Only Best Sex & Link-o-Rama

[Mr Spock]

Does anybody else submit to Only best sex - I got a rejection e-mail this morning with the following reason:

"We do not list sites with Link O Rama recip any more."

Anyone know what this is about?

[allaboutpussy]

yup. i got the same rejection email this morning..

[Maj. Stress]

The solution is simple. Decide which one you wish to submit to and replace the other site in your recip table. Personally, I don't submit to lists that tell me who I can and can not have in my recip table. ;)

[SheepGuy]

Wow! |badidea|
Fuck'em.

Actually, if they wanna play that way....

[hashbury]

They added my site on the 10th with the link o rama recip
Thats fucked up.

[Buncha]

I just got the same rejection email.

[Sergeyka]

LOR With new rules will scare away all submits LOL :)

[Mr Spock]

LOR With new rules will scare away all submits LOL :)

What new rules |crazy| coming up with an arbitrary rejection reason is more likely to achieve that.

[Cleo]

I only recently added Only best sex to my submit list. Looks like it is time to remove Only best sex from my submit list.

[LeRoy]

Yep. I did a search and he removed all my freesites :(

[papagmp]

Mine are still listed but I haven't tried submitting a new site since I got back from Vegas.

I'm still hoping it isn't true but with the quality and quantity of traffic that link-o-rama sends me compared to the traffic I get from onlybestsex - it's a no-brainer on which way to go.

Did I mention I HATE this kind of petty bullshit!

[Greenguy]

You know how many times I've thought about banning another link list like this? The biggest reason to not do a banning like this is because it really fucks up the submitter. Sure, I know the reason this is happening is because too many people are complaining that sites are being rejected because the onlybestsex recips are blind links, but fr fuck sakes! Just change the recip so that it's not blind (or not as blind) like everyone else has done.

Personally, I could give a flying fuck if onlybestsex links me or not (and yes, I do know the person that owns it) But think about the submitters - you're forcing them to choose sides & when that happens, no one wins.

Now if you're excuse me, I have to go inflate my head a bit more :D

[papagmp]

My reply!
Looks like I'm pulling links this week. (bad part is there are a good 30 sites in his fuckin cue that he hasn't even looked at yet)




Well go fuck yourself!

R. Reese
President,
Glass Mannequin Productions

> Hello papagmp,
>
> Your link:
>
> http://www.outlawamateurporn.com/free_sites/055/lesbian-girls-next-door/
>
> that was submitted on 2008-05-09 has been rejected
> for one of the following reasons:
>
> We do not list sites with Link O Rama recip any more.
>
> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
>
> Only Best Sex
>
>
>

[NY Jester]

Seems a bit of cutting off the nose despite the face...


as Greenie said, its the submitters who lose out. Cest la Vie

[papagmp]

Guess all I need now is a new (or old) hard working LL owner with a little integrity that can list about 130 decent freesites with a decent placement on the recip table in short order....

PM me if interested.

[papagmp]

Seems a bit of cutting off the nose despite the face...


as Greenie said, its the submitters who lose out. Cest la Vie

Somehow - I feel violated - so OBS can go fuck themselves and I'll find another partner for my ventures.

[hashbury]

As a freesite submitter it kinda feels like a slap in the face.
As a linklist owner i could almost understand the frustration, but how hard is it to list the site name in the recip you dont even need to link it.

papagmp i sent u a pm

[Licker4U]

Guess all I need now is a new (or old) hard working LL owner with a little integrity that can list about 130 decent freesites with a decent placement on the recip table in short order....

PM me if interested.

I'll take those 130 sites :D

[ladydesigner]

I've been submitting to Only Best Sex for a long time now BUT he's a ways down on my group of recips so I've never put their link on a page with LOR. So, while I'm sure my listed sites are fine, as a link list owner AND free site builder, this stinks and I'll be removing OBS from my submit list. |club|

[Useless]

My script has been set to automatically reject for several different link lists for a long, long time. One due to a stolen domain, another for stolen recip codes, and I think a few others - all had something or other to due with fucking over people in the link list/free site business. I even had a board member's site on that list, but removed it months ago since it was based on my distrust of the owner, not the link list itself and I eventually deemed it unfair to submitters. But I can say this with my head held high: I've never banned a link list that had traffic. :D

I'm sure Leon is just trying to turn submitters against the LOR and other link lists which don't accept OnlyBestSex's recips in their authored form. All is fair in love and porn. Frankly, I think he would have been far more clever if had demanded that submitters edit LOR's recip in some manner rather than outright banning the list itself. At least it would have been worth a giggle or two. But he is a mad pimpin', so who am I to judge?

