WTF?

[lassiter]

Anyone have a clue how this could be legit? Sounds like they're gonna charge money for surfers to see my content off of free sites and galleries that I built for other sponsors.

[EDIT: OK, the random checks I did show they're offering up full galleries with the affiliate codes intact, and not in a frame, at least so far.]

Considering that nowadays an OK conversion ratio is 1:1000 this means that 99.9% of your traffic is free loaders. Now imagine if you can convert those?
Well, that's what you will be able to do with the site we are announcing now!
This site is GetPorn24.com and you can log-in into the BucksMania partners area and start promoting it right now!

In case you want to read a little bit more, here is how it actually works :)

There are tons of free porn on the net, so much that there isnt a paysite which can compete to that, so the majority of people never find the need to join a paysite.
Here comes the question, how to squeeze some money from those people? Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy.

That's what GetPorn24.com does! In short its, powerful porn only search engine, the results are 100% pics and movie galleries, 100% clean and on target. There are no sponsor FHGs, its all fresh galleries spidered from all the web daily which guarantees quality of the results!
The first page results for all categories are free, so we can tease them and show what the site delivers. If they want access to all the results they will have to pay a tiny fee of $4.99 per month. Here is how you make money, you get 50% to 100% from that fee depending on volumes (everything about that is explaned on the main page of BucksMania.com)

The amount per sale you get may be small, but please note we are targeting free loaders here, from which otherwise you will get nothing. Also considering that right now you make money from just about 0.01% from your traffic we suppose that the quantity of sales here will be much bigger.
This is great upsell for any type of site and traffic! Throwing just few banners on your side will be enough.

This may be the next big thing so make sure you give it a try now!

[Useless]

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

Another thought: would 50% of $4.99 really be worth the effort and space required to promote this potentially illegal conglomerated hunk o' shit?

[NY Jester]

There are no sponsor FHGs

It looks like its a Sex Search Engine that will spider out to pick up Galleries and MGPs that are online. It doesnt say its using sponsor back-ends or anything of that nature. To me it seems like its going to categorize the galleries and mgps much like 'picture view' does with Usenet postings. Seems from what I can read that it will be a huge link list to free porn, and will pick up on clean galleries, and just link to them. So Im assuming and I could be wrong, that if you have a clean free gallery out there and the spider picks it up you'll be listed within this search engine and may pick up some sales. Minimal Im sure but sales none the less.

[Useless]

So Im assuming and I could be wrong, that if you have a clean free gallery out there and the spider picks it up you'll be listed within this search engine and may pick up some sales. Minimal Im sure but sales none the less.But...if you contacted your sponsors and said, "hey, I'm going to use your content to build galleries and free sites and then charge people to see them," how do you think those sponsors would react? I'm guessing that many of them would give you the big F U and cancel your account.

[tickler]

Hmmm......
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=44007

[NY Jester]

U.W, Im in no way promoting this at all. Im just assuming (and ya know what that means) that regardless of whether you or I or Joe Dirt Webmaster promotes this, the spiders or crawlers they have will pick up the galleries anyway. And basically, this means that the "freeloaders" that they are targeting, wont give up a frikken dime to "us" the gallery and free site owners because they're already paying the $4.99 fee. So who gets fucked in the long run is "us" the ones that spend hard time promoting sponsors and the sponsors themselves. Im in total agreement with you, its a shit set-up, I dont think its illegal but it still stinks of shit and piss. And any idiot that signs on to promote it will just be cutting his/her own throat, 'cause I'd rather make 50% of $30 than 50% of $5..and who said the math I was taught in high school wouldnt be used when I was older?!

[lassiter]

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

That was certainly my take on it.

Looks like BucksMania is on the boards - maybe they can explain/defend themselves?

[LowryBigwood]

I agree with UW, if they are making money charging to show other sponsors content then I would imagine some future problems.

I also like how they know what percentage of our traffic is freeloaders. Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

[Useless]

Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?That's the beauty of their sales pitch. There's free porn all over the net, and we'll give you all the free porn you want for only $4.99!
It's so stupid, it's almost genius. |shocking|

[NY Jester]

how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

because they are going to market something like "Get it All In One Place" - they have to find your site to get it free, with the site they are proposing they'll already "have" it all. I checked out the site, and they set it up much like a skimmed TGP, some link to actual galleries and others link to their login/join page. I think its pretty shitty that "we" as webmasters bust our ass and they could possibly reap the benefits.

Has anyone tried to contact them on the board?

