Question For Link List Owners & Reviewers About Blind Recip Links [Archive]

Preacher

2007-12-21, 01:37 PM

sigh

I've been waiting for this to be discussed. Penisbot did bring it to light, but over the years I've had a handful of LL's requesting the same thing.

IMO, is it blind...by MadMax's definition...but, you have to take that put it in context. I'll throw out one of my sites as an example and let people crap all over it.

Jizz Gulping Whore (http://www.thisdepravedworld.com/free-pornsites/gokkun-bukkake/jizz-gulping-whore/)

I feel that the way that the recips are grouped and the preceding text above the links makes it no longer blind.

I thought about putting an unlinked "Penisbot" before the linked word "Porn", but I'm not so sure Kit want's searches for "Penisbot" resulting in my freesites.

That's all I've got on the subject but would love to hear from others.

HC-Majick

2007-12-21, 01:55 PM

Yep, I think it's blind as well...In the context of the recip table, whether I say "listed at these other sites as well" or not, I think the name of the site should be there.
What sense does it make to provide a recip image for "site branding" or else a text link for a generic term only and no site name mentioned at all? |crazy|
As I posted, I was rejected for not using it, and I did adjust my recip to unlink Penisbot just like Preacher mentioned above. I haven't heard whether the revised recip was accepted or not.

Greenguy

2007-12-21, 02:13 PM

...but, you have to take that put it in context. I'll throw out one of my sites as an example and let people crap all over it.

Jizz Gulping Whore (http://www.thisdepravedworld.com/free-pornsites/gokkun-bukkake/jizz-gulping-whore/)

I feel that the way that the recips are grouped and the preceding text above the links makes it no longer blind...
While I see what you're saying, I can also tell that it's a 4x4 recip table with recips to 16 Link Lists. I can tell you the name of 14 of them by sight alone - Debauchery & PenisBot are blind IMHO.

We're not talking about a word linked in a sentence. This is a blind link:
here
This isn't:
If you'd like to see Greenguy's website, please click here

Useless

2007-12-21, 02:52 PM

Let me throw this out there first:
|couch|

OK, now that I've done that, everyone knows that I've never agreed with my buddy MadMax's ideas of what a blind link is or isn't. He made a ton of new reviewers into absolute blind link nazis.

As to Kit's new recip, I don't think that it is at all blind. If the surfer clicks on the word porn (http://penisbot.com) and gets a link list, I just don't see what is blind about that. It's not as if they're expecting to get Wal-Mart's website. They are getting porn.

The fact that the recips for WhoringWives (http://www.whoringwives.com) said FREE PORNO for a long, long time has nothing to do with my opinion. :D

I love being the dissenting opinion.

Cleo

2007-12-21, 03:07 PM

I've been thinking of changing my recips to
ENTER HERE FOR PORN
Cleo's Links

Yeah some recips are rather blind but with a caveat. If it is in a recip table and clearly part of a recip then it has to be considered in its context of use.

Maj. Stress

2007-12-21, 03:07 PM

ponygirl

2007-12-21, 04:13 PM

Yeah some recips are rather blind but with a caveat. If it is in a recip table and clearly part of a recip then it has to be considered in its context of use.

that's what I think too. There's a lot of blind recip links out there, but as long as they were in a clearly defined recip grouping I never worried about it.

KG Gary

2007-12-21, 04:16 PM

Having no name in there means it's a blind link in the "normal" freesite blind link way, but as others have said already in the context of a clear and marked recip table I think it should be okay.

However, now that it's come up as a discussion point here, what will end up in those recips if they are allowed to be a bit more blind than other freesite links?
Will we see recip tables gradually filling up with Click Here's?

Lemmy

2007-12-21, 04:29 PM

Technically it's blind, but in a recip table I don't have a problem with it. In an attempt to satisfy all parties I added an unlinked "Penisbot" in front of "Porn" on my latest freesite.

sue-fl

2007-12-21, 06:07 PM

I don't consider it a blind link.

KG Gary has a good point about recip tables getting out of hand with a bunch of click here though. That would really be tacky.

I do the same as Lemmy by adding Penis Bot unlinked in the recip so not to break any rules.

SheepGuy

2007-12-21, 08:00 PM

I'm slacker than most regarding blind links, and would feel very little guilt if a surfer was somehow fooled into clicking a link that just said "Porn" and ended up at a porn link list. If they ended up at a mortgage brokers, well, that would be different.

MrMaryLou

2007-12-21, 09:03 PM

I think its blind as well and also why would they not want to use their name branding anyway?

dareutwo

2007-12-21, 09:07 PM

plateman

2007-12-21, 09:40 PM

in a recip table that is not blind imo

you can talk about other peoples LL recips all day long about being blind, distracting the surfers attention to there recip by using scrolling text, images of hardcore sex and so on and so on

dareutwo

2007-12-21, 10:00 PM

LowryBigwood

2007-12-21, 10:59 PM

I agree... I think it is a blind link, but I too am guilty of using recips with text and no LL name. But from someone trying to get the most benefit seo wise, I understand why they would use amateur porn over Mysite.com's amateur porn.

However, on the other side of the fence.... I don't believe it would effect them that much to add the LL name before/after the chosen kws.

MrMaryLou

2007-12-21, 11:19 PM

SheepGuy

2007-12-21, 11:45 PM

So there's not One blind link on this page??!!

If we all changed (http://www.marks-links.com/example1.html)

(obviously this is an example only - from a working FS - Enter link will land on Marks main page)

If the herd goes that way I'll go the other way ;)
I don't see the sense in not having your LL's name as part of your recip, and I think not having it would likely result in less hits, but if someone wants their recip that way I'm cool with it. People will always prefer brand names over generic no-names.

ponygirl

2007-12-22, 12:18 AM

So there's not One blind link on this page??!!

If we all changed (http://www.marks-links.com/example1.html)

(obviously this is an example only - from a working FS - Enter link will land on Marks main page)

blind links or not, it sure does look ridiculous. My recip doesn't have my LL name in it, but it's not generic, and I don't really care if someone wants to change it. I really wish it wasn't such a big deal because it really puts us submitters in a tough spot.

HarryM

2007-12-22, 12:38 AM

If the herd goes that way I'll go the other way ;)
I don't see the sense in not having your LL's name as part of your recip, and I think not having it would likely result in less hits, but if someone wants their recip that way I'm cool with it. People will always prefer brand names over generic no-names.

I'm guessing google is the only reason for the change as penisbot is usually on the 1st page for the keyword "porn" and they dropped off page one before the recip change.

Having that kind of result would be better than name branding on a free site imo. I'd rather have the 1st result for porn in google than name branding on a free site recip table that people are only going to skip over.

