Unusual recips. May I?...

[EvGenius]

Check out this free site (not finished yet):
Raven Riley nude (http://www.ravenrileynude.org/)
What do you think? I mean the recips. Will I have any problems with getting listed?

[JackDaniel's]

Ok...those recips (if you can call them that) don't look good !

I think that is a very stupid idea you had there |crazy|

[EvGenius]

Ok...those recips (if you can call them that) don't look good !ok, that's why i'm here ;)
can you be a little more specific?
why you say they're looking bad?

i can explain why i did it like that. but first i'd like to hear the opinion of the others.

[jonnydoe]

I actually think that they look pretty damn cool. I have no idea what a reviewer would think of it though. I'm not sure why you are putting the index on the root of your domain...You would be better off building multiple freesites and galleries for her and linking to them from there I think.

You need to correct your grammar...

You probably have seen me before. In case you haven't, I'm Raven Riley.

Scroll down to enter my site and see all of my photos where I am absolutely naked.

[JackDaniel's]

Ok they definitely didn't looked like that when I saw them first (some tables were broken)

I don't know what the big LL owners think about them but I don't see them as category recips but as general recips !

I've noticed you've build them using 2 gif's , the one linked to the main site and the other to the category site but they seem to me confusing.

Maybe I'm wrong ... let's see what the big guys think ;)

[Aquarius]

I'm by no means a FS reviewer, but I think those look pretty cool. Now lets see what the big guys think.

[LowryBigwood]

Very cool looking recips. I'd list a site with recips like this even though it is general and not a niche recip just because they are different and eye catching.

Edited * I guess it depends on where you link it as for being general or a niche recip but I have no problem with it either way. |thumb

[Mateusz]

I like them|thumb

[Preacher]

I like them|thumb

Ditto, and I'd allow them.

I just wouldn't want to spend that much time making those recips, but they do blend into the page well.

[SheepGuy]

I'd list 'em, I prefer single recips straight to my index ;) Does seem like a lot of work to go through though.

[skopintsev]

I think that you made very good looking recips. I have really no idea what big LL owners think, but I'm sure that many LL owners should appreciate great design and visible placement of these recips |thumb

[japamor]

I like them. I'd accept them no problem.

[ronnie]

They are different, but I think they might really blend in, even too much. With most LL's their recips are different and stand out, or try to. Not in this case. I also think they would probably get less clicks. Just my opinion.

[Useless]

Are they pretty? Sure.

Would I accept them? No.

Why? (Other than the blind category links...)
Est Domains and Fedora-Hosting. A grand combo.

[Linkster]

Why waste your time on that kind of BS when your site wont get listed - youre on a dot org which we wont list, youre on fedora which wont get listed, youre on the same IP with other domain names that rip off LL names and there area few "undesirable type" names shared there and then you waste your traffic by linking to a .uk domain intermediary page that is probably gonna get used to redirect SE traffic later instead of directly to ravens paysite?

[Emerald]

I'm Wondering what Jayman will think of you using the name "Raven Riley" in your domain ... even tho you are promoting her .. I still think its a bit shady.

In regards to the recip .. they are fine but like others stated.. your on shaky ground being with EST and Fedora , .org isnt one of our favorite extension etc. (I dont like to have submissions from dot anything unless its .net or .com just my personal preference)

|roses|

[EvGenius]

Thanks guys for your answers.
Now let me tell you my vision of the ideal free site.
I assume that free sites should be mainly made for SE's. Instead of making another one piece of a "garbage.net", you should build a good place for surfers and a search engines. And if you want your new site to not become a part of "one of a... something", it should be as much unique as possible. And what we have on an average free site today? Same warning text, same copied descriptions, same recips, etc.
not good, isn't? and google think so too when put the most of free sites into supplemental results.
So i just think, what can i do? I can write my own unique description. a warning text can be done in the original way too, or i can just make the "standart" warning message as a JPG - so google can't read it.
but what about the recips? they are usually the same on every free site on the net |confused|
i can make them as an image too, but all link lists require you to link to them with an anchor text they need. but google count the alt="" tags as a part of your page. so i use the title="" tag - it is counted as a part of site to which refer. so finally my free site is good enough for me and for LL's in a SEO context.
but, as many of you have noticed, the recips doesn't look good because it seems like they have no visible text (but actually there is a text when you point the mouse over) and seems like there is only one link (but there is two!).