J-

|jester|

[Mr Spock]

Why is a freeloader going to pay $4.99 for free porn , when for $1 he can get a three day trial with access to loads of porn.

[NY Jester]

Mr Spock..Im agreeing that a freeloader is looking for free porn, but he has to surf alot to get what he/she wants sometimes. The low price tag may entice them enough to score a ID/PW for this site and just keep surfing page after page of indexed free galleries/sites and what have you.

Why is a freeloader going to pay $4.99 for free porn , when for $1 he can get a three day trial with access to loads of porn.


If you break down a full 30 day month he'd have to shell out a whopping $10 and the hassle of cancelling memberships, crazy transactions showing on the Credit Card - when for $5 he can get 30 days of an even larger amount of porn all in one place, one bill one cancellation when he wants. Its the convenience factor and the amount he can get on the cheap.

[Fking]

Hello
I'm the owner of the program and site in question, let me try to explane how this really works and why we are not violating any laws.

GetPorn24 is a search engine, just like google.com (well more like images.google.com) it spiders publicly submitted content. In our case we have set the spider to filters and show only galleries, so we can provide categorised and quality, porn only, results.
We output links to the original gallery, without changing any ref codes, using frames or other kind of tricks. We send targeted free traffic to your galleries just like google does.

The only difference with the other search engines is our monetizing model.
- They use your content to provide quality service and then profit from ads on their sites.
- We run an ad free site and instead profit from the tiny fee we charge the surfer. This charge is for the convenience to use an ads free site and have the possibility to search and easy find whatever porn they need.

So, the surfer gets convinient service, you (the gallery submitters) get FREE TARGETED traffic, and we get the fee :)

[Fking]

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

How is linking to galleries illegal? We do not host anything on our side but 1 thumb per gallery. (is images.google.com illegal? Are the thumb TGPs who use gallery filler databases illegal?)


Another thought: would 50% of $4.99 really be worth the effort and space required to promote this potentially illegal conglomerated hunk o' shit?


As explaned in the sales text in the first post, YES the amount per sale is small, but its about quantity here. And also you get some money from free loaders, from which otherwise you get nothing.
Also right now just 0.01% of your traffic is actually joining a paysite, so the quantity of sales here should be much bigger.
What's the matter if you get just $2.50 per sale if you make 20 times more sales for the same traffic?

[Fking]

It looks like its a Sex Search Engine that will spider out to pick up Galleries and MGPs that are online. It doesnt say its using sponsor back-ends or anything of that nature. To me it seems like its going to categorize the galleries and mgps much like 'picture view' does with Usenet postings. Seems from what I can read that it will be a huge link list to free porn, and will pick up on clean galleries, and just link to them. So Im assuming and I could be wrong, that if you have a clean free gallery out there and the spider picks it up you'll be listed within this search engine and may pick up some sales. Minimal Im sure but sales none the less.

Thank you for understanding our conception :)

[Fking]

But...if you contacted your sponsors and said, "hey, I'm going to use your content to build galleries and free sites and then charge people to see them," how do you think those sponsors would react? I'm guessing that many of them would give you the big F U and cancel your account.

Well its more like "Hey im going to use your content to build free galleries, because i hope that this new paid search engine will pick them up and send us some free targeted traffic, which may bring us sales"

[Fking]

U.W, Im in no way promoting this at all. Im just assuming (and ya know what that means) that regardless of whether you or I or Joe Dirt Webmaster promotes this, the spiders or crawlers they have will pick up the galleries anyway. And basically, this means that the "freeloaders" that they are targeting, wont give up a frikken dime to "us" the gallery and free site owners because they're already paying the $4.99 fee. So who gets fucked in the long run is "us" the ones that spend hard time promoting sponsors and the sponsors themselves. Im in total agreement with you, its a shit set-up, I dont think its illegal but it still stinks of shit and piss.

A lot of people google for "free porn" and they end like members of a paysite if they really like it.
If someone wants to join the site you are promoting, i dont think that the fact that he has paid $4.99 earlier to some other site will stop him



And any idiot that signs on to promote it will just be cutting his/her own throat, 'cause I'd rather make 50% of $30 than 50% of $5..and who said the math I was taught in high school wouldnt be used when I was older?!

Why not do both? Promote $30 paysites and offer to the people who are not interested in a paysite a $4.99 porn search engine

[Fking]

I agree with UW, if they are making money charging to show other sponsors content then I would imagine some future problems.

We show links to other sponsors content, linking is not illegal
We charge for the convinience to have it all easy searchable, the other search engines "charge" by showing ads.
We are ads free, but there is a fee :)



I also like how they know what percentage of our traffic is freeloaders.


