Jay's xxx Links recips help

[koalaTalex]

I just submitted a free site to Whoring Wives and the script declined it for having Jay's Snizzshare recip:

Error message:
SNIZZSHARE is NOT a link list. It's a tube site and you should NOT be supporting it.

As a submitter the constant battle between link lists is a bit much. I just adjusted my recip tables because of two LL disagreeing and here we are again... is there a solution that Useless & Jay can agree on here?

I would just change Jay's recips but then he'll decline me.

Here's the freesite:
http://www.nudeporngalleries.com/porno/shemale_shockers/sex/

Anyone's help/advice with this is greatly appreciated.

[Jim]

The only answer I can think of is to pick which site makes more money for you and don't submit to the other.

I don't think there will be a solution for a long time, if ever.

[LeRoy]

Tube sites are for the benefit of program owners and not affiliates. If there was a way to add some banner in the users profile with a refcode. Then there would be an opportunity for an affiliate to make some dough at the tube game.If your a program owner you make money there. But as an affiliate this biz model will be a thorne in your side.

[robcio]

koalaTalex: can't you put some of these recips in other mirror of your FS?

Greetings

[Tommy]

That sucks
I would take that site off your submit list

submitters shouldn't be caught up in this personal BS

you cant decline a submit because you don't like one of the other LLs or whatever they are linking to

we are supposed to be professionals not little school kids

[Tommy]

I added the site to my Que for the next update on Trannys

but ya gotta promise me to leave the link for the tube site

[DangerDave]

you cant decline a submit because you don't like one of the other LLs or whatever they are linking to


Oh yes you can and we have done it for years...


Recip tables are for recips, not for promotion of sponsors, sponsor based sites, or other crap..

Tommy if I just put "recips" to 12 different FPA's would you still list the site?

DD

[Useless]

I just submitted a free site to Whoring Wives and the script declined it for having Jay's Snizzshare recip:

Error message:
SNIZZSHARE is NOT a link list. It's a tube site and you should NOT be supporting it.

As a submitter the constant battle between link lists is a bit much. I just adjusted my recip tables because of two LL disagreeing and here we are again... is there a solution that Useless & Jay can agree on here?

I would just change Jay's recips but then he'll decline me.

Here's the freesite:
http://www.nudeporngalleries.com/porno/shemale_shockers/sex/

Anyone's help/advice with this is greatly appreciated.Don't worry about it. I'll remove your submitter accounts at Whoring and Perve in the morning and you can keep submitting to SnizzShare. Oh, that's right - you can't submit there, can you? I'm more than happy to be the asshole on this one. I really couldn't care less.

Honestly koalat, if you were really interested in finding a solution to a problem you had with one of my sites, all you needed to do was PM or email me. I'm done.

[Greenguy]

... and you can keep submitting to SnizzShare. Oh, that's right - you can't submit there, can you?...Why the fuck would you put up a recip to a site that does not even take free site submissions? It's just fucking stupid. Throw a link to The Hun & AL4A on there while your at it.

Hell - find 16 sites that don't list Free Sites & put all those recips on there - this way, you'll save yourself all that time you would have spent submitting sites.

[plateman]

I don't dislike jay but he sometimes pushes it to far imo with the way he does stuff

when I first saw those recips on free sites, I said to myself, let him get backlinks another way to his tube site....

I also reviewed a free site the other day that was promoting oc cash and the 2257 page was loaded with links

don't let no one kid you, free sites do have value, just not as much from years ago

[Tommy]

no offense but this arrogant attitude from tgp owners and LL owners has always bothered me

(and it is arrogance)

I mean who the hell do you think you are to tell somebody they cant link to a tube site on their OWN site


Dave we arent talking about 12 fpas
we are talking about 1 recip to a tube site

[Useless]

no offense but this arrogant attitude from tgp owners and LL owners has always bothered me

(and it is arrogance)

I mean who the hell do you think you are to tell somebody they cant link to a tube site on their OWN site


Dave we arent talking about 12 fpas
we are talking about 1 recip to a tube siteI'm not telling anyone that they can't link to whatever they wish to. I'm telling them that I'm not listing them. Who the hell do you think you are to tell me how I should or shouldn't run MY SITES? I don't charge my submitters and I list their links for life. If they don't like my very lenient rules, then they can go screw.

For anyone else who doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about - this rule has nothing to do with what you may think is based on bad blood between me and Jay (which is nothing more than typical board drama). I met the man this past weekend in Vegas and COMPLIMENTED him on SnizzShare (http://www.snizzshare.com) and how he runs it. If you don't understand my POV on this, then you don't know the definition of the word reciprocal.

