The Programs Listed In This Thread Have Shitty HFS's & They Are Wasting Their Money [Archive]

Greenguy

2007-03-02, 11:35 AM

After consulting with a few people - both Link List owners & Free Site builders - I've come up with a list of sponsors who have really bad Hosted Free Sites:
Adult Elite
Adult Master Cash
Adult Paymaster
Adult Players Club
Blazing Bucks
Dee Cash
Euro Revenue
Extreme Paychecks
Fetish Hits
GMT Cash
How I Got Rich
IA Cash
Jugg Cash
Made In Porn
Meat Cash
Next Door Cash
Niched Sites
Perfect Gonzo
Piggy Dollars
Porno Dinero
Royal Cash
Sexy City Cash
Sweet Money
Titan Bucks
West Cash

These sponsors are wasting their money by paying these "free site builders" for HFS's that no legit Link List would ever use. This really has to stop. I beg the sponsors on this list to have whoever is building the HFS's read these 2 threads:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=15875
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=30075
These two threads should be able to answer most of the HFS questions that a sponsor would have & it will assist whoever is building these HFS's so that LL owners will actually use them.

Many of the sponsors on this list have been contacted about their crappy HFS's in the past - both privately & in public. Some have said that they will get their act together, others seem oblivious to what's going on, as they continue to pump out shitty HFS after shitty HFS.

And before anyone accuses me of anything, yes, I do have a HFS building side project. I will state here & now that I DO NOT WANT TO BUILD HFS FOR ANY OF THESE COMPANIES. I am not looking to line my pocket by calling these sponsors out - I am looking to help them. HFS's that no one uses are a complete waste of money.

I also realize that some of these sponsors have not released HFS's in a long time. I have to assume that this is because they did not see a return on their investment, since most LL did not use them. I ask them to reconsider HFS's, to hire someone that knows how to build HFS & give them another shot.

This board is full of Link List owners & Free Site builders & most of us are more than willing to help or advise a sponsor with any & all HFS question. Hell, send in whoever you outsourced to build these & we'll help them.

All any of us want are HFS's the we can use. Please let us help you so that we can all profit from this very valuable promotional tool |shake|

MrYum

2007-03-02, 11:58 AM

Thanks very much for this thread Greenie |thumb

I'm working on a new project and have spent the past couple days looking for HFS...it's pretty bad out there. The engrish used some of these HFS is unbelievably bad |dizzy|

Also, thanks...I now have a list of which sponsors not to even bother looking at for HFS...their loss |crazy|

Jim

2007-03-02, 12:11 PM

I just think it's the lure of the cheap outsourcing people we all know and love. Sometimes the cheap gets expensive. :)

Greenguy

2007-03-02, 12:27 PM

...Also, thanks...I now have a list of which sponsors not to even bother looking at for HFS...their loss |crazy|There are 2 (Royal Cash & Euro Revenue) that have said they will look into adjusting their HFS and a 3rd that has not released their HFS's yet that are making adjustments, so it's not like our complaining is a total loss :)

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I almost forgot - if anyone knows the name(s) of the outsourcing company(s) that are making a lot of these (4 or 5 of those sponsors have very similar HFS's) if you could post it or PM it to me so that I can contact them, I'd appreciate it.

Selenia

2007-03-02, 03:24 PM

I was looking for those links the other day (I remembered reading them awhile back). Going to pass those along to our designer. :)

nibbler

2007-03-02, 03:28 PM

I just think it's the lure of the cheap outsourcing people we all know and love. Sometimes the cheap gets expensive. :)

That's why in the software development world, we spend oodles of time on analysis and requirements (upstream) so that we don't spend buckets of cash during maintenance (downstream) :D

oldbrad

2007-03-02, 09:20 PM

i thought about emailing fetish hits actually but figured i'd say it here because it's on topic with the bad freesite reviews and designs.

I was trying to use some teen sites, changing each description by hand and noticed
1. That all the descriptions used the same couple words then keywords that were completely out of place. (eg "tool")
2. the major concern of mine was the use of "young schoolgirls" and the repeated schoolgirl and similar words and i was bothered with the phrase "show her juvenile tools". To me juvenile means under 18.

Just wanted to point it out so they can maybe become aware of these and other words that may be trouble, as well as the horrible descriptions so that i may use more. I'm not sure how much cheaper fuent english speaking versus outsourced foreign workers is, but the quality and fact that many times more would use well made, quality sites.