[LD]

I don't give a fuck...:D

[Greenguy]

One of you pissed off submitters should go register onlybestsex1.com - then do a search & replace & change all the links.

On the index of the new domain, put up a list of free sites.

Ask other if they want to do the same & list some of their free sites on the index as well.

Aside from that, I'm turning this shit upsidedown on Aug 1st :D

[redraven]

Anyone have any idea why this is happening in the first place?

Both have been providing decent traffic, and I know there is the issue of the blind links on his standard recips (which I've changed on my sites in order to get my sites accepted everywhere else), but what's the deal?

Ultimately if I have to choose, then I'll go with LOR....

[NY Jester]

Aside from that, I'm turning this shit upsidedown on Aug 1st :D

Sounds ominous and rejuvenating at the same time. Thanks for the "warning". I'll make sure to hold on tight so my big ass dont go flying haha.

[LeRoy]

One of you pissed off submitters should go register onlybestsex1.com - then do a search & replace & change all the links.

On the index of the new domain, put up a list of free sites.

Ask other if they want to do the same & list some of their free sites on the index as well.

Aside from that, I'm turning this shit upsidedown on Aug 1st :D

I'm not pissed off. I'm with SheepGuy and Papa. I dont give a damn either. Fuck him because I tried to contact him via ICQ. Over a month ago but I'm on ignore.

I guess it's like that. I need to get back to removing some recips and one way's to him from my hub.

[Licker4U]

Aside from that, I'm turning this shit upsidedown on Aug 1st :D

I can see it now, three galleries of 10 images each....|jester|




|couch|

[papagmp]

It started when Greenie and others made an attempt to reduce the number of "blind links" on the recip tables. (as per his comment above). Most of us edited the recips so that the links were no longer blind - although onlybestsex seems to feel blind links are ok and never fixed their recips.

Then without warning - and with about 30 of my completed FS's in their cue - onlybestsex changed their policy and started declining FS's that have link-o-rama recips on them - with want I assume were hundreds of freesites still in the cue. some 20 to 30 of those were mine.

I have no problem with an LL having a rule - or even changing it - but don't change it in mid-stream.

[redraven]

lol. Yeah, blind links suck....

Of course the first couple of sites I submitted to LOR got rejected since I just blindly (no pun intended) copied and pasted the recip from OnlyBestSex..... I was looking everywhere on my site looking for the blind link after I got the rejection email and never thought that it was from the recip....

Doh!!

[papagmp]

lol. Yeah, blind links suck....

Of course the first couple of sites I submitted to LOR got rejected since I just blindly (no pun intended) copied and pasted the recip from OnlyBestSex..... I was looking everywhere on my site looking for the blind link after I got the rejection email and never thought that it was from the recip....

Doh!!

You're not the only one - but at least Greenie and Kit posted on the forums and we all knew what was going on and they both gave us ways to work around the issue. In this case - the owner of onlybestsex has been less than forthcoming.

[CrazySy]

You're not the only one - but at least Greenie and Kit posted on the forums and we all knew what was going on and they both gave us ways to work around the issue. In this case - the owner of onlybestsex has been less than forthcoming.That's the difference between a professional businessman and a dickhead. :D

[grundic]

You're not the only one - but at least Greenie and Kit posted on the forums and we all knew what was going on and they both gave us ways to work around the issue. In this case - the owner of onlybestsex has been less than forthcoming.

Why Greenie did not make list of all blind recips in that time?
Why it comes up only after several weeks/months?
He is pissing off submiters, changing rules every week.

