MadMoolah - DirtyDaisy.com [Archive]

Useless

2007-02-10, 12:43 PM

Mad Moolah (http://madmoolah.com/) is seriously lacking in ethics.

Go to Google's cache (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:sT291Kuyr7EJ:freefacialpics.net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html+http://freefacialpics.net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us) of a page which appears to be owned by someone from Mad Moolah and scroll down until you see the delightful image which reads "You Attempted to Steal a Picture You Could Have Gotten for Free at WhoringWives.com (http://www.whoringwives.com)" Yes, MadMoolah is hotlinking pictures from one of their affiliates sites. |thumb

Also, they're cleverly bypassing many sites' hotlink protection by hotlinking their thumbs through Google Images. Nice trick, cocksuckers.

Proof?

WHOIS for freefacialpics.net (http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=freefacialpics.net&prog_id=godaddy)
WHOIS for madmoolah.com (http://whois.uberdose.com/madmoolah.com)
WHOIS for DirtyDaisy.com (http://whois.uberdose.com/dirtydaisy.com)
Take notice of the address. :(

http://www.schnaggle.com and http://www.3xgals.com are amongst the victims.

The offending page is http: // freefacialpics . net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html which now redirects to Dirty Daisy's tour.

As you may imagine, I'll be killing off all of my DirtyDaisy promotional pages very soon.

Useless

2007-02-10, 01:27 PM

:D
I did some more, albeit simple, digging.

site:freefacialpics.net at Google

These asses have a bunch SE fodder pages now redirecting to DirtyDaisy.com.

How about a nice one for Raven Riley?
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/free-raven-riley.html
Google's cache (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:e_D9uvC7dF8J:www.freefacialpics.net/stb/free-raven-riley.html+site:freefacialpics.net&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=firefox-a)
and another:
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-hot.html
Google's cache (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Cfla0954bkEJ:www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-hot.html+site:freefacialpics.net&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

and so on:
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-xxx.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-clip.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-foot.html
http://www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-dick.html
http://freefacialpics.net/stb/FREE-RAVEN-RILEY-MOVIE.html

Greenguy

2007-02-10, 01:51 PM

So I guess Daisy really is dirty.
(I crack myself up)

Nice catch UW |thumb

fr0gman

2007-02-11, 01:19 AM

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 09:23 AM

Useless

2007-02-11, 10:36 AM

Hmmm....

Looks like a pretty "karmicly" balanced system to me.

You mentioned that the traffic was being redirected so the only bandwidth that is used is by spiders (and the links from this site). The guy/gal that put up this page gets a little SE traffic and the image hosts get incoming links with a minimum of bandwidth load. Seems pretty fair to me. Plus the images are coming from Google's cache.

If I were going to cry foul it would be toward Google (or Yahoo or even MSN) for even having an image index in the first place.

Seems this guy found a clever way to use Google for his benefit. I have to have some respect for that, but I don;t know that I would call him a cheat, per se.Well, it seems to me that you are an ignorant cunt. Hotlinking is hotlinking. If you are too fucking stupid to see how hotlinking from anyone, let alone your own god damned affiliate, is WRONG - then I'm amazed your brain can handle the processes which keep your filthy little body alive.

They weren't just hotlinking Google Images, they were also hotlinking an image directly from my site - IDIOT.

And how do you address the abuse of Raven Riley keywords and images in order to gain traffic for Dirty Daisy, moron?

Useless

2007-02-11, 10:42 AM

I just want to point out, I know that script that is being used, and Smokey The Bear on gfy wrote it....

Vegas and Angel are great people who go out of their way to help anyone at any time, I forwarded them this thread, I am 100% positive this will be cleared up in the next few hoursTick tock, tick tock. There is no clearing up to be done. All of the offending pages MUST be removed and then they may go quietly to hell. I don't care for apologies, or the standard sponsor routine of ignorance, denial and finally placing the blame upon some underling or hired help.

Toby

2007-02-11, 10:52 AM

...All of the offending pages MUST be removed...They were all 404 when I first read your post yesterday. The redirects you saw could have been due to a general 404 redirect like the one I use. ex: http://www.bevyofbabes.com/this-pg-doesnt-exist.html redirects to the warning page.

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 10:59 AM

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 11:00 AM

also, the more I check this script out, the more I realize it is automated.....it is an automated script grabbing image results from google images

Greenguy

2007-02-11, 11:13 AM

also, the more I check this script out, the more I realize it is automated.....it is an automated script grabbing image results from google imagesIgnorance (or stupidity for not knowing what the program does) is not a valid excuse.

