hard lesson learned [Archive]

TightTeela

2007-12-04, 07:41 PM

hopefully my site wont be down for long, but even if you know someone for years i suppose its best to not do business together.

-clip from online support

teela: i need assistance with an affiliate account 100644

You are now speaking with Jason Shepard of Tech Support.

Jason Shepard: Welcome to Epoch chat. My name is Jason. How can I assist you?

teela: jason, i think it was last week i had asked for this account 100644 to be filled in with my correct info

teela: this is affiliate account that belongs to me

teela: yet i have no way of logging into this account, or where that money is going

Jason Shepard: Did you originally sign up to this account?

Jason Shepard: If so you can re-set your login here http://epochstats.com/support/aff_lost_password.php.

teela: no i believe my partner set this account up, i got this icq from him

teela: Lange ‎(5:06 PM):
Hey Reilly....can you have him log into the account he didn't get paid on see what he has in his Account Information > Personal Information
Lange ‎(5:06 PM):
This is for his affiliate account

teela: on top of that, last week, i had already asked and it appeared to be correct

Jason Shepard: Your name is on the account.

teela: yes

teela: it shows my name, and it should have my address, last week i went over this with another support person

teela: i followed the instructions , contacted support, asked them to fill in the same info as my other account, which should be as site owner

Jason Shepard: Go here and re-set the password and you will have access to that account. http://epochstats.com/support/aff_lost_password.php

Jason Shepard: Its saying confidential because I dont have access to the account information details.

teela: ok

teela: so as site owner, and epoch being my account and processor

teela: how come i can not change it?

teela: when it was already changed last week

teela: now someone, has changed it again

teela: and im not seeing the money

teela: can you tell me who else has access to my merchant account?

teela: account M-287755

Jason Shepard: Reilly is also on the account.

teela: figures as much and hence the bs i suppose

teela: am i able to remove his access?

Jason Shepard: No.

teela: why not, if i own this account?

Jason Shepard: Are you referring to the affiliate account. Or the control of the Master account.

teela: control of the master account

Jason Shepard: Your not a listed contact on the account.

teela: is that so?

teela: i thank you very much for that info

teela: and i wonder why epoch has anything to do with my site, my company, when i have no say in this account

teela: wouldnt epoch for a domain search, a company search, anything?

teela: or just take reillys word to set it up?

Jason Shepard: That would probably be better answered by your account rep.

teela: thank you for your help

Bill

2007-12-04, 08:04 PM

Ain't that the freekin truth.

Don't let other people control your money. And be cautious about the people you let have access to crucial parts of your business.

T Pat

2007-12-04, 08:31 PM

that bites

Bobc01

2007-12-04, 08:42 PM

It's better you learn now than later on when someone could of taken you for more.

NY Jester

2007-12-04, 09:31 PM

Wow, so what are you going to do? Does that mean you wont be on TightTeela anymore?

TightTeela

2007-12-04, 10:03 PM

well tightteela is mine, the domain is and the company as well. but my partner controls my hosting and i had given him access to my ccbill account in order to set up visa, so today i talked to both ccbill and epoch, on epoch, im not even listed as a contact for my own site, and on ccbill, i lost control of the account, to my us rep, who "owns" the account now, and my current partner. even tho i orginally set it up myself, a stupid choice in trust has cost me that. so i will have to move the site to my other ccbill account and to another host.

LeRoy

2007-12-04, 10:45 PM

Now I know why my wife doesn't trust me with the check book. 10 years and still no fucking way.

Teela can you contact the guy? Do you have an address? This could get very bad if he doesnt come forward for you.

RageCash-Ben

2007-12-04, 10:50 PM

Now I know why my wife doesn't trust me with the check book. 10 years and still no fucking way.

you would rip off your own wife? |confused|

Teela you need to do something about this asap, obviously.

Does this partner have an online presence or run any domains? Outing him would save other from getting screwed too.

bDok

2007-12-04, 10:56 PM

Live and learn.

sux this is happening to you. What I can say is at least you own all the content and your partner is the village idiot because after you move on and get your own hosting, processor you will be fine. He however will be only left with what he made and a burned bridge.

Keep your head up and move on. For sure while you have access to your site on the other host I would make a nice backup of it to your local harddrive asap if you haven't already.

Cheers,
B

TightTeela

2007-12-05, 01:01 AM

tickler

2007-12-05, 03:38 AM

Well maybe we can burn a few more bridges.|club|

I'll have to take a look, but, I think I have a few sponsors that supply DS to their affiliates.

Licker4U

2007-12-05, 05:17 AM

Did you have a contract with him or was it just "I'll trust you and you trust me" kind of things? Even a verbal contract can sometimes be upheld in court. Contact a lawyer. As mentioned before, if you have FTP access make a copy of everything you have on line.