Regardless, I'd accept it, it's pretty obvious when it's in a recip table along with other sites plus you can always see penisbot.com in the status bar. The only recips I can't stand are the huge glaring tables with fugly scrolling text. They belong in last decade's trash bin along with blinking text and the like.

SheepGuy

2007-12-22, 02:18 AM

I'm guessing google is the only reason for the change as penisbot is usually on the 1st page for the keyword "porn" and they dropped off page one before the recip change.

That would make sense.

JustRobert

2007-12-22, 02:34 AM

I did not vote for I am on the fence whether or not in a recip table it is blind or not. 60/40 it is.

I know I do not like the way it looks and dareutwo's example is perfect for showing how foolish it would look. Then again, if the surfer is willing to click on something like that, so be it.

I personally add in the name of the site to make sure I get listed at as many places as possible. So like Lemmy, Penisbot is unlinked in front of Porn.

Jel

2007-12-22, 04:05 AM

I voted no, for the reason that indeed you get taken to a site filled with porn. Mark's good example of what a recip area could look like if every LL owner went that route isn't going to happen, because most LL owners do want that branding, and any surfer seeing that block of recips using those anchors is in no way (imo) going to take any notice of it whatsoever, skipping right over it. That's obviously just my opinion though.

I've felt we mollycoddle surfers a little regarding blind links for a while now - surfers are much more savvy now generally speaking, and don't need as much hand-holding as before, again just imo. It's pretty easy to get around not using blind links by preceding the anchor 'click here' (or suffixing (?) the anchor) with 'for members area/tour/paysite name/etc', or using a banner, and when used in a clearly visible recip area, with 'this site listed at (these LLs/linklists/resources/etc)' I think it doesn't really mislead the surfer, or even entice a clickthru. Just as an example http://www.lesbianpornnews.com/hfs/interracial-lesbian-gangbang/ as you say GG, both debauchery & penisbot's recips are technically blind, but in that context I personally think it makes little to zero difference to the surfer, and whether he/she chooses any of those recips to click on than another.

Interesting thread :)

kit

2007-12-22, 06:34 AM

I have a contra example of massive blind links used by Link-O-Rama:

Example taken from this free site (#1 in our todays listing): http://www.naughtyplace.com/deepthroat-movies/

Greenguy's XXX Links (http://www.link-o-rama.com/)
Oral Sex Movies (http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/oral_sex_movies.htm) - do you have oral sex movies on this page? I didn't find any movies, only link to the sites. This is a clear blindlink.

http://www.noviceslut.com/fs/mountain-high-fucking/index.html (#4 in our todays listing)
Amateur Movies (http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/amateur_movies.htm) - where is amateur movies on this page?
Greenguy's Free Porn (http://www.link-o-rama.com/)

There is a compromise solution for PenisBot recpis:
http://www.catfightingxxx.com/kinky-catfighting-videos/
http://www.pynio.com/bbw/ebony-bbw-cocksucker/index.html
http://www.free-porn4u.com/peaches/

Again, I don't see the big difference between PenisBot Porn and Porn, but I can tell you guys what happens with Google algos last months: According my digging, they have focused on the exact keyword using.

Before, the PenisBot Porn Links (http://www.penisbot.com), PenisBot Porn (http://www.penisbot.com) was OK for achieving good positions by keyword "Porn". Now exact inclusion "Porn" in the link much weighty for the good rankings battle.

Sergeyka

2007-12-22, 06:47 AM

Round

2007-12-22, 07:46 AM

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You are not right
IMHO

I so think too

Fonz

2007-12-22, 09:09 AM

Kit, nothing personal but your example is ridiculous.
You're saying there should actually be free porn movies on that page? I think that anyone who clicks that link can live with the fact that they get a huge list with links to free porn movies.
Also the point of this whole thread is that recips should have the LL name in it or not. GG's recips have the word/phrase "Link-o-Rama" in them.
I think Mark's example proves that it would be a mess if everyone started doing the "keyword only" recips.

Silver Knight

2007-12-22, 10:46 AM

If the name of linklist is too long it's impossible to write it in the text of recip.

FanTC

2007-12-22, 10:55 AM

I so think too

Hooked on phonics worked for me!

2007-12-22, 11:09 AM

Technically it's blind, but in a recip table I don't have a problem with it.

Good point.

When I first got started, I was confused in that most rules said you limited your outgoing links to three, but the next line said you had to have 12 recips...seemed contradictory until it became clear that recips tables get a little different consideration.

it's not a biggie, afaic. Recips that work best for list owner work for me.

kit

2007-12-22, 12:38 PM

Strict rules according recip texts cause the pattrens in google database and possible penalties. I think we (link site webmasters) must combat to gain more SE traffic in link sites niche.

Greenguy

2007-12-22, 01:06 PM

I have a contra example of massive blind links used by Link-O-Rama:...You really are an idiot. Do you have any "amateur porn" on this page?:
http://www.penisbot.com/new-amateur-01.html
Or do you just have LINKS to amateur porn?

Strict rules according recip texts cause the pattrens in Google database and possible penalties. I think we (link site webmasters) must combat to gain more SE traffic in link sites niche.Stop living your life based on what you THINK Google likes & doesn't like.

Did someone take away your #1 for "porn"? |cry| 2nd page now? Life sucks. Get used to it. (or explain why you think you deserve to be #1 for "porn" 24/7/365)

***

Everyone look at Dare's example:
http://www.marks-links.com/example1.html
As well as this example I did of Preacher's page:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html
Do you really want the recip tables to look like this?

Please remember that when you take what I think are blind links out of the recip tables & surround them with 15 other links that I'd also consider blind, it changes the context of that one link.

***

PS - I do love all the "12 total posts" people that come out when these threads pop up. The best so far is that the Link Lists name is too long |thumb

Useless

2007-12-22, 03:06 PM

Everyone look at Dare's example:
http://www.marks-links.com/example1.html
As well as this example I did of Preacher's page:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html
Do you really want the recip tables to look like this?
Even if I was to accept your definition of a blind link, which I assume involves the site's name being present, those recips STILL wouldn't bother me. I'd say, fine - they're blind. How is the surfer misled or harmed? What free site submitter is going to fret over the idea of sending surfers to PenisBot via the word Porn?

I don't think that Cum is Yummy (http://www.pervespace.com) is any more blind than PerveSpace (http://www.pervespace.com). The name of a site tells me nothing that makes it not blind for a first time visitor. But keep in mind, I've never, ever, ever understood why Free Movie Trailers at Please Bang My Wife is considered not blind, but Free Movie Trailers of Wives Getting Fucked is, to many reviewers. As long as the surfer isn't being misled, I haven't an issue with which text other people use in their links.

bluebrit

2007-12-22, 03:33 PM

My concern with the way LL recips are going at the moment (and i have submitted to other sites that already do what penisbot are implementing) Is that, If it's ok for the LL recip to be blind, you are only a step away from sponsor links being blind as well.