Just ask Smashing Thumbs & the rest of the "legit" sites that used that SE spamming keyword naming page generating program (nice title, huh?) that stole traffic from every major LL & TGP out there a couple years back.

Useless

2007-02-11, 11:14 AM

wait, now I have questions

this has no images of yours, does it? http://freefacialpics.net/stb/DIRTY-DAISY-FREE.html

also, the only thing you can find is in google cache?

maybe he was doing some testing and pages got indexed?Testing what, hotlinking directly from me? Google's cache is all the evidence I need. At one point, they were obviously hotlinking an image from one of my pages - NOT via Google Image results - which is still wrong. Lazy bastards. Google's cache quite clearly displays their attempt to hotlink the image at this URL (http://www.whoringwives.com/real_wives/dirty_daisy/hardcore_fucking/images/dirty_daisy_10.jpg). They had that linked to my image, not to the gallery page itself. No surfer would ever see my page, just my stolen image.

Whether or not they altered the page to no longer hotlink my image is neither here nor there. A page of theirs remains live which robs me of SE traffic. I'm not going into detail because I don't want to teach this trick to more theiving bastards.

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 11:22 AM

Testing what, hotlinking directly from me? Google's cache is all the evidence I need. At one point, they were obviously hotlinking an image from one of my pages - NOT via Google Image results - which is still wrong. Lazy bastards. Google's cache quite clearly displays their attempt to hotlink the image at this URL (http://www.whoringwives.com/real_wives/dirty_daisy/hardcore_fucking/images/dirty_daisy_10.jpg).

Whether or not they altered the page to no longer hotlink my image is neither here nor there. A page of theirs remains live which robs me of SE traffic. I'm not going into detail because I don't want to teach this trick to more theiving bastards.

Actually, SmokeyTheBear on GFY is selling copies of this script on gfy, calling "Blackhat SEO Script", I think Blake was playing it for a while and never really did anything with it...he is asleep now though, so I won't speak for him, but I truely beleive this was something he played with for a while and never developed anything

if he is someone you have been working with in the past, why not go to him first and figure it out?

if you look at the url, it even says stb as the directory, so I know for a fact this was just him playing with shit

also, check out the other results
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Afreefacialpics.net&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLJ

they ALL 404 now, so it very well could have been him playing with the script during a google update, the pages got cached and indexed, and he pulled it all down a week later

I am not making excuses for him, but I KNOW Vegas is a good guy, and with the recent events that have happened to him and Angel, the LAST thing he would EVER do to anyone is fuck anyone over or be shady

Useless

2007-02-11, 11:38 AM

Jeezy Creezy pudding pie! I've never heard of SmokeyTheBear and certainly have never worked with him and I'm not sure why you'd assume that I had.

The offending domain is registered to the same address as MadMoolah.com and DirtyDaisy.com. They are at fault. Therefore, they've lost my 10 hits per day. :D

they ALL 404 now, so it very well could have been him playing with the script during a google update, the pages got cached and indexed, and he pulled it all down a week laterAnd 404ing to their own Dirty Daisy promotional page is a good thing, when they are using the name "Raven Riley" as their primary keyword phrase on many of those pages?

I don't know Vegas and Angel and I don't know about their personal lives. I know that their site has been juggled from sponsor to sponsor and I know that I signed up to promote them back when they were still just CCBill. Any page I have promoting them was built before they started the juggling process and I've had to change the linking codes a couple of times, though I've never once received any warning that they were changing programs. Always had to figure it out on my own.

BTW - I don't post at GFY, nor do I bathe in a mixture of shit and vomit, so please don't assume that I know everything the surfmasters at GFY know. ;)

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 11:41 AM

I've never heard of SmokeyTheBear and certainly have never worked with him and I'm not sure why you'd assume that I had.

now, come on, where did you see my saying that? I was just informing you, after you had said you don't want info to get out, that a user on gfy was selling a script that did this to hundreds of people

Useless

2007-02-11, 11:48 AM

now, come on, where did you see my saying that? I was just informing you, after you had said you don't want info to get out, that a user on gfy was selling a script that did this to hundreds of peopleThat's what I'm getting from this statement:
if he is someone you have been working with in the past, why not go to him first and figure it out?Are we to continue arguing this nonsense or what? I don't see where you even figure into this picture.

SOMEONE from MadMoolah clearly hotlinked my image, abused my domain name in the process, and used another much more popular personality's name in order to steal SE traffic. If you keep playing this squirrelly game of half-ass defending them, I'm going to have to tell you to fuck yourself - because I really don't have time for this shit. I could be watching tv!

