Free Sites On Sponsor Host?

[Tekster]

If the sponsor offers free hosting, is it ok to build free sites and host them there? Would they get accepted by LL? (Example would be Silvercash since they offer content and free hosting)

I probably know the answer (No Free Hosting) but I figured I ask to make sure. :D

[Mateusz]

I probably know the answer

Yes you know it :) Hosting your free sites on any kind of free/revshare host is easiest way to get declined and most likely banned

[mihai]

what Mateusz said :(

[MrYum]

Yes you know it :) Hosting your free sites on any kind of free/revshare host is easiest way to get declined and most likely banned

You'll find that answer is true pretty much across the board with link sites.

[Mr Spock]

I believe if you are using sponsor hosting and the the domain you submit from is yourdomain.sponsor.com then you will be declined everywhere - makes sense as no LL accept submits from a sub-domain.

However, what is the case with sponsor hosting where you are using your own TLD and are merely using the sponsors servers, your submitting domain being: your domain.com.

I would imagine that under that scenario you should be able to submit to LL and get listed?

[Tekster]

Thanks All,

I got it, no free hosts, of any kind. I thought so but my answer lady was not around to ask for the last couple of days. :D

[Greenguy]

...However, what is the case with sponsor hosting where you are using your own TLD and are merely using the sponsors servers, your submitting domain being: your domain.com...No. Sponsor Hosted = Free Hosted in the eyes of most LL's.

[MrYum]

I believe if you are using sponsor hosting and the the domain you submit from is yourdomain.sponsor.com then you will be declined everywhere - makes sense as no LL accept submits from a sub-domain.

However, what is the case with sponsor hosting where you are using your own TLD and are merely using the sponsors servers, your submitting domain being: your domain.com.

I would imagine that under that scenario you should be able to submit to LL and get listed?
Nope, that doesn't fly either.

As Greenie mentioned...free hosting is free hosting, no matter whether it's on your own domain or not. And it is something that's checked by most all reviewers.

[hjnet]

And considering that most sponsors buy the cheapest bandwidth they could get you'll most likely loose more money due to longer loading times, routing issues or other stuff than you'd gain by saving a few $$$ for your own server.

[Kenny B!]

If the sponsor offers to host your domain on their server then you are not using sponsor hosted galleries, just the sponsor for your hosting. And I don't think anyone will decline you for that, just use a full domain and not a sub domain.

There are some sponsors that will do this for you |waves|

[Linkster]

Kenny - you need to read the thread again - LLs will NOT accept domains hosted on sponsors hosting - no ifs ands or buts :) It doenst matter if its a subdomain, a real domain or a domain they transfer over - No sponsor hosting at all


/added - its the easiest and fastest way to get put on the blacklist :)

[emmanuelle]

And considering that most sponsors buy the cheapest bandwidth they could get you'll most likely loose more money due to longer loading times, routing issues or other stuff than you'd gain by saving a few $$$ for your own server.


I take offense to that. While it's not the least bit related to this thread, I gladly pay for premium hosting, as do most other program owners that I know personally. Servers that run flawlessly are crucial to my business. I cannot imagine where you dug up this little gem of misinformation.

[Greenguy]

I take offense to that. While it's not the least bit related to this thread, I gladly pay for premium hosting, as do most other program owners that I know personally. Servers that run flawlessly are crucial to my business. I cannot imagine where you dug up this little gem of misinformation.I'm pretty sure he's referring to the bandwidth & servers some sponsors use for their "free" sponsor hosting option.

[Kenny B!]

Kenny - you need to read the thread again - LLs will NOT accept domains hosted on sponsors hosting - no ifs ands or buts :) It doenst matter if its a subdomain, a real domain or a domain they transfer over - No sponsor hosting at all

/added - its the easiest and fastest way to get put on the blacklist :)


Really? I had no idea! Just out of curiosity how would a LL owner know who is hosing the domain?

[Greenguy]

Really? I had no idea! Just out of curiosity how would a LL owner know who is hosing the domain?If we told you that, you'd then start looking for ways around it & then we'd have to figure those out & then you'd try to find new ways around it.....

[Kenny B!]

If we told you that, you'd then start looking for ways around it & then we'd have to figure those out & then you'd try to find new ways around it.....

I'm not looking to cheat anyone, just curious how it would be possible to verify who's paying the hosting bill.

[Greenguy]

You might not be looking, but who knows who's reading this thread :D

[Linkster]

I take offense to that. While it's not the least bit related to this thread, I gladly pay for premium hosting, as do most other program owners that I know personally. Servers that run flawlessly are crucial to my business. I cannot imagine where you dug up this little gem of misinformation.