If you accept the fact that LL recips can be blind, does it follow that i could use the word PORN or SEX or MORE XXX as a link going straight to a sponsors free tour from a free site?

At the moment that would get you declined everywhere but with blind recips being actively used, how can the LL owners decline a site for blind linking to a sponsors porn without having double standards?

Personally i prefer to use the LL name purely so i can identify them at a glance and i think surfers like this option as well. I know that given a choice between a link saying PORN or one saying the name of the LL, as a surfer, i would click the named recip because i know before clicking it where i will land.

NY Jester

2007-12-22, 05:24 PM

2 cents ==>> I feel, Average Joe porn surfer would much rather click a recognizable name with the link after (much like the compromised solutions Kit showed above) than just the Porn | Amateur Porn alone - I just think it is site branding. For myself, I agree with what DareTwo and KG said in regard to the recip tables being full of Porn | Amateur Porn links rather than a site name associated with it. I have no problem just linking to the word "porn" but for my FS"s I am using the alternative of adding the Unlinked name ahead of it.

Preacher

2007-12-22, 06:33 PM

"Cum is Yummy"
|pokefun|

Bill

2007-12-22, 08:23 PM

So, no sense yet of an acceptable compromise?

We all have to start building mirrors if we want the same site accepted by both penisbot and linkorama?

SheepGuy

2007-12-22, 08:36 PM

So, no sense yet of an acceptable compromise?

We all have to start building mirrors if we want the same site accepted by both penisbot and linkorama?

That wouldn't be to either of their advantage, and would cost them both, so lets hope not. Seems to me, and I'm hoping, that this is just a discussion of ideas, and a live and let live philosophy will prevail.

CaptainJSparrow

2007-12-22, 10:28 PM

I'm thinking that gg should have put a 3rd choice in his survey above called "Somewhat." Is it blind that the recip to my site targets both "cumshots" and "free porn videos" but does not mention the name Debauchery?

According to Kit, and I understand he is "technically speaking", my links are blind because I don't actually deliver cumshot pics or movies off of my server. According to gg, and I realize that he's just posing this for discussion, my links are blind because I don't mention the name "Debauchery" in my recip. Am I misleading the surfer? Probably not because my intent is that they come to my page, cumshots, and they can see both cumshot pics and cumshot videos by clicking on the links.

I changed my recips a while back because I used to list "debauchery.com" in them and I get a whopping 240 people per day, for being #1 for that term, from google.

I will say that gg has a good point here: http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

I'm also thinking as LL owners, we should make it as easy as possible to our free site submitters and they certainly should not have to choose sides. Faced with a situation as gg pointed out above, what's a submitter to do? Also, were that situation to become prevalent, google may discount all links in tables such as that.

I may change my links to the way I have the Amateur section linked on this page: http://debauchery.com/text-links.htm . I won't do this as a knee jerk reaction to this thread, meaning I want to ponder on it for a day or so, but changing my recips up in that way should not affect how google sees the anchor text and hyper-links to my pages.

Any thoughts on that?

CJS

Bill

2007-12-22, 10:41 PM

Holy shit, it's a freekin recip war.

DangerDave

2007-12-23, 06:53 AM

It's BLIND.. 100% BLIND and deceptive... and as Dare's example shows so clearly, it's a fucking minefield...

additionally.. wether you think is blind or not... it is defintitely not a Linklist Recip, which is what the front table is for.... A recip is a recip.... not a keyword link.

It is time free site builders stood up for themselves and stopped letting LL's hijack your front pages, with spammy keywords... Look at the density of keywords on your front pages now, and you will see why your sites never rank for anything.. The only thing Penisbot should/could demand of you in a recip is the site name and possibly a tag line. It is not your job to supply them with keyword relevance or text.

Category recips was the start, of alot of bullshit crowding your front page with spammy keywords, now "they" want to crowd your page with NOTHING BUT spammy keywords...

I would never ask you to do it, and if sites start arriving with this sort of "recip" they will be declined.

A recip is a recip, not a SE spam ticket for greedy LL's

DD

Greenguy

2007-12-23, 10:48 AM

I thought of something yesterday afternoon & I have updated my example - this is where we are headed:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

Extreme? You'd have thought that category recips were extreme 4 months before they were the norm as well.

Useless

2007-12-23, 10:56 AM

It is time free site builders stood up for themselves...That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

I've always wished that there more people like me in the business. We really need more honest, yet semi-self-destructive webmasters who are willing to state their opinion, despite the possibility of a thorough lashing.

I hope someone remembers to bookmark this thread so that the next time I'm called a sheep because I'm backing the opinion of GG or DD I can refer back to it.

I thought of something yesterday afternoon & I have updated my example - this is where we are headed:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.htmlThat's the cleanest recip table I've seen in a long time. I may use that on my next free site.

Cleo

2007-12-23, 10:59 AM

As a LL owner I see no benefit from category recips and have been offering a non category recip for sometime now.

As a site builder I get wet thinking of going back to non category recips with just one link per recip and not having to go hunting down category recips each time I build for a new niche and having a site root page 20+ outgoing links that is mostly due to the recip table.

ponygirl

2007-12-23, 11:09 AM

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

exactly. How can we bite the hands that feed us?? This sucks, it's like 2 family members fighting. You love them both, so how can you take sides?

I may just go back to the old gif/table recips, that seems easier than trying to tiptoe through this minefield.

grundic

2007-12-23, 11:54 AM

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

I've always wished that there more people like me in the business. We really need more honest, yet semi-self-destructive webmasters who are willing to state their opinion, despite the possibility of a thorough lashing.

They have their own opinion!

But every time, when they say something about your LL (LOR, DD, .. etc) they become banned or put on shame!
Why?
Because they are newbies, they did'n know something that you know, or they just can't speak "Fucking English" as good as you can?

Lots of webmasters can be proud, that they can speak free in several languages, and such envious and selfish cocksucker like Greenguy has no right to judge them, because they tried to write some attractive and long description for gallery!

My opinion is that GG is too heated with think, that he is the God in this industry, and his super weapon - BAN for every fucking reason, makes webmasters to keep their own oppinions with themselves!
|2up

P.S.
About blind links:
Almost every LL have blind links at their recips like this:
"Indian Porn" , "Black Porn" "Free Porn" , "Teen Movies" .. etc
because if I wrote "Indian Porn" somewhere on my freesite and link it to Indian paysite full of indian free movie samples, this freesite will be declained by the most of you because of blind link.