I'm sure that there will be more such declains from him, seems like he enjoys it! He will wait while all submiters change their recip tables and then after some weeks will piss them again! |thumb

[smutguy]

Aside from that, I'm turning this shit upsidedown on Aug 1st :D

looking forward to it and have it written down in my calender

I agree with papagmp at least Greenie and Kit posted on the forums so everyone was in the loop about the sudden changes

[DangerDave]

Why Greenie did not make list of all blind recips in that time?
Why it comes up only after several weeks/months?
He is pissing off submiters, changing rules every week.

I'm sure that there will be more such declains from him, seems like he enjoys it! He will wait while all submiters change their recip tables and then after some weeks will piss them again! |thumb

Don't fucking blame GG for this mess.. or anyone else... It is entirely due to wanna be LinkLists looking to gain some advantage from YOUR free sites.

As has been said many times. A RECIP IS A RECIP! not a fucking blind link to help in an LL's bullshit SEO aims.

If Leon and others had just had recips like everyone else this problem would NEVER have arisen..

...But no... because of bullshit scams and those aiming to gain advantage thru deception and cross-linking BS! "We" have to be on the lookout continually for whoever is trying the next big trick...

As I have said many times.. these "keyword" recips do you no good.. they devalue YOUR page by making it a spammy entrance, and if you add mirrored entrances with the same bullshit.. then you are just shooting yourself in the foot..

DD

[Greenguy]

Why Greenie did not make list of all blind recips in that time?
Why it comes up only after several weeks/months?
He is pissing off submiters, changing rules every week...Please post what rules I've been changing & when I changed them. I'm sure everyone would like to know what you do, especially since I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Aug 1st.....from |badidea| to |thumb

[Useless]

Why Greenie did not make list of all blind recips in that time?
Why it comes up only after several weeks/months?I think he made his point very clear about what type of recips would be accepted and what he considered to be blind. One would have to be a stupid fuck to not know what type of recip would be declined all this time later - and it's not his job to hunt through every other lists' recip links and categorize each as either blind or not. It's pretty damn simple: the recip must have the name of the link list within it. How hard is that to understand?

[pc]

......Aug 1st.....from |badidea| to |thumb

One recip for all categories |bananna|

[Cleo]

......Aug 1st.....from |badidea| to |thumb
Free pizza with each submit...




|couch|

[papagmp]

Aug 1st.....from |badidea| to |thumb

His sister's visiting Colorado! |bananna||bananna|

[Sven800]

His sister's visiting Colorado! |bananna||bananna|

LOL - She must have broken some of his stuff and not be able to pay him back ;-)

[Licker4U]

LOL - She must have broken some of his stuff and not be able to pay him back ;-)

|haha

[Ramster]

Seems Leon is cleaning house I guess. He just dropped my link trade with him stating "my google placements are not as good as they were when the trade was set up".

Lame if you ask me. |bullshit|

[Greenguy]

One recip for all categories |bananna|You need to look thru the recips a little better - there's a "general" recip on there (as well as the images on page 2)

Seems Leon is cleaning house I guess. He just dropped my link trade with him stating "my google placements are not as good as they were when the trade was set up"....Maybe if you'd work a little more on improving your SEO skills Leon would not have to pull the links he has to your crappy sites |couch|

(yes, Leon is an ass)

[Pagan]

The Good link lists are always upfront with their rules. They have played by those rules for years and don't screw around with HONEST freesite builders. I have yet see one of the Good link lists say you have to have x Google rating to be listed. True, sometimes you only get to be showcased for a month or two, but.. everyone who can read and respect the few simple rules gets a shot at being listed.

LLs that have tons of unwritten rules, or change them faster than women change their panties won't ever have the respect of the builders OR the surfers. I don't care what a search engine says, it is the quality and integrity of the site that attracts the traffic. GG, Smutgremlins, Tommy's, Richard's Realm, DangerDaves.. have been around and are respected by visitor and builder alike because they play fair, and post their rules up front.

Jerk around with the freesite builders and you will get crappy sites for your list. The good builders won't put up with your temper tantrums.

[Emerald]

Dunno what he thinks he is accomplishing but i got the same lame email as you did Ramster - dropped our link trade because he doesnt like my google placement. I think Leon is just shooting himself in the foot.

