Jester Pls Read

[SmithsMedia]

Hi Jester I just got this from you

You will no longer be listed on Pic Stable for violoation of rules. We
actually check the sites you submit and follow up with oter webmasters. I
dont appreciate fake submits being sent to my site. The least you can do is actually link my site with other sites you ACTUALLY submit to.

can you contact me so I can establish the cause of the issue pls?

cheers mate

[NY Jester]

Sure I can -

You submitted -
URL :http://www.myspankingwebsite.com/spanking_movies/pain/spankingkinky/index.html
site name: UK Spanking Movies

Now if you look you have Greenguys recip, hoes etc.

If you look at Greenguys here is your listing..same site etc.
Here is the listing you submitted to him
URL : http://www.myspankingwebsite.com/spanking_movies/pain/spankingfree/index.html
Site Name : Uk Spanking Movies

Any questions?

I find it hard to believe that Greenie listed this site twice..so you tell me. |thumb

[SmithsMedia]

Sure I can -

You submitted -
URL :http://www.myspankingwebsite.com/spanking_movies/pain/spankingkinky/index.html
site name: UK Spanking Movies

Now if you look you have Greenguys recip, hoes etc.

If you look at Greenguys here is your listing..same site etc.
Here is the listing you submitted to him
URL : http://www.myspankingwebsite.com/spanking_movies/pain/spankingfree/index.html
Site Name : Uk Spanking Movies

Any questions?

I find it hard to believe that Greenie listed this site twice..so you tell me. |thumb

I know exactly what has happened there - can you list your ll I can fix it :)

[SmithsMedia]

you have pm

[NY Jester]

I know exactly what has happened there - can you list your ll I can fix it :)

What you got caught?

[SmithsMedia]

What you got caught?

you are a prize tool mate,

you lists are not rated in my ll manager thus your sites come out last, it fills the wholes again from the top of the list, I update my list based on listings and traffic.

You seem to be suggesting I am doing this to on purpose? |crazy|

[Useless]

you are a prize tool mate,

you lists are not rated in my ll manager thus your sites come out last, it fills the wholes again from the top of the list, I update my list based on listings and traffic.

You seem to be suggesting I am doing this to on purpose? |crazy|If you are auto-building your pages and not watching for this type of nonsense before submitting, then the onus is on you. You are to blame -- not Jester. You are the one who submitted a page with a bogus recip grouping, not him. You aren't new at this and you really should know better.

[SmithsMedia]

If you are auto-building your pages and not watching for this type of nonsense before submitting, then the onus is on you. You are to blame -- not Jester. You are the one who submitted a page with a bogus recip grouping, not him. You aren't new at this and you really should know better.

I agree with what you are saying, I see you edited out a part of your post which again was the correct thing to do as my next intention was not to say anything about his list.

In fact I want to submit to as many places as possible, it is in my interest to group sites that are active and updated.

Why did I create a thread? - I emailed him and used the contact methods Jester offers in his emails.

If Jester is not prepared to or does not wish to resolve the issue with me that is is call - ITS HIS WEB SITE - and I shall respect this as there is no point doing this > |banghead| < the wall always wins.

[NY Jester]

first of all you didnt try to contact me any other way but making a thread here. second, you are at fault, so you are going to try and slight me by trying to make it somehow my fault that you submitted a bogus page to me? C'mon now. If you want I'll gladly go back and thoroughly check each submit thats listed..so you REALLY want me to do that? I dont think so. Because honestly, I always thought your sites were pretty stand up, but something made me double check. Hmm, instinct works sometimes. You arent going to degrade me or bad mouth me here, just wont happen, Im one of the good guys. Take your lumps and move on. And not for nothing, you may think you are just losing my site to submit to but now that this is out in the open, Im sure most everyone else will be double checking your posts. Back track all you want, fact is you were caught.And one final note about your reply..youre telling me that your recips are generated by traffic, so answer me why you have me with Link O Rama and also have a duplicate site that was submitted to LOR..tell your story walking.

[SmithsMedia]

It is clear we will not come to a resolution, I have tried to resolve this with you as swiftly as possible.

Webmasters check my sites all the time and quite a few point out errors when they are made.

May I sugest to you something? You method of correspondance can be deemed as somewhat threating, it is if at times you are placing yourself on some 'level' above others, calling people a cheat is quite a sweeping statement one that I find very distasteful.

