PimpRoll Account Closed!

[JackDaniel's]

After promoting them for a few months, I tried to login to change some links, and for my surprise my account didn't worked. I tried to contact them about this, and after a few days I got a response from them :

Account has been closed due to high chargeback ratios. thats all it says and i can't really disclose more than that.

I'm really pissed off! |angry| How is this my fault? It sounded like I was cheating or something. |bullshit|

At least they should have had the decency to send me an email and inform me about their decision to close my account. If I hadn't have noticed this, I probably would have sent them more traffic for nothing.

This really sucks! |banghead|

[Greenguy]

Let me hit up one of my contacts & see if they can stop by (I hate it when friends fight)

[JackDaniel's]

Let me hit up one of my contacts & see if they can stop by (I hate it when friends fight)

Thanks Greenie |smooch|

[Hit Man]

We did not accuse you of cheating, your account had 100% chargeback ratio and we can not accept traffic with cb numbers like this from anyone.

It also states in our terms of service that accounts can be closed at any given time at our own discretion and it is not our responsibility to inform them when we do.

[Toby]

100% cb ratio? What are we talking about here 1 sale and 1 charge back? or 20 sales and 20 charge backs? There's a huge difference.

[JackDaniel's]

accounts can be closed at any given time at our own discretion and it is not our responsibility to inform them when we do.

This is not the way any program should treat their affiliates.

Next time I'll pay more attention and I'll choose only programs that treat their affiliates in a respectful, intelligent way.

[Useless]

It also states in our terms of service that accounts can be closed at any given time at our own discretion and it is not our responsibility to inform them when we do.One would think that there must be a way to state that same thing without coming off as, I don't know, like a prick, I suppose.

[Hit Man]

One would think that there must be a way to state that same thing without coming off as, I don't know, like a prick, I suppose.

sorry, was not my intention in the least. I was trying to answer as to why we didn't get back to him about this. I think cracking jokes and trying to smooth things over wouldn't have came out any better in this situation though. ;)

[Tekster]

100% cb ratio? What are we talking about here 1 sale and 1 charge back? or 20 sales and 20 charge backs? There's a huge difference.

Avoiding an answer?

[LeRoy]

fuck it I'm removing links :)

[Useless]

fuck it I'm removing links :)I wouldn't jump to a decision like that without more info. It's not as if PimpRoll gets called out by webmasters all that often. It sucks to have that happen to JD, but we don't know the facts.

[Twiceshy]

That really sucks i have come across the same problem in the past with a diff sponsor but they worked with me and it all worked out so all were happy . If There was like one chargeback of course its going to be 100 % but i can see it if its 20 + but since no one is letting use know just what it is i guess we will never know . All i have to say its sad if a sponosor isnt willing to try work with thier affiliates. With out Us were would most sponsors be ? were is the incentive to want to promote sponsors that are so hard :)? wouldnt it come across much better with a sponsor trying to come to some sort of comprimise or something? were both sides come out on the winning side. Ahh well i just have to say it sucks and will also be much more carefull on whom i promote.

[Bobc01]

sorry, was not my intention in the least. I was trying to answer as to why we didn't get back to him about this. I think cracking jokes and trying to smooth things over wouldn't have came out any better in this situation though. ;)

I guess it depends on who you're dealing with to your attitude?

[LeRoy]

I wouldn't jump to a decision like that without more info. It's not as if PimpRoll gets called out by webmasters all that often. It sucks to have that happen to JD, but we don't know the facts.

Yah I'm jumpin I know I know.

I do know JD aint no cheater.

I just hate being pushed around by the man...

[Useless]

Avoiding an answer?
I doubt Pimproll is going to show us an (ex)affiliate's stats, at least, not without JD giving them permission to do so.
I just hate being pushed around by the man...Me either - I know what you mean. But being impetuous can be bad for business, so I like to appear level headed once in a while to seem balanced. :)

[PR_Tom]

Hi all, long time no post.

There are systems in place to help clean out some accounts that are simply bad, and we know that some good webmasters COULD get swept up by the system. But we need to obviously let it help find the actual bad guy's who actually are actively, intentionally, defrauding us.