So why "Indian Porn" can be written at recips, but on my freesite galleries can't be written?

Silver Knight

2007-12-23, 02:38 PM

For example the domain of linklist is 4000freepornmovies.com and the name is "4000 Free Porn Movies". It says nothing so surfer even if we honestly write the name of linklist in recip.

tyre71

2007-12-23, 03:14 PM

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

Speaking for myself (as a submitter) I really could care less. If I disagree with a link list rules I simply take them off my submit list. There are tons of link list and plenty of places to get traffic.

As far as grundic post I really dont think shit throwing is really necessary. Greenie and kit can both do whatever they want with their linklist. They are the ones who put the work into them. It's their business. Greenie could have just said,"I wont accept sites with those recips anymore", but he didn't. He opened it up for debate.It's not like kit and greenie hadn't disagreed before. I remember the debate over penisbot asking for recips to porninspector.

Kit I really do understand what your trying to do. But I think it's a short sighted plan. It probably would work for a while. But what happens when google changes it algorithm? And if freesites start using these recips google may start dropping freesites from their index for being spammy. Now that may not seem like a big deal but a couple a search engine hits to each of hundreds of freesites start to add up.

My point is that everyone-link list and submitters have to do whats best for their particular business model. Maybe the focus should be on building sites that make surfers want to bookmark and link to.

Just my1/2 cent worth.

Silver Knight

2007-12-23, 06:10 PM

Greenie could have just said,"I wont accept sites with those recips anymore", but he didn't. He opened it up for debate.

If he would do that the other linklists would do the same with him.

shaman

2007-12-23, 06:36 PM

fucking question... :)
i think "no" and voted for second variant

kit

2007-12-23, 07:45 PM

Stop living your life based on what you THINK Google likes & doesn't like.

Because this is a very search engines related business, I will base many things on what Google (Yahoo, MSN) likes & doesn't like.

I can't find serious difference between "BlaBla Porn" and "Porn" in recips table. Nobody click on text recips. The poll results show that many webmasters on this board agree with my point.

nataly.c

2007-12-23, 07:53 PM

fucking question... :)
i think "no" and voted for second variant
I think also "NO" and I voted for this. And I got to say that no one else will submit free sites to GG-LLs if the problem between Kit and GG will not be solved. I submitted in this year about 400 free sites, about 250 was approved by penisbot and only ~70 by GG-LLs.

GG`s approved free sites given me traffic for about 2 month. Free Sites approved from penisbot are still working for me and got a lot of sign ups.

A question, where is the reason to submit sites to GG and give him a place in my recip-table? Think about this. Live in peace and let the people submit to you because without this people you are nothing.

"dont shit in your own well" ;)

p.s. sorry for new registration, i`m reading gg board since 2006. you can ban me, if my post does not like you. its IMHO ;)

kit

2007-12-23, 08:06 PM

Kit I really do understand what your trying to do. But I think it's a short sighted plan. It probably would work for a while. But what happens when google changes it algorithm? And if freesites start using these recips google may start dropping freesites from their index for being spammy. Now that may not seem like a big deal but a couple a search engine hits to each of hundreds of freesites start to add up.

Freesites already very spammy. Only TGP galleries is more spammy. Because of texts copying from one freesite to other. Not only recipe tables, but also all other texts.

Short $Keyword in reciprocal text is less spammy than long "MyLinkSite Free $Keyword Links".

Around one year ago I said: When Google decide that average freesite is a piece of spam, link sites business will ends. Looks like Google started to think so in 2007. I think so Not because I lost #1 "porn" position. Almost all link sites have been decreased in their SE rankings during this year.

tyre71

2007-12-23, 09:05 PM

Freesites already very spammy. Only TGP galleries is more spammy. Because of texts copying from one freesite to other. Not only recipe tables, but also all other texts.

Short $Keyword in reciprocal text is less spammy than long "MyLinkSite Free $Keyword Links".

Kit what would you think of a straight link to your index?Do it old school. Wouldn't that be the least spammy method?

-adultdream-

2007-12-23, 09:37 PM

I think it's just an another stupid reason for decline.
If you don't stop decline free sites with Penisbot's recips today, tomorrow you'll make free sites for LOR by yourself imho. "Extreme?"
PS Stop living your life based on what you THINK who you are. |king|
You are wrong.
Sorry for my English, but I think you has understood that I wished to tell.

-adultdream-

2007-12-23, 09:44 PM

What for you ask opinion of others if any more do not accept sites with these recips?

murray

2007-12-23, 10:26 PM

Is it just me, or should the name of the Link List be in the text of the recip link?

It should, any other way and its blind link, keyword spam that screws everyone

Bill

2007-12-24, 12:38 AM

Around one year ago I said: When Google decide that average freesite is a piece of spam, link sites business will ends. Looks like Google started to think so in 2007. I think so Not because I lost #1 "porn" position. Almost all link sites have been decreased in their SE rankings during this year.

Now that's accurate enough.

But if you really believe this kit, you should reward webmasters who write unique changing text links. It's well known that it's easy for google to spot thousands of identical text links, and devalue them.

Your plan will only bring you a small short term advantage, then lead to an even faster and further collapse in the future.

But, about the immediate problem - How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)

tigermom

2007-12-24, 03:35 AM

2007-12-24, 10:35 AM

I'd like to know too, please :)

Me too! AMF, I just submitted a site and because of this thread included an unlinked "penisbot" inthe recip.

Both LOR and Penisbot have provided me with consistant quality traffic...hope this all gets worked out soon.

smutguy

2007-12-24, 11:28 AM

I hope everything gets worked out... i have really enjoyed traffic from LOR, Penisbot and WetPlace

Thank you both for accepting my freesites

Useless

2007-12-24, 11:47 AM

But, about the immediate problem - How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)
I'd like to know too, please
Me too! AMF, I just submitted a site and because of this thread included an unlinked "penisbot" inthe recip.
Kit doesn't seem to mind that at all. This is from his first post in this thread:
There is a compromise solution for PenisBot recpis:
http://www.catfightingxxx.com/kinky-catfighting-videos/
http://www.pynio.com/bbw/ebony-bbw-cocksucker/index.html
http://www.free-porn4u.com/peaches/ He isn't trying to make things more difficult on submitters. Also, his image based recips should fine to use since the images say Penisbot on them.

koalat

2007-12-24, 12:19 PM

I don't think it's a blind link at all. I'm just a submitter though, and I just follow the rules of each LL's I submit to. |thumb

My original plan was just to swap out GG's recip so that it wouldn't be on the same table as PenisBot because the simplest solution is usually the best one.