Am I one of these 'good guys' you label yourself as, yes most certainly I am though I do make mistakes, dont we all.

please check your email this was in reply to your first message if this is not good enough to prove that my intentions are genuine then there is nothing more to say on the matter I guess and if you would be so kind as to tell me your sites I will make sure I do not trouble you again with submissions:

HI jester,

Please let me know what is going wrong mate I will fix it up, Im not into cheating people fella, I don’t go on GG&^J now as too busy for forums though have been about for many years now as SmithsMedia or Nochexcontact

Rgs

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Jester [mailto:jester@picstable.com]
Sent: 26 March 2009 19:51
To: webmaster@smithslookup.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pic Stable Link Submission

You will no longer be listed on Pic Stable for violoation of rules. We actually check the sites you submit and follow up with oter webmasters. I dont appreciate fake submits being sent to my site. The least you can do is actually link my site with other sites you ACTUALLY submit to.

have a great day.
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If you have any questions
please contact NY Jester @
Green Guy and Jim's Webmaster Board
www.greenguysboard.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: <webmaster@smithslookup.co.uk>
To: <submit@picstable.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:09 AM
Subject: Pic Stable Link Submission


> Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
> (webmaster@smithslookup.co.uk) on Monday, February 16, 2009 at 02:09:42
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> name: NOCHEXcontact
> url:
> http://www.myspankingwebsite.com/spanking_movies/pain/spankingkinky/index.html
> site name: UK Spanking Movies
> description: Films showing females from Britain being spanked and caned by
> men across their mature bare bottoms
> site content: Movies
> link type: Free Site
> category 1: BDSM | FemDom
> category 2: Amateur

[SmithsMedia]

duplicate site that was submitted to LOR..tell your story walking.

no duplicate site was submited to LOR or listed, if you can trully understand what has happened UW explains it well then it will become clear its not a double submission to LOR. |thumb

[Toby]

No, not a double submit to LOR, but a totally different submit to LOR without a PicStable recip.

If you sumbit a site to a LL with recips to that site and 11 other LL's then the site owners each expect that the exact same site with the exact same group of recips was also submitted to those other 11 LL's.

Are you getting it now? Understand what the problem is?

[SmithsMedia]

No, not a double submit to LOR, but a totally different submit to LOR without a PicStable recip.

If you sumbit a site to a LL with recips to that site and 11 other LL's then the site owners each expect that the exact same site with the exact same group of recips was also submitted to those other 11 LL's.

Are you getting it now? Understand what the problem is?

Yes I know exactly what Jester has taken issue to and I am offering to solve the problem and explaining what is wrong.

Jesters Recip Has no 'weight' in my DB *this is not very any paticular reason in Jesters Case*, it is this I am offering to change to resolve the issue.

Amazing I have one board member helping resolve a PHP error via PM, Jack Daniels and another branding me a cheat, amazing trully amazing.

[NY Jester]

If my site holds no weight than kindly remove me from your submit list. Plain. Simple. Easy.
Its been clearly shown to you what the issue is and yet you want to argue the facts? Thats whats amazing.

And for the record I NEVER called you a cheat, I said I dont appreciate fake submits. You clearly have LOR and other recips on the page you submitted to me and yet that page isnt listed with them, in fact they are listed with a completely different sub-directory.

[Toby]

This looks like a good place to set up shop.

Clues for sale! Step right up! Get your clues here!

Friday Special Buy 2 clues get a 3rd FREE!

Clues for sale! Step right up! Get your clues here!

[/sarcasm]

[SmithsMedia]

If my site holds no weight than kindly remove me from your submit list. Plain. Simple. Easy.
Its been clearly shown to you what the issue is and yet you want to argue the facts? Thats whats amazing.

And for the record I NEVER called you a cheat, I said I dont appreciate fake submits. You clearly have LOR and other recips on the page you submitted to me and yet that page isnt listed with them, in fact they are listed with a completely different sub-directory.

he he - you are making me actually laugh here, no worries I will remove your from my database :)

Have a lovely day :) Thank you once again for bringing this to my attetion BTW as I have put something in place to stop it happening in the future.

[SmithsMedia]

This looks like a good place to set up shop.

Clues for sale! Step right up! Get your clues here!

Friday Special Buy 2 clues get a 3rd FREE!

Clues for sale! Step right up! Get your clues here!

[/sarcasm]

stop being a child,

[MrMaryLou]

You got busted trying to make your free sites more list-able with all link list :( One thing you might want to keep in mind is that the link list world is a small one.