LeRoy

2007-12-05, 05:40 AM

you would rip off your own wife? |confused|

Teela you need to do something about this asap, obviously.

Does this partner have an online presence or run any domains? Outing him would save other from getting screwed too.

No I wouldn't rip off my wife. I would definitely spend the money frivolously on weed and beer though. btw I was making light of the situation coming from a mans POV. Now you fucked that up.

Teela if your serious give me his contact info. I would love help you collect a debt. Or just help you in any way I can.

koolkat

2007-12-05, 09:20 AM

That sucks! I suggest getting moved to a new server and and getting the affiliate stuff set up as soon as possible. Do you have access to your content so you can move to a new host? Also let us know ASAP once you get the new affiliate stuff set up so we can pull the old links so the asshole doesn't get another of your $$$.
If you have to start from scratch on content, just let me know... I volunteer to help you with it! |couch| :D

Ramster

2007-12-05, 09:52 AM

he runs dreamsubmitter and pornsolid.com, actually found it funny there was a klix article where he says he runs my site, i suppose in his mind he thought he did. now im a half assed buddist and i think what goes around comes around.

I'm a bit confused.... he doesn't run your site? Yes I know you update it but why is he even on your account or considered your "partner"? You call him your partner, why is that?

If you have a partner JUST to get a ccbill and epoch account I'll go back to my original statement months back....join a program and have them process your site for you. You'll see 10 times the traffic from their 100's/1000's of webmasters for a small percentage. Well worth it IMO.

Jim

2007-12-05, 10:24 AM

I'm a bit confused.... he doesn't run your site? Yes I know you update it but why is he even on your account or considered your "partner"? You call him your partner, why is that?

If you have a partner JUST to get a ccbill and epoch account I'll go back to my original statement months back....join a program and have them process your site for you. You'll see 10 times the traffic from their 100's/1000's of webmasters for a small percentage. Well worth it IMO.

That is excellent advice Ramster.
As for trusting on a handshake, sometimes it works great and sometimes not. As most people know, I lost a lot of money having a dishonest partner.

GGandJ is based only on virtual handshakes. As a matter of fact, the only time anyone screwed us is when they forced us to sign a contract and they broke it :) As for Greenie and myself...shit, we have been friends and in business for too long to even think about it. :)

Bobc01

2007-12-05, 11:32 AM

Has to be one of the worst insults to have someone you trust fuck you over but as the saying goes, "don't get mad get even" and probably the best way to return the favour would be making that site a success.

Failing that smash a fucking shotgun in the guys face and see him turn into a whincing baby like figure.

Preacher

2007-12-05, 12:03 PM

Wow.

Well, any large business you get into bed with like Epoch, is going to have a contract. In fact, I just checked and Epoch's contract is 17 pages long.

If anyone gets into a business arangement with a small to large company, you need to read and sign the contract. If someone sets-up something for you, regardless of how much you trust them, you need to ask for the copy of the contract.

Yes it's boring and tedious to read, but it will cover your ass down the line and help you better understand your limitations within the agreement.

Beaver Bob

2007-12-05, 03:07 PM

best of luck Teela :(

Useless

2007-12-05, 03:16 PM

I need clarification.

Did this guy steal the site's earnings?

TightTeela

2007-12-05, 03:56 PM

basically what happened was, me and my roomate put the site together, we are canadian and ran into a road block getting visa approval, so at the time, we figured we had no choice, but to trust our friend and partner, my mistake was signing ccbill forms giving access to both my partner and his US contact, as it turns out, i signed over an account change form, so he is the owner of that ccbill account. i personally had nothing to do with epoch, my partner let me know it was critical to have another processor, and went and set up epoch, and to be honest, i thought it looked nicer, then the old look of ccbill. it wasnt until maybe 6-8 months later did i realize i wasnt listed as part of the epoch account.

when it comes to the site, i put it together, the pages, the graphics and the content that i own, i've signed nothing and there is no solid agreement. the company, zero x media, is my roomates and mine. and the domain is ours as well.

for the time being, i have put my old ccbill sign up page instead of the epoch one, and i have arraged thru a family contact to have a us contact for visa and a school chum of my roomate runs a well known site that is helping as well.

like a cat, i should land on my feet, and like i said, its basically a hard lesson learned and it's shit that it would happen with a friend.

Useless

2007-12-05, 04:01 PM

I'm going to seem like a dunce here and that's ok ;), but what is the situation? Has this other individual locked you out and keeping the money? Or is it a matter of you not feeling comfortable with his control of the Epoch account? Because it sounds like you, as a Canadian, are going to put yourself in an identical situation, just with another person.