My script scans for several link list URLs, all blocked for varying reasons. The link to Jay's link list is NOT blocked.

To my recollection, I have never forced anyone to submit to me. I'm fairly certain that it's still a voluntary contribution.

[koalaTalex]

Thank you everyone for your input and suggestions. sigh... honestly my intention was to get an answer not create drama. I will have to think about this and try to make the best decision.

This is getting harder all the time (LL recip conflicts) and I am still naive thinking that we can brainstorm on the board to come up with resolutions.

At the least I was hoping that Jay would come in here and tell me it's okay to manually edit his recips. I really wasn't expecting Useless to cancel my submit accounts.

Thanks again Tommy, DD, Jim & Greenie for trying to help me sort this out.

[LeRoy]

I thought Google penalizes you for selling links. Tommy did something right with Google. He's #1 in a bunch of places. Being #2 in some places might be the penalty. I would have more recips from Jay but I am having trouble getting listed so I had to go else where for love. Thanks UW . It sucks cuz I dig XXXjay and his linklist.

[Tommy]

First of all I didnt know Whoring Wives was yours


I don't charge my submitters


hmmmm ........|catfight|


My script scans for several link list URLs, all blocked for varying reasons. The link to Jay's link list is NOT blocked.


but you purposly blocked Snizzshare ??
I am not doing this to stick up for Jay I have never even said two words to him

I am sorry but this is highschool bullshit
if you wanna submit to me you better do this and that.....
I hope it makes you feel real important

[Useless]

I am sorry but this is highschool bullshit
No, this is just bullshit. If people want to put me on the defensive, they shan't expect me to lay back with my mouth shut. No matter who owns what, they have the right to create whatever rules and filtering mechanisms they wish, no matter if the old elites agree or not.
if you wanna submit to me you better do this and that..... When did you stop having rules? I didn't realize that you listed everything that was submitted to you. If I knew that, I would have submitted to you more often.I hope it makes you feel real importantNow that IS high school bullshit.

The few people who know me here know that the last thing I want is confrontation. I tend to argue on the board more than others because I'm the kind of person who feels strongly about things and have the ability to spar with words. That doesn't mean that I enjoy this kind of crap.

[Useless]

At the least I was hoping that Jay would come in here and tell me it's okay to manually edit his recips. I really wasn't expecting Useless to cancel my submit accounts.I haven't canceled your accounts. You should have received an acceptance email this morning from WW for a link you submitted while I was in Vegas. But I am more than willing to do so if you can't figure out how to handle this situation and it would serve to ease your decision. You won't hear me telling you not to submit to Jay and you'd be a fucking fool to choose me over him. But I've never asked anyone to group my recip with the big guys. I don't care who I'm grouped with as long as it's not the small group of lists that are automatically blocked by the script. BTW, most sites on that blocked list are there because the owners are known cheaters or have stopped accepting submissions. (I'll never understand why people continue using the recip of a link list that doesn't accept submissions.)

And what do expect Jay to say expect other than "fuck Useless"?

[Tommy]

of course you have the right to create any rules and filtering thingys

but my point is, its gone to far
Its hard to believe you cant see that
and ....its not just you

[Greenguy]

Tommy - let me ask you this:

If you built a Free Site or Gallery that you were going to submit, would you put a recip up to a site that you are NOT going to submit to? (excluding sites that you personaly own)

If you say YES, why would you put up a recip to a site that you're not submitting to?

If you say NO, then hopefully you're geting the idea on this problem.

[Tommy]

Tommy - let me ask you this:

If you built a Free Site or Gallery that you were going to submit, would you put a recip up to a site that you are NOT going to submit to? (excluding sites that you personaly own)

If you say YES, why would you put up a recip to a site that you're not submitting to?

If you say NO, then hopefully you're geting the idea on this problem.

Greenie - let me ask you this:

is it anybodys buisness that he linked to a tube site

If you say YES, your wrong
If you say NO, then hopefully you're geting the idea on this problem.

he linked to it cause he wanted to..... end of story :D

[Greenguy]

It's my business when he submits the site to me.

Let me take a different approach - the one where many Link Lists think that Tube Sites should not be supported:
Would it be OK with you if he linked to a white supremacy site? How about a site with stories of inc*st molestation? Or a site that teaches you how to make a dirty bomb?

All 4 are legal, but I don't want to support any of them by linking to a site that does.