I'm not sure why you are putting the index on the root of your domain...You would be better off building multiple freesites and galleries for her and linking to them from there I think.Noupe :D
I think it's much better to have 10 links from 10 different domains than 10 links from one domain.

You need to correct your grammar...Thanks! But the text you suggest is less unique. So i've made some corrections. Hope it's ok now.

I don't know what the big LL owners think about them but I don't see them as category recips but as general recips !

I've noticed you've build them using 2 gif's , the one linked to the main site and the other to the category site but they seem to me confusing.yes, they actually are a category recips,... and they are confusing |huh
that's why i came here for asking what you see.

I just wouldn't want to spend that much time making those recips, but they do blend into the page well.that's not so hard actually.
especially when you do one site a month or so, like i do :)

they would probably get less clicksa good LL owner should think more about own traffic from SE's and less about counting clicks from recips |thumb
and actually i disagree. i guess that usual recips are less noticeable because people have seen them many times already.

well, apparently the most of you would accept it. that's ok :)
i'll try. even if someone will reject it, i can always replace his link with another one to get as much links to this domain as i can.

[Preacher]

that's not so hard actually.
especially when you do one site a month or so, like i do :)

Well, even though it's not hard you can save yourself from building one from me, I have a rule against EST registered domains. Sorry.

[EvGenius]

(Other than the blind category links...)so you the one of those who count a recip-clicks. keep it going |thumb

Est Domains and Fedora-Hosting. A grand combo.and what's wrong with that?
does anyone else think so?

Why waste your time on that kind of BS when your site wont get listed - youre on a dot org which we wont list, youre on fedora which wont get listed,thanks for the warning. i'm not going to waste my time and your LL's won't get listed on my site. now how about that? :D
btw, what's wrong with the .ORG's ?!

then you waste your traffic by linking to a .uk domain intermediary page that is probably gonna get used to redirect SE traffic later instead of directly to ravens paysite?i should disappoint you, but... you have no clue what i'm doing (or planning to do) and why |waves|
i'm not going to redirect anything at all
but if you're so interested, i'm going to do with that .uk the same as with my other one - http://www.brookeskye.org.uk/ - it's now on top by "brooke skye" and "brookeskye"

I'm Wondering what Jayman will think of you using the name "Raven Riley" in your domain ... even tho you are promoting her .. I still think its a bit shady.i'm sure it's ok
this site exist to send a visitors to the original ravenriley.com, so what's the problem?

your on shaky ground being with EST and Fedora , .org isnt one of our favorite extension etc. (I dont like to have submissions from dot anything unless its .net or .com just my personal preference)all domains are same, no matter where they're registered or hosted!
i feel fine on estdomains and don't really want to pay 2-3 times more on other registrars.
And i'm not going to play russian roulette guessing which registrar you will like and which dislike. if you don't like estdomains, well fine, you won't get a links on my site, someone else will recieve it. |waves|

and how about the 3th level .UK domains? what is your personal preference regarding this?
and what hosting you prefer?

|peace|

[ponygirl]

perhaps we're all expecting too much from someone advertising a counter for freesites in their sig ;)

[MrYum]

Hmmm...let's see here...

Estdomains...strike one...

Fedora hosting...strike two...

Ask for help, then have a pissy "I'm gonna change the world" attitude when some of the larger link sites tell you what's wrong...errr, that would be STEEERIKE THREE, you're outta there!

In case any of that slipped through your cracks, add me to the "i'm not going to waste my time and your LL's won't get listed on my site. now how about that?" list. Thank you...thank you very much...buh bye now |waves|

[Linkster]

Im happy that you think that you willl get listed and thats fine - Im telling you that you would not get listed because you arent a partner, and you are breaking just about every rule of almost all of the link lists out there - not just mine

If you dont want recommendations, then dont ask for them - and I can guarantee that no one cares one way or the other whether you "allow" them to be on your recip list :)

[Useless]

so you the one of those who count a recip-clicks. keep it going |thumb Will someone please translate that from Garbled Nonsense to English for me? I've no idea what he's saying. |huh

[SheepGuy]

Yeah, I just looked at the recips, didn't even look at the url.
|flush|
So blacklist me from your evil empire as well |scared|

[jonnydoe]

Is there something in the water lately?