[SmithsMedia]

You got busted trying to make your free sites more list-able with all link list :( One thing you might want to keep in mind is that the link list world is a small one.

this is the thing, it is being put to me in a 'negative sense' yet on my part it is a genuine oversight, one that I have addressed my end. I have acepted that, whats more I have tried to resolve it with Jester too.

[LD]

How does one check for this type thing? Just go to LOR (or PB, RR, DD etc) and start looking? I get submissions from time to time (not SmithMedia) with my recip alongside LOR or one of the other major list, which is great but now I'm thinking I should do some investigating. Mistakes do happen, and people do cheat.

[SmithsMedia]

How does one check for this type thing? Just go to LOR (or PB, RR, DD etc) and start looking? I get submissions from time to time (not SmithMedia) with my recip alongside LOR or one of the other major list, which is great but now I'm thinking I should do some investigating. Mistakes do happen, and people do cheat.

cheat is a harsh word, to over come this I now look at the count and chop off the odd ones, it just never occured to me before.


I know you were not calling me a cheat I meant generally :)

[Tekster]

Sorry I fucked up and I will take care of it would have done it, and would have saved a lot of typing, frustration and your name. JMTC.

[SmithsMedia]

Sorry I fucked up and I will take care of it would have done it, and would have saved a lot of typing, frustration and your name. JMTC.

agreed and tried that :)

[Mr Spock]

How does one check for this type thing? Just go to LOR (or PB, RR, DD etc) and start looking? I get submissions from time to time (not SmithMedia) with my recip alongside LOR or one of the other major list, which is great but now I'm thinking I should do some investigating. Mistakes do happen, and people do cheat.

Wouldn't call it cheating , Chameleon does this with galleries and I assume with the LL submitter as well. Say you have 11 sites in your DB it will take one of the "better" sites (tommys or shemp or in the case of LL - LOR and use it to make up the missing recip(s). Great for the bigger site as you get more inbound links.

A similar thing CS does for galleries(not to sure if it applies to LL submitter , probably does) is to create a separate gallery for each site you submit to (resulting in 2 "fake recips) per submit - webmasters do this so they know exactly where each sale comes from , again the TGP/LL is getting more inbound links in (Mostly crappy worthless links , but still inbound links)

How much traffic do LL and TGPs get via the recip links anyway?

[LD]

Wouldn't call it cheating , Chameleon does this with galleries and I assume with the LL submitter as well. Say you have 11 sites in your DB it will take one of the "better" sites (tommys or shemp or in the case of LL - LOR and use it to make up the missing recip(s). Great for the bigger site as you get more inbound links.

A similar thing CS does for galleries(not to sure if it applies to LL submitter , probably does) is to create a separate gallery for each site you submit to (resulting in 2 "fake recips) per submit - webmasters do this so they know exactly where each sale comes from , again the TGP/LL is getting more inbound links in (Mostly crappy worthless links , but still inbound links)

How much traffic do LL and TGPs get via the recip links anyway?

I'm not familiar with Chameleon, but you're saying I could end up with a site which contains a LOR recip, put their automatically by Chameleon, yet that site would not be listed at LOR (a different mirror would be, however). ...?

I doesn't sound like cheating, unless the submitter were intentionally trying to trick list into listing the site.

But it is misleading as hell, it seems. When I am listed with one of the major sites, I notice qute a few extra clicks from the recip links. I haven't kept count, but I would say 20-30 extra clicks, maybe more. It is something I value as a small list, but I would rather not be fooled, whether intentional or not.

[NY Jester]

Wouldn't call it cheating , Chameleon does this with galleries and I assume with the LL submitter as well. Say you have 11 sites in your DB it will take one of the "better" sites (tommys or shemp or in the case of LL - LOR and use it to make up the missing recip(s). Great for the bigger site as you get more inbound links.

A similar thing CS does for galleries(not to sure if it applies to LL submitter , probably does) is to create a separate gallery for each site you submit to (resulting in 2 "fake recips) per submit - webmasters do this so they know exactly where each sale comes from , again the TGP/LL is getting more inbound links in (Mostly crappy worthless links , but still inbound links)

How much traffic do LL and TGPs get via the recip links anyway?


The point is that the site is listed with false recips. To me thats a problem.