There are many qualified, great free site builders here as many have pointed out.

MrYum

2007-03-02, 09:41 PM

There are 2 (Royal Cash & Euro Revenue) that have said they will look into adjusting their HFS and a 3rd that has not released their HFS's yet that are making adjustments, so it's not like our complaining is a total loss :)

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I almost forgot - if anyone knows the name(s) of the outsourcing company(s) that are making a lot of these (4 or 5 of those sponsors have very similar HFS's) if you could post it or PM it to me so that I can contact them, I'd appreciate it.
Good to know some of them are making adjustments.

Sorry, don't know who makes them...but I wish they'd stop. Damn, some of them are horrible |banghead|
i thought about emailing fetish hits actually but figured i'd say it here because it's on topic with the bad freesite reviews and designs.

I was trying to use some teen sites, changing each description by hand and noticed
1. That all the descriptions used the same couple words then keywords that were completely out of place. (eg "tool")
2. the major concern of mine was the use of "young schoolgirls" and the repeated schoolgirl and similar words and i was bothered with the phrase "show her juvenile tools". To me juvenile means under 18.

Just wanted to point it out so they can maybe become aware of these and other words that may be trouble, as well as the horrible descriptions so that i may use more. I'm not sure how much cheaper fuent english speaking versus outsourced foreign workers is, but the quality and fact that many times more would use well made, quality sites.

There are many qualified, great free site builders here as many have pointed out.
I looked through some of their sites and finally just gave up. Some of the worst grammar I've seen, and I've had some ugly stuff submitted...lol.

Didn't notice those age references though...I gave up long before getting to teens. Thanks for the heads up, folks definitely need to be aware of that before just throwing those links up.

Linkster

2007-03-02, 09:50 PM

I was looking for those links the other day (I remembered reading them awhile back). Going to pass those along to our designer. :)

Hopefully someone there will read those threads that Greenie posted - using a "designer" is the first wrong step in building HFS's for a program - but its covered real well over in those two threads

Selenia

2007-03-02, 10:15 PM

Well I can't do HTML work at a commercial level, so I need someone to handle that while I do the text and content work. :) FWIW, I gave them a look at some of the freesites I've had listed at most major LLs, so they get the idea that it's not supposed to be pretty and shiny. :p

Danielle

2007-03-03, 02:39 AM

Greenie,

Why don't you start a companion thread to this one listing the sponsors that DO have good HFS's?

Hugs,
Danielle

Princess Ellisa

2007-03-03, 03:28 AM

Hopefully someone there will read those threads that Greenie posted - using a "designer" is the first wrong step in building HFS's for a program - but its covered real well over in those two threads

Well say what you will if they suck we want to know since we are making them for you to use and I have a guy on hand who can pretty much custom anything you want.

When we built those galleries we consulted with a very respected link lister and that guy coached us through building them. We made all of his recommended changes before we launched them.

If they suck no one would knwo better than you guys so please feel free to get in touch with us and let us know.

ecchi

2007-03-03, 06:26 AM

Why don't you start a companion thread to this one listing the sponsors that DO have good HFS's?
Yeah, I know there are probably not enough hours in the day, but if you could give up sleeping for a while, then a list like your one on 'payout ratios', but listing them by how good their HFSs and HFGs are, would be nice.

(You don't really need to spend so much time with your family, you could dump them somewhere nice for the weekend, then spend a couple of days sorting stuff out for the rest of us. :) )

Greenguy

2007-03-03, 08:28 AM

...If they suck no one would knwo better than you guys so please feel free to get in touch with us and let us know.Read this thread starting here:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?p=319290#post319290
I hate to throw people under the bus, but I've told Tanker twice now. I feel like I'm wasting my time when I tell him what's wrong (which is the order of the movies on most of the sites) he comes back & tell me that they are fixed & when I go to review them for listing, they are still messed up :(

...Why don't you start a companion thread to this one listing the sponsors that DO have good HFS's?...I can probably do that - and Chop has something in the beta stages as well :)

Yeah, I know there are probably not enough hours in the day, but if you could give up sleeping for a while, then a list like your one on 'payout ratios', but listing them by how good their HFSs and HFGs are, would be nice...
Impossible, as I don't track that info :(

Wazdom

2007-03-03, 08:43 AM

Greenguy

2007-03-03, 08:51 AM

I understand the issue well, but I do not agree with every sponsor listed .. one in particular distributes HFS that IMHO is much better than the ARS examples GG posted in this thread http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=38677 .. eg
http://galleries1.gagonmycock.com/hosted/freesites/032678/index.html deecash
http://hfs.adultmoviematrix.com/piggyface/75128/hfs/1/piggyface.html ars
yes deecash is using the paysite in the title, but what fricking use is "Piggy Face" .. better to have "adult movie matrix", far more likely to hit a search term.
You're going to compare 1 site out of 200+ from ARS that has a shitty name (and yes, it is a really shitty name) against a site that Dee Cash that looks EXACTLY the same as every other HFS they have ever put out?