We clearly want all of the good webmasters we can get every day. But we're going to have to let the system run and we know that some people will be contacting us asking us "wtf?" and we'll get it done and get it straight in time because we're in it for the long haul.

It's not a personal judgement of character, I absolutely can assure you of that!

[JackDaniel's]

I doubt Pimproll is going to show us an (ex)affiliate's stats, at least, not without JD giving them permission to do so.

There's no secret. I haven't sent them much traffic and I only made 3 sales since I promote them and I really think it's crazy to judge after only 3 sales. |crazy|

[Bobc01]

Hi all, long time no post.

There are systems in place to help clean out some accounts that are simply bad, and we know that some good webmasters COULD get swept up by the system. But we need to obviously let it help find the actual bad guy's who actually are actively, intentionally, defrauding us.

We clearly want all of the good webmasters we can get every day. But we're going to have to let the system run and we know that some people will be contacting us asking us "wtf?" and we'll get it done and get it straight in time because we're in it for the long haul.

It's not a personal judgement of character, I absolutely can assure you of that!


Maybe taking the time to investigate in future would save you any embarrassment. |thumb

[Useless]

Hi all, long time no post.Tom! |waves|
Glad to see you're still around.

[Hit Man]

Maybe taking the time to investigate in future would save you any embarrassment. |thumb

We did investigate it, and nobody is embarrassed. We simply are giving an explanation as to what happened here.

[Bobc01]

We did investigate it, and nobody is embarrassed. We simply are giving an explanation as to what happened here.

I think you mean "We are simply giving" but anyway, we all get bad sales so maybe a bit more communication between you and your affiliates would help save you the trouble of rushing to the board in a panic.

[Greenguy]

We did investigate it, and nobody is embarrassed. We simply are giving an explanation as to what happened here.I mean this in the nicest way possible: You're coming off like an asshole in this thread. That's the embarrassment portion comes in.


To me, in these circumstances, telling a webmaster this is unacceptable:
Account has been closed due to high chargeback ratios. thats all it says and i can't really disclose more than that.

Obviously, I don't know if this was a portion of the conversation, but you're coming off as if these is no discussion to be had about this & that's no way to do business IMHO.

If a sponsor told me that I'd mother-fuck them up & down in public (and I have)

I can see your side of it too - believe me when I say that. But to cancel them without notice is just bad business. What happened to flagging someone's account, keeping an eye on him, looking into who you're dealing with? I don't know JD personally, but I can tell you that he is a valued member of our community & I think you know that does mean something.

When TGP's & Link Lists want to flush out a cheater, you know what the 1st step is? You contact them. The ones that reply are probably not cheaters.

If you don't do any research & just let the computer cancel people, your gonna end up finding yourself in shit situations, like this one, where you have canceled the account of a legit hard working webmaster.

I do love Pimp Roll. but I personally think your methods for what to do with suspected cheaters is flawed.

[Maj. Stress]

I thought Pimproll put webmasters on revshare if you had to many chargebacks. When did that change?

[PR_Tom]

Hi Useless, nice to be remembered ;)

Guys n gals, Hitman is a much busier man than I am which is why I tried to jump back in here and help with a post about the situation. I have a little more time to sit and type and such, so I'll try some more.

I'm trying to say that the bottom line is we, like any program, want good webmasters all of the time, and thats not going to change. Thats a clue that hey, if you are a dolphin who got caught in the tuna net, please bear with it for the time being and let us know. If you write it in a ticket, I shall try to revisit the accounts when it's the right time and see where we stand.

PimpRoll and all of the sites/programs under the same company are in this for the LONG HAUL as always. Thats why we heard people about cross sales for instance and allow you to turn them off. Now I think his account got netted with a bunch of actual active fraudsters and I know it could be pure dumb luck with a few sales and all cb's. It can happen.

I can't sit here and flick a switch and turn accounts off and on, I dont have the information or the power or whatever. But if you can bear with us, I can only say again that we want all of the good webmasters we can find and that's not going to change.

Maj Stress, I think it's because it was 100% and, if I'm not mistaken, a FAIRLY new account. Dont quote me on that. I am guessing for this instance only and doing so without data in front of me.