We take that 1:1000 is an OK conversion ratio in nowadays
that means that from 1000 people, 999 dont join and just one joins.
1 is 0.01% from 1000
that means that in this case 99.9% are free loaders for the current site


Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

"Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy.
"

[Fking]

because they are going to market something like "Get it All In One Place" - they have to find your site to get it free, with the site they are proposing they'll already "have" it all. I checked out the site, and they set it up much like a skimmed TGP, some link to actual galleries and others link to their login/join page. I think its pretty shitty that "we" as webmasters bust our ass and they could possibly reap the benefits.

Has anyone tried to contact them on the board?

J-

|jester|


The results on every first page for every categorie are free to click (except the last row) if you want second page and so on results, a join page appears.
That way the surfers can see what the site is about and what delivers and if he wants more results he will has to join.

In the first case if you get traffic from the first page where its free to use, you get free targeted, traffic
in the second case, you get free, targeted, card holders, traffic

We send you the traffic, its up to you to convert it or not, even if they have paid the $4.99 fee on our side, i dont think that would stop them to join your site if they really like it, since we offer only free galleries porn.

[Fking]

Mr Spock..Im agreeing that a freeloader is looking for free porn, but he has to surf alot to get what he/she wants sometimes. The low price tag may entice them enough to score a ID/PW for this site and just keep surfing page after page of indexed free galleries/sites and what have you.




If you break down a full 30 day month he'd have to shell out a whopping $10 and the hassle of cancelling memberships, crazy transactions showing on the Credit Card - when for $5 he can get 30 days of an even larger amount of porn all in one place, one bill one cancellation when he wants. Its the convenience factor and the amount he can get on the cheap.

yes true, but we target people who will be satisfied with 10-20 pics per model or few 20sec clips in other words free loaders. People who will be satisfied with free content only.
If they want real movies and big pics galleries they will still have to join a paysite.
So we are not directly competing with the paysites we just supply for a different kind of demand

[Fking]

Well, please let me know how it looks after i explaned all the questionable aspects of the conception? :)

[Useless]

GetPorn24 is a search engine, just like google.com (well more like images.google.com) it spiders publicly submitted content. When was the last time that you paid to see Google's search results? Though Google does indirectly (via advertising) profit from it's ability to deliver search results, it doesn't charge in order to display other people's content. Even with their business model, they've faced many copyright and trademark infringement lawsuits.

Over the years, I've seen people suggest that link list and TGP owners could increase their profits by protecting their archived listings with an AVS. But the one argument that comes up and knocks it down, over and over again, is that charging to show other people's content without proper licensing is a big fucking problem.

Trust me, I want to make money every way I can, but I smell cease and desist orders and lawsuits for that business model.

I responded in your SPAM thread too. http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showpost.php?p=375338&postcount=4 :D

[Fking]

When was the last time that you paid to see Google's search results? Though Google does indirectly (via advertising) profit from it's ability to deliver search results, it doesn't charge in order to display other people's content.


Let me say it again, we do not charge for access to other peoples content, we dont own it, we dont host it.
We charge them to use the full functionallity of our site.
And the site delivers links, just links! And again linking is legall!
And if we choose to profit from ads or charge for the service we provide, is completly up to us, since both ways are legal.
Just the other model is pretty much over used, so we decided to try with ads-free but paid site.





Trust me, I want to make money every way I can, but I smell cease and desist orders and lawsuits for that business model.

I dont see lawsuits coming from gallery submitters receiving free targeted traffic. Neither they will have legal reason to do so, since im free to link to whatever i want as long as its not CP or hate/racism propaganda....
The fact that i charge for full access to my site doesnt change that. I dont sell content i sell functionallity, i sell service....


edit: my spam thread is in the spam section :)
btw you have answer there too

Also what about discusssing this normally, without hate-oriented comments? You are grown man, long enough in the biz, lets keep it professional and in a good manner?

[NY Jester]

I myself just think there is a fine line. And all depending on how its perceived/received is going to make the difference.

[lassiter]

Also what about discusssing this normally, without hate-oriented comments? You are grown man, long enough in the biz, lets keep it professional and in a good manner?

I think UW is being quite polite. Especially for him. :)

I'm sure you got advice from your attorneys telling you this is a legally-safe way to proceed. I suspect you could get another perfectly valid legal opinion strongly advising you not to do it.

It's not the affiliates who are likely to file cease-and-desist orders, but rather other large sponsors, who may not be very happy that content they have licensed to webmasters solely for the purpose of free promotion of their programs is being used as a sales tool to profit one of their competitors.

