AFF (A possibly productive thread)

[WildChyld]

Hey Everyone!
Long time no see.
|waves|

Believe it or not AFF just hired me (as of this Monday) to start working on their affiliate program.

Anyone who remembers me from my personal site knows that I am EXTREMELY dedicated to fair, clean programs.

What would be super helpful to me is if I could get constructive feedback and suggestions on what would help make the program work well for you.

What didn't work before?
What keeps you away?
What would you like to see changed/added?
What would bring you back/ Get you involved?

I especially would love to hear from Greenie (I miss you! Say hi to the Marylous!)

My friendfinder contact info is:
email is hpowers@ffn.com.
yahoo ffwildchyld
ICQ 437644867
Anyone who doesn't want to post here is more than welcome to email me there as well.

[justbondage]

Doesn't seem to be a lot of love for the AFF company on this forum.

[Greenguy]

HEY! I know you |waves|

...Anyone who remembers me from my personal site knows that I am EXTREMELY dedicated to fair, clean programs...So why are you working for them?

Seriously - and not to bash you & if we were face to face I'd ask the same question.

Did you not know about the problems? Do any searches on webmaster boards?

The problem that sticks in my mind is Zango. I give Lars credit for not telling lies about it, but when you admit to using it & endorsing it and then, when he did pull the accounts, he told everyone that he only did it because it was no longer profitable - not ONCE acknowledging that Zango allows people to steal traffic from legit webmasters like you and me.

There's more - hell, I tried to sign up years ago & emailed support & I'm still waiting for an answer to what I thought was a simple problem.

Love ya :)

[Useless]

Let's not forget about how AFF doesn't mind profiting from the ILLEGAL tube sites.

Not only will I not promote AFF, I will not accept any gallery, free site, or blog which promotes AFF.

[MrMaryLou]

Hello from the Lou's WildChyld :)

[WildChyld]

I'm asking on this forum especially because I know you guys will tell me exactly what the major problems are and I trust you all :)

Sometimes being in the building can help make a difference, sometimes not.

If I find that I can't fix any of the problems here I won't stay here.
I think you know me better than that :)

Warrior - so harsh!!!! Still love ya though

[Useless]

Warrior - so harsh!!!!If that seemed harsh, I apologize. I wasn't trying to imply any type of hostility.

[Greenguy]

...Warrior - so harsh!!!! Still love ya thoughThat was not even close to harsh. That was simply a truthful statement.

I don't think you can fully grasp how much hatred we have for AFF. I personally don't promote anything associated with it - cams.com, Penthouse, etc - Lars is too greedy.

[Toby]

Not only will I not promote AFF, I will not accept any gallery, free site, or blog which promotes AFF.

Ditto for all of my TGPs.

WilyChyld, I understand that you're trying to make a difference. But in regards to AFF, at least for most of us here, that ship has long ago sailed.

[WildChyld]

I was teasing warrior ;)

I'm still going to try to see what I can do here.
If anyone has an extra 100k burning a hole in their pocket and they'd rather me work for them instead of the enemy I'm always up for suggestions :P

I have to work mainstream for a while so that I can afford to start my sex ed nonprofit!

[Jim]

I was teasing warrior ;)

I'm still going to try to see what I can do here.
If anyone has an extra K burning a hole in their pocket and they'd rather me work for them instead of the enemy I'm always up for suggestions :P

I have to work mainstream for a while so that I can afford to start my sex ed nonprofit!

You have to know what all the problems are. If you really believe you can change how they do business, you should probably quit right now.

I searched google really quick to get the particulars on the newest lawsuit and I couldn't find it among the ripoffreports and other lawsuits.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLL_en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=adult+friend+finder+lawsuit&spell=1

[WildChyld]

Sigh!

Thus far I've found that there are some things that are true complaints and others that don't seem to be as accurate.

If I immediately dismissed every company that people talk badly about I'd never work anywhere.

Most recently I was at goodvibes.com where I really did think I would be able to make a difference and was doing some great advocacy work...that was until they got bought out and everything changed.

[LeRoy]

This thread needs me to be real.

Greenie can I have a hall pass to be frank?