[Cleo]

I thought Pimproll put webmasters on revshare if you had to many chargebacks. When did that change?
That would seem fair to me.

I know JackDaniel's from submitting sites to me. He is a good site builder and has a lot of stuff out there. He is on my barely review trusted submitter list. It's a messy situation when a webmaster is forced to pull submitted stuff which is what PimpRoll is forcing him to do.

I had a sponsor force me to pull a bunch of submitted galleries and sites last year and at best it wasn't pleasant and at worst it may have gotten me banned at a few TGPs.

[Star Man]

PR_Tom and Hit Man,with all due respect here...

If you were a webmaster that just got done reading this thread would YOU want to work with you?

[Star Man]

I just mean you sound kind of harsh,thats all...

[CrazySy]

One would think that there must be a way to state that same thing without coming off as, I don't know, like a prick, I suppose.I am curious, why would a company hire someone like him for support? |huh

[PR_Tom]

Well I guess it depends, Star Man.

It depends on what I want from a program, and what I expect from a program and so forth. I'm trying to deal with it straight on in terms that I can use. Realising that it's a private issue gone public else I wouldnt have in the first place. First thing I had to do this morning when I logged in and got an ICQ message was to inquire about it. I've posted my findings here in this thread.

Now I can tell you that at times, I've had to tell people they were terminated because of "fraud" and if you own a paysite, you know that sometimes thats what a third party processor tells you, and thats about it! Kinda hard to smooth that sort of thing over when relaying it to the affiliate and thats a fact.

What I would find much worse is a completely non-responsive program that wouldnt even visit the board to say hello or goodbye or anything else.

I have absolutely no reason to believe that it was anything other than pure bad luck that got JD's account in trouble. And I am saying I will personally try to revisit any accounts by good webmasters who send in an email that they cant log in. It's all I can do as I live and breathe.

[Bobc01]

Well I guess it depends, Star Man.

It depends on what I want from a program, and what I expect from a program and so forth. I'm trying to deal with it straight on in terms that I can use. Realising that it's a private issue gone public else I wouldnt have in the first place. First thing I had to do this morning when I logged in and got an ICQ message was to inquire about it. I've posted my findings here in this thread.

Now I can tell you that at times, I've had to tell people they were terminated because of "fraud" and if you own a paysite, you know that sometimes thats what a third party processor tells you, and thats about it! Kinda hard to smooth that sort of thing over when relaying it to the affiliate and thats a fact.

What I would find much worse is a completely non-responsive program that wouldnt even visit the board to say hello or goodbye or anything else.

I have absolutely no reason to believe that it was anything other than pure bad luck that got JD's account in trouble. And I am saying I will personally try to revisit any accounts by good webmasters who send in an email that they cant log in. It's all I can do as I live and breathe.

It's every "Good" webmasters nightmare to have charge backs and it's a shame the CC companies don't do more to stop it.

Unless ofcourse it's a legitimate reason, you know like pre-checked cross sales. ;)

[Star Man]

Well I guess it depends, Star Man.

It depends on what I want from a program, and what I expect from a program and so forth. I'm trying to deal with it straight on in terms that I can use. Realising that it's a private issue gone public else I wouldnt have in the first place. First thing I had to do this morning when I logged in and got an ICQ message was to inquire about it. I've posted my findings here in this thread.

Now I can tell you that at times, I've had to tell people they were terminated because of "fraud" and if you own a paysite, you know that sometimes thats what a third party processor tells you, and thats about it! Kinda hard to smooth that sort of thing over when relaying it to the affiliate and thats a fact.

What I would find much worse is a completely non-responsive program that wouldnt even visit the board to say hello or goodbye or anything else.

I have absolutely no reason to believe that it was anything other than pure bad luck that got JD's account in trouble. And I am saying I will personally try to revisit any accounts by good webmasters who send in an email that they cant log in. It's all I can do as I live and breathe.
JD's account and what happened is obviously none of my business and I was hesitant to post in this thread.I only chimed in because I've had my share of chargebacks and if my sponsors came on the board and implied that I was a bad webmaster,I'd be pretty damn embarrassed.But hey,I don't know the details and you and Hit Man seem to be firm on your rather harsh stance.