[Greenguy]

Ok - let's try something.

http://www.getporn24.com/?cat=Uniform&button_search=Search&page=0&type=both

On the uniform page, there's a link to an Extreme Paycheck gallery:
http://galleries.filthynurses.com/hg/juli2/index.htm?randtour.php?cfree=milfseeker

I'll hit up Extreme John & then he can post if he's ok with this company charging surfers to view his hosted galleries.

****

Side Note: does anyone else giggle when they read that this site has a "search" option? Since when is a drop down menu of category pages a "search"?

[Fking]

Ok - let's try something.

http://www.getporn24.com/?cat=Uniform&button_search=Search&page=0&type=both

On the uniform page, there's a link to an Extreme Paycheck gallery:
http://galleries.filthynurses.com/hg/juli2/index.htm?randtour.php?cfree=milfseeker

I'll hit up Extreme John & then he can post if he's ok with this company charging surfers to view his hosted galleries.



Yes, please do that, i would like to get some more opinions
Im legally backed up, but still i dont want to step on anyones toes.
But please dont forget to mention to him, that he is getting targeted traffic to his galleries for free

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Side Note: does anyone else giggle when they read that this site has a "search" option? Since when is a drop down menu of category pages a "search"?

Well actually it is, it really searches through the database, since the index is updated constantly

It's realised like a dropdown search because thats the only way to have everything properly categorised, and pretty much improves the user experience. Also its easier to see the wide range of categories we offer

[docholly]

Actually a few years ago I thought it would be a great concept for a LL owner or TGP owner to have a Portal system where the bookmarkers/surfers could pay a monthly fee (like 4.95) and subscribe to their particular 'fetish'/fetishes. Fresh new content would be delivered to their portal, depending on what they subscribed to. Running along side, could be banner ads etc for other things..like paysites, toy stores, etc. Interviews from pornstars, or live cam shows. etc.

the advantage would be a filtered search delivered to the surfer while still making money via the click throughs or joins.

I got this idea when Tommy was toying around with charging his bookmarkers a small fee. I still think in the right delivery system (MS wouldn't let me use theirs) it could be a new powerful way to get specific niches in front of the right eyes.

[Useless]

Also what about discusssing this normally, without hate-oriented comments? You are grown man, long enough in the biz, lets keep it professional and in a good manner?What on Earth are you talking about? Hate-oriented? Where? Quote me!

Do me a favor and let me know how your bot identifies itself when it's spidering.

[NY Jester]

Do me a favor and let me know how your bot identifies itself when it's spidering

Yeah that sounds like a good idea U.W..

J-

[Fking]

What on Earth are you talking about? Hate-oriented? Where? Quote me!

Do me a favor and let me know how your bot identifies itself when it's spidering.

"potentially illegal conglomerated hunk o' shit"
"It's so stupid, it's almost genius"
"responded in your SPAM thread"
"same shit they could find at any large link list for free. Is your program really doing so poorly that you needed to find another way to profit off of the efforts of affiliates?"


well its not big deal but it isnt too professional as well :)
i have a rule, when talking on the boards, dont say anything you wouldnt say in the face of the person

[Useless]

i have a rule, when talking on the boards, dont say anything you wouldnt say in the face of the personMe too. Buy me a drink some time and I'll say the same things in person. ;) What I said wasn't hateful at all. It was my honest opinion.

Where are the pay options? I played with it and don't see them. Is it not finished?

[SheepGuy]

"It's so stupid, it's almost genius"


Well damn, that's a compliment! Some of my stupidest most hare brained ideas are the ones that have been the most successful. My other stupid ideas are waiting for the world to dumb down to genius level or at least get a sense of humour ;)
A lot of my good ones have bordered on illegal or at least distasteful as well, it's a fine line.
You really should learn how to accept a compliment, Useless sometimes forgets to take his happy pills, and if he does, you'll know it :D

[Jel]

Proven credit card users viewing galleries hosted on the original servers of the gallery builder?

[nekrom]

I reckon it's a great concept.

Credit Card verified surfers using a tool to search out and find my galleries/freesites with all my sales/marketing text & linkcodes still in place.

Spider my sites thanks. :)

-N

[Fking]

Me too. Buy me a drink some time and I'll say the same things in person. ;) What I said wasn't hateful at all. It was my honest opinion.