TightTeela

2007-12-05, 07:34 PM

useless, the other US content i have is my aunt, so if she fucks me, well, there really is no one i trust more then family.

as for not being comfortable with his control of epoch, that in itself is enough to annoy me, but no thats not the problem.

about a month ago, on another board i was informed that i should double check a couple of things with my links, which got me looking around more, i noticed that in the set up section, there is an option to set yourself in as the affiliate who would get credit for any untracked affiliate sign ups or type-ins, that account wasnt mine.

i changed it to see what would happen for nov. 56 sign ups at 29.95 went to that account, those would have gone to my partner, and who knows how many more went to that account over the last 8 months, i have no way of checking.

just the other day, i went back into my epoch account to double check that i was still going to get credit, and i was annoyed at the fact that any affiliate was getting dicked around also.

nothing showed up for that account, and no money was showing in that account, my stats would not load, only giving me the option to select a date range, hitting load stats, would only bring me back to the select date page.

so i contacted support and posted what they said.

Toby

2007-12-05, 08:02 PM

So..... You don't really know if your partner has been cheating you or not, because you don't have access to the account admin's in order to check. Is that correct?

I guess question that hasn't been directly answered is, was he stealing from you or not?

It all sounds like a big clusterfuck to me, where no one really knew what the hell they were doing.

Useless

2007-12-05, 08:05 PM

i changed it to see what would happen for nov. 56 sign ups at 29.95 went to that account, those would have gone to my partner, and who knows how many more went to that account over the last 8 months, i have no way of checking.Well, he is a thieving fucker then. I bet he thought he could cleverly skim that cash right under your nose forever. I'm glad you pulled the plug on him.

Let us all know when you get things sorted. Adult webmasters can be a forgiving crowd when you're up front and honest with them. |thumb

TightTeela

2007-12-05, 08:18 PM

being that he runs www.dreamsubmitter.com and www.pornsolid.com and he set up epoch, i find it hard to believe it was a mere oversight.

as for all you guys, i wouldnt have found this out, if it wasnt for other webmasters pointing out some things, i would have just kept going as it was, and he was pushing for a contract signing, so i would have basically been screwed.

as is i have a few people on my side and helping out and i should have everything under my own control within a week or so.

but i have to get back to work, my members need their fix of me :)

spookyx

2007-12-05, 09:24 PM

spooky luvs teela :D

and it will work out

Toby

2007-12-06, 01:33 AM

The other side of the story... (rebuttal starts with post #21)

http://askdamagex.com/showthread.php?t=21903

tigermom

2007-12-06, 01:48 AM

Interesting thread you found there Toby. I guess most stories have two sides to them...

TightTeela

2007-12-06, 02:57 AM

if i wanted this private i wouldnt have posted it on a forum

Useless

2007-12-06, 08:02 AM

The other side of the story... (rebuttal starts with post #21)

http://askdamagex.com/showthread.php?t=21903Nice find.

This is why I kept asking for clarification. Did this guy somehow privately gain from the arrangement or was it a matter of his name being in a spot on the Epoch account where Teela wanted hers? |huh

Inquiring minds want to know. Has he even broken even yet?

SECONDLY I came on board 8 months ago because YOU asked me to, i then started working with you, building up the site, testing it, taking over the hosting bills ($514/mo) paying for clothes for you $1000+ lending you money for rent $200+ lending you my camera to film your shit, allowing you to take ALL profits from the site to cover your rent until the site was making more money (which it has and i still havent seen a penny.) I also payed the $750 for visa setup with epoch and did spend all the time working with epoch to setup the cascading billing with mpa3, and as told today, you were setup as a principle on the account and your company zero x media was the company klisted as owning the site. Apparantly when i set it up i missed some place where i should have put you as a contact, and thats the only reason you had this issue. And after talking to them today they said you can fax in a form saying that you would like to add yourself as a contact and it will be fine.

Fonz

2007-12-06, 08:29 AM

So the sky isn't falling after all?

Useless

2007-12-06, 08:47 AM

So the sky isn't falling after all?Not ours, anyway. ;)

Oh, here are the best questions which I don't _think_ have been addressed:
Where do your affiliates stand? Do their Epoch links work? Will they continue to get paid?

nibbler

2007-12-06, 10:08 AM

It appears that this issue has escalated as I can't even get to her site. Anyone else have this problem?

Toby

2007-12-06, 10:49 AM

Yup, 403 Forbidden here.

Never burn a bridge while you are still standing on it.

dexcool

2007-12-06, 11:17 AM

I can get to it, at least the front page.

tickler

2007-12-06, 01:10 PM

Oh, here are the best questions which I don't _think_ have been addressed:
And where did this money go for the typein traffic?
i changed it to see what would happen for nov. 56 sign ups at 29.95 went to that account, those would have gone to my partner, and who knows how many more went to that account over the last 8 months, i have no way of checking.
$1800 for one month only.