[SheepGuy]

PimpRoll's treatment of JD, an honest webmaster, is very similar to another sponsor's treatment of myself, check out http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=42624 if you've got some spare time.
After 4 or 5 pages of bad publicity for the sponsor involved, I received an apology for being falsely accused of fraud, thanks in a large part to the help of people in the biz who know me and know my character, and spoke up.

I'm not sure where that sponsor is now, but I'm still here.

As big as PimpRoll is, I'm not sure where they'll be in a couple of years if they treat honest webmasters as crooks, but I know JD will still be putting up quality porn sites and making an honest living doing so.

[Webby]

PimpRoll's treatment of JD, an honest webmaster, is very similar to another sponsor's treatment of myself, check out http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=42624 if you've got some spare time.
After 4 or 5 pages of bad publicity for the sponsor involved, I received an apology for being falsely accused of fraud, thanks in a large part to the help of people in the biz who know me and know my character, and spoke up.


Not a lot ya can say after that SheepGuy! Speechless!!!

Sure does sound like some crap from an airline - they are never wrong, never issue apologies and their lawyers write crap to avoid admitting liability :-)

[Star Man]

PimpRoll's treatment of JD, an honest webmaster, is very similar to another sponsor's treatment of myself, check out http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=42624 if you've got some spare time.
After 4 or 5 pages of bad publicity for the sponsor involved, I received an apology for being falsely accused of fraud, thanks in a large part to the help of people in the biz who know me and know my character, and spoke up.
Just read that now Sheepguy.Thats some slander type stuff right there.She even admitted she could have messed up but just kept going anyhow.Shocking....

[MadCat]

Problem with sponsors is that they seem to hire ex-airline staff for their support, or just have no idea how to do it right.
As far as I can tell, the usual reaction from a sponsor towards and affiliate that gets an "excessive" amount of chargebacks is: "omg we see more chargebacks on this account than is the norm. BALEETED!@#"

At this point, the poor affiliate is already considered guilty.

The "proper" way to handle it, as a sponsor, is if your system is telling you that someone's getting more chargebacks than normal, or there is some sort of suspicious activity going on, you contact said affiliate. You send them an e-mail, saying that your system has flagged their account due to <insert activity here>, and could they please contact you within 3 days to discuss the situation, and so sorry but you won't be credited for sales while your account is flagged."

(However, you do keep a record of the sales the affiliate brought in when they are flagged).

If they don't respond within 3 days, you can release the BALEET! BALEET! monkeys.

If they do respond within 3 days, and give a good explanation as to what's happened (and a good explanation does include "how should I know? I just run a few sites"), you take it to the next level and put them on probation. This means that instead of being "potential fraud" flagged, they are now "probation" flagged. You release the earlier signups back into their stats, but with one change; if you pay twice weekly, you now pay this affiliate once a month. If you pay monthly, sales for the current month are not paid the next, but one month after.

This gets you 2 things:
1) An affiliate, who might not like the fact he's getting paid late, but is still getting paid
2) Better control because you can still bump the affiliate back into a flagged state
3) If seriously excessive chargebacks do continue, you can deduct this from the affiliate's payout. If it gets really out of hand, toss affiliate back to the flagged state.

Of course this would require that you use an affiliate management system with half a clue that offers the functionality to do this. NATS is not it (personal bias, just ignore it if you want :P)

[Hit Man]

Wow this is like a shooting gallery in here... I guess most of you don't know me so that's ok to take cheap shots at me right? One thing I can say about JD is he definitely has class. Even though it was his account that was closed, and this is his issue, at no point (even during our conversations on icq) did he feel the need to insult me or try to correct my grammar or say anything in anger at all. He merely posted his situation to find some answers, and that is totally understandable.

I work hard at helping webmasters find answers to problems--that is my job. Unfortunately some of the answers I have for them aren't a good thing. In this case specifically I let him know the situation, apologized that I could not be of more help to him. He then let me know the circumstances ie number of sales etc. So I looked into this further and found out there was nothing I could do in this situation.