[NY Jester]

This would be another one
http://www.myspankingwebsite.com/her_first_punishment/free/spankingfree/index.html

Submitted to me :
http://www.myspankingwebsite.com/her_first_punishment/free/spankingpussy/index.html

[Maj. Stress]

Just one of the many reasons not to use an auto submitter with free sites.

[stuveltje]

The point is that the site is listed with false recips. To me thats a problem. No doubt! I agree totally with you NY Jester!

[smutguy]

Just one of the many reasons not to use an auto submitter with free sites.
+1 its easier to just hand submit them than using a submit program

I only use a submit program for tgps submissions..

my good partner accounts i still hand submit to them too

[stuveltje]

+1 its easier to just hand submit them than using a submit program

I only use a submit program for tgps submissions..

my good partner accounts i still hand submit to them tooLots are to lazy to handsubmit to linksites, but one of the first thing i learned when i started to submit free sites years ago was ......submit by hand and that will always be the way:D

[stuveltje]

btw that fake receips thing was an issue already years ago and also then it was not accepted , what bugs me now is that i realy have to focus on that playing game also, using a script or whatever, what NOCHEXcontact or SmithsMedia used isnt allowed and he should have known that, he is not a newbie. I am glad the linksite world is a small world:D

[smutguy]

Lots are to lazy to handsubmit to linksites, but one of the first thing i learned when i started to submit free sites years ago was ......submit by hand and that will always be the way:D

It only takes me about 15 to 30 minutes to submit to 45 sites..

[stuveltje]

It only takes me about 15 to 30 minutes to submit to 45 sites..
i realy dont know anymore how much time it takes, i dont submit free sites or make them already for almost 5 years, but i always liked the way to submit by hand, same i still handcode.:D gawd i am so old fashioned

[stuveltje]

But to get back on topic NOCHEXcontact aka SmithsMedia can think now about the facted why he did got listed at my site (i have no rules, btw he is removed now) but he didnt got listed at the other sites i review for, oke i admit i have a strange way of reviewing, but if my feeling about a site is bad i wont list the free site, and i dont have to give a reason for that, my bosses lett me do that already for years and my feeling is always right, if i am wrong , i would admit that in public and say sorry in public, no shame here. But i am very strict with my feelings with my bosses sites then with mine:D

[bluemoney]

I love it when Stu talks all Swedish and shit|bananna|

[stuveltje]

I love it when Stu talks all Swedish and shit|bananna|hyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Blue and nice now i have red cheeks...i am blushing.damn i am 40 years old and i still manage to blush:D

[SheepGuy]

Wouldn't call it cheating , Chameleon does this with galleries and I assume with the LL submitter as well. Say you have 11 sites in your DB it will take one of the "better" sites (tommys or shemp or in the case of LL - LOR and use it to make up the missing recip(s). Great for the bigger site as you get more inbound links.

A similar thing CS does for galleries(not to sure if it applies to LL submitter , probably does) is to create a separate gallery for each site you submit to (resulting in 2 "fake recips) per submit - webmasters do this so they know exactly where each sale comes from , again the TGP/LL is getting more inbound links in (Mostly crappy worthless links , but still inbound links)

How much traffic do LL and TGPs get via the recip links anyway?

I consider it cheating, and I ban for it. If I see a recip on a site that's submitted to me I trust that that exact site was submitted to every site who's recip is there, not a mirror of that site, but that exact site. If I notice that a recip is fake, I keep an eye on future submits, if it happens again I ban, because I feel like someone has tried to cheat me, and is no longer trustworthy.
Fly straight and prosper.

[Cleo]

I get upset and stop listing someone if I catch them doing this.

It's not as bad as say changing a site after listing to get around a LL rules or killing your neighbor's cat but it is a bannable slap in the face kind of shadyness.

I think depending on other aspects of the submitter I might or might not give them a second chance.

[MeatPounder]

Gosh I'm liking this smithsmedia/nochex guy less and less

Purposedly hiding enter links in an off white on a pale blue background (not even white which may be an accident but a shade of white that was chosen) then making the link the smallest font on the page

AND then redirecting to sex.gb.net

banned at all mine

[SmithsMedia]

Gosh I'm liking this smithsmedia/nochex guy less and less

Purposedly hiding enter links in an off white on a pale blue background (not even white which may be an accident but a shade of white that was chosen) then making the link the smallest font on the page

AND then redirecting to sex.gb.net

banned at all mine

Oh shot down by a bunch of people for a genuine mistake.