Side note: And sponsors keep telling us that type in traffic is a very small percentage

Preacher

2007-12-06, 01:38 PM

Oh, here are the best questions which I don't _think_ have been addressed:
Where do your affiliates stand? Do their Epoch links work? Will they continue to get paid?
As of this morning my Epoch link still went through, but if Teela has killed the members area every sale is going to be disputed.

Teela that was a bad move to remove your site from the server. Current members have no way to access the site now....

NY Jester

2007-12-06, 02:17 PM

Never burn a bridge while you are still standing on it.

yeah that is a very long fall. The bottom of the porn ladder reaches far away depths. Ouch!

My biggest concern and it STILL hasn't been addressed..is will the Epoch click throughs and Sign-Ups convert?

Beaver Bob

2007-12-06, 02:21 PM

so is the site going back up or do we need to remove our links? :(

i'd really try to get your site up. disputes and all that bullshit suck, but without the site, NO ONE is making any money and you are going to be in chargeback hell.

bDok

2007-12-06, 02:39 PM

The other side of the story... (rebuttal starts with post #21)

http://askdamagex.com/showthread.php?t=21903

the plot thickens indeed.

|egg|

Ramster

2007-12-06, 02:45 PM

What happened to her site? Maybe the members area is still working.

Must have lost the hosting?

Toby

2007-12-06, 03:04 PM

What happened to her site? Maybe the members area is still working.

Must have lost the hosting?
Most recent post by Nifield on other board answers that question. It would also appear that the person posting as TightTeela isn't really Teela.

I would suggest removing your links to tight teela, the owner has now taken down the site and im sure you will see a lot of chargebacks and 0 return on any traffic you send as of now. I'm sorry I even had my name involved with this, as it is unfair of him to punish webmasters by doing this because of some nightmare he has fabricated in his mind. I apologize to any webmasters on my behalf, as i tried to salvage this, but apparantly Dennis (Tightteela) is dilusional.

Useless

2007-12-06, 04:32 PM

Well, he is a thieving fucker then. I bet he thought he could cleverly skim that cash right under your nose forever. I'm glad you pulled the plug on him.I hereby officially apologize for that statement. I don't know Nifield, but it was obviously an error in judgment for me to say that about him without knowing anywhere near the full story, or even understanding the side I was hearing.

Sorry Nifield.

koolkat

2007-12-06, 04:43 PM

Well... I am officially confused! |huh So who exactly is Teelah? Who is the girl on the site if Teelah is really Dennis. And who's rent is Nifield paying for... Teelah or Dennis? Is Dennis the guy in the pictures/movies on the site? Who is from Canada? Oh... and by the way, the site is up for me.

Bobc01

2007-12-06, 05:13 PM

Beaver Bob

2007-12-06, 06:27 PM

spooky luvs teela :D

LOL

well I took my links down :(

spookyx

2007-12-06, 07:19 PM

LOL

well I took my links down :(

I know both teela and dennis

Licker4U

2007-12-06, 07:43 PM

I know both teela and dennis

So Teela is the chick in the avatar and on the site and Dennis is her new "partner" and Dennis is making all the posts in her name? I'm so confused...|huh

Other than a few broken images the site comes up for me. My temp user/pass has expired so I don't know about the members area.

ArtWilliams

2007-12-06, 08:07 PM

This whole thing was much hotter when TightTeela was a woman. Dennis as TightTeela? Not so much.

T Pat

2007-12-06, 08:45 PM

This whole thing was much hotter when TightTeela was a woman. Dennis as TightTeela? Not so much.

You got that right |badidea|

Useless

2007-12-06, 09:59 PM

I know both teela and dennisSo the real question here is, which one does Spooky think is more hot?

Or better yet: which is more tight?

:D

Beaver Bob

2007-12-06, 10:08 PM

So Teela is the chick in the avatar and on the site and Dennis is her new "partner" and Dennis is making all the posts in her name? I'm so confused...|huh

Other than a few broken images the site comes up for me. My temp user/pass has expired so I don't know about the members area.

i'm still getting a 403 error here

spookyx

2007-12-06, 10:13 PM

So the real question here is, which one does Spooky think is more hot?

Or better yet: which is more tight?

:D

you know your my one and only

|boobies|

tigermom

2007-12-07, 12:24 AM

lol do you know what's so funny about this?

The fact that so many people jumped on her (|pokefun|his) first post with the vision of her (|pokefun|him) being some hot chick. |jester| |jester|

True enough. I was amused with all of her previous threads, basically with the responses from male webmasters here.