We have made some changes lately and, like all new things, may need some tweaking to be done. JD I will try to find out if something can be worked out for you, you obviously have a lot of credit here and like Greenie said that is definitely worth something.

[Toby]

Hit Man, with all due respect, any policy that leaves no option but to terminate an honest and innocent webmaster is seriously flawed.

If the 3 sales are from a common source, and not linked to the affiliate other than by his ref code, how can he be held accountable? Did you read the thread that SheepGuy linked to above? In that case there were 5 fraudulent charges, and SheepGuy was completely innocent of any wrong doing.

PimpRoll needs to take a long hard look at how it handles these situations. As you have just found out, terminating an affiliate arbitrarily can have some major repercussions.

[Greenguy]

I think I worked more on this yesterday then I did my own work :)

I'm not sure what I can say & can't say, so I'm going to speak in very vague terms - just trust me.

After speaking via ICQ to Hit Man, Tom & David (The Pimp Roll Big Wig) I can say that I can see both sides very clearly. It's one of those situations where unavoidable mistakes were made. I say unavoidable because I know Pimp Roll doesn't have a better way of doing it. It's almost like fighting gravity. Every suggestion I threw at them was replied to with "Yes, we thought of that, but then this happens."

Does everyone remember the Zango thing where Jim & Sparky came up with the redirect? You put the code on your site, users with Zango toolbar were redirected to a page informing them of the spyware & how to get rid of it. This was all done in public. Zango then added a pop-up anytime there was a redirect, informing the surfer that we were basically full of shit.

Point is that when you let the cheater know how you caught them, they adjust & the process starts over again.

Pimp Roll is not going to tell any of us how they catch cheaters - and why would they?

David did tell me a lot of their methods in confidence, as well as a lot of the current methods being used by cheaters & I actually typed "WOW!" into our ICQ chat at least 2 times.

At the end of the conversation, we left it as this:
1 - JD's account was going to be personally looked at by David & more than likely he'll be reinstated.
2 - Pimp Roll is going to be altering one small part of their method so that a situation like this is less likely to happen again in the future.

I'd ask that no one hold any of this against Pimp Roll. There are very few sponsors that I truly have no problems with & they are one of them. They have one of the best programs out there, they have a ton of sites, they have great promo materials, they have great support (Hit Man was here within 12 minutes, regardless of if you liked his reply or not - lol), I trust them 100%

100%

|shake|

[tickler]

...... like all new things, may need some tweaking to be done.
Maybe a little more black boxing before going live.|whisper|

I've had the opposite occur with sales(not CBs) at another sponsor a long time ago.

Because I trickle only sales to a lot of sites sometimes I will fluke and hit some extra sales. I've had scripts flag my account because it didn't like me making 3 sales on 10 hits.

Even after explaining to a rep that the script really needed to be modified to look at ratios over a much larger number of hits rather than just one period didn't seem to compute with them.

Guess they didn't want free stats/programming advice from somebody that's been at it since before they were born.|banghead| Guess they didn't want my sales either.

[PR_Tom]

Thanks for the nice words, Greenie. And for taking the time out to check further about it.

[ArtWilliams]

This is why I love this board. Especially the happy endings!

[Useless]

Wow this is like a shooting gallery in here... I guess most of you don't know me so that's ok to take cheap shots at me right? One thing I can say about JD is he definitely has class. Even though it was his account that was closed, and this is his issue, at no point (even during our conversations on icq) did he feel the need to insult me or try to correct my grammar or say anything in anger at all. He merely posted his situation to find some answers, and that is totally understandable. This is a very protective community -- typically not an every-man-for-himself atmosphere. My only issue with you was the second sentence of your first post, which I thought could have been delivered in a softer, friendlier manner. Otherwise, I'm not judging you or PR's reaction or charge back policy. If I worked for PR, or any other business for that matter, I'd work to protect its interests as well. If I knew you better, I'd probably be a better judge of your tone and I would have known whether or not you intended to sound "prickish" or if you're just a very busy matter-of-fact kind of guy.