Seems Leon is cleaning house I guess. He just dropped my link trade with him stating "my google placements are not as good as they were when the trade was set up".

Lame if you ask me. |bullshit|

[Greenguy]

Emerald & Ramster - can one of you start a thread about this? I have the feeling it'll get lost in the mess that is this thread & I'm sure others would like to know about their trading practices.

[tigermom]

One recip for all categories |bananna|

You can already do that, actually. LOR accepts sites with a single general recip :)

[Greenguy]

I wish I found this out last month, because I'd have added a "We do not list sites with adware.malware toolbars any more."

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?p=410043#post410043

Radar Man: Bad news, the fog's getting thicker...
Johnny: (Leaps in from nowhere) And Leon's getting LAAAAAAAAARRRRGEEEEEEERRRRRRRR

[DangerDave]

Radar Man: Bad news, the fog's getting thicker...
Johnny: (Leaps in from nowhere) And Leon's getting LAAAAAAAAARRRRGEEEEEEERRRRRRRR

Still makes me laugh out loud every time I hear it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo_dnfOaEX0

[spacemanspiff]

Stop calling me Shirley. :D

[Greenguy]

Stop calling me Shirley. :DWhile I love all the gags in that movie, Johnny was by far the best part.

"Tell me everything that's happened so far, Johnny."

"Well, first the Earth cooled, then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they died and turned to oil. And then the Arabs started buying Mercedes Benzes. And then Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes, I couldn't believe it..."

[LD]

I don't think there's ever been a movie that gave me so many belly laughs as that one..

Elaine Dickinson: You got a letter from headquarters this morning.
Ted Striker: What is it?
Elaine Dickinson: It's a big building where generals meet, but that's not important.

[bDok]

"picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue." :) classic

[borgivan]

Radar Man: Bad news, the fog's getting thicker...
Johnny: (Leaps in from nowhere) And Leon's getting LAAAAAAAAARRRRGEEEEEEERRRRRRRR

Could you tell me, what films these cuts from? (I'm not competent in foreign movies :( )

P.S. Funny :)

[Simon]

borgivan ... I don't know where you were 28 years ago, but you should have been watching Airplane (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/).

(more quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/quotes))



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[borgivan]

borgivan ... I don't know where you were 28 years ago, but you should have been watching Airplane

Heard frequently about this film, but never seen... I think it is "your" classic of movies like ours "fortune irony" or so :)

[Licker4U]

A submitter told me they were removing OBS's recip link from their tables and adding mine in it's place. I'm not asking anyone to remove any recips, but if you do and want to put mine there I'll take all the sites you want to submit to Best Wet Pussy (http://www.best-wet-pussy.com), Girls That Squirt (http://www.girls-that-squirt.com) and Hairy Pussy Links (http://www.hairy-pussy-links.com) Yeah, yeah, I'm a whore.... |pimpin :D

[Greenguy]

wow

[Sven800]

Someone seems to be doing their best to kill their own sites...

[borgivan]

And if to be serious, situation is very bad. OBS is one of the top LL's in my list. And as for me, now I don't want to choose between LOR and OBS, I want to submit to both! Greenie, what recip are you going to consider "blind" or "bullshit" next? What rule will crack brains of posters?

"If boss says he has a new good idea, it means that someone will fuck around with headache all the day" (c)

P.S. Greenie, do you invent new rules after a hard drink, marijuana or LSD? I can't understand, why every new rule is called "bullshit", "another greenie's marasmus", "let he kill himself with his fucken LL" on master-x...I have never heard something like that : "hm.. may be he is right" or "great idea" or "let's try... it's interesting" ! It is mistery for me now! Help me to understand! :)

P.S. P.S Peace to all :)

[spacemanspiff]

Yeah, what he said |angry|



Uhhhh.....what'd he say? |huh

[SheepGuy]

[QUOTE=borgivan;411105

"If boss says he has a new good idea, it means that someone will fuck around with headache all the day" (c)

[/QUOTE]

You're looking at LL owners as "boss". That's not true, it's the submitters choice who they want to deal with, and it is also the LL owner's choice who they want to deal with, nobody is "boss".
What I like most about this business is the lack of bosses. Call it anarchism or free choice, whatever, I like it like that.