Important tip - if you want to get tons of help, affiliates and all that, pretend to be a woman, preferably a babe, preferably a teen babe and watch it all roll in...

Here's a long aside (not directed at Teela and not directly related to this). Back in my youth, I remember discovering the amazing influence a long legged busty blonde has on men. I had my babe period in my early twenties, and I went all the way with it... Dyed my hair blonde and let it grow long and sexy, switched to contacts, changed my clothing style to short skirts and generous cleavages, nice makeup and a big smile - you get the picture. You won't believe how it easy it is to get anything you want when you look like that (from men that is). Discounts, help with this and that, gifts from shop owners, the (male) world just smiles at you and lets you have your way. It was a fascinating experiment in understanding how men work (not that complicated really ;)) and it got me an awesome husband too!

Bobc01

2007-12-07, 03:40 AM

True enough. I was amused with all of her previous threads, basically with the responses from male webmasters here.

Important tip - if you want to get tons of help, affiliates and all that, pretend to be a woman, preferably a babe, preferably a teen babe and watch it all roll in...

Here's a long aside (not directed at Teela and not directly related to this). Back in my youth, I remember discovering the amazing influence a long legged busty blonde has on men. I had my babe period in my early twenties, and I went all the way with it... Dyed my hair blonde and let it grow long and sexy, switched to contacts, changed my clothing style to short skirts and generous cleavages, nice makeup and a big smile - you get the picture. You won't believe how it easy it is to get anything you want when you look like that (from men that is). Discounts, help with this and that, gifts from shop owners, the (male) world just smiles at you and lets you have your way. It was a fascinating experiment in understanding how men work (not that complicated really ;)) and it got me an awesome husband too!

lol The best way to get yourself own3d on a public forum |jester|

I was married to a blonde so i guess i'm a veteran to the tricks they play to get what they want. :D

LeRoy

2007-12-07, 10:06 AM

OMG so Teela is a dude. I was wondering why she wouldn't do any content with me. I guess you really have to be careful here at the www

lassiter

2007-12-07, 01:11 PM

lassiter

2007-12-07, 01:26 PM

Why not both? |club|

Oh well, now that I managed to wade through the whole thread - never mind. My soul needs a shower now. |bullshit|

TightTeela

2007-12-07, 04:26 PM

i should be on defending myself, but anything i say, can just be argued.

i can't believe that our partner could put a tiny seed of doubt, ie trying to confused to issue, that i am not who i say, anyone thats talked to us knows that me and my roomate live together and our partners, so chit chat and what not i do, is it too hard to believe i can type? i have a myspace and facebook, using a forum isnt hard, and i use this one because it isnt an asshole fest like others i've seen.

the real issue isnt if im typing or d is typing, it is that we've been getting ripped off for months and our mistake was obviously mentioning it, or trying to fight back at all.

TightTeela

2007-12-07, 04:32 PM

and tigermom you are exactly right, and d knows this as well, hence im the face and the forum person, you want to know something about the site inner workings, that his responsibilty. i'm a hostess and model, not a computer expert. does that make me any less valuable? after months of being friendly , having us over, my partners real opinion of me was expressed on another board

"LOL Dennis you HAVE no credibility. and stop trying to talk like you ARE Teela, because we all know Teela only does one thing, and thats suck cock, and she can barely manage that as the last update to her site was nov 11th. Great work ethic i thought."

yes i perform, but im not a crack whore, i work with 1 person ive known for years, and im generally happy with the site, except for this latest bullshit.

TightTeela

2007-12-07, 04:35 PM

on top of that, you fucking prick, you make a living off girls like me what are willing to perform for men like you.

i would love to see you pull that attitude in person to any of the better known actresses or actors.

Bobc01

2007-12-07, 04:47 PM

Ummm, who you directing that at Dennis/Teela |huh ??

Toby

2007-12-07, 04:58 PM

Tekster

2007-12-07, 05:09 PM

Well, I've read all of this thread and all of that thread on the other board, and I don't see where Teela/Dennis has been ripped off at all. In fact it looks to me as though Reilly has put more money in than he's taken out.

Same here Toby. I have no idea where this is going and I don't see what the big deal is. Is the fact that Teela / Denis have no control over the account at Epoch, is it a money issue, what the hell is it?

I hate to say this but it confused the hell out of me. Anyway, the site being off line does not help matters in any way and so I took all the links down and all the free sites and galleries are going to be removed.

Sorry it came down to this but I have no choice, and I know I am not the only one.