You're worried about SE implications? If 500 webmasters promote the same HFS, only 1 of those URL's will get in the SE (if it even does) & odds are that it's the one with your code is slim.

Using your example, what SE term(s) will that Dee Cash site get? The only text on that entire site is the 2257/copyright info.

Linkster

2007-03-03, 08:52 AM

Wazdom - I agree that the titles on some of those sites are definitely "out there" :) And you are correct that the titles should be something SE worthwhile - what GG said |jester|

Greenguy

2007-03-03, 08:56 AM

Oh great! Linkster's on the SE bandwagon too :D

Can we at least get these sponsors building HFS that we'd list before we worry about any SE implications?

Wazdom

2007-03-03, 09:36 AM

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.

ecchi

2007-03-03, 09:44 AM

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.

I prefer the opposite. When I use HFS on fake link lists I want them to look different so that the surfer does not realise that I have dumped a pile of sponsor's sites on him/her.

Which is one of the reasons building HFS must be such a pain in the ass, because the sponsor is going to want to please the majority of his/her affiliates, and it is going to be impossible to build sites that please both people like me AND people like Wazdom.

Useless

2007-03-03, 10:02 AM

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.Well, I guess using a single template and never changing the title would create a "theme".

ecchi

2007-03-03, 10:10 AM

Well, I guess using a single template and never changing the title would create a "theme".

Hey, stop giving away my top secret method for producing free sites ! :)

ponygirl

2007-03-03, 10:17 AM

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.

Branding is great, but I don't know how many LL owners would list a site like the one you used as an example. How many times is a surfer going to see that index page before he figures he's seen this site before and clicks out before even getting to the main page? At least with a unique title (however much it sucks) there's some indication it's not the same one they just saw 5 times. And don't even get me started about an index page that has the warning graphic linked to the tour and the exit linked to nothing :(

Bad design is bad design. Sponsors are losing out on some good traffic if they don't realize that.

Greenguy

2007-03-03, 10:38 AM

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.
I will agree with you to a point. When I build a free site, I usually use the same font & color scheme that the paysite tour has, which I feel leads to an easy flow from the free site to the paysite.

Wazdom

2007-03-03, 11:07 AM

great thread .. excellent topic

I guess the focus on this board is LL .. and from a LL point of view I accept and agree with everything GG has shared with us. I personally don't list FHS at my LL and never will, no recip = no listing.

If the FHS are only used to build up LL .. then I feel enormous potential is being lost in the use of FHS .. LL is not the only game in town and FHS are not built for the exclusive use of LL .. I'm sure if any good webmaster put their mind to it they could come up with 10 valid uses for FHS that didn't include LL.

IMHO there is great benefit in strongly branded FHS that are not LL friendly.

Linkster

2007-03-03, 11:16 AM

Waz :) The original concept behind these was to give an alternative to LLs that matched the hosted galleries that TGPs use - and that was it.

I do agree there are other reasons to build hosted free sites of a different type for entirely different purposes as some programs have with their zipped sites etc - but this type of free site we are concentrating on here is really the LLs "filler" sites just like the hosted gals and thats really it :)

Wazdom

2007-03-03, 11:26 AM

Have Shitty HFS's & They Are Wasting Their Money
this is what I responded to and do not agree with .. completely ;)

Useless

2007-03-03, 02:11 PM

I'm sure if any good webmaster put their mind to it they could come up with 10 valid uses for FHS that didn't include LL.Go ahead, give me 10. ;)
I personally don't list FHS at my LL and never will, no recip = no listing.I'd hate to hear what you think about all those silly little TGPs listing all those silly little hosted galleries.

By the way, FHS = Furry Homo Sapien. HFS = Hosted Free Site. |thumb

ecchi

2007-03-03, 02:37 PM

By the way, FHS = Furry Homo Sapien. HFS = Hosted Free Site.