However, after reading this thread I realized that all sorts of other link list owners are probably in some sort of a kafuffle about this now and may be declining for having PenisBot's recip on the same table as their own which is just plain stupid IMO.

Doing a little bit of Google searching I noticed that Penisbot comes up pretty regularly for all sorts of adult terms, but many of the other LL's I submit to did not show up even by the 20th SERP.

Anyway, my opinion for what it's worth is that the link is not at all blind, the surfer is going to get 'porn' regardless of which link they click on even in GG's nightmare scenario.

koalaTalex

2007-12-24, 12:32 PM

GG: I don't think that only linklist owners and reviewers are affected by this issue so that's why people with few posts are coming out to express their opinions and you shouldn't shit on them because of how many posts they have. I have been reading this board since 2005 and just because I only started posting recently shouldn't mean my opinion doesn't count.

Kit & GG:
If the only solution we can come to for now is an unlinked PenisBot please just tell us that's it. |peace|

I just updated the PenisBot recips Kit's way and to do it over again once will be enough time spent without the fear that I will have to re-do a third, fourth, fifth time until a permanent solution is agreed upon.

I want both your traffic |bow|

stuveltje

2007-12-24, 12:45 PM

a bit late for me to answer this, but yep i see it as a blind link,i wanna say more about it, but i kow it will end in dutch chinese and i am running out of time now, no linksite name means blind to me.

kit

2007-12-24, 01:50 PM

How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)

This is very acceptable links: PenisBot's Porn (http://www.penisbot.com/)

kit

2007-12-24, 01:58 PM

But if you really believe this kit, you should reward webmasters who write unique changing text links. It's well known that it's easy for google to spot thousands of identical text links, and devalue them.

You think, thousands of such links "MyLinkList Free Porn Links" is not identical text links? The longer identical text patterns is more spammy.

NY Jester

2007-12-24, 03:09 PM

I have my own views on this and I will try and abide by what rules are set forth for each individual LL - I just want to know why people are being recruited in to "testify" on this thread..I mean who the fuck is Nataly C and Adult Dream - both Dec 2007 registrants with 1 and 2 posts (all in this thread) I mean c'mon now. Next it will turn into "my mom will kick your moms ass"..neener neener neener..why cant everyone just agree to disagree on certain points. - My suggestion is if you cant make certain LL owners happy with one type of recip table, then post the two on seperate sites and call it good.

Bill

2007-12-24, 05:45 PM

You think, thousands of such links "MyLinkList Free Porn Links" is not identical text links? The longer identical text patterns is more spammy.

I think it's pretty much exactly the same. The length of the text doesn't matter, it's the fact that it's easy for google to see that thousands of identical strings of text are being used as the anchor text.

That indicates an un-natural linking pattern, one that we know google is watching.

I'm not saying there is an easy solution, just that insisting that everyone use the exact same links all the time is a dead end. And you should figure out a way to get more variety in the anchor text of recips.

Greenguy

2007-12-24, 07:32 PM

They have their own opinion!

But every time, when they say something about your LL (LOR, DD, .. etc) they become banned or put on shame!
Why?...That's such a moronic statement that I'm not even going to address it. No one gets banned because of their opinion.

I think it's just an another stupid reason for decline...Thank you very much, person with 2 posts that registered yesterday |thumb

******

Please stop thinking this is a "greenguy vs kit" problem - if you read thru the entire thread, you'll see where I say that I've seen other LL's doing this as well. You'll also see where other people have seen the same thing & even wondered when this topic would come up.

******

Little known fact: I have a shitload of rules that I want to put into place that all BENEFIT the submitter, but I was sorta talked out of it because whatever I do effects other Link Lists. This can be proved by looking at the last time I changed my rules & the mess that caused.

I may put these rules into place just to prove once & for all that I do actually care about my submitters. Trust me, the news rules will let submitters bend & even break what Free Site submitters have been told are absolute No-No's due to a few bad apples.

Greenguy

2007-12-24, 07:38 PM

Kit - one question: Is this recip table OK with you?
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

Silver Knight

2007-12-24, 07:55 PM

Kit - one question: Is this recip table OK with you?
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

I'm not Kit, but I want to say my opinion. The recip table in your example is too extreme. You use the same keywords for all linklists. If you use different keywords then it's ok.

I personally think that it's impossible to have recips without blind links. The domain says nothing to surfers, it's name is already blind link. Sometimes the domain is so long that you can't put it into the recip table.

If you're trying to imrove this business then you'd better think about the structure of freesites. Surfers don't need warning page, they don't read warning messages.

Greenguy

2007-12-24, 08:02 PM

Why is that extreme? That's 16 versions of Kit's recip. 1 is ok, but 16 isn't?

How many are ok? 4? 8? 12?

Am I getting my point across at all?

Silver Knight

2007-12-24, 08:11 PM

If you use different keywords then it's ok.

One recip is "Cumshot Porn", another one is "Sucking sluts"... I'm sure that the most part of linklist owners would be happy if webmasters use different keywords for their category recips each time.

JustRobert

2007-12-24, 09:27 PM

If you're trying to imrove this business then you'd better think about the structure of freesites. Surfers don't need warning page, they don't read warning messages.
I do not agree with that statement. The surfer might not but the submitter does. I just pulled my spread sheet out to verify where my freesite sales were coming from and here is the breakdown:
48% warning page - 35% main page - 17% galleries
Every page is a chance to sell the surfer and if most of my sales are coming from the warning page they are obviously reading it.

I feel if a freesite builder cannot sell on the warning page then they should improve their building skills or just submit to tgp's. Just my opinion.

nottslad

2007-12-24, 09:41 PM

I do not agree with that statement. The surfer might not but the submitter does. I just pulled my spread sheet out to verify where my freesite sales were coming from and here is the breakdown:
48% warning page - 35% main page - 17% galleries
Every page is a chance to sell the surfer and if most of my sales are coming from the warning page they are obviously reading it.

I feel if a freesite builder cannot sell on the warning page then they should improve their building skills or just submit to tgp's. Just my opinion.

I agree, the submitters job is to get the surfer to the sponsor as soon as possible. Warning page and main page provide the best opportunities to do that. Without those a free site is no more than a TGP gallery.

nottslad

2007-12-24, 09:53 PM

As for the question at hand is such a recip link blind or not. Speaking as a submitter and not a link list owner I dont really care either way. To me it's just a link I have to include on my site to get accepted - it makes little odds to us.

What I dont like to see is that it seems submitters are having to make choices between link-o-rama or penisbot but not both in the same recip table. That can't be good for either party and to be honest as a submitter I will always side with the site that sends me the most traffic.

