What Can Change On A Listed Free Site?

[horney]

Being a noob, I haven't done many sites yet. But it is true to say I can see a lot I could improve in the first half a dozen or so, even though they were listed with some of the bigger lists. Then there are the errors which don't become visible until later, even with an otherwise pleasing site.

Is it OK to change a site title? Or is that absolutely taboo?

Descriptions and other wording on the site?

Replace banner links with text links or vice-versa? (linked to the same place, of course)

Swap sponsor banners for more suitable ones? (ditto)

There is one free site which is already listed with every list which has checked it so far. I asked another list owner to look at some of my sites, including that one, to see if he'd let me submit to his and he pointed out a couple of self-made banners which could be mistaken for thumbs acting as links to the galleries. Hey, I only clicked on one instead of the gallery link myself today! Am I right in thinking it's OK to just go and put something like that right without telling anybody?

List owners, what have you seen done which is absolutely a no-no?

[pc]

not recommended

[plateman]

dont change the content unless it matches the listed text anchor of the listings on LL.s

you can reword the title on the free site, but again it should match close to what is listed

you can reword text links and replace banners and such as long as it still follows the rules

just dont be a asshole and replace legit text links with blind ones or try any tricks, cause your gonna get caught

[secretagentwilly]

I would just rebuild another freesite and move on...look forward and improve with what you learn...If you're in it for the long haul, you're going to build a ton of freesites...and after you've done 200 sites, you're going to look back at your first and say, man, that one was a peice of shit, how did it ever get accepted? If it's accepted now, leave it alone and move on...however, I've made changes when I get feedback from LL owners and haven't had problems, but it didn't have anything to do with changing content just like blind links and stuff that I didn't realize were unacceptable when I made them...

[RageCash-Ben]

Absolutely nothing.

[LD]

I've done some minor formatting changes and fixed obvious errors like misspellings. Beyond that, I don't mess with it.

[hashbury]

Same as Luscious
i dont fuck with anything unless i have to.

[Useless]

Absolutely nothing.Hogwash!

Plateman summed it up. Stay within the rules and you can pretty much change anything except the title. I've swapped out a listed free sites content before. It's a pain in the balls to find content that will match the action, and possibly hair color, that has been described by the link lists that listed the site, but it can be done. Pay sites disappear and so do entire programs. You aren't expected to maintain a bunch of free sites that promote a dead or cheating sponsor.

[SheepGuy]

I usually use my own content so I can switch sponsors whenever one pisses me off.

[horney]

Thanks, everyone. Some really helpful stuff in there. I'll start by getting that misleading which is the gallery which is the sponsor stuff sorted out, I think.

[RageCash-Ben]

Hogwash!

Plateman summed it up. Stay within the rules and you can pretty much change anything except the title. I've swapped out a listed free sites content before. It's a pain in the balls to find content that will match the action, and possibly hair color, that has been described by the link lists that listed the site, but it can be done. Pay sites disappear and so do entire programs. You aren't expected to maintain a bunch of free sites that promote a dead or cheating sponsor.

I prefer to encourage newbies to not change anything personally. If they think it is ok to change content,banners etc for a free site they may think it is ok to do for a tgp gallery which it most definitely isn't. For time spent fiddling around matching content etc you are far better off building another free site.

[LeRoy]

Absolutely nothing.

I didn't know you had an LL. Give me the URL so I can submit to you :)

I'll make a Rage Cash freesite :)

[horndog]

I usually don't try to change anything on a site that got listed. If it gets listed, good just start working on you next site. But like said early in this thread if your sponser goes under that would be a situation where you would need to change some things on the site.

[Useless]

I prefer to encourage newbies to not change anything personally.But that's not what you said. You replied, "Absolutely nothing." That tells the newbie that they aren't allowed to change anything, which is bullshit from the standpoint of most link list owners. Be more clear in your responses or stick to copying threads from other boards.

[RageCash-Ben]

wow thanks for the insults

[LeRoy]

I read that before you edited it Rage Cash Ben;)

[RageCash-Ben]

I read that before you edited it Rage Cash Ben;)

|jester|

[LeRoy]

|jester|

Maybe you are just a fucking idiot.