Where are the pay options? I played with it and don't see them. Is it not finished?

ok sorry, prolly because its hard to get the emotion behind the written text, i took it too strong :) I cant wait to meet you :D


about the payment, the results on first page for every category are free, except the last row
so basicly the first 20 galleries for every category can be viewed for free, try to click on some of the next ones and you will get a join page

[Fking]

Proven credit card users viewing galleries hosted on the original servers of the gallery builder?

I reckon it's a great concept.

Credit Card verified surfers using a tool to search out and find my galleries/freesites with all my sales/marketing text & linkcodes still in place.

Spider my sites thanks. :)

-N


absolutelly correct, thank you :)



@SheepGuy :)

[LowryBigwood]

We take that 1:1000 is an OK conversion ratio in nowadays
that means that from 1000 people, 999 dont join and just one joins.
1 is 0.01% from 1000
that means that in this case 99.9% are free loaders for the current site


That ratio depends on a great number of factors, how extensive is your research? Is it a guess or are numbers backing this up?


"Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy.
"

Maybe they would, but why would they when they have it all for free right now? IMHO your site is doing nothing new other than trying to charge surfers to view free porn which is not really new either, as far as an idea. All that being said, it will be interesting to see how the site does and what happens in the future. |headbang|

[LowryBigwood]

Side Note: does anyone else giggle when they read that this site has a "search" option? Since when is a drop down menu of category pages a "search"?

Yeah, that's not really what I would call a search... Maybe the button should read Browse. :D

[NY Jester]

are the top results always the same? Is it weighted? Or do the rotate out randomly?

[Fking]

That ratio depends on a great number of factors, how extensive is your research? Is it a guess or are numbers backing this up?


I've took what's considered to be industry standart ok ratio nowadays
its just an example, i dont pretend for scientific precision
anyway, its for sure under 1% (even 1:100 which is considered to be ok SE ratio, means that 99% are free loaders)



Maybe they would, but why would they when they have it all for free right now? IMHO your site is doing nothing new other than trying to charge surfers to view free porn which is not really new either, as far as an idea. All that being said, it will be interesting to see how the site does and what happens in the future. |headbang|

because we provide them in a easy to find way, no skim, no pop-ups, no false redirects and so on
you pay for the convinience of the service
that's why and the fee is so small

[Fking]

are the top results always the same? Is it weighted? Or do the rotate out randomly?

it shows the newest results on top
they are mostly sorted by date

[Fking]

Yeah, that's not really what I would call a search... Maybe the button should read Browse. :D

with "browse" it wont be innovative, hehe :)

[Greenguy]

with "browse" it wont be innovative, hehe :)But it would be truthful :)

***

Fun Fact: one of the many things that ePassporte was supposed to do is something very similar to this (sorta like a token system where you bought access to individual clean gallery pages)

[Jeka]

1 out of 1000 is not 0.01% but 0.1% or 0.001 without % ;)

Furthermore, you cannot say that just because only 1 out of 1000 joins all 999 others are free loaders. Many of these 999 might have joined other paysites in the past or will join in future.

In my opinion your system is a nice idea and I wouldn't mind getting proven credit card owner traffic or even free niche targeted traffic to my galleries at all.
I don't see a problem with sponsor content neither. You don't offer the people anything different than any other tgp, mgp, et al. And sponsors had no problem with tgps with banner ads to other sponsors or dating or pills upsales on the galleries neither. Additionally you don't offer full movies / picture sets but just galleries with short 30 sec clips. Thus it's not really a problem in my opinion.

As you mentioned above you don't host the content but only sell a database with links to free public content basically.

[Useless]

In my opinion your system is a nice idea and I wouldn't mind getting proven credit card owner traffic or even free niche targeted traffic to my galleries at all.
I don't see a problem with sponsor content neither. You don't offer the people anything different than any other tgp, mgp, et al. And sponsors had no problem with tgps with banner ads to other sponsors or dating or pills upsales on the galleries neither. Additionally you don't offer full movies / picture sets but just galleries with short 30 sec clips. Thus it's not really a problem in my opinion.As long as you don't mind someone else profiting from your work/content/property without you getting a cent, I suppose it's no big deal. But for me, if someone thinks that they can charge for access to my web properties, well, they have another thing coming.

And I love how you slow thinkers bring up "proven credit card owner traffic" when they are deliberately marketing to "freeloaders". Yup, that makes sense.

[NY Jester]

I can see the benefits of this as it is basically a Porn Search Engine only difference is they are charging the viewers for the full list. So big difference...

And I still have to side with UW, the "sell" is to porn freeloaders as described in detail with %'s and numbers and yet there is talk about proven credit card traffic...erroneous!