[EvGenius]

are you guys wicked or something?

ponygirl, i'm not advertising anything here, but if it's a pressure for your eyes, i can hide it. happy now?
all i have asked about, was my recips (about how they're made, not the design)! and in the first reply someone told me that i did something really bad (didn't specified what exactly) later you've started saying how beautiful they are and you'll accept it with no problems. Some have not even noticed that it there's actually two links in every button.

MrYum, there's too many strikes... in your head |crazy|
show me where i've asked you about the registrar or a hosting?
if you can't, then leave the 3th strike to itself |banghead|
as you can see, there is no site at all yet! so i can easily move it to another domain and hosting.

Linkster, besides est,fedora and org, what else is wrong?
what every rule you're talking about?
you need another one templated free site? i'm sure you have a lot.

Useless Warrior, how many foreign languages do you know? |fuckyou|

don't treat me wrong, but i did not wanted to discuss my registrar and hosting. you started it and when i just asked "why?" you started blaming me in such a stuffs like my sig, my english, evil empire, etc. |crazy|
ok, so i understand that you don't like estdomains and fedora-hosting and ORG domains. so i've told you that i won't submit it to you. if you're judging the site only by his hosting, that's your personal mental problem. and what is worse, this is not your personal opinion, you just copied it from someone. but as i've said before, that's your problem.

you are trying to tell me that i'm a some kind of a cheater or something because use a fedora-hosting, right?
now take a look at this:
http://www.nudegirls.org.uk/alla/
were listed on smutgremlins:
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.nudegirls.org.uk%2Falla%2F&mkt=ru-ru&FORM=LIVSOP&go.x=0&go.y=0&go=Search
now it's not. and who is a cheater now?

ok now. but all this crap is not the main point of this topic.
let assume that this site is on .COM registered on a secret approved registrar and on a secret approved hosting. secret because i don't know where you're hiding the list of your unprefered registrars and hostings.
how about that?

[JackDaniel's]

Sorry but you really started with the wrong foot arround here :(

Good luck revolutioning and improving the way free sites are made! :D

[Useless]

Useless Warrior, how many foreign languages do you know? |fuckyou|I know a little German - enough to speak at the level of a child. That's why I DON'T FUCKING POST AT GERMAN LANGUAGE WEBMASTER BOARDS. Lech mich am Arsch! I also know how to say "Go fuck your mother" and "Eat me" in Russian, as well as "This is very good" in Polish.

[jonnydoe]

EvGenius...I think your name really says it all. You come in here with what I believe to be some decent skills and unique ideas (the genius) and then the evil shows when things are pointed out that you should correct by some pretty major players in the LinkList world. This is a very blunt place so you can't go around being defensvie or getting your feelings hurt.

UW...Does that mean you want your salad tossed? (where is that hide behind the couch smilie)

[Greenguy]

I'd just like to say that I don't like the recips & I ask that everyone use the text version that I have on my recip page.

I think everyone knows my feeling on the rest of this mess :D

[MrYum]

Nothing quite like making new friends huh Ev???

The bottom line is if one sets up housekeeping in a sewer, they're bound to get some shit on em. That registrar and that host are known havens for scammers. When that fact was pointed out to you (someone coming here asking for help), instead of saying, 'Shit, I had no idea! Thanks for the heads up!'...you respond with, 'i'm not going to waste my time and your LL's won't get listed on my site. now how about that?'. So, it would seem you like being in that environment |crazy|

And just for your information, building graphic heavy entry pages with image recips is hardly something new or genius. It's been done before many many times over, and invariably text works better. Add in that your recips make no differentiation between category and main, it's a less than stellar idea.

[EvGenius]

i'm not looking for a friends here, you budhead

fine, you don't want to hear me, so i'm not going to talk anymore.

but i still want to hear few words from a cheater |club|
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.smutgremlins.com/teens_solo.html+%22Naked+girl+on+the+beach%22+site:smutgremlins.com&hl=en
18 Feb 2007 google cache shows the link on it's place.
now it's gone.
did i cheated you? noupe.
did you cheated me? yep.
so should i ban you? i think so, and also the following :
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.and
Name Server: NS1.CONEPUPPY.COM
Name Server: NS2.CONEPUPPY.COM
holy crap, it's bogus hosting |shocking|
greeny, ban it immediately!