DangerDave

2007-12-24, 09:59 PM

Am I getting my point across at all?

It's crystal clear mate.. and more people should see it... !

Cleo's post on the first page was the scariest one... All it needs is a few of us to ask for

ENTER HERE FOR PORN (http://www.dangerdave.com.au/)
DangerDave's Porny Porn Porn

and it's all over for free sites, linklists and half the biz... because TGPs will be the next ones to take it up...

This is what is coming.. if "we" follow this path..

http://www.dangerdave.com.au/blindrecips2.htm

DD

DangerDave

2007-12-24, 10:07 PM

A little off topic..

48% warning page - 35% main page - 17% galleries

Useless stat with ratios and more... ( if you are converting 48% at the warning page but your ratio is 1:10,565,464,646 then it means nothing.. and vice versa, if it's 1:20 and the galleries... the warning page argument falls apart.)

Additionally.. what are you building galleries for? Why not just build 4,532,435,535,534 warning pages..??

the submitters job is to get the surfer to the sponsor as soon as possible

Not true, that is just an opinion...

(As is the following) The "job" was/is to get the surfer primed to buy... so sending them from the warning page or "as fast as possible" is flawed. Galleries are there to be used to get the surfer interested in the product you are selling.

If warning pages were king, we would allow blind links, and have fucking big ones right at the top.

DD

Silver Knight

2007-12-24, 10:50 PM

48% warning page - 35% main page - 17% galleries

If you redirect all traffic to your sponsor you will get 100% of signups from this redirect :)

Surfers don't like and don't need warning page. If we want to make good sites for surfers then we must forget about this page.

ENTER HERE FOR PORN
DangerDave's Porny Porn Porn

This example is too extreme and you don't accept freesites.

Sat

2007-12-25, 05:45 AM

Am I right to assume the following.

1) Link lists that that want to use key words in their recipes instead of their domain name or name of site, will still accept sites from submitters if they add their site name to the recipe but it won’t be linked. ( Kit said o.k. to this I think)

So the question is,
The link lists which think the links are blind, do you still feel the links are blind if the submitters adds the site name to the recipe but it won’t be linked. Will you still reject our sites if we do every thing in 1?

Kind regards Sat

Licker4U

2007-12-25, 07:14 AM

"Click Here To See Her Suck Cock" is blind but when put under a banner it becomes part of the banner and is not blind. As Greenie once said, it's the intent of the ad space and even a first time computer user will recognize a recip table as a box full of clickable links where they can hopefully get porn. I like this recip table (http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/sample) |thumb

grundic

2007-12-25, 08:02 AM

No one gets banned because of their opinion.

Then, please, let us now all reasons how to get banned at LOR ?

Maybe this will help me to understand what criteria i didn't pass!
Untill this moment you are the only one, who banned webmaster (me) because of his own oppinion (question, answer) , even it is stypid or fullish!

... and my suggestions - remove button "apeal" from the usefullsripts, it is not working! I tried to write e-mails , but didn't receive any answers!
It is a dirty trick to give a hope for webmaster , when actually he is wasting his time

kit

2007-12-25, 08:27 AM

I just want to know why people are being recruited in to "testify" on this thread..I mean who the fuck is Nataly C and Adult Dream
I don't recruited anybody to help me push my opinion. ;-)

I'm not saying there is an easy solution, just that insisting that everyone use the exact same links all the time is a dead end. And you should figure out a way to get more variety in the anchor text of recips.
I agree with you. Natural linking way suppose more freedom for the free site makers. We recommend to use the official reciprocal links, but do not order to use ONLY them.

The thing we'll strong require to be approved is inclusion "Porn" word in link texts or titles.

If you have a very good site, it will be accepted even with custom recips, but word "Porn" must be used in category and index link in any case.

Greenguy

2007-12-25, 10:27 AM

Then, please, let us now all reasons how to get banned at LOR ?...You're off topic now, but in your case, my guess would be Poor Grammar or Spelling Errors. If you really want to know, send me a PM with your domain & I'll look them up on the blacklist & send you a vailid reason for each one that I added. I'll do it in public if you want as well.

I don't recruited anybody to help me push my opinion. ;-).Oddly enough, I can say that without using the winking smiley.

Greenguy

2007-12-25, 10:30 AM

...This example is too extreme and you don't accept freesites.2 months ago, the example I started this thread with would be too extreme.

And you never answered my question? If Kit's recip is OK, how many copies of it out of the 16 recips on that free site are ok? 2? 4? 8? 12?

With most recip links, the only difference is the site's name.

Greenguy

2007-12-25, 10:32 AM

...I agree with you. Natural linking way suppose more freedom for the free site makers. We recommend to use the official reciprocal links, but do not order to use ONLY them...This is from your site/rejection email, correct?:
"Please use "PenisBot's Porn Links" alt tag for our reciprocal buttons and text links.
Anyway, WORD "Porn" MUST BE USED (and Linked in text version).
Also be sure what your reciprocal page have at least one link to PenisBot root http://www.penisbot.com/

koalaTalex

2007-12-25, 02:03 PM

http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/sample/
If I were the surfer I know where I'd be clicking ;)

JustRobert

2007-12-25, 02:55 PM

A little off topic..
Useless stat with ratios and more...

I agree, it was only used to explain that surfers do read what is written on the warning page and nothing more.

The rest of the comments/responses of freesite structure would be better off in its own thread/discussion.

tigermom

2007-12-25, 04:24 PM

http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/sample/
If I were the surfer I know where I'd be clicking ;)

what if it were a text recip like the rest of them, sans the design colors and border?

DangerDave

2007-12-25, 06:07 PM

you don't accept freesites.

Yes I do.... just not from you!

DD

CaptainJSparrow

2007-12-25, 06:08 PM

http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/sample/
If I were the surfer I know where I'd be clicking
__________________

Umm...the link that says "Enter this Pornsite"? |banghead|

As people seem to be getting a bit tense with this thread, thought I'd throw in a "Merry Christmas" to everyone!

As for my site, Debauchery, it's fine with me if folks put the "Debauchery.com" in there if they wish. I'm pretty laid back as far as what I accept and the recips that people use. I even offer a recip, and have for a while now, that just links to my root using the anchor text "Free Porn Videos" with non-hyperlinked text that says "Debauchery.com"

Silver Knight

2007-12-25, 11:03 PM

Yes I do.... just not from you!

DD

DangerDave, I don't want and don't have enaugh time to argue with you. I respect you as webmaster, but your site is not linklist for me. 0-3 freesites a day is nothing. Your opinion is your opinion, my opinion is my opinion. Let's stay with our opinions and there is no sence to argue here.