[DangerDave]

Dave we arent talking about 12 fpas
we are talking about 1 recip to a tube site

Tommy all I did was take the analogy a bit further... because as usual these things grow and grow once one person starts a 'trend'.

So would you list a site that had a 12 recip table, and one recip went to you and 11 went to FPAs?

DD

[ladydesigner]

This is an easy one for me.

When Jay first changed his recips, I said "WTF?!" and made a decision to not submit to him anymore even though he always listed my sites and sent mad traffic. Because I take this business seriously and do NOT support sites like Snizzshare I simply added another link list in the place of Jay's. Nothing personal - just business.

[koalat]

I'll never understand why people continue using the recip of a link list that doesn't accept submissions.

I can't speak for others, but for myself it's simply because it's part of his rules (http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/submit_categories.html) . Since he sends good traffic I continue to submit to him.

And what do expect Jay to say expect other than "fuck Useless"?

Discussion might be nice…

Is anyone else going to decline for this?

I am not a fan of adult tube sites because I think that they are counter-productive to the whole affiliate-sponsor relationship, but that's another story altogether.

[neticule]

i cant wait till jay decides to start his own tube site, thatll be the day...

[Greenguy]

i cant wait till jay decides to start his own tube site, thatll be the day...

PLEASE tell me you're joking.

[koalaTalex]

I haven't canceled your accounts. You should have received an acceptance email this morning from WW for a link you submitted while I was in Vegas. But I am more than willing to do so if you can't figure out how to handle this situation and it would serve to ease your decision.

Useless I would really like to keep our PA since you send us good traffic from Whoring Wives & Pervespace.

You won't hear me telling you not to submit to Jay and you'd be a fucking fool to choose me over him. But I've never asked anyone to group my recip with the big guys. I don't care who I'm grouped with as long as it's not the small group of lists that are automatically blocked by the script.

I don't want to choose one over the other with any of the link lists I am submitting to, I want everyone's traffic!

And what do expect Jay to say expect other than "fuck Useless"?

Sorry.

When Jay first changed his recips, I said "WTF?!" and made a decision to not submit to him anymore even though he always listed my sites and sent mad traffic. Because I take this business seriously and do NOT support sites like Snizzshare I simply added another link list in the place of Jay's. Nothing personal - just business.

Ladydesigner I agree with this point & have done the same more than once, dropping a LL for a number of reasons.

Jay & Useless are both great sources of traffic and I don't want to lose either of them.

The few people who know me here know that the last thing I want is confrontation. I tend to argue on the board more than others because I'm the kind of person who feels strongly about things and have the ability to spar with words. That doesn't mean that I enjoy this kind of crap.

Useless I am sorry for creating this drama for you, as I said before it was not my intention. My partner (koalaT) and I have sent emails and PMs to you many times in the past and you are always pleasant and helpful. I really don't want to piss you off you and realize now that I should have come to you directly first before starting a thread on the board and for that I cannot apologize enough.|bow|

It takes time to rearrange recips to separate you and Jay, I am going to make time this weekend to get my recip tables sorted out to prevent being declined for this reason again. This morning Pervespace declined my free site submission for the same reason so I know I have to get it done so I don't miss anymore submits to your LLs.

LL disagreeing rules seem to be one of these continual issues that I just need to suck up and deal with as they come up. |banghead|

The only answer I can think of is to pick which site makes more money for you and don't submit to the other. I don't think there will be a solution for a long time, if ever.

And when there are two link lists conflicting and I can't possibly choose one over the other I have to spend the time to correct my recip tables to be accepted at both.|thumb

[Useless]

Useless I am sorry for creating this drama for you, as I said before it was not my intention. My partner (koalaT) and I have sent emails and PMs to you many times in the past and you are always pleasant and helpful. I really don't want to piss you off you and realize now that I should have come to you directly first before starting a thread on the board and for that I cannot apologize enough.|bow|I apologize for replying in my signature full-of-rage style. It wasn't called for and I realize now that I should have taken a deep breath before I posted. And I certainly shouldn't have threatened to delete your partner accounts. I'm a slash and burn kind of guy.

It's never been my intention to make the job more difficult for submitters (I personally HATE submitting), but my opposition to that particular link is based on two factors. 1- I really think that tube sites pose a particular danger to both link lists and TGPs. 2 - A reciprocal link really should be reciprocal. (I'd really like to change my recips to a geo-targeted dating ad, but I doubt I'd get away with that for more than a day)