2007-12-07, 05:22 PM

I just love internet drama...and the fact that I never could get my affiliate codes to work...:D

LeRoy

2007-12-07, 08:03 PM

hmmm. maybe it was directed toward me. No problem I can be the bad guy on this one. Yes I do talk to you girls like this right to their face. I felt like I have been duped and I don't know if I am taking to a dude or some other person entirely. Maybe Teela is a myth or something |huh

It was funny how I was talking to Barbie and Jeri( friends of my content provider) about you and showed them your introduction thread. We talked how easy it would be for them to do what you did because the response you received here was very good. Anyway there should have been 2 people in the thread for introduction.

Also you should never assume I make a living off the girls. And actually I have not made any $$ at all. I actually spend not make $$ every month . So I think this is officially my hobby. We have helped get some of the girls $$ and work for other programs. Putting money in their pockets not ours. Those girls above just got new cars and trucks while I'm still rollin in my beater. So think about what you say before you say. I actually asked you if i could help you too so.... now this is on you whoever you are Dennis, Teela , I'm over it

Useless

2007-12-07, 08:53 PM

Well, I've read all of this thread and all of that thread on the other board, and I don't see where Teela/Dennis has been ripped off at all. In fact it looks to me as though Reilly has put more money in than he's taken out.Yeah, I just read the DamageX thread again and Nifield's chat log with the guys at Epoch does a great job of showing that he's no thief. Hell, it looks like he wasn't even bothering to log in there and check how much he was making let alone steal from his partners. And Dennis wasn't getting his checks because he never updated his payment address. That's classic. What a fucking shame. Sounds like they all could have done well if they would have followed Nifield's experience and knowledge. Teela's site is dead and their profit potential is shot. What a shame.

TightTeela

2007-12-07, 09:11 PM

d2222 , sorry for any confusion, any comment was directed at reilly.

we knew this would get ugly and reilly can say whatever he likes to save face.

would we blow two years of work and the sites repuatation unless it was necessary?

anything further anyone needs, private msg or get us on icq.

Beaver Bob

2007-12-07, 10:10 PM

do you realize your members area is open? any traffic to your tour is getting free access to your content :(

Toby

2007-12-07, 10:11 PM

Teela/Dennis the evidence you've given just doesn't back up your claims, and even if it did, you've handled this all in a very unprofessional manner.

ronnie

2007-12-08, 05:14 PM

Beaver Bob

2007-12-08, 07:58 PM

do you realize your members area is open? any traffic to your tour is getting free access to your content :(

Its still open for anyone :(

ronnie

2007-12-08, 08:21 PM

Guessing their hosting bill might be a little higher this month.

koolkat

2007-12-09, 04:41 PM

Guessing their hosting bill might be a little higher this month.Who is going to pay for that? |noclue|

T Pat

2007-12-09, 06:41 PM

what a clusterfuck |loony|

Tommy

2007-12-09, 09:33 PM

at the risk of sounding like one of the shop owners in tigermoms town, I think you guys are being a little hard on Dennis and Teela

I talk to them on icq and he always tells me when its him and not Teela

if any of you had a paysite and one day you woke up and found out that your partner had afflaite accounts for typeins etc etc etc, and you had no control over any of it what so ever I bet all of you would be singing a different tune

this is what happens with partners on the internet
anyone thats been online a few years has been through it

the rest of you will also go through it (yes you) and its always EXACTLY the same story ....
he didnt do this, she did that, he took this

its always messy and painfull
from my experence I wouldnt be so quick to point fingers

Ramster

2007-12-10, 09:39 AM

I think the big issue here is Teela and Dennis using one account. That's deception. They should have 2 separate accounts at this board, not one.

I personally have no problem with their "partner" lending them money, happens all the time. But I do have a problem with their partner having an account in HIS name taking the type-ins. BUT it appears that was not done on purpose and he (Nifield) has not been paid out on that account. So all seems legit there.

Looks to me that Nifield did nothing wrong and has been a standup guy trying to help them get the site off the ground. Trying to help them for a percentage of the business/sales.

Dennis and Teela should NEVER have taken this to the boards until they found out if Nifield had been paid out on those type-in sales and now we know he hasn't. Dennis and Teela should have joined a program when they started then there would be no problems like they have now.

Unprofessional IMO but that happens with "newer" webmasters/site owners.