Untill this moment you are the only one, who banned webmaster (me) because of his own oppinion (question, answer) , even it is stypid or fullish!

WTF are you talking about? Your opinion can't be stupid. Your opinion is just one of the opinions.

And you never answered my question? If Kit's recip is OK, how many copies of it out of the 16 recips on that free site are ok? 2? 4? 8? 12?

I answered your question, probably you didn't read it. I told you that it looks good if webmaster uses different keywords for each linklist. It's so easy to find 2, 4, 8, 16 different keywords for each linklist in any niche. I'm sure that 99% of linklist owners will accept these freesites. You can rotate these keywords, it'e even better for webmaster and linklist owners - more SE traffic.

48% warning page - 35% main page - 17% galleries

I've answered you already, but I want to add something. Why do you think that 48% of your signups comes from warning page? I think that in 90% of cases surfers just can't find the ENTER link.

JustRobert

2007-12-26, 02:02 AM

Why do you think that 48% of your signups comes from warning page?
1st point of entry and 1st chance to communicate with the surfer.
Nothing more, this is off topic.

SheepGuy

2007-12-26, 02:28 AM

DangerDave, I don't want and don't have enaugh time to argue with you. I respect you as webmaster, but your site is not linklist for me. 0-3 freesites a day is nothing. Your opinion is your opinion, my opinion is my opinion. Let's stay with our opinions and there is no sence to argue here.

Always good to have an expert on what is and what isn't a linklist.

I've answered you already, but I want to add something. Why do you think that 48% of your signups comes from warning page? I think that in 90% of cases surfers just can't find the ENTER link.

Have you ever even seen one of JustRobert's freesites? Clean and easy to navigate. That may be one reason why he can submit to linklists that you can't submit to.

Silver Knight

2007-12-26, 09:46 AM

No blind or misleading links what-so-ever - this includes recip links to other Link Lists.

Just noticed new rule at link-o-rama, if I understand it right Greenie has his own opinion on what is blind links in recips and this poll and thread doesn't matter anything for him :)

murray

2007-12-26, 10:43 AM

Am I getting my point across at all?

Sure are, its obvious

murray

2007-12-26, 10:46 AM

Greenguy

2007-12-26, 11:10 AM

Just noticed new rule at link-o-rama, if I understand it right Greenie has his own opinion on what is blind links in recips and this poll and thread doesn't matter anything for him :)Seeing as I am rejecting sites because I do think it is a blind link, I thought it'd be best to put it in the rules.

Would you rather me not discuss topics like this?

Silver Knight

2007-12-26, 01:05 PM

Just noticed....a total lack of grammar

It would be important if you wouldn't understand me. But in this situation it's offtopic.

Would you rather me not discuss topics like this?

I like the discussion. But I don't like the fact that you ignore the opinions of other people if these opinions are opposit to your one.

Maj. Stress

2007-12-26, 01:18 PM

It would be important if you wouldn't understand me. But in this situation it's offtopic.

I like the discussion. But I don't like the fact that you ignore the opinions of other people if these opinions are opposit to your one.

This thread was directed at Link List Owners & Reviewers. Are you a link list owner or reviewer?

Shark

2007-12-26, 01:41 PM

Neverending topic of |bullshit|

Greenguy

2007-12-26, 05:12 PM

...I like the discussion. But I don't like the fact that you ignore the opinions of other people if these opinions are opposit to your one.My site is not a democracy - I make the rules.

But you seem to think that it's stupid for me to discuss things that I don't agree with. For fuck sakes, I opened a thread so that everyone could discuss the situation. Maybe next time I'll just put the rule in place & when I'm asked about it, I'll just ignore the poster or email & no one will be able to talk about it.

Greenguy

2007-12-26, 05:13 PM

Neverending topic of |bullshit|

Your links are so blind you can't even see them.

LINGER LONGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Useless

2007-12-26, 06:02 PM

EDIT: I started writing this post even before GG made his last two posts. Yes, I am that slow. I linger longer. ;)
I like the discussion. But I don't like the fact that you ignore the opinions of other people if these opinions are opposit to your one.SK - I agree with a couple of the points you've made in this thread (free site structure, the extremeness GG's recip table example, etc), but I think this thread was intended to be a discussion of the recip in question, not a "see if you can change my mind" thread. Therefore I don't feel that we can say that he's ignoring other peoples' opinions. Let's face it, he didn't have to bring it up for public debate. As far as the numbers in the poll are concerned - I'd bet if we could see who voted for what, neither of us would recognize most of the names who voted 'No' and it's fairly obvious that most of them didn't bother to post their full opinion on the matter.

My vote remains a No, but that's because I feel the same way about the subject as GG. In other words, somebody would have to make one hell of an argument for me to change my mind. Simply stating that one feels contrary doesn't make for much a debate.

The following is to clarify my stance and not an attempt at convincing others one way or the other. I know that I'm in the minority.

For me, there are few text links that I consider blind. A true blind link to me is one that appears to intentionally attempt to conceal or lie about the link's destination. Nearly the only time I reject something as blind, it's due to an image linked directly to a paysite or a thumb-like banner. If the average surfer would click on the image and expect to see its full-size counterpart (without reading the text around the image), I consider it blind. Text is different. And as long as a surfer can mouseover the text to see the destination, I usually won't take issue.

What do I think about the value and productivity of text links which most would consider blind? I'm betting that they're absolute shit if linked to a paysite. I wouldn't expect to see sales created by a stand-alone text link which read "Moms Fucking". As far as blind recips, I honestly wouldn't know if there'd be a difference in productivity between Porn (http://www.penisbot.com) and PenisBot Porn (http://www.penisbot.com).

Now, a long time ago I temporarily changed my recips for WhoringWives.com (http://www.whoringwives.com/) so that instead of reading Whoring Wives (http://www.whoringwives.com/), they read Free Porno. I didn't do it for SE reasons like Kit. I'm simply not that learned in the SE arena. I did it because I felt more surfers would click on Free Porno than on Whoring Wives. Let's face it, it's not a great name for a general categorized link list. Plus, I didn't see how it was much different than the using Cunt Masters (http://www.youngsmut.com/) on the recips for youngsmut.com (http://www.youngsmut.com/). Did my recip get clicked more often? I don't know. But I did start getting Google search hits for the phrase free porno. :D I changed them back months ago because I felt I would be better served by branding it with the site's true name: Maroon Man's Links o' Drama. I think some people still use my old Free Porno recips because when I update them on my end, I don't demand that the submitters use the new ones in their recip tables.