Good idea, I'd use a sponsor who gave me a furry homosapien.

Jakke PNG

2007-03-03, 06:01 PM

Please let us help you so that we can all profit from this very valuable promotional tool |shake|

I know this is going to sound spammish, but it's honestly not ment as such (I'll spam properly in due time, and even see if I have any dough left to buy advertising here)...

I've submitted freesites for a few years, but I've been keeping a big pause as I've worked on other things..however, I'm just going to ask here before I launch my free hosted sites to the public whether I'm on the right track with a few samples.. I've followed the same pattern I've done with them as I did with the sites I submitted (and got listed with).

I also red the two threads mentioned in the beginning of the thread, unfortunately not before I actually did the sites. But I think I nailed the stuff listed anyhow.

Any opinions on these?
(I will also rename the directories to match the sitename before I go live)
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/divinemelons/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/secretvoyeurs/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/sexyeyeglasses/freesite1/

Wazdom

2007-03-03, 07:04 PM

Go ahead, give me 10.
I'm not going to do your work for you LOL
use your own brain ;)

Licker4U

2007-03-03, 07:47 PM

Any opinions on these?
(I will also rename the directories to match the sitename before I go live)
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/divinemelons/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/secretvoyeurs/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/sexyeyeglasses/freesite1/

Not bashing your sites or anything but, damn I got hit with deja vu when I saw them. I must have seen your work at a sponsor somewhere but I can't remember where. |confused|

oldbrad

2007-03-03, 07:53 PM

I personally like a "non professional" looking site. one that looks like a submitted site as opposed to a paysite. They are well made from a desing and appearance, but i like more text, less graphics and clearly defined ads or banners with text.

I also, presonally, like clearly defined galleries instead of thumbnail looking images linked to a gallery with no "gallery 1", etc text. I see the alt, but like something in text.

You already mentioned adding titles instead of the paysite.

These are my preferences, but you definately want the big guys opinions as they'll send the most traffic.

Jakke PNG

2007-03-03, 08:13 PM

Not bashing your sites or anything but, damn I got hit with deja vu when I saw them. I must have seen your work at a sponsor somewhere but I can't remember where. |confused|

You mean the freesites, or the paysites they're linked to?
..and I don't take that bashing, unless it was ment like "I've seen indetical shit around since 1998, upgrade your stuff moron"

I've submitted several of very similar sites to these over the years...
( http://list-x.com/shaved/shavedbpussy/ ) for example...

if you mean the paysites, then I have one other sponsor using very similar tours, mainly because I did them. But I haven't done any designs for 'clients' for a few years. Atleast any that are online yet. Not quite sure what you ment with your comment though..

Jakke PNG

2007-03-03, 08:19 PM

I personally like a "non professional" looking site. one that looks like a submitted site as opposed to a paysite. They are well made from a desing and appearance, but i like more text, less graphics and clearly defined ads or banners with text.

I'll take that into account when I do the next batch of freesites sometime in the future :)

I also, presonally, like clearly defined galleries instead of thumbnail looking images linked to a gallery with no "gallery 1", etc text. I see the alt, but like something in text.

Shouldn't be hard to put a text under the thumb or whatever to mark them as gallery. Will have a slave do that if I remember tomorrow (it's 3 something am now. heh)

You already mentioned adding titles instead of the paysite.

These are my preferences, but you definately want the big guys opinions as they'll send the most traffic.

Yeah, I'll change the foldernames to match the graphic/title on the site. (and I think I ought to change the actual <title> as well).

I've been out of the freesite loop for so long that I don't even know who the big guys are above the ones that were big guys 3 years ago.

Preacher

2007-03-03, 08:46 PM

I know this is going to sound spammish, but it's honestly not ment as such (I'll spam properly in due time, and even see if I have any dough left to buy advertising here)...

I've submitted freesites for a few years, but I've been keeping a big pause as I've worked on other things..however, I'm just going to ask here before I launch my free hosted sites to the public whether I'm on the right track with a few samples.. I've followed the same pattern I've done with them as I did with the sites I submitted (and got listed with).

I also red the two threads mentioned in the beginning of the thread, unfortunately not before I actually did the sites. But I think I nailed the stuff listed anyhow.