I agree with Greenie above - the hosting that most programs use for thier "sponsored domain hosting" and revshare hosting just plain sucks - I can think of 2 programs right off the top that do not suck - every other one Ive seen (and monitored) are up and down like a (fill in the blank with a catchy phrase) :)

[hjnet]

I take offense to that. While it's not the least bit related to this thread, I gladly pay for premium hosting, as do most other program owners that I know personally. Servers that run flawlessly are crucial to my business. I cannot imagine where you dug up this little gem of misinformation.

I've written "most" and not "all", so there are for sure some exceptions, but from my personal experience with some big programs I have to say that most of them use cogent for their free hosting. But I've mostly used sponsor free hosting for movie galleries in the past, so I didn't have a problem with that.
But a FreeSite doesn't eat up much BW anyway, so it's not worth to take the risk and put it on a free host IMHO.

[biztro]

I have no problems with freesites on free hosting. As long as its online it nor changed since validated it will be listed.

[fresh]

Kenny - you need to read the thread again - LLs will NOT accept domains hosted on sponsors hosting - no ifs ands or buts :) It doenst matter if its a subdomain, a real domain or a domain they transfer over - No sponsor hosting at all


/added - its the easiest and fastest way to get put on the blacklist :)

how do they know its sponsor hosting? I have a sponsor hosting at one sponsor- dns shows very reliable and expensive host.

[Linkster]

fresh - read post 15 :)

[fresh]

but still what i wanted to say-sometimes sponsor hosting is better then 50% of paid hosting used by submitters

[Greenguy]

but still what i wanted to say-sometimes sponsor hosting is better then 50% of paid hosting used by submittersWhile I wouldn't say it's 50%, I will say that I agree with you, which is why there's a lot of hosting companies that are blacklisted as well.

[Tekster]

how do they know its sponsor hosting? I have a sponsor hosting at one sponsor- dns shows very reliable and expensive host.

So take a chance that the LL owner will not notice or ban you from further submissions?

I don't think so. If most of the LL owners say NO FREE HOSTING, I think it is perfectly clear that should be NO FREE HOSTING. (Boy, what did I start here?)

As far as I am concerned, I will keep on making my sites and host them on my paid host, if the LL owner is happy, I am happy, and all is good. Why screw up a good thing?

[Greenguy]

So take a chance that the LL owner will not notice or ban you from further submissions?...That's a good point, because I know MML is a rotten prick when he finds someone using a sponsor host. He finds a big list of the submitter's domains & emails to add to the blacklist when this happens :D

[fresh]

i dont take any chance, i submit on paid hosting, just noticed that one sponsor hosting is much better then my paid one :)

[Greenguy]

i dont take any chance, i submit on paid hosting, just noticed that one sponsor hosting is much better then my paid one :)
Maybe you should move to that "very reliable and expensive host" :)

[fresh]

I dont earn that much to pay for that kind of hosting yet, actually i am very happy with my host, but you know there are BMW and there are Ferrari :)

[Linkster]

Hmmm - the most reliable host in the world right now is only $20 a month - and they are the most secure, never a downtime and cater to the adult WMs - with loads of bandwidth (a heck of a lot more that a free site submitter could ever use) for that $20

[fresh]

can we know what it is? or pm

[mihai]

While I wouldn't say it's 50%, I will say that I agree with you, which is why there's a lot of hosting companies that are blacklisted as well.

Is there a list with blacklisted hosting companies too?
I mean, if a newbie starts building free sites can he/she check a list of hosts to avoid in order to have his/her sites listed?

[mihai]

Hmmm - the most reliable host in the world right now is only $20 a month - and they are the most secure, never a downtime and cater to the adult WMs - with loads of bandwidth (a heck of a lot more that a free site submitter could ever use) for that $20

Same as fresh...
Can you post/pm an url?

[Greenguy]

Is there a list with blacklisted hosting companies too?
I mean, if a newbie starts building free sites can he/she check a list of hosts to avoid in order to have his/her sites listed?I don't know them all off the top of my head, but I can say that I can not think of one that's based in the US that's banned :)

[mihai]

Is it ok to post hosts names on the board?

[Linkster]

The best out there is colo-cation (http://www9.colo-cation.com/daviesinc,cc,linkster.html)
They have a virtual plan at $20 that would get you more than you need - and the guy that runs it is the most respected server whiz in the world (not just the US) :) - and you can see the speed and integrity differences immediately - I switched about 2 years ago and all of my sites run about 10 times as fast - I believe this board as well as some other LL owners are hosted there as well

Of course CD34 (his board name) monitors this board constantly as well