As for the redirect that was down to my server throyugh no fault of my own being off line - any how I there is little if any point in arguing about it seems I have been hang drawn and quartered by a host of guys who dont know me.

The real shame with you meat pounder is that I submitted for years to Click4Sex and had a good rapoor with with Linkster, the joys :)

[SmithsMedia]

I get upset and stop listing someone if I catch them doing this.

It's not as bad as say changing a site after listing to get around a LL rules or killing your neighbor's cat but it is a bannable slap in the face kind of shadyness.

I think depending on other aspects of the submitter I might or might not give them a second chance.


Cleo, I hear you though I am also disappointed that it is all been put to me in a negitive light, I acknowleged the error and have adressed it but if you is banning me too let me know please just so I can amend my list :)

[SmithsMedia]

But to get back on topic NOCHEXcontact aka SmithsMedia can think now about the facted why he did got listed at my site (i have no rules, btw he is removed now) but he didnt got listed at the other sites i review for, oke i admit i have a strange way of reviewing, but if my feeling about a site is bad i wont list the free site, and i dont have to give a reason for that, my bosses lett me do that already for years and my feeling is always right, if i am wrong , i would admit that in public and say sorry in public, no shame here. But i am very strict with my feelings with my bosses sites then with mine:D


Stuveltje - which sites have you booted me from - not going to argue with you will just make sure they are off my list

cheers :)

[SmithsMedia]

Lots are to lazy to handsubmit to linksites, but one of the first thing i learned when i started to submit free sites years ago was ......submit by hand and that will always be the way:D

It is not about being lazy it is about using an applicaiton to manage all the information, recips etc for LL.

One day a LL is here the next it is gone unless the sites comminicate back it is near on impossible to keep the list clean.

I use a tool to manage the informtion though manually submit through the application it is not an automatic process.

I think you will find 'most perople' do something similar aprat from those who maybe submit to the sames 10 or so sites each day.

When I first started to submitting I did it with spread sheet though this became un productive.

There are two issuse in this post which people are jumping all over me for

1) The Sex GB Redirect - This was caused by server performance issues

3) The filler recips - One I totally acept as my fault and have resolved.

What irratates me is that I am been judged by a handful of people who are saying some pretty bd stuff about it and you dont know me!

[MeatPounder]

Missed this earlier, just saw it in my nightly email from GG&J

Not to beat a dead horse, I have already taken you off my ban list as I mentioned in the other thread.

You did not mention here the semi hidden by font color and size enter links...though you did mention it was a cross browser issue as far as design...yup I guess one enter link color (the only link color specified on the page in fact) a few shades off the background color...and a font size=7 tag only for the link was a design accident |jester|, and it happened on several submits over the course of a few days (different colors and designs of course)...seemed like an experiment to me

Also the redirects to ANOTHER domain were not server down issues as the page and every other link on the domain were working, it was the fact that your 404 redirects to the other domain and you had broken links

But hey, as I said above and in the other thread earlier...you are off my blacklist, and if you care to submit again you can...but quite honestly I will be checking your sites in a microscope from now on

[Maj. Stress]

It is not about being lazy it is about using an applicaiton to manage all the information, recips etc for LL.

One day a LL is here the next it is gone unless the sites comminicate back it is near on impossible to keep the list clean.

I use a tool to manage the informtion though manually submit through the application it is not an automatic process.

I think you will find 'most perople' do something similar aprat from those who maybe submit to the sames 10 or so sites each day.

When I first started to submitting I did it with spread sheet though this became un productive.

There are two issuse in this post which people are jumping all over me for

1) The Sex GB Redirect - This was caused by server performance issues

3) The filler recips - One I totally acept as my fault and have resolved.

What irratates me is that I am been judged by a handful of people who are saying some pretty bd stuff about it and you dont know me!

I can understand that your intentions are good, but do you have any idea what a reviewer is going to see when he looks at what you have submitted?

[nate]

I'd like to point out that I only post root directories to the big guys... and one other named "clean.html" for a guy that specifically asks for no recips.

[SmithsMedia]

I can understand that your intentions are good, but do you have any idea what a reviewer is going to see when he looks at what you have submitted?

Yes I do - I just think sometimes things pass you by or you miss something we are human :) I would be very supprised if there was one person here who has not make a few screw ups along the way :)

[SmithsMedia]

I can understand that your intentions are good, but do you have any idea what a reviewer is going to see when he looks at what you have submitted?


BTW check your PM I am sending you an image you may want to see :)