Any opinions on these?
(I will also rename the directories to match the sitename before I go live)
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/divinemelons/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/secretvoyeurs/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/sexyeyeglasses/freesite1/
I didn't go through them all, but two of the three links on this page are blind: http://fetishpimp.com/free/divinemelons/freesite1/gallery1.php?ref=

Gotta let the surfer know where they are going or that they have to join something in this day and age.

Wazdom

2007-03-03, 08:57 PM

I didn't go through them all, but two of the three links on this page are blind: http://fetishpimp.com/free/divinemelons/freesite1/gallery1.php?ref=

Gotta let the surfer know where they are going or that they have to join something in this day and age.
thats a awfully tight definition of blind link .. "LADIES WHO'RE BLESSED WITH HEAVENLY BOOBS" and the surfer gets a boob site with a nice selection of thumbs for them to gawk at .. not blind in my opinion |huh

nice work TeenGodFather .. I like your templates |boobies|

oldbrad

2007-03-03, 09:03 PM

alot of places consider most things a blind link unless it just says the actual address with or without the id or extension.

http://www.porn.com/amateur/whoeveraffiliate.cgi?1231
should just be http://www.porn.com/amateur/ kinda thing. just saying boobs even if it goes to a boob picture is a kind of blind link.

Greenguy

2007-03-03, 10:49 PM

....Any opinions on these?
(I will also rename the directories to match the sitename before I go live)
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/divinemelons/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/secretvoyeurs/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/sexyeyeglasses/freesite1/
They're a little heavy on the graphics side & the main & gallery pages are all the same template with different colors & backgrounds.

Licker4U

2007-03-03, 11:02 PM

You mean the freesites, or the paysites they're linked to?

Your free site galleries look familiar. I've seen very similar at maybe, Sunny Dollars? |confused| Hell, at my age everything looks familiar, or does it? (I've had a drink or 6, ignore me)

Useless

2007-03-03, 11:47 PM

You REALLY see how the same basic template structure is being re-used by looking at multiple free sites promoting the same paysite.

http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite2/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite3/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite4/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite5/

One of the greatest annoyances on those HOSTED FREE SITES (not free hosted sites) is the keyword stuffing of the thumbs' alt tags. It's pointless and, as I said, annoying.

One of the reasons I very rarely use HFSs is due to the fact that they quickly begin to look the same. If I can't add more than a couple of a sponsor's HFSs without seeing the same template, I simply don't bother. Some people seem to think that changing one graphic or the background color is enough to call it a new template. It's not. Think about the overall layout of the site.

Wazdom

2007-03-04, 02:35 AM

Lisa

2007-03-04, 03:26 AM

Uh Waz? Speaking as a sponsor...if you want freesites with recips on them...build the bloody things yourself. :)

Wazdom

2007-03-04, 03:32 AM

Uh Lisa I built many sites for PMB .. and I remember when Bill sold it .. lost every recur within 30 days ..

Lisa

2007-03-04, 03:45 AM

Bill still owns PMB, but you're getting off topic.

Sponsors are providing HFS and/or FHG for your convenience. To expect recips on top of the provision of content and site building is just ridiculous, IMHO.

I remember when to make money in this business it was required that you worked...like any business, it required an input of both cash and time to see a reward. I miss those days...

Jakke PNG

2007-03-04, 03:46 AM

They're a little heavy on the graphics side & the main & gallery pages are all the same template with different colors & backgrounds.

Yes they are, and it was a conscious decicion to make them that way, both graphics and similarity. Just to save time to be honest. You wouldn't list those on your site because they're too similar in appearance?

The sites are not yet live as isn't my affiliateprogram version 2, so I still have time to shake things around. However I'd hate to just discard those sites and start from scratch, as even with the same template it took me quite a few days to make those all...

One of the greatest annoyances on those HOSTED FREE SITES (not free hosted sites) is the keyword stuffing of the thumbs' alt tags. It's pointless and, as I said, annoying.

Hmmm.. why? I can remove them, but I'd like to know why.

One of the reasons I very rarely use HFSs is due to the fact that they quickly begin to look the same. If I can't add more than a couple of a sponsor's HFSs without seeing the same template, I simply don't bother. Some people seem to think that changing one graphic or the background color is enough to call it a new template. It's not. Think about the overall layout of the site.
I quite honestly thought it WAS enough. It IS enough when submitting GALLERIES.