[Preacher]

Epic Cash doesn't like AFF either (http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=98664)

“It is the equivalent of Burger King setting up shop inside a McDonald’s and selling Whoppers to anyone asking for a Big Mac,” Kaufman added. “That we are dealing with virtual, rather than brick-and-mortar storefronts, does not change the fact that these deceptive and unfair practices are unacceptable. I expect the court to agree.”

There's a lot going on at Penthouse and I know how they are trying to re-brand their web-presence, they are just doing it totally the wrong way by purchasing a network of infected surfers. |club|

But hey, if you can spin it positive for them for $100k, all the best to you. It won't change the current attitudes of ethical webmasters though.

[Pagan]

Look, you had a great product in the early years that had a lot of free features for your visitors. Webmasters could send visitors there knowing the experience would be good for everyone involved. Happy surfers spend more money on both sites. When you start cheating webmasters, they start pulling ads, then the rumors start, and surfers begin to get wary.

Problem really is AFF/Zango has screwed the very population it relys on, and I don't think there really is any going back. Will I actively promote them again? Nope. Casually, on some sites, maybe, but not actively and if I do it is only because it is still decent on the free level. I do think the Silver/Gold is overpriced and isn't really sticky enough. What can you do to win me back? Strip the crap, play by the rules, and develop a track record for playing fair. Can you do it? Doubt it, though I do applaud you for trying.

[WildChyld]

You do know that they don't work with Zango anymore right.
That was one of the first things I asked about when they contacted me :)

I've only been in their building for 3 days.
Give me a little while to look around before I take sides on what's a lost cause.

Thus far I haven't seen any shenanigans with the current staff.
Trust me, if I DO see it, I'll be out of there in a heartbeat.

[Simon]

Hiya WildChyld |waves|

I know it's not easy finding all of the many threads where AFF has been trashed on this board since you can't search for strings of less than four characters. But here are just a couple of threads you may want to check out if you haven't found these already. There were various questions, complaints, etc raised that were never addressed by anyone from AFF.

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=44185

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=46904



.

[Greenguy]

This thread needs me to be real.

Greenie can I have a hall pass to be frank?Why would I care what you post?

You do know that they don't work with Zango anymore right...We know that, but the reason they stopped working with them, which was that it was no longer cost effective, is what pisses everyone off. They'd still work with them if they were making money. They could care less that Zango STEALS signups from legit webmasters.

I'm also wondering what you think you're going to see at the office? A secret door to a room that contains a "shave" machine? People shredding file cabinet's worth of documents the day before a trial? A datacenter where people look for tube sites that have 2 hours movies and fusker domains that hotlink pics so that they can buy ads?

[LeRoy]

Why would I care what you post?

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.

Internal Tracking ID:
147127448_69235/ffadult
webmaster@bestxxxfucksite.com

[ponygirl]

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.

Internal Tracking ID:
147127448_69235/ffadult
webmaster@bestxxxfucksite.com
well, not everyone actually banned AFF as a sponsor, people just didn't like the way they did business. If someone wants to advertise them, that's not really my concern, I'll do what I want based on my own thoughts. If you don't want to link to someone because of that, that's fine too.

If you have a problem with it, don't link or submit to the site in question.

[Tekster]

I have to agree with PG on this, not that like AFF but what anybody does on their own site is their business, I have my own sites with my own rules and if you don't like it well, there is a lot out there to chose from. :)

Second point I don't think the owner of Smut Gremlins ever came around to say anything about AFF and then promote them, at least not that I remember.

MHO - Not that I know anything.

[hashbury]

For everything greenie has to say about AFF its not banned a LOR. Some people have been promoting AFF for years and making good cash. If they didnt see a drop in sales when zango hit, Why would they stop promoting them. When I first came to this board, I was promoting AFF and making very good cash for a newbie. But I did find it rather hard to get link trades and make friends here while promoting them. So I stopped promoting them.
Just my measily 2 cents

[Bobc01]

I hate AFF with a passion, all the shit they're associated with like viruses, trojans and especially spam that they obviously know about but again, don't give a fuck.

As far as promoting on illegal tube sites, fling do the same and many webmasters on here promote those too.