Tommy

2007-12-10, 09:48 AM

but Nifield does know what he is doing and he did sign up for that affliate account, right ???

the way I see it
its teela's site, he may have paid for the hosting but she has a small site. no hosted gallerys so the hosting bill was probably next to nothing

NY Jester

2007-12-10, 12:17 PM

Just to touch on what Tommy said. I can vouche that it can and in most cases "happen" to you. I wasnt "screwed" so to speak, but I was working pretty much exclusively with a couple during my first years as an adult webmaster. We had contracts in place and re-upped them every 6 months. Well after the site had grown, following the 2nd year of working with them they decided that they no longer wanted a partnership and took the responsibility on themselves. The site had been established, they were retaining members for an avg. of 2 months after initial signup and went at it alone. I had no choice and after my rebills stopped so did the cash flow. It was an investment in time, that had paid off for a short period, but I had only put my "eggs" in one basket. And even though I had done all the work to get the traffic to the site, designed the site, revamped the site, it was STILL their site. They owned the domain, they owned the content, the hosting, the ccbill account, I was just merely an affiliate - so to speak. And once they decided to go in another direction and not renew our contract, I was left with no income from all the hard work. Live and Learn. It works both ways. All parties involved in this will bounce back, if they have any intentions of staying with the adult business.

Tommy

2007-12-10, 04:16 PM

well that is the whole thing
basically Teela is reduced to being just an affiliate of her own site

the site uses her name on the whois etc etc she has all the legal risk and its her nude pics and videos and in the end she is just an affliate

Nifield doesnt have to worry about his mother seeing naked pics him or being recognized at the mall etc etc

NY Jester

2007-12-10, 04:40 PM

Tommy, I followed you until the naked pics and being recognized. I dont think anyone put a gun to her head to pose, thats her choice. Im with you on the taking the risk and responsibility of the site and things of that nature but if she were worried about being noticed by neighbors/family/friends maybe being a featured porn actress may not be the wisest of career moves. She needs a sit down, with or without a lawyer and hash out a contract that will be beneficial to all parties involved. Just my opinion.

Toby

2007-12-10, 05:04 PM

Nearly a year ago Teela/Denis were given alot of good advice on this board and on at least one other. As far as I can tell they chose to ignore most of that advice. We're now seeing the consequences of those choices. But that's water under the proverbial bridge at this point.

What I find most disturbing in this whole ordeal over the last few days, regardless of who is or isn't being cheated, is that the actions taken have been with total disregard to existing affiliates. Once you open an affiliate program and ask others to promote your product then anything you decide to do in regards to that product must take into consideration the effects it will have on those affiliates.

As for being seen and recognized, no sympathy here either. That comes with the territory.

CaptainJSparrow

2007-12-13, 12:33 PM

I'll throw my two cents in here, just because, well, because I've got two cents. First, it seems like a big mess between Teela (Melissa) and her roomate (Dennis) and Reilly. I don't think it's all that difficult to determine who the "players" are in this situation. Teela is the girl in the movies, Dennis is the guy in the movies, and Reilly is the person who was originally supposed to get 20% of the revenue. As for who was posting as Teela, yep it'd be nice to know who you're talking to but not an utter necessity. Their business problems are just that, their business problems and not really my business.

As for the website, the members section is open for all to view so the folks that signed up are not getting screwed because they can still see what they paid for...so what if everyone can see that right now.

Teela and Dennis, Reilly too if you're still involved...hope ya'll all work it out to everyone's satisfaction.

When ya'll get the site accepting new paying members again, I'll be glad to promote it in my amateurs section: http://debauchery.com/nudeamateurs.htm

PM me here, or icq me when you're ready, if you're interested.

Good luck to all of you.

CJS

Bobc01

2007-12-13, 12:59 PM

They'll both probably be serving burgers next week.

Jim

2007-12-13, 01:01 PM

I have been screwed out of a 20% percent deal myself and it sucks. Not taking one side or another but it does hurt.

And, I used to do business with a couple of different women. They both had husbands that never posted or talked on icq. When I ran into them at a show, neither woman knew what I was talking about when I discussed business. Of course their husbands knew everything :) Having the fact that I was lied to about who I was talking to ended all business relationships.

If you can't trust who you are talking to, what about them can you trust?

Toby

2007-12-13, 01:16 PM

They'll both probably be serving burgers next week.yawantfrieswiththat?

Bobc01

2007-12-13, 01:29 PM

yawantfrieswiththat?

lol yeah, just aslong as they don't jiz in the milkshake.

LeRoy

2007-12-13, 02:51 PM

lol yeah, just aslong as they don't jiz in the milkshake.

Unless it's Teela's . But are we sure it's from Teela?

Bobc01

2007-12-13, 03:39 PM

Unless it's Teela's . But are we sure it's from Teela?

Well even if it was hers it's gonna have his in it so best to play it safe i guess. |jester|

GunnCat

2007-12-13, 06:18 PM

Generally speaking, talent can be trusted about as far as you can throw them.