By the way, I think your grammar is excellent -- especially for a message board.

PS. If you guys could come up with better, more eye-catching, odd-shaped banners for Porn.com and AE's All Adult Pass, I'd appreciate it. (600x300/400 is good for me. :)) It's actually an industry-wide problem. Multi-site banner ads simply suck balls. They never seem to shout out what a great deal you're getting or that the site advertised is any different from a standard site.

[Bobc01]

Wow this is like a shooting gallery in here... I guess most of you don't know me so that's ok to take cheap shots at me right?

You mean in the same way you do with surfers and cross sales?

[Greenguy]

This is a very protective community -- typically not an every-man-for-himself atmosphere....Of course, there are exceptions, like the post just above this one.

[Bobc01]

Of course, there are exceptions, like the post just above this one.

Sorry Greenie, i don't sell out as easy as you. ;)

[Greenguy]

I take my integrity very seriously, so I ask that you not even joke that there was anything behind the effort I put into this other than 2 parties that I consider friends having a disagreement.

[Bobc01]

I take my integrity very seriously, so I ask that you not even joke that there was anything behind the effort I put into this other than 2 parties that I consider friends having a disagreement.


You're absolutely right, who am i to judge cheap tactics by "your friends"

[Greenguy]

The keywords in that post are "who am i" because as far as I can tell, other than a rude bigot, you're nobody.

You've got no sig file & no site link in your profile. I can't remember you ever posting/talking about what site you own/run. The only thing I know about you is that you are 99.44% negative about EVERYTHING.

Yes, I do consider Pimp Roll to be my friends. Yes, they do have link codes with cross sales, but they are one of the few that also offer link codes without them.

But I assume you knew that, since you seem to know EVERYTHING.

It must be a lonely existence to be such a little hate filled man.

[Bobc01]

I guess having link codes without the cross sale code makes it all ok.

Yeah you're right, hate for spineless arseholes that sell out and troll.

[Useless]

Yeah you're right, hate for spineless arseholes that sell out and troll.Honestly, Bob, who don't you hate?

Troll? You're the biggest fucking troll on the board, you simple-minded racist douchebag.

I fail to see how anyone is selling out by promoting a large, respected sponsor like PimpRoll and no one could possibly care less about what your opinion on the matter is. You don't know fuck-all about promoting sponsors anyway. Disagreeing with a policy or two, yet continuing to promote a sponsor is not selling out - it's business; it's life.

By the way, fuck face, you're the reason that I hardly ever go into the chat room. You can't seem to carry on a conversation without making some type of ignorant, racist comment -- and I shouldn't have to argue nonsense with you or bite my tongue in order to chat with friends or talk business with other board members. You belong on GFY with the rest of low-life racist surfmasters. Go join some contest threads, idiot. It would be the first money you've made in this business.

[Greenguy]

I'm thinking we need a poll to see if we should ban Bob from the board & chat room. It'd be a 1st, but if a person has ZERO friends in a community, I think it's ok to banish them |thumb

BTW - Back on topic - JD sent me a PM this morning & he's going to be offline for personal reasons for the next few days, so don't worry that he's not posting.

[Bobc01]

Honestly, Bob, who don't you hate?

Troll? You're the biggest fucking troll on the board, you simple-minded racist douchebag.

I fail to see how anyone is selling out by promoting a large, respected sponsor like PimpRoll and no one could possibly care less about what your opinion on the matter is. You don't know fuck-all about promoting sponsors anyway. Disagreeing with a policy or two, yet continuing to promote a sponsor is not selling out - it's business; it's life.

By the way, fuck face, you're the reason that I hardly ever go into the chat room. You can't seem to carry on a conversation without making some type of ignorant, racist comment -- and I shouldn't have to argue nonsense with you or bite my tongue in order to chat with friends or talk business with other board members. You belong on GFY with the rest of low-life racist surfmasters. Go join some contest threads, idiot. It would be the first money you've made in this business.

And you're the biggest arsehole so i guess we're even, i don't need to arse lick like the others do on here and i speak my mind, you know, it's called being an individual which has no place on here.