For me it's upto an individual to promote who they like whether i like the sponsor or not, if they're making money and happy then it's upto them and nothing to do with me. :)

[LeRoy]

well, not everyone actually banned AFF as a sponsor, people just didn't like the way they did business. If someone wants to advertise them, that's not really my concern, I'll do what I want based on my own thoughts. If you don't want to link to someone because of that, that's fine too.

If you have a problem with it, don't link or submit to the site in question.

I didn't have a problem with it personally. I gladly submitted there regularly. and hopefully still can after this.

The problem I had was when newbies come here we bash em for mentioning AFF.

While one of the most respected members here flew the banners. It just seemed a little odd at the time.

Bringing this up now doesnt mean anything since the AFF banners are no longer on the site.

[Tekster]

...
While one of the most respected members here flew the banners. It just seemed a little odd at the time.
...

But my point is that the respected member never said anything about AFF.

[Twiceshy]

I was about to post the same thing Tek :)

[Emerald]

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When did you EVER promote AFF through Smutgremlins? You have never been given any right to promote anything on my domain. If you choose to promote AFF on one of your FS, it is something your doing of your own choice and on your domain, NOT mine!
I am not a/your sponsor - Your recip table isnt "promoting" LL's - Its a token of appreciation from the submitter to the LL for the traffic.

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

Again, what has Smutgremlins got to do with your gripe at AFF and what gives you the right to select Smutgremlins as a domain to grind your axe about? If you don't want to link to Smutgremlins on your FS don't add my recip and don't submit to me. You talk about contradictions yet you are contradicting yourself with your last statement and if LOR and I trade links, again, what business is that of yours!

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Were they? Are you spying on me? Do you watch for every change that is made on Smutgremlins? WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT I DO ON MY DOMAINS?

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

If you signed up as a surfer, what did you hope to prove?
If you signed up under Smutgremlins as an affiliate, again what did you hope to prove.

I don't give a damn if you signed up under a banner on my domain or not. Either way you have no right to discuss what I do or do not do on my domain!
The fact that their are links to AFF on Smutgremlins is my business and they are there for a reason I am not going to discuss.

Gripe all you want to about AFF if you wish, That's your choice but DO NOT mention myself or my domain in your rants. I do not want to be involved in this discussion in this manner and if I wish to make a comment in this thread I will when it suits me! I have never posted in any threads regarding AFF and that's my personal choice and my business.

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.
Personally I don't give a shit if I did or not, I'd quite happily see the account denied after your comments above... Just for shits and giggles.

[Emerald]

and on another note ... Sorry to wildchyld for highjacking this thread .... what I do or dont do on MY Link List in not the subject of this thread...

Please go back to discussing why or why not you like aff

[Useless]