[Useless]

Do me a favor and let me know how your bot identifies itself when it's spidering.Check 1. Check 2. Is this thing on?

Fking, do you truly employ a bot to spider for your listings? How does the bot know that the galleries are clean?

[RageCash-Ben]

As a gallery maker myself I would think that surfers who have already used their credit cards are just the sort of surfer I would want viewing my galleries.

I didn't look at this in detail. Is there something I am missing?

[Jeka]

As long as you don't mind someone else profiting from your work/content/property without you getting a cent, I suppose it's no big deal. But for me, if someone thinks that they can charge for access to my web properties, well, they have another thing coming.

And I love how you slow thinkers bring up "proven credit card owner traffic" when they are deliberately marketing to "freeloaders". Yup, that makes sense.

But you still get free niche traffic to your galleries and you could even make money yourself by promoting the site with 404 traffic etc.

[NY Jester]

Rage - well, from the first post in the original thread, the whole sale push was to get "freeloading" porn surfers to buy a paid membership to the Porn Portal "get porn 24" so the talk about credit card using surfers is kind of been bought in during these last few replies. The whole concept was to try and sell this service to the 99% of non-buying porn surfers. So where the credit card surfers came in is based on the fact if they signed up for this service theyd now be credit card using surfers, and the concern for me anyway,was that why would they pay for any of my free sites or gallery sponsors if they can pay $4.99 a month for all the "free" porn they can look at. At least thats my take on it.

J-

[Jel]

And I love how you slow thinkers bring up "proven credit card owner traffic" when they are deliberately marketing to "freeloaders". Yup, that makes sense.

That's obviously a stumbling block for them, getting those freeloaders to actually shell out the $. Once/if they do sign up, then they *are* proven credit card spenders (on porn). Either way, you either don't get the freeloader traffic, as they haven't signed up, or you do get the paying traffic.

[Extreme John]

Ok - let's try something.

http://www.getporn24.com/?cat=Uniform&button_search=Search&page=0&type=both

On the uniform page, there's a link to an Extreme Paycheck gallery:
http://galleries.filthynurses.com/hg/juli2/index.htm?randtour.php?cfree=milfseeker

I'll hit up Extreme John & then he can post if he's ok with this company charging surfers to view his hosted galleries.

Thank you GG.

Ive been reading through this thread and one thing that hasnt seemed to change as I continue to read on is that feeling I got when I first read the 1st few responses. It goes back to that old saying, "If it doesnt feel right, it's probably not right."

And well, this doesnt feel right. From a sponsors stand point (and many sponsors may vary on this), I have a HUGE issue with even my preview thumbs or thumbs from my exclusive soley owned (never sold as plug ins or anything else) content being used as a lead in for the purchase of some $4.99 month charge to view galleries.

Our sales tools or meant for our affiliates to use in order to generate traffic and send that traffic to us, not for our affiliates, one of their friends or a buddy to pre-sale that possible customer in hopes they might buy to our site.

Using any of the content from any of our sites to upsell or sell any membership other than our's will result in a cease order, regardless of which way the product is trying to be pushed.

Now let me ask you a question. Since your numbers reflect that 99% of surfers dont buy memberships, answer this for me:

1) If they dont buy, what makes your stuff so special that they will buy from you? I mean buying access to a bunch of non-jerkable material doesnt really solve any issue.

2) If surfers are so sick of being jurked around and they will jump at this chance to get galleries without the jerk around... Why couldnt they just visit The Hun and so many other quality sites like GG&J, etc.

3) Assuming that 99% of the surfers dont buy or that ratio's are 1:1000 might be somewhat of a mistake on your part, where is this data coming from? What research?

4) If your so confident that your system and the results it displays are so excellent, than why dont you just lose the fee idea, go with having ad's (google does and they seem to do pretty good last time I checked) and everyone will be happy.

I have always been about creative idea's and marketing, however I think this idea balances on the fence, on one side of the fence there is this site and it's creators, on the other side of the fence is everyone else in the adult webmaster community.

[Greenguy]

Well said John |thumb

[u-Bob]

Using any of the content from any of our sites to upsell or sell any membership other than our's will result in a cease order, regardless of which way the product is trying to be pushed.

So how do you feel about thumb TGPs sending skimmed traffic to trades or traffic brokers?

[Fking]

1 out of 1000 is not 0.01% but 0.1% or 0.001 without % ;)

Furthermore, you cannot say that just because only 1 out of 1000 joins all 999 others are free loaders. Many of these 999 might have joined other paysites in the past or will join in future.