Your free site galleries look familiar. I've seen very similar at maybe, Sunny Dollars? Hell, at my age everything looks familiar, or does it? (I've had a drink or 6, ignore me)
Ah, woudn't know about that. I know one that I use FHG's with quite similar galleries, and one other sponsor to whom I made galleries for. But not sunnydollars, not sure if I've even seen a sunnydollars gallery..but a gallery can't get more basic than this.

<HEADER>
<thumbs>
<text>
<thumbs>
<text>
<thumbs>
<bottom>

so I'm sure there's quite a lot of galleries that looks pretty similar :)

Wazdom

2007-03-04, 04:27 AM

Lisa I miss those days also :)
but these days .. from what I can see .. more investment is required to be successful .. with this comes larger demands.

Greenguy

2007-03-04, 09:13 AM

ok lots of opinions .. |jackinthe

GG if I was to pick one issue with HFS (LOL) and HFG .. it would be really nice if sponsors provided the frame work for recip linking on these tools |club| should be very easy from them to provide us.
1 - Do you want to download the HFS's, add recips & upload them to your server?
2 - Do you want to give the sponsor a bit of html coding so that it's inserted into the HFS so that when you link to it, there's a link back to you?
In either scenario, that'd be something the sponsor would have to approve or set up & like I said about the SE stuff, I'd rather concentrate on getting this large list of sponsors to correct their basic mistakes before we looked into what extra benefits could be added to HFS.

Also, what the fuck is a HFG? No one calls galleries "free galleries" It's HFS because the term that everyone uses for Free Sites is "Free Sites"

Yes they are, and it was a conscious decicion to make them that way, both graphics and similarity. Just to save time to be honest. You wouldn't list those on your site because they're too similar in appearance?....I might list a few, but like a lot of LL owners, I'd get tired of seeing the same template over & over & over.

...I quite honestly thought it WAS enough. It IS enough when submitting GALLERIES....You're not building/submitting galleries. Throw out most of the TGP/Gallery info you have, as it does not fit in with the LinkList/FreeSite model (and oddly enough, I think that most of the sponsors on this list have this exact same problem)

Jakke PNG

2007-03-04, 09:43 AM

ecchi

2007-03-04, 09:46 AM

it would be really nice if sponsors provided the frame work for recip linking on these tools.

Why do you want to add recips? Are you trying to submit HFS with your link code to link lists? If so I think you are heading for a few blacklists. I rarely blacklist anyone, but my TGP blacklist is almost entirely people who shove sponsors hosted galleries in a frame or Iframe, with a few recips at the top.

Greenguy

2007-03-04, 09:55 AM

Well, I think I'll just keep these as they are, and make new ones that have more variety and aren't out of the same mold..just gotta pay my coder to separate these 'template'-sites and the new ones I'll make in my import tool...hopefully in time for my programs re-launch.
NO NO NO NO NO! :D

Leave them in there. If you only have 4 using this template - and they're scattered across 4 different paysites - no one will care.

It's when you have 40 using this template & 10 for each paysite that LL owners will start to scratch their heads wondering why they've seen the site design before.

****

I think there's a misunderstanding about templates as far as HFS (and free sites) goes and I'm probably responsible for that.

Templates are OK when used in moderation. Let me give you an example of how we build HFS:

A sponsor orders 30 HFS's for 3 paysites (10 per paysite) Let's say that I assign this work to 3 builders.

Builder 1 will be told to make 3 HFS for Site A using the same template, 3 HFS for Site B using a different template & 4 HFS for Site C using yet a different template.

Builder 2 will be told to make 4 HFS for Site A using the same template, 3 HFS for Site B using a different template & 3 HFS for Site C using yet a different template.

Builder 3 will be told to make 3 HFS for Site A using the same template, 4 HFS for Site B using a different template & 3 HFS for Site C using yet a different template.

Now what you have are 10 HFS for each paysite that use 3 different templates from 3 different people.

The next time the sponsors orders 30 HFS, I will pick 3 different builders, so once the order is complete, the sponsor has 20 HFS's for each paysite using 6 different templates from 6 different builders (or a total of 60 HFS's using 18 different templates from 6 different people)

Now that's a variety I think we can all handle |thumb

No one is saying that once you use a template, throw it out. Make a couple of sites, move it to the back of the list & use it again down the road.