[MrYum]

i'm not looking for a friends here, you budhead Cool, I'm a budhead! Somebody roll me up and smoke me quick! :D

fine, you don't want to hear me, so i'm not going to talk anymore.Thank you |thumb

but i still want to hear few words from a cheater |club|
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.smutgremlins.com/teens_solo.html+%22Naked+girl+on+the+beach%22+site:smutgremlins.com&hl=en
18 Feb 2007 google cache shows the link on it's place.
now it's gone.
did i cheated you? noupe.
did you cheated me? yep.
so should i ban you? i think so, and also the following :
and

holy crap, it's bogus hosting |shocking|
greeny, ban it immediately!
I have no idea wtf all that was about |dizzy|

[JackDaniel's]

Hey EvGenius here is a nice song for you :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1A6bsurxJDg&mode=related&search=

[EvGenius]

the song is great.
i will say goodbye right after smutie confirm that he's a cheater

[ponygirl]

the song is great.
i will say goodbye right after smutie confirm that he's a cheater

|jester| you sure like to dig deep, dontcha :D

[MrMaryLou]

Oh its a small world :) Now let me open my mental Rolodex

[DangerDave]

Its a small world

That it is! |club|

[ronnie]

Don't add me to your submit list.

[SheepGuy]

Aaah, who needs friends?
In Estonia we have saying
"П****************юбит******** м******************************** д********в********ри********, к********т********р ****************ск************************к******** вс****************д******** п************************щут в********шу с********бств************************ую ********д********р********ую прив********д************************ую в д********йстви******** к********м****************ту в********************************"

In English it means "Love many trust few, always paddle your own nuclear powered bathroom"

Why I don't post on Estonian wm boards ;)

[Emerald]

Then you can say goodbye now.. I removed your links from my LL and also blacklisted you so dont bother to submit again.. from any of your domains. Ya might as well not bother to submit to any of the big link lists... most of us use the same blacklist! BuhBye :)


|roses|

I removed your links due to the fact your using EST domains .. my rule, my linklist, I have the right to remove any subjectable links from MY lovely linklist!! .. more traffic for the webmsaters who dont use EST

[Emerald]

also, How did I CHEAT you?
Did I ask you to submit to me? NO
Did I have to list you? NO
Were you listed and I removed your links? YES
Is that cheating? NO

Get a grip man! Your history now ... :D

Make sure ya dont let the door hit you on the way out.

|roses|

And to also clarify one thing.. NO one called you a cheater.. all we stated was we do not like to list sites that have their domains with EST .. We have been burned, cheated in the past from some domains using EST - we didnt say it was you! You asked why we wouldnt list your free site (which I felt was a very nice front) and we told you. You took the defense immediately, when to be honest no one was attacking you.

[Kinky]

Cool, I'm a budhead! Somebody roll me up and smoke me quick! :D

that is the first thing i thought of too, of all the mean names to call Mr Yum boy that one musta cut yae a deep... you must have a big head with all the strikes and buds in there |potleaf|

that new recip table is pretty sweet too, Greenie you have an unfriendly site my friend and everything is always your fault too, if you need a hug gimme a ring, some tool called you gay, someone might need to call JayMan and ban him from the poolhouse until he cancels some accounts |jester|

[jonnydoe]

He doesn't need to get listed with any of the major LL owners here. YOU guys are all socksuckers |banghead| He will just get SE traffic with a trademarked name and no incoming links ;-)

somebody pass the yum...|potleaf|

[MrYum]

that is the first thing i thought of too, of all the mean names to call Mr Yum boy that one musta cut yae a deep... you must have a big head with all the strikes and buds in there |potleaf| It's freakin huge man |potleaf|

I must have been here too long, it's not as much fun watching these asshats bury themselves anymore :(

Naaaah...just kidding! It's a blast!

[MightyMidget]

Haha, that is cute, have a look at the initial link again!

I believe this evil genious is about... 14 years old? Young man, you should be asleep and you shouldn't be peddling porn :)

"BEWARE OF GREENGAYS"

[JackDaniel's]

unfriendly sites .... lol |haha