[Useless]

Greenie, what recip are you going to consider "blind" or "bullshit" next? What rule will crack brains of posters?In all due fairness, whether I agree with GG on his blind recip policy or not, I think it's very much self-explanatory. I'm amazed to see how many regular submitters still don't quite understand that all you need is the link list's name in the recip.

You should be bitching at Leon. He's the one telling you that you can't submit to his list if you submit to the LOR. It's Leon's list and it's his right to do as he see fits with it -- don't blame anyone else on his decisions.

|peace|

[Greenguy]

borgivan - I can make it easy on you by banning your domains from submitting to my link lists if you want. You're lucky I didn't do it already based on the suicide remark, but I re-read your post & realized you were quoting someone from master-x & the comment towards me did not come from you personally.

Pick onlybestsex for all I care. Did you read this one?

I wish I found this out last month, because I'd have added a "We do not list sites with adware.malware toolbars any more."

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?p=410043#post410043...Yeah, that's who I want to be associated with |thumb

As far as these "new rules" I keep hearing about, let me ask you the same question I asked grundic:
Please post what rules I've been changing & when I changed them. I'm sure everyone would like to know what you do, especially since I have no idea what you're talking about...

Just cross me off your submit list & all your problems will go away |flyaway|

[DangerDave]

Just cross me off your submit list & all your problems will go away |flyaway|

.... or stop reading master-x

DD

[Greenguy]

...or realize that Only Best Sex has fucked everyone by pulling link trades & having surfers install a malware toolbar & align yourself with honest link list & free site webmasters.

[borgivan]

To SheepGuy: You don't like the word "Boss", Ok, Let it be "LL owner" or everything you want. To choose between different LLs is a real headache, especially if you have to choose because of the owner's innovations.

To Useless Warrior: Why should I "be bitching at Leon"? I just tell what I see. And what I see? Approximate content of the thread about LL news at master-x:

Smb: Bla Bla form dont work ! What is it?
Bla bla owner: Ok, fixed!

Smb: Bla bla bla form closed?
Bla bla bla owner: Yes, some problems, we will open soon.

Smb: GG began to decline for OBS recips.
Smb: Fucken shit, he is still alive?
Smb: Heh.. somebody is still posting to him?
OBS owner: We will now decline FS with LOR recip.
Smb: Real man! Do that way! Lets start thread "LLs who are ready to decline for LOR recips"!

And so on! I see two types of problem: Something dont work and Greenie. I dont know how he could become so hated, but it is so. And who is Leon? I heard his name only now. Why should I "be bitching at Leon"? :)

To Greenie: "We do not list sites with adware.malware toolbars any more." - what do you mean? I can't understand. OBS and this shit, what is common ?
"Just cross me off your submit list & all your problems will go away" - LOR is unique LL, if I get listed here - it is still the guarantee that all rules are realized at my FS and EVERYBODY will list it, too. And of course great traffic :) And of course I can't agree with some webmasters, who want to see you dead :)

To DangerDave: Sorry I can't :) Russian is closer to me than English, I think you all see it by my "poor English", BTW sorry please, I try to increase it much! :(

[Pagan]

It isn't as much hate war between *any* link list owners and OBS -- it is a protest over one website's practice of trickery. Do you want to have anything at all to do with sites that install adware or malware? If you build a nice, clean site, do you want to send any traffic at all to a website that is dishonest?

Over the years, sites like GG have set down standards that have really improved and cleaned up the pornsites. Back in the early days, it was nothing to have a website with about 10 pictures and 100 ads. Visitors had no clue what they were clicking on because blind links were the norm. We had few standards, if any. And the visitors paid through the nose for it.

LL Owners are not bosses -- not in any way. If you don't like the rules on one site, your visitors probably are going to like the sites that are listed there either. Their visitors have come to expect a certain quality of site. If you don't want to build a site they will list, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I view the LL Owners as partners, not bosses. If I build something they like, they list. Do I get listed everywhere I submit? No, but I am improving AND my visitors have a nice clean website that has no tricks or traps.