Linkster

2007-03-04, 10:12 AM

Totally agreed - the ones that wont get listed are the 30 free sites using exactly the same template over and over for the same paysite
But then the sponsors that do that dont seem to care one way or the other - they can still "boast" that they provide the tools - its a shame because there are some good programs out there that do this and they would certainly get more sales/traffic if they would just listen

Wazdom

2007-03-04, 10:31 AM

Also, what the fuck is a HFG?
well on the dominant TGP board they are called FHG .. for obvious reasons LOL I put HFG .. seems to be a preference for that order around here.

Greenguy

2007-03-04, 10:36 AM

well on the dominant TGP board they are called FHG .. for obvious reasons LOL I put HFG .. seems to be a preference for that order around here.

Sorry if I sound angry, but that's another pet-peeve of mine - like it's some new brilliant marketing idea to put "free" in front of other words to make them sound more appealing.

Think of it this way, if you call them Free Hosted Galleries, then you'd have to also use "Free Hosted Free Sites" :D

Preacher

2007-03-04, 12:22 PM

thats a awfully tight definition of blind link .. "LADIES WHO'RE BLESSED WITH HEAVENLY BOOBS" and the surfer gets a boob site with a nice selection of thumbs for them to gawk at .. not blind in my opinion |huh
|boobies|

Then you sir, are an idiot and have no idea what a blind link is. |waves|

Wazdom

2007-03-04, 12:43 PM

thats a intelligent contribution Preacher .. well done |jester|

Mr Exotic

2007-03-04, 01:08 PM

I've been looking thru lots of hosted free sites here lately to try and fill in my link list and have added quite a few, but frankly if these sites were submitted to me I probably would have declined 90% of them, and I havent even looked at any of the sponsors that greenie listed. I guess even the sponsor hosted free sites that are considered "good" dont even scratch the surface of what is submitted.

I guess for me this is both good and bad, irritating as hell that spoonsors cant (or just dont want to spend the time and or resources) make decent hosted free sites as a link list owner, but as a free site submitter its comforting to know that link lists in no time soon will be able to push submitters aside and list mainly hfs. I really think that for a program to do the hfs thing correctly they would need to hire a full time free site maker (fluent english speaking person, not some 3rd world slave that makes 200$ a month putting in 50 hour weeks) that is constantly building free sites at the rate of a couple to three unique sites a day.

Useless

2007-03-04, 04:57 PM

thats a intelligent contribution Preacher .. well done |jester|This, from someone who doesn't understand the basic purpose of HFS and admits that he does not list them on his link list (even though he lists hosted gals on his TGP).
I personally don't list FHS at my LL and never will, no recip = no listing.
Why don't you sit back, relax, and leave the heavy lifting to those of us who know what we're talking about? We could probably stay on topic if you'd just |stfu|

Wazdom

2007-03-04, 06:29 PM

hey Useless (fitting) .. I've engaged in debate .. I've articulated my point of view .. I have shared and learned with my peers .. what the fuck have you done? talk shit, be negative, with nothing of value to say except attack me .. Useless |asshole|

FanTC

2007-03-04, 06:56 PM

SheepGuy

2007-03-04, 07:31 PM

I have 3 joints and |popcorn|.

Let the games begin!|potleaf|

LOL! I'm out of smoke but I'm glad I stocked up on beer & pretzels ;)

Chimera

2007-03-04, 07:58 PM

Wow! I don't expect an explosion anytime soon because UW is so shy and nonconfrontive.|couch|
I have cashews and Mtn. Dew

Greenguy

2007-03-05, 12:17 AM

Princess Ellisa

2007-03-07, 03:58 AM

I hate to throw people under the bus, but I've told Tanker twice now. I feel like I'm wasting my time when I tell him what's wrong (which is the order of the movies on most of the sites) he comes back & tell me that they are fixed & when I go to review them for listing, they are still messed up

Hey we are in Key West throwing Wet T-shirt contests for Spring Break so I am on and offline this month and I just saw this now.

Honestly it is not like Tanker to say something is done when it is not. So possibly he misunderstood your criticisms. Either way thanks for bringing to my attention and I will try and make sure that they get brought up to standard.

E. |potleaf|

docholly

2007-03-07, 07:27 PM

Pretty bad when "major" sponsors put money into having sites made and they don't even know the correct terminology for what they are paying for..

We have added 52 new Free Hosted Galleries and 26 Free Hosted Sites to our promotional materials for our top selling site TheyDrunk.com

Ok and I know that's a bit on the petty side but it does speak to knowing ones marketing material before they are released.. and this one was on GG's original list.

my contribution to this thread as i do a drive by.. |dog