Beaver Bob

2007-12-13, 09:21 PM

As for the website, the members section is open for all to view so the folks that signed up are not getting screwed because they can still see what they paid for...so what if everyone can see that right now.

what sucks is that the webmasters who are sending traffic are giving their surfers free access to a members area. |huh

NY Jester

2007-12-13, 11:47 PM

I agree Bob..webmasters that were promoting them heavy, are losing out in the long run. Wasted bandwidth for zero return. Im sure as anyone is concerned this program is dead.

SheepGuy

2007-12-13, 11:53 PM

tigermom

2007-12-14, 05:16 AM

I hear ya! That's why I like skype, or even a plain old phone. If someone can't be honest with you about what sex they are, how far should you trust them?

I can vouch that you do NOT sound like a girl, Sheepguy!

Bobc01

2007-12-14, 05:45 AM

I can vouch that you do NOT sound like a girl, Sheepguy!

Being a jock he does dress like one. |jester|

Jim

2007-12-14, 09:43 AM

I hear ya! That's why I like skype, or even a plain old phone. If someone can't be honest with you about what sex they are, how far should you trust them?

There was no skype back then. It's kind of sad...unless I speak or meet the webmaster that claims to be a woman in person, I assume they are lying. :) Well, not everyone, but a lot.

spacemanspiff

2007-12-14, 10:48 AM

Generally speaking, talent can be trusted about as far as you can throw them.

Generally speaking, some people should keep their opinions to themselves, you being one of them. |crazy|

what sucks is that the webmasters who are sending traffic are giving their surfers free access to a members area.

Just a thought....STOP!!! |huh

GunnCat

2007-12-14, 02:30 PM

Generally speaking, some people should keep their opinions to themselves, you being one of them. |crazy|

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but producers deal with problems like this all the time. Of course it's not always like that, which is why I made the comment about being 'generally speaking'.

GonZo

2007-12-14, 07:48 PM

There was no skype back then. It's kind of sad...unless I speak or meet the webmaster that claims to be a woman in person, I assume they are lying. :) Well, not everyone, but a lot.

Serge and Mike AI both have told you they were sorry.
hahaahaha

SheepGuy

2007-12-14, 08:36 PM

I can vouch that you do NOT sound like a girl, Sheepguy!

LOL! And you are definitely all woman ;) That sultry Sabra accent is a kilt raiser as well :D

SheepGuy

2007-12-14, 08:51 PM

Being a jock he does dress like one. |jester|

Hmm.. only on special occasions ;) You've got to be secure in your masculinity to wear a kilt on a cold day |jester|

Bobc01

2007-12-15, 01:19 PM

Hmm.. only on special occasions ;) You've got to be secure in your masculinity to wear a kilt on a cold day |jester|

I should imagine you'd have to be secure it wouldn't drop off in the weather you guys get in Canada. |boobies|

reggs12

2009-06-08, 03:23 PM

Wow that sounds like a royal screw job. Don't fret that shit will come back to him in spades.

Torn Rose

2009-06-08, 03:47 PM

Welcome to almost 2 years ago...

nate

2009-06-08, 04:25 PM

My advice, talk to an American attorney.

Tommy

2009-06-09, 09:30 AM

so what do you guys think.. will Obama beat McCain or what ??

nibbler

2009-06-09, 09:48 AM

so what do you guys think.. will Obama beat McCain or what ??
|jester|

Tekster

2009-06-09, 10:26 AM

so what do you guys think.. will Obama beat McCain or what ??

|haha

Thumbler

2009-06-09, 06:49 PM

so what do you guys think.. will Obama beat McCain or what ??

He'll have to beat Hillary first |jester|

Wazza

2009-06-09, 07:24 PM

What's an Obama?

BadWolf

2009-06-09, 11:27 PM

My advice, talk to an American attorney.

Sure, if he can time travel.

SheepGuy

2009-06-09, 11:36 PM

My advice, talk to an American attorney.

Personally, I'd go for a Tralfalmadorian attorney, they are very short, and only communicate by farting and tap dancing, but they have cool little ships and are asexual, much like Dennis/Teela |huh

nnwebgirls

2009-06-10, 01:05 AM

Apparantly when i set it up i missed some place where i should have put you as a contact, and thats the only reason you had this issue.

I don't believe this crap that Reilly wrote. He is so sharp with everything, managing this, setting up this code, that program, creating this, that, and then all of a sudden he just had a total mind fuck brain freeze when it came to the point where he had to list you as a contact for the site? Nah, bullshit. Teela, I have had friends fuck me (figuratively) that I thought were helping me. Most people like this really will do some good things to help you, they do them and it helps them justify their dishonest behavior.

Hey with friends like that, who needs enemies. It seems to me that he figured you were stupid and would never figure out something that slick, but I guess he was wrong huh?

Stick with the one person who won't ever let you down, yourself. Best of luck to you.

Notorious Nick