[RageCash-Ben]

Maybe you are just a fucking idiot.


Yeah maybe but personally I don't think so.

[LeRoy]

Yeah maybe but personally I don't think so.


Yah keep back pedaling and don't forget to pump the brakes too |asshole|

[RageCash-Ben]

Yah keep back pedaling and don't forget to pump the brakes too |asshole|


Hey wtf is your problem.

[Greenguy]

For fuck sakes will you 2 knock it off before I have to do some reminding?

[LeRoy]

For fuck sakes will you 2 knock it off before I have to do some reminding?

Sorry Greenie . You know me as happy go lucky smile all the time kind of guy.

Not many things get under my skin. I used to be a "Door to Door" Salesman. So I have pretty thick skin.

I just so happened to read his post before he edited it. It completely rubbed me the wrong way. Especially coming from a non-LL-owner and an affiliate manager.

Affiliate managers saying things like that to affiliates and getting paid for it amazes me.

Is that a way to build a long term relationship ??|badidea|

Hey Ben, Since I was the the only one who read it. You can post your apology to me here and we can move on. I'm easy

[Greenguy]

...Hey Ben, Since I was the the only one who read it. You can post your apology to me here and we can move on. I'm easyI don't know (nor can I tell) what was posted, but he obviously removed it within the 5 min he's alloted & he didn't remove it because he knew you (or anyone else) read it so you have to treat it as if it never happened.

[hashbury]

he obviously removed it within the 5 min he's alloted & he didn't remove it because he knew you (or anyone else) read it so you have to treat it as if it never happened.

Is this a rule or just common Etiquette (had to look that word up)

Ive seen a lot of post by d2222 and never have i seem him so mad. It looks like ben wrote something that might be a lil hard to treat as it never happened, Although sometimes it is best to look the other way.
Just my third person point of view.

[LeRoy]

Ok it never happened :)

[NY Jester]

Im assuming that it came from a reply to UW's post in regards to what was said to him..thats what Im gathering.I know both D2222 ad Ben and I never have seen either one that adiment..I hope you guys can patch it up and move on. Would be a shame to have something like a simple qustion thread wreak havoc for too long.

[horndog]

I don't know what rage cash ben said or who it was directed to since I didn't read it before he edited it but when I posted on this thread yesterday I was just giving my two cents on listed free sites. Basically, I have been going by the idea that if your site gets listed why change anything on it. I personally haven't changed anything on my listed sites for fear that maybe altering things would cause the site to be pulled off the linklist. Woudn't it be better to just let it sit and collect hits. But something Useless said got me thinking that if programs and pay sites disappear and you have a bunch of old sites floating out there with some of those sponsers on them then that would be a situation where I would go back and alter things on the site like banners and maybe content. Or else you would have a bunch of old sites floating around out that for nothing. But since I'm still pretty new to the business I haven't had that experince yet so I don't change anything on a listed site. Maybe I'm wrong but thats just my opinion.

[LD]

I don't know what rage cash ben said or who it was directed to since I didn't read it before he edited it but when I posted on this thread yesterday I was just giving my two cents on listed free sites. Basically, I have been going by the idea that if your site gets listed why change anything on it. I personally haven't changed anything on my listed sites for fear that maybe altering things would cause the site to be pulled off the linklist. Woudn't it be better to just let it sit and collect hits. But something Useless said got me thinking that if programs and pay sites disappear and you have a bunch of old sites floating out there with some of those sponsers on them then that would be a situation where I would go back and alter things on the site like banners and maybe content. Or else you would have a bunch of old sites floating around out that for nothing. But since I'm still pretty new to the business I haven't had that experince yet so I don't change anything on a listed site. Maybe I'm wrong but thats just my opinion.


Yeah, good point... sometimes sponsors get dropped, and sometimes sponsors drop affiliates, and if you got sites out there....