In my opinion your system is a nice idea and I wouldn't mind getting proven credit card owner traffic or even free niche targeted traffic to my galleries at all.
I don't see a problem with sponsor content neither. You don't offer the people anything different than any other tgp, mgp, et al. And sponsors had no problem with tgps with banner ads to other sponsors or dating or pills upsales on the galleries neither. Additionally you don't offer full movies / picture sets but just galleries with short 30 sec clips. Thus it's not really a problem in my opinion.

As you mentioned above you don't host the content but only sell a database with links to free public content basically.

exactly my point, thank you

about the %, its more an example showing that the majority of the traffic are free loaders

[Fking]

As long as you don't mind someone else profiting from your work/content/property without you getting a cent, I suppose it's no big deal. But for me, if someone thinks that they can charge for access to my web properties, well, they have another thing coming.


That's not true, you can profit from that as well, you get traffic for free, targeted one. We send the traffic, its up to you to convert it. So you have the chance to profit.
If we were ripping away the reff ids that will be completly different thing, but we dont




And I love how you slow thinkers bring up "proven credit card owner traffic" when they are deliberately marketing to "freeloaders". Yup, that makes sense.

TGP traffic is also mostly free loaders, but still you get a lot of sign-ups from it.
It's not like we forbid the surfers to join your site...

[Fking]

Check 1. Check 2. Is this thing on?

Fking, do you truly employ a bot to spider for your listings? How does the bot know that the galleries are clean?

Yes we do

we can't reveal the algo, it's the main thing making this conception to works properly

[Fking]

But you still get free niche traffic to your galleries and you could even make money yourself by promoting the site with 404 traffic etc.


yes :)
btw, 404 traffic works pretty good for that
because if a surfer hits a 404 page, it means that he is looking for something which isnt there, well give him a search engine to find it :)

[Fking]

Rage - well, from the first post in the original thread, the whole sale push was to get "freeloading" porn surfers to buy a paid membership to the Porn Portal "get porn 24" so the talk about credit card using surfers is kind of been bought in during these last few replies. The whole concept was to try and sell this service to the 99% of non-buying porn surfers. So where the credit card surfers came in is based on the fact if they signed up for this service theyd now be credit card using surfers, and the concern for me anyway,was that why would they pay for any of my free sites or gallery sponsors if they can pay $4.99 a month for all the "free" porn they can look at. At least thats my take on it.

J-


Well we provide organised way to browse free porn, which is pretty different as quality and lenght from the paid porn. So if they want the quality a members area usually provides they are still gonna join.

On the TGPs there are also tons of free porn, but they still join when they find something they really like, dont they?

We provide them a more convinient way to find it

[Fking]

Thank you GG.

1) If they dont buy, what makes your stuff so special that they will buy from you? I mean buying access to a bunch of non-jerkable material doesnt really solve any issue.

2) If surfers are so sick of being jurked around and they will jump at this chance to get galleries without the jerk around... Why couldnt they just visit The Hun and so many other quality sites like GG&J, etc.

3) Assuming that 99% of the surfers dont buy or that ratio's are 1:1000 might be somewhat of a mistake on your part, where is this data coming from? What research?

4) If your so confident that your system and the results it displays are so excellent, than why dont you just lose the fee idea, go with having ad's (google does and they seem to do pretty good last time I checked) and everyone will be happy.

I have always been about creative idea's and marketing, however I think this idea balances on the fence, on one side of the fence there is this site and it's creators, on the other side of the fence is everyone else in the adult webmaster community.

1) That's answered in the first post
"Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy."

2) Yeah, there are plenty of other clean sites, and there is always room for one more :)

3) No research, that's more like an example. I just took a common conversion ratio.
If its 0.5% or 0.1% doesnt really matter, its the point

4)We decided to try something different, ads free site providing the quality of service and sequrity of a paid site

[Fking]

So how do you feel about thumb TGPs sending skimmed traffic to trades or traffic brokers?

good point, thank you :)

[Fking]

Ok let me try to explane it one more time for the conservative thinkers out there :)

Both TGPs and search engines drive traffic and profit from their sites, by providing access to other's people sites and content. Their content is links to other sites, categorised in some way
The slight difference is that while they profit from ads, we drop the ads and use a small fee instead.
As mentioned above some of the TPGs even use the thumbs of your licensed content to send traffic to trades and so on. We don't do that.
Another advantage of our system is that we tend to drive more targeted and more quality traffic (card holders) to your galleries.

Our only "fault" is the different monetizing scheme.