I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!Knowing that I'm not a fan of AFF, he hit me up and asked my opinion about an AFF ad on your site, presumably wondering if it was ok to promote them. Nothing nefarious, Emmy. D2222 doesn't mean any harm. He's just not a grand communicator. |virgohippy|
Session Start (344165348:D2222): Mon Aug 18 15:35:56 2008
[15:36] Useless Warrior: Ah, that's who you are. I was seeing only your ICQ number and had no idea who you were.
[15:36] D2222: :)
[15:36] D2222: hi
[15:37] Useless Warrior: Howdy
[15:37] D2222: really quick can i chit cat for sec?
[15:37] D2222: chat*
[15:37] Useless Warrior: certainly
[15:37] D2222: (Link: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?p=415604#post415604)http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?p=415604#post415604
[15:38] Useless Warrior: Yes?
[15:38] D2222: (Link: http://www.smutgremlins.com/)http://www.smutgremlins.com/
[15:38] Useless Warrior: LOL
[15:39] Useless Warrior: It's really one of those "to each their own" situations.
[15:39] D2222: yah i know
[15:39] Useless Warrior: I think everyone promoting AFF realized that they're getting fairly heavily skimmed and scandaled, but if you keep making money, it's all worth it in the end.
[15:40] Useless Warrior: I won't touch them anymore, but I hold grudges against sponsors.
[15:40] D2222: yah if you have great traffic then the skim is ok
[15:40] Useless Warrior: AFF was the biggest one holding hands with Zango
[15:40] Useless Warrior: exaclty. XXX Jay claims to make good money still with AFF.
[15:41] D2222: wow
[15:41] D2222: it all over jays member pages
[15:41] D2222: he gave me a pass over the weekend
[15:42] Useless Warrior: I'm one of those funny people who won't play games with sponsors who I know are screwing me.
[15:42] Useless Warrior: I prefer the ones who are better at covering it up.
[15:42] D2222: yah im with you on that one
[15:42] D2222: hehehe
[15:44] D2222: are you still accepting submitters for Whoring Wives?
[15:44] D2222: i signed under you @ *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* btw
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Not right now. It wouldn't be fair to my current submitters since my backlog increases every day.
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Hey! *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* is my best kept secret.
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Toby and I were discussing *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* this past weekend. :)
[15:45] D2222: i was surfing your site :)
[15:46] Useless Warrior: pervert
[15:46] D2222: thats how I found them
[15:46] Useless Warrior: Even though *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* content is obviously professional, it converts very well on amateur/wife/interracial traffic.
[15:47] Useless Warrior: I think *PAYSITE OMITTED* is the site that converts best for me with *PAYSITE OMITTED* coming second best.
[15:47] D2222: nice
[15:47] D2222: im not too good at the interracial niche
[15:49] Useless Warrior: I'm not very good at any niche in particular. Never have been.
[15:50] D2222: :)
[15:51] D2222: i gotta go and check the kid. i'll talk to you soon .
[15:51] Useless Warrior: Later
[15:52] D2222: thanks for lending the ear. I needed that
[15:52] Useless Warrior: We all need it now and then ;)
[15:53] D2222: have a good one
[15:53] Useless Warrior: You too
Session Close (D2222): Mon Aug 18 15:53:36 2008

[sue-fl]

Emerald is totally right, her LL has nothing to do with this post. |huh

I don't care what she does on her LL it's hers to do what ever she wants to. Without getting any attitude about it!

[Greenguy]

I'd also like to say that every time I see Emmy, which is rather often, I bash her by asking if she's still doing business with AFF :D

[LeRoy]

When did you EVER promote AFF through Smutgremlins? You have never been given any right to promote anything on my domain. If you choose to promote AFF on one of your FS, it is something your doing of your own choice and on your domain, NOT mine!
I am not a/your sponsor - Your recip table isnt "promoting" LL's - Its a token of appreciation from the submitter to the LL for the traffic.



Again, what has Smutgremlins got to do with your gripe at AFF and what gives you the right to select Smutgremlins as a domain to grind your axe about? If you don't want to link to Smutgremlins on your FS don't add my recip and don't submit to me. Your talk about contradictions yet you are contradicting yourself with your last statement and if LOR and I trade links, again, what business is that of yours!



I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!



Were they? Are you spying on me? Do you watch for every change that is made on Smutgremlins? WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT I DO ON MY DOMAINS?



If you signed up as a surfer, what did you hope to prove?
If you signed up under Smutgremlins as an affiliate, again what did you hope to prove.

I don't give a damn if you signed up under a banner on my domain or not. Either way you have no right to discuss what I do or do not do on my domain!
The fact that their are links to AFF on Smutgremlins is my business and they are there for a reason I am not going to discuss.

Gripe all you want to about AFF if you wish, That's your choice but DO NOT mention myself or my domain in your rants. I do not want to be involved in this discussion in this manner and if I wish to make a comment in this thread I will when it suits me! I have never posted in any threads regarding AFF and that's my personal choice and my business.


Personally I don't give a shit if I did or not, I'd quite happily see the account denied after your comments above... Just for shits and giggles.

You are absolutely correct Emerald. I apologize dearly for bringing this up. and yes it is your business and you do have the right to promote who you want. I will never dispute that.

I mentioned you and your domain because you are a trusted member here. While this board has repeatedly said that AFF is not trustworthy. I have always looked up to you and your site. I am not trying to bash you or throw you under the bus.

The reason I signed up at your site is because I want a 3rd chick to come around my home to please us.





I hope this will get to AFF and things will change and we all can make some good money.