[Bobc01]

I'm thinking we need a poll to see if we should ban Bob from the board & chat room. It'd be a 1st, but if a person has ZERO friends in a community, I think it's ok to banish them |thumb

BTW - Back on topic - JD sent me a PM this morning & he's going to be offline for personal reasons for the next few days, so don't worry that he's not posting.


Ban me then and doit now, i got no time for cheap fuckheads, you fuckers sell porn or didn't you realise?

You people will fall of the high horses soon.

[Star Man]

I thought Greenie did a real classy,happy ending too.....

Why did you keep going bobc01? You fucking ruined it.

[Bobc01]

I thought Greenie did a real classy,happy ending too.....

Why did you keep going bobc01? You fucking ruined it.

Beacause it makes me laugh just how transparent people are on here.

[Bobc01]

ooops, before i go i want to make one last point, mainly at Useless being as he likes to promote himself as so politically correct.

First off, let's not be hypocritical about who we label as "racist" as i can quote a number of occasions that would put you, and your side kicks to shame.

It's all very well you trying to create an image of yourself in public, but you take it 2 steps further, arsehole!

Bring on the trolls ready and waiting to jump in with what nice, respectable people you are. :D

[Toby]

{heavy sigh}

[Greenguy]

Ban me then and doit now, i got no time for cheap fuckheads, you fuckers sell porn or didn't you realise?

You people will fall of the high horses soon.|waves|

|horse|

[Toby]

Geez, I wonder who pissed on his Cherios?

[ArtWilliams]

Yesh, but UW is a likable arsehole.|smooch|

And you're the biggest arsehole ...

[Hit Man]

PS. If you guys could come up with better, more eye-catching, odd-shaped banners for Porn.com and AE's All Adult Pass, I'd appreciate it. (600x300/400 is good for me. :)) It's actually an industry-wide problem. Multi-site banner ads simply suck balls. They never seem to shout out what a great deal you're getting or that the site advertised is any different from a standard site.

not a problem, can shoot those over to one of our designers. They get backed up at times so can't say when they will be available exactly though. Hit me up on icq for specifics and I'll see what I can get done for you.

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[plateman]

strange thread, I know PR tom is good people, and I talked to PR dave a couple of times and he seems like a straight shooter

JD is a good submitter and trustable in my book

I never had any troubles with Pimproll, and adult elite I made a lot of money with them in the day

shit just happens in this biz

I learned early on when stuff like this happens to just let it go
or work something out, atleast the PR people are willing to find out what happened

Not like those cocksuckers I had problems with early on when I started in this biz, the older members on this board know who I am talking about

[Pagan]

Whenever I talk to newer webmasters, I nudge them over towards PimpRoll (among a very small handful of others) because I have always been treated fairly. PimpRoll is one of the first sponsors to give webmasters the choice - consoles/no consoles, cross sales/no cross sales, and even different trial pricing. As Greenie noted, they have lots of content and lots of sites to promote. Slam them if you want, Bob, they are good people in my book. Oh, wait - you don't build sites or own a link list or do anything even slightly tainted with the air of adult, do you? Then what are you doing constantly hanging around?

While I see terse phrases from a very busy guy in Hit Man's posts, I don't see the rudeness - just brevity. This doesn't make the whole program suck, or even the individual. I am honestly and truly touched that this was dealt with so rapidly and on such a personal level. Friends standing up for friends and ironing things out- WOW.

I do know what sites I will be promoting on a more regular basis. Thank you all for a great lesson.

[Twiceshy]

[QUOTE]=Greenie]I'm thinking we need a poll to see if we should ban Bob from the board & chat room. It'd be a 1st, but if a person has ZERO friends in a community, I think it's ok to banish them |thumb
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I would have to second that motion Greenie.
Bob seems to have a lack of personal skills in almost every area he makes anything and everything personal. To me that says he might need prozac or some form of it *shrugs* to be such a hateful bitter man no matter the subject.
He does dating sites and constantly states porn sucks shit .well wtf are you doing on a Adult Webmaster Board for ? to preach that WE are all fucked and YOU are so above us lowly Smut peddlers?
My advice is to you Bob seek help serious help and maybe take a vacation from your computer maybe you wont be so bitter and hateful others are making money and loving what they do ?