Maybe an illustration will help. You buy a certain brand of .. soup .. because you like it and you always know it will be good. Maybe there are a couple of flavors the manufacturer makes and you try and like, but when you want soup, you always come back to that brand. It's reliable and always pleases. To help it sell better, the manfacturer pays small stores to offer their visitors samples.

Now, here comes another soupmaker -- "I have great soup too!" It looks pretty good, and it tastes pretty good... until you really look at it. You have a bowl and an hour later, you are so sick because that bowl of soup wasn't properly made. You are down with food poisoning, and so is everyone who tasted that soup. (Or... those are not bits of meat in your soup, they are fecal matter.. you get the idea.. you were tricked into eating something that made you sick)

Now, what soup are you going to buy? Don't you wish someone had warned you about the other brand?

When we were kids, powdered coffee creamer had just come out and it was rather expensive -- much more than simple milk. We kids got my dad to stop using this stuff rather quickly by replacing all or part of his special creamer with a powdered laxative. About 2 weeks of this and he never bought it again. Milk did just fine for him.

[Greenguy]

borgivan - I have not changed any of my rules in a long time. They are pretty much the same as they have been for the last year or so. Now, if some sites did get listed with blind links on them, then that's the fault of me and my reviewers. But now, we are catching the blind links & rejected the sites that have them. If anything, I'm enforcing my rule more & if you want to complain about that, go right ahead. But don't LIE and say that I'm changing my rules when I'm not.

Now, as far as Leon & Only Best Sex, HE is the one telling submitters that HE will not list submits to HIS link list if they have my recip on them. It's HIS site & HE makes the rules. You would have to ask HIM why HE has put this new rule in place, as I have no control over HIS link list.

Also, if you read this thread about how Leon is pulling trades (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=47967), you'll see this post:
...Seems about a month ago, OnlyBestSex.com got labeled as adware/malware due to toolbar.

You can read more at these links:
http://www.emsisoft.com/en/malware/?Adware.Win32.Only+Best+Sex+Toolbar
http://research.sunbelt-software.com/threatdisplay.aspx?name=Adware.WinThirtyTwo&threatid=164757...

So maybe you & your friends over on master-x can ask Leon why:
1 - he keeps changing his rules
2 - he pulled a lot of link trades
3 - his domain has been blacklisted by many malware programs

Leon does have 500+ posts on this board, but he's obviously chosen to not answer any of these questions in this forum, so maybe you can convince him to reply on master-x & then translate his reply for us :)

[Useless]

And who is Leon? I heard his name only now. Why should I "be bitching at Leon"? :)Leon owns OnlyBestSex. Shark is his reviewer. Those are their names here on GG&Jim. Shark is known on Master-X as Sharkmaster. I don't know if Leon posts there.

I can understand that submitters are angry at GG for his blind recip rule. After all, he made the rule. I'm not sure how many link list owners cared or even noticed that so many other link lists were dropping their names from their recips. (My list's name was missing for a long time as well.) Certainly, no one else said anything until GG did. But his recip rule is based on a long-running concept of what is or isn't blind, so it's difficult to argue with. That rule doesn't apply at my lists, so I really don't have to give it much consideration. ;) But I also don't care how a submitter links to me, so if they need to edit my recip so that only reads, "Useless is a cunt," that's fine with me.

But I don't understand why some people seem to be angry at GG for OnlyBestSex's new rule against submitting to GG. They are the ones who will reject your free site if you put their link list's name in their recip. They are the ones who will reject your site if it has GG's recip. That's why I say, bitch at Leon - or if he's hiding, bitch at Sharkmaster.

I'd love to ask them if they really think that they are going to kill the LOR by doing that. Such a practice could harm a new, smaller list, but not a large one. On a slippery slope: if this keeps happening, it could create a situation where link list owners choose sides, create alliances and ban big groups of recips, leaving submitters left to decide which set of link lists they want to submit to. That would be ugly.

[Greenguy]

Actually, you can all blame Kit for the Blind Recip Rule. He's the one that has just the word "porn" listed as one of the text recips submitters should use.

[Useless]

Aside from that, I'm turning this shit upsidedown on Aug 1st :DAccording to my calendar, shit's about to go upside-down.
|skyfall|

[Greenguy]

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=48260

|thumb |batman