Silver Knight

2007-12-27, 09:54 AM

Greenguy

2007-12-27, 11:06 AM

I know one thing. The most part of linklist owners will not change their recips. They will be upset when somebody will decline freesites because of their recips. I don't understand why to fight with each other when we could work together and help each other.You have to remember that each link list has rules & if a rule is broken, the site is not listed.

Everyone remembers the "no hardcore on the warning page" debate from a couple of years ago where some recip links had hardcore images in them.

So then the question because: What rules should Link List owners let other Link List owners break with their recips?

Should I allow iFrames in them? Counters? Hotlinking? Links that open in a new window? I can go on & on & on.....

I'm not trying to fight with anyone - if a submitter had the word "porn" links on the main page with no other text around it, I'd reject it because it's a blind link. The fact that it's in with 15 other recips & was created by another Link List does not change the fact that it's a blind link in my eyes.

spacemanspiff

2007-12-27, 11:40 AM

I know one thing. The most part of linklist owners will not change their recips. They will be upset when somebody will decline freesites because of their recips. I don't understand why to fight with each other when we could work together and help each other.

I'll help you out. If you need to change my recip to comply with someone's rules, then do it. I'm just not that picky. I'll leave it to the Greenguy's of the world to protect the naive surfers from the evils of blind links.

How's that? |huh

Shark

2007-12-28, 02:26 AM

Your links are so blind you can't even see them.

LINGER LONGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, thank you :) , i think this one (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lZzEpGBm4Uw) just maiden for you.

Silver Knight

2007-12-28, 08:11 AM

Should I allow iFrames in them? Counters? Hotlinking? Links that open in a new window? I can go on & on & on.....

The most part of linklist owners would agree with you that iFrames are bad, but in this situation you're almost the only one who declines freesites for this reason.

Greenguy

2007-12-28, 09:54 AM

The most part of linklist owners would agree with you that iFrames are bad, but in this situation you're almost the only one who declines freesites for this reason.
How can you repeatedly read questions & then go off on a tangent? I didn't ask for your opinion on why I reject for iFrames.

I asked you a specific question: Since you think that I should allow what I consider blind links in recip codes on free sites, which other rules that I have in place should I also allow recip codes to break?

Greenguy

2007-12-28, 09:54 AM

Oh, thank you :) , i think this one (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lZzEpGBm4Uw) just maiden for you.I like Iron Maiden :)

Mr Spock

2007-12-28, 11:09 AM

I like Iron Maiden :)
So do I |headbang|

sue-fl

2007-12-28, 01:32 PM

Ok I just read all 5 pages |loony|

What hasn't been answered that I can find is if putting PenisBot unlinked still considered blind?

This is a really hard call for me. Penisbot and Linkorama are always at the top in my stats for sending traffic.

I don't think it's fair to put either one of them on a mirror page. But what else can I do?

Of course no one has a right to say how the rules should be at any LL as it's up to the owner of that LL to use what ever rules they want.

I just really think this thread is a conflict between two people my opinion which I'm entitled to.

So would Kit or Greenie have a problem with being listed on a mirror page?

|peace|

Shark

2007-12-28, 05:31 PM

I like Iron Maiden :)
Who knows, Eddie, who knows...

Useless

2007-12-28, 06:01 PM

Who knows, Eddie, who knows...You don't seem to have an opinion or a point to make, so why don't you simply shut the fuck up and crawl back into your little hole? No one is amused by your mindless posts.

There's no way a goddamn child like you had any legal right to agree to the COPA terms when joining this board.

Shark

2007-12-28, 07:03 PM

oh, oh, oh... Angry mr.Useless...

Useless

2007-12-28, 07:08 PM

oh, oh, oh... Angry mr.Useless...No, I'm not angry, you moronic little twit. Your every idiotic post amuses me further and further. If you want to transform this thread into nothing more than me repeatedly humiliating you as a rebuke to your astounding immaturity and ignorance, go ahead - keep replying. I've honestly nothing better to do.

You know, I realize that there are some submitters and a lot of board lurkers who may not like me for the brash tone of my posts, but at least I never worry that I've given any reason for people to think of me as ignorant. Which is something you do with every post.

Silver Knight

2007-12-28, 11:03 PM

I asked you a specific question: Since you think that I should allow what I consider blind links in recip codes on free sites, which other rules that I have in place should I also allow recip codes to break?

Nothing, I'm agree with your other recip rules.

Maj. Stress

2007-12-29, 02:35 AM

sue-fl

2007-12-29, 01:19 PM

Sue, an unlinked "Penisbot" in the recip is acceptable at both places.

Thank-you |thumb

NoBoDy

2007-12-30, 11:35 AM

Green Titanic..

Greenguy

2007-12-30, 11:46 AM

hashbury

2007-12-31, 01:21 AM

I have no room to really be posting here, But as a porn surfer i would want to know where im going. If i seen a bunch of links all saying the same thing or remotely close to the same thing, Guess what Im not going to click on it. It appears to me gg is just giving his surfers what they deserve and thats to know what there clicking on.
But then again what do i know

NinjaSteve

2007-12-31, 03:28 AM

2007-12-31, 10:06 AM

bluefluff44

2009-06-13, 03:58 PM

One of my submissions got rejected by greenguy due to this reason I think.

What's frustrating to me is that a LL will explicitly state to use a particular recip so I do. They never mention adding text to it. It makes me think i'm following the rules correctly.

I found this thread from the rejection thread so I wanted to ask:

Am I expected to alter site's recip requirements if they don't have their site name in it?

Greenguy

2009-06-13, 05:36 PM

If you don't feel comfortable editing the text that one Link List asks you to use, you can just remove one of the recips. This applies for most rules, since not all Link Lists have the same rules.

Pagan

2009-06-14, 09:15 PM

Greenguy was one of the guys early on that understood what the surfers wanted and put rules in place to help improve the overall quality of the sites he listed. Back in the late 90's, blind links were commonly done if not expected. You could click on a link that said, "Enter Here for Porn" and it would take you through a pop-up hell to some join page that you could not get out of.

Would you trust a site enough to whip out your credit card if they pulled major nasty tricks like that? I sure wouldn't and I would be telling everyone I know to stay the hell away from that site.

If a site insists you use their recip and their format only AND it is a blind link why would you want to submit your hard work to a site that isn't honest? The good link lists will always accept a properly formatted text link and most give you examples of what they will accept. How do I know? I submit to the same sites you do and I always use a custom text table. I have never ever been rejected for it.

If you have doubts, PM or email the LL owner and ask nicely. LOOK at what other sites on that list are doing. THINK, READ, ASK. BUT, don't ever submit a blind link to a LL that clearly states in the rules that they don't accept them. If you lack the intellect or integrity to do these simple things, this is not the business for you.