[Greenguy]

...The reason I signed up at your site is because I want a 3rd chick to come around my home to please us...
I can't wait to hear what this means :D

[Useless]

The reason I signed up at your site is because I want a 3rd chick to come around my home to please us. I was right - you are a pervert! Does this mean you are trying to get a threeway going with Emmy, or are you using AFF to pull a threeway? Where's bluebrit? He needs to know that D2222 is making passes at his new wife. |whisper|

[WildChyld]

You are all perverts :P
Like you needed me to tell you that.

I can promise you this much. If anyone has problems with them while I am working here I'll do what I can to fix it. Thats all I can do.

I've worked with companies before that had some questionable shady past dealings. A certain bay area kinky site in particular and before I left I was able to make a few changes there that stuck including insuring the models safety through insurance, training & safety measures that didn't exist before I got there.

Who knows. Maybe I'll get frustrated and bail after a week. Maybe not. Either way you'll get the inside scoop. :P

[Bobc01]

Can yer kick LARS in the bollocks? or is that what keeps his ears apart.

[WildChyld]

i haven't even seen Lars.
I think they make him hang out in a very quiet room far, far away from me :)

[shunga]

Have you stopped the fake profile ads on the tube sites?

[Useless]

Have you stopped the fake profile ads on the tube sites?Of course not. Stolen content/copyright infringement means NOTHING to AFF.

[WildChyld]

I don't do ad buys but I have the ad list in front of me and I don't see anything like that. I work only with business development, affiliates & partners.

I know that they do buy on tube sites (mainly to counter sexsearch's buys) but the banners they all just look like the other friend finder banners. I hate the tube sites but let's face it, ff is a big massive business. They only care about the financial and legal sides of things, which is one of the reasons they wanted me on board, I am better at keeping people happy.

You should see how strict they are on what I can make creatives out of. It's super corporate in the way things are done. They are all about covering their asses.
AFF being corporate & doing business with people who kind of suck. Definitely.

AFF being not trustworthy? That I haven't seen any evidence of. Trust me I'm looking.

My job isn't to do day to day work on accounts but I can take them on if I choose to.
If anyone has accounts they want me to look into or SPECIFIC complaints they think will change my stance I'd be more than welcome to look into them. I can also take on an account if you'd just rather have it optimized better or want me to keep an eye on things for you. Just catch me at hpowers@ffn.com.

[shunga]

Not too long ago your fake profile ads were all over tubes. Now I see Fling ads, which might well be pulling the same geo targetting trick.

[Greenguy]

...I know that they do buy on tube sites (mainly to counter sexsearch's buys)...That's not a legit reason for buying ads on a site! And, if you're saying it is, that means that AFF would buy ads on CP, beasty & r4pe sites if Sex Search did first.

[LeRoy]

off topic but I will say that my previous post is uncalled for.

I apologize for lashing out about my thoughts on other members domains domain . I have no excuse :(

Emerald I hope you will find it your heart to forgive me |bow|

On another note. I will gladly fight the fight with you wildchild. Lets do this

PM me for any additional help that is needed :). With pay of course ;)

[WildChyld]

I'm not saying thats the decision I would have made Greenie.
Its just how often are at larger companies. They make decisions based upon the bottom line. You should see the insane amounts of money people make promoting AFF.

I must say that it is nice being able to go home at the end of the day and not care what happens at a company over the weekend. Usually I get so emotionally invested in the places that I work that it totally eats my brain even on my days off.

This weekend I played rockband2, worked on my novel & started looking into my nonprofit without even the slightest concern over work. That in itself is a first for me.

[MadCat]

Just because AFF is a larger company doesn't mean they have to completely abandon their morals or ethics -- I can point out many a larger corporation that will still have some idea of what's right and what's wrong.

The fake ads: grey area. Fake ads on tube sites: wrong. Anything that deals with essentially advertising on sites that have illegal content: wrong.

From the adult webmaster point of view that one seems fair. If AFF doesn't want to go that route, then I can't blame anyone for going off at them the way they have been in the past few years.

[Greenguy]

...You should see the insane amounts of money people make promoting AFF...So because other scumbags do it - that makes it ok?

YOU are too good to be associated with AFF. I feel really bad that you felt the need or had to take a job with them, because I know you are a good & decent person.

