone and there brother is coming out with a mobile site. I dont think the key is to keep creating sites directed towards mobiles. As mobile phones increase in popularity, they are becoming smart phones. I can go to a site and have no problems viewing it on my test iphone. The only problem is the content (why score has flash previews blows my mind). I think the key is to take your current paysite and offer a mobile version of it. Let the affiliate promote the regular site, and redirect any mobile users to the mobile version(and give the affiliate credit). Soon the smart phones will be able to surf just like a regular comp anyways.

[InfoGuy]

In my opinion it's worth getting into the mobile market. Many people have cell phone so why not try to cash in on that? It doesn't hurt to try, right?

Yes, it does. Time is money. If you waste your time building sites that aren't going to convert into sales, you're giving up the opportunity to do something productive.

[Gausche]

On a side note, affiliates might want to check out which sponsors are redirecting your mobile traffic you send to their regular sites without giving you credit. I found 3 so far.

Care to share?

Any update on this?

[HowlingWulf]

I updated this thread (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=52763) but affiliates should check their own links (http://www.howling-wulf.com/2009/06/are-adult-affiliates-getting-credit-for-mobile-traffic/).

[Gausche]

I updated this thread (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=52763) but affiliates should check their own links (http://www.howling-wulf.com/2009/06/are-adult-affiliates-getting-credit-for-mobile-traffic/).

Thanks :)