I hope you become a happier person down the road

[LeRoy]

Wow. I was working away and I missed a banning of Bobc01. Nice knowin ya. I hope you didnt mean me when you said those kind of things.

I'll take that as a no :)

Anyway. Greenie thanks for taking the time to work this through. What you think about Sponsors means a lot to me. This thread caught me in an awful mood yesterday and I hate it when big guys push the good guys.

Especially around here. It felt like a wrongful public hanging or something.

[pc]

After careful reading just wanna say |thumb|thumb for Greenie for stand up for JD.It's nice to see how some people help others even if they don't know each other personally but just on the board.
Very professional work in stupid situation like this.

[secretagentwilly]

damn...I just got back from a 12 day vacation to florida...looks like I missed some crazy shit while I was riding fan boats in the everglades looking for alligators in 80 degree weather and hanging out at disneyworld with a 5 day park hopper pass. I promote pimproll and haven't had any problems with them so I'm glad this worked out (i do wish they had better promotional content or I had access to the sites to make my own) but I would say the big take away from this thread for me is that it's important to be active in the community and build your credibility through posts and submitting. I'm a lowkey member of the board and sometimes wonder what the outcome would be if I were accused of cheating and had no way to present my case or any credibility to make an appeal. It'd be a shame for some false accusation to get someone blackballed and put out of business. As a foot soldier in this industry i appreciate the forum more than ever for the opportunity it gives and i especially appreciate some of the senior members ability to advocate and shed light on subjects that aren't always so black and white...I'm glad to read that everything seems to be working out for all interested parties and a good sponsors got some good feedback about it's termination policy.

one last question...if you're banned, can you still post?

[Greenguy]

...I learned early on when stuff like this happens to just let it go
or work something out, atleast the PR people are willing to find out what happened...So you learned this after the exact same thing happened to you & SIC Cash?

[plateman]

So you learned this after the exact same thing happened to you & SIC Cash?
the exact same thing didnt happen, I like an ass fought with them, wasted a bunch of time and felt sour that some others didnt drop there links....

JD is I take it is trying to work it out in private

[CaptainJSparrow]

For what it's worth Jack Daniels is a trusted submitter and valued trade partner. I've never seen him do anything that was not on the up and up.

As for Pimp Roll, I don't understand why they would not send a warning message saying that they will close an account within 2 weeks, or 30 days, or some such time due to charge backs. Then send another e-mail once they've closed an account. They have all of the webmaster's contact information and certainly it would not be that difficult for their program to generate such letters.

[LowryBigwood]

I have not been around here in a while but I am still doing my thing... I would advise people to look at this thread from a very different perspective than the posters which of who I have worked with. He's a good webmaster, no doubt. I can definetely say that I would work with Pimproll and Adult Elite even after this thread because I know they are not out here cheating ppl. It appears Jack got caught up in a simple misunderstanding. But, after 3 sales if you send me 3 chargebacks I'm gonna close your account too. It's only good business. Come on folks, this could of been resolved privately. .02

P.S. Just for a little proof they're not out to get ya, I sent them over 1100 sales in 08 and they didn't kill my account yet! |jester|

[JackDaniel's]

Fisrt of all I'm sorry I haven't posted until now, but I had some health issues that had to be taken care of.

Thank you all for the nice words, especially Greenie who took time to support me and help me out, and I'm really grateful for that. |bow|

When I started this thread, it wasn't my intention to turn people against PimpRoll. I felt mistreated at some points and I just wasn't happy the way things ended.

Before I came here, I really tired to work out things in privite, so I discussed things with them on ICQ and in the end my only option was to pull out their links and move on. And as Cleo said before this isn't pleasant at all :)

So thanks again to all those who supported me. |thumb

[HowlingWulf]

Like it's been said, sometimes good accounts get caught in the ban filters. I'd like to think contacting the sponsors and laying things out would address the issue, but sometimes that's not true either. :(

[centrerelax]

i just joined pimproll in 10 days,then my account closed !
i left pimproll...