I dont see anyone blaming TGPs that they profit from banners of a sponsor A, which is placed on a page with links to content of sponsors B,C,D for example


The other thing we are being accused is that the traffic we send is useless since we target free loaders.
Well the TPGs are also mostly visited by free loaders but they still do buy. Also our traffic is more targeted and more quality compared to the TGPs one.

So, if this will help you to accept this conception better, think for GetPorn24 as a TGP with a twist :)

[Greenguy]

Are you always this hard to explain things to?

Follow me on this. I posted this:

Ok - let's try something.

http://www.getporn24.com/?cat=Uniform&button_search=Search&page=0&type=both

On the uniform page, there's a link to an Extreme Paycheck gallery:
http://galleries.filthynurses.com/hg/juli2/index.htm?randtour.php?cfree=milfseeker

I'll hit up Extreme John & then he can post if he's ok with this company charging surfers to view his hosted galleries...

Extreme John, who's not just another asshole with an opinion - he owns Extreme Paychecks & filthynurses.com, posted this:

Thank you GG.

Ive been reading through this thread and one thing that hasnt seemed to change as I continue to read on is that feeling I got when I first read the 1st few responses. It goes back to that old saying, "If it doesnt feel right, it's probably not right."

And well, this doesnt feel right. From a sponsors stand point (and many sponsors may vary on this), I have a HUGE issue with even my preview thumbs or thumbs from my exclusive soley owned (never sold as plug ins or anything else) content being used as a lead in for the purchase of some $4.99 month charge to view galleries.

Our sales tools or meant for our affiliates to use in order to generate traffic and send that traffic to us, not for our affiliates, one of their friends or a buddy to pre-sale that possible customer in hopes they might buy to our site.

Using any of the content from any of our sites to upsell or sell any membership other than our's will result in a cease order, regardless of which way the product is trying to be pushed.

Now let me ask you a question. Since your numbers reflect that 99% of surfers dont buy memberships, answer this for me:

1) If they dont buy, what makes your stuff so special that they will buy from you? I mean buying access to a bunch of non-jerkable material doesnt really solve any issue.

2) If surfers are so sick of being jurked around and they will jump at this chance to get galleries without the jerk around... Why couldnt they just visit The Hun and so many other quality sites like GG&J, etc.

3) Assuming that 99% of the surfers dont buy or that ratio's are 1:1000 might be somewhat of a mistake on your part, where is this data coming from? What research?

4) If your so confident that your system and the results it displays are so excellent, than why dont you just lose the fee idea, go with having ad's (google does and they seem to do pretty good last time I checked) and everyone will be happy.

I have always been about creative idea's and marketing, however I think this idea balances on the fence, on one side of the fence there is this site and it's creators, on the other side of the fence is everyone else in the adult webmaster community.

You said you were legally backed up, yet this sponsor says that he does not want you to charge people to view his companies exclusive galleries.

Can you comment on that?

I can get Extreme John back over here if you like. He does have a great lawyer & legal team |thumb

[spookyx]

So how do you feel about thumb TGPs sending skimmed traffic to trades or traffic brokers?

Thats a whole different ballgame.

[Useless]

Yes we do

we can't reveal the algo, it's the main thing making this conception to works properlyDo I look like the kind of guy who would know what to do with an algorithm? I suck at math. What I'm looking for is the identifier your alleged bot uses when it hits a URL. What will I see in my stats next to Googlebot, YahooSlurp, etc? Or are you bullshitting us all and not really running a bot? Maybe you're simply adding every 'clean' URL your $2 per hour employees can find. That's what I'm getting at.

[Greenguy]

I think I know the algorithm - but my presentation might be a bit rusty.

if search = drop-down menu
then bot = $2/hour employee

[bluebrit]

Ok, I have read this thread all the way through and I agree with UW, Greenie and most other folks, that I DO NOT want my pages appearing on ANY of your search engines or domains.

I have worked hard and long to build my pages, populate them on search engines and other LL and promote them via my domain and that gives me the right to decide who will be allowed to use them, where they can be used and when they will made avilable.

And in case you mention google, they have policies in place for webmasters where you can decline their use of a page, a directory or a whole site should you so desire.

As such I believe I have a right to know the name of your spider as UW has already asked, so that i can ensure you DO NOT have access to my pages or the content they promote.

That's my choice and my way of looking at this. Everbody is entitled to their opinion and some people like your concept. That's fine go ahead and use their material. Just leave mine alone and give me the name of your spider.

[spookyx]

I think I know the algorithm - but my presentation might be a bit rusty.

if search = drop-down menu
then bot = $2/hour employee


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