You're not going to solve any problems around here - AFF has chosen to do business in an uber greedy fashion & most of us think that's wrong.

[Greenguy]

You are the lipstick on the pig that is AFF.

Timely :)

[WildChyld]

ZOMG ... I don't wanna be lipstick :P

[Bobc01]

Wildchyld, if there's any good you can do, you could atleast cut don't on their spammers..
all-women-dates.com/mainindex.html

[BuZzZ]

cuttttttt the b

[WildChyld]

Bob.
All Im getting is a redirect.
If you have a piece of spam send it to me and I can have them banned.

[Bobc01]

I deleted it unfortunately but the same loser is spamming google groups if that's against the TOS...

groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.motorcycles.trailriding/browse_thread/thread/595bd55d33a5f250/4530413e73e74e3c

[WildChyld]

I'll take care of it :)

[Bobc01]

Thankyou WildChyld. :)

[Twiceshy]

WildChyld you have a PM :)

[Kinky]

spread the word that lars is gone and AFF is under the penthouse wing now lots and lots of people have no clue about that. unless i was mislead on that subject in which case get rid of lars. AFF was turned into an affiliate scheming site meant to inflate the worth for the sale of the site, you gotta fix that image or your job is fruitless.


stop "hand reviewing" profiles it isnt stopping the fake profiles and is taking away profiles from affiliates ( i hated seeing 10 pending members and only have 3 become actual free members becasue somebody decided my surfers are fake)

get rid of the stupid ratio numbers that piss everybody off with your PPS when they get switched to rev and lose tons of cash, and do it the smart way which is individually if accounts are not profitable, and pay people their fucking money BEFORE you switch them and steal money from them. (taking a loss now and then is business ethics 101)


get me some ad material where the biggest and most noticable part isnt your long huge url which causes me to lose my hard earned traffic to the type-iners (seriously people stop using banners with urls plastered all over them you are losing money and "branding" others sites for free, you dont like working for free do you???)

the most important thing you need to do ASAP is fix your system so that an e-mail address can be used to sign up for muliple accounts, it is set now so that you cant and it causes people who might want to signup a totally new profile to have to use the old one or get a new e-mail which they are way less likely to do especially with the enter your email to get your password again thingy, that takes sales away from the affiliate who sent them to the site last and gives it to either AFF or the old, old webmaster if it is a revshare account. AFF has been around so long that it gets repeat traffic and customers, the last affiliate to send the surfer should get credit no matter what and peole should be able to use one email address if they want a new profile (i have to make new addys myself to join AFF these days as a customer and it is so stupid to have it that way) i have a feeling this is a major, major problem that causes people to think they are being shaved, because in actuality lots of them are getting screwed.


you really should have an all in one pass so if you join one site you get access to all the sites for a bigger but affordable price, it would sell pretty good i would imagine


and also ease way up on the e-mails WTF are you guys thinking 8 e-mails already when i signed a new profile up 3 days ago???? you are scaring people away by mail bombing their inboxes :-(

[Bobc01]

I'll take care of it :)

That arsehole is still active so i take it you didn't take care of it.

I guess i must be dumb enough to think they would. :)

[MadCat]

AFF will always be AFF, no matter if someone with (admittedly) good intentions works there.

[WildChyld]

Actually I ended up quitting over it.

[Greenguy]

Actually I ended up quitting over it.

I've been waiting for you to come back over here & let everyone know that you saw the light |thumb

[WildChyld]

You know me. I can't sit by and watch anything illegal happen.
The amount of money someone brings in shouldn't have anything to do with how much abuse you tolerate in that account.

Back to wildchyld.com and working on my PhD it is ;)

[Preacher]

Actually I ended up quitting over it
Wow, good for you. I know it's not easy to walk away from nice money but you did the right thing. |thumb

[WildChyld]

If someone knows the key to make less moral and more money hungry I'm all ears ;)

[Bobc01]

Actually I ended up quitting over it.


I bet you had a big flow of dignity walking away from that vermin. :)

[Useless]

I bet she was fired.

[Bobc01]

I bet she was fired.


lol either way it's a promotion from that pile of shit.