[HarryM]

For those who think you shouldn't change anything on a listed site, what happens when the sponsor you used:


Removes the pay site and the free content that you used from their program
Dosn't pay their webmasters
Adds a rape fantasy site, or other type of site that you don't agree with to their portfolio
Goes belly up and dissapears


Should we not change anything?

Also what if someone wants to make positive changes? When I first started building sites I had limited knowledge of html and design, so I still have these ugly sites from years ago hanging around, for a webmaster in 2008 they are an embarrasment.

I'll be changing them but not making any negative changes.

[Licker4U]

For those who think you shouldn't change anything on a listed site, what happens when the sponsor you used:


Removes the pay site and the free content that you used from their program
Dosn't pay their webmasters
Adds a rape fantasy site, or other type of site that you don't agree with to their portfolio
Goes belly up and dissapears


Should we not change anything?

Also what if someone wants to make positive changes? When I first started building sites I had limited knowledge of html and design, so I still have these ugly sites from years ago hanging around, for a webmaster in 2008 they are an embarrasment.

I'll be changing them but not making any negative changes.

If any of that happened to me I'ld just be fucked. There's no way in hell I'm gonna be able to go back and find a small handfull of sites to make changes to. If I were able to, I would, but I can't. From Sept. '06 to Sept. '07 I built around 200 sites, with 9 mirrors, that's 2,000 sites. I've slacked off a little since then but it wouldn't be cost effective to spend the time trying to find the sites to change. Build and forget. Just my .02

[LD]

If any of that happened to me I'ld just be fucked. There's no way in hell I'm gonna be able to go back and find a small handfull of sites to make changes to. If I were able to, I would, but I can't. From Sept. '06 to Sept. '07 I built around 200 sites, with 9 mirrors, that's 2,000 sites. I've slacked off a little since then but it wouldn't be cost effective to spend the time trying to find the sites to change. Build and forget. Just my .02

I've started recently trying to keep track of my sites by sponsor so can at least find a site promoting a given sponsor. Whether it's worth changing or not, I don't know..I would just have to cross that bridge when I got there. If I did, I would probably make a post here at the least so no one would think I was trying to pull off something sneaky.

[NY Jester]

I think if worse came to worse and the Sponsor totally left the biz, etc..I think the only way to feesibly change things is to ask the LL owners to remove the links should they still be up and viewable. Much like many did with Teela's sites several weeks ago.

[Twiceshy]

If any of that happened to me I'ld just be fucked. There's no way in hell I'm gonna be able to go back and find a small handfull of sites to make changes to. If I were able to, I would, but I can't. From Sept. '06 to Sept. '07 I built around 200 sites, with 9 mirrors, that's 2,000 sites. I've slacked off a little since then but it wouldn't be cost effective to spend the time trying to find the sites to change. Build and forget. Just my .02

I Find that keeping a spread sheet of what free sites i have done and what sponsors i have used makes things much easier when for one reason or another you need to swap out the sponsors :) Just makes my life alot easier :)

[GonZo]

I Find that keeping a spread sheet of what free sites i have done and what sponsors i have used makes things much easier when for one reason or another you need to swap out the sponsors :) Just makes my life alot easier :)

Useful tip!|thumb

[papagmp]

Maintained a spreadsheet since day one - wish I had done it in a database cuz it's getting a bit too large to be handy.

Only sponsor I've ever promoted is me so if I go belly-up, guess I'm really screwed.

I did read somewhere that at least one LL uses a script like some of the TGP's to check for changes but I can't remember or find where that was.

I have made changes to FS's when I had to - (like the ones I'm doing fixing that were submitted to "Richards Ream". Or one that the CSS was screwed up in IE.

I've even added a few more recips to some of my early ones.

[koalaTalex]

I have kept a spreadsheet from day one and archive them when they get too long. I know all the links I have out there, what sponsor/site it is for and the date I submitted it.

I build, submit and forget. If I get declined because of easy to fix issues I make those changes. Otherwise, they just sit out there and the new sites get better with experience and practice.

When you are submitting a site a day six days a week there is very little time to go back and fix old free sites anyways.