Toby

2007-02-11, 11:50 AM

...I've never once received any warning that they were changing programs. Always had to figure it out on my own.I *did* receive notice on the change last May. I wasn't an affiliate when the site was CCBill, so I can't speak to that one. But either way, WTF does that have to do with the current topic at hand?

I don't know Angel & Vegas as well as Jace, but I find it very difficult to beleive that they'd do anything deliberately deceptive.

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 11:52 AM

fine then, I thought we were just having a little discussion, obviously you were arguing.....later

Greenguy

2007-02-11, 11:54 AM

...I forwarded them this thread, I am 100% positive this will be cleared up in the next few hoursI say we wait to see what they have to say & then we can go from there, because all anyone is doing in here (myself included) is speculating.

Useless

2007-02-11, 12:10 PM

I don't know Angel & Vegas as well as Jace, but I find it very difficult to beleive that they'd do anything deliberately deceptive.Must have been the ghost which haunts MadMoolah's office.

Am I imagining all of this? Am I lying? It could be my unbalanced and unmedicated paranoia, but every time someone defends the people, or the actions of the people who have cheated me, I feel like I'm the one being accused of the wrong-doing. This may call for a group hug in order for me to regain my bearing.

Toby

2007-02-11, 01:05 PM

...Am I imagining all of this? Am I lying?...No, I don't think you're imagining it or lying. My past experience with Angel and Vegas just makes me think there's most likely a reasonable explanation.

MM-Vegas

2007-02-11, 04:23 PM

I’m not here to give a “standardized” sponsor answer, but simply to tell you what happened, whether you chose to take that at face value is your choice since it’s obvious that you have an issue with us and our program…which incidentally was sold Dirty Daisy back in March of last year so how was it our responsibility to notify you that we had been sold the site? I would imagine the selling party would have e-mailed you, and know for a fact that they did send out a standardized e-mail as it ended up on the boards a week later.

Anyhow back to the point at hand, yes this was an seo script that is the same script being sold by STB on GFY. I was attempting to make use of the script and after a week or two of playing with it found I neither had the time nor energy to make it work correctly. However, since you seem not to know what this script is, it automatically will build a page depending on what a surfer types in, if someone types in Raven it will pull from googles images pictures of raven that, when clicked on, will go to the image themselves. If your image was linked to it was done so because it was indexed in Google’s images.

I had intended to make some use of the script through more research but have found, as I stated above, I neither have the time nor energy to play with it and tweak it to work correctly and have pulled it from my server. Cached pages…well I can do nothing about those. Anyhow it’s obvious that you are not going to be satisfied with any explanation given but there it is.

Useless

2007-02-11, 04:40 PM

Anyhow it’s obvious that you are not going to be satisfied with any explanation given but there it is.How about a fucking apology, you hotlinking cocksucker?

All you've explained is that you are an irresponsible fucking idiot. I had no issue with your program until I discovered that you were attempting to HOTLINK AN IMAGE DIRECTLY FROM MY SITE. I may be able to get beyond you hotlinking images from Google, but you were quite clearly hotlinking an image from my site. http://www.uselesswarrior.com/dirtydaisy-source.gif Look at your code:
<img src="http://www.whoringwives.com/real_wives/dirty_daisy/hardcore_fucking/images/dirty_daisy_10.jpg" alt="DIRTY DAISY FREE" OnError=this.src="http://freefacialpics.net/stb/error.jpg">

My past experience with Angel and Vegas just makes me think there's most likely a reasonable explanation.Was that the reasonable explanation you were hoping for? Would you, if it were you, consider that to be acceptable?

MM-Vegas

2007-02-11, 04:49 PM

UW, the image that is hotlinked is pulled by the script from a google search done by the script, everything to the script is automated after it has been set up correctly. I do apologize that this image was hotlinked by the script, it is obvious that I was not intentionally doing this to harm anyone otherwise the script would still be up and running don't you think?

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 04:50 PM

I don't care for apologies

How about a fucking apology

LOL, make up your mind

it was an honest mistake man, he gave you a perfectly reasonable response....anyone looking in with an unbiased view would think you might be making a little more out of this than necessary

Useless

2007-02-11, 04:54 PM

Vegas, all I know is this - I work my ass off to gain every rotten little SE hit I can get. That's why it burns my ball hair to discover someone pulling my potential traffic using black hat trickery. As I stated earlier in the thread, I don't want to reveal everything, but at least one of your pages appears in Google search which should only display pages on my domain. It's black hat and it hurts us all. :(

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 04:57 PM

UW, do you know if there is a way to get links manually removed from google without a whole site getting removed? It would be definitely handy in this case

Useless

2007-02-11, 04:58 PM

LOL, make up your mind

it was an honest mistake man, he gave you a perfectly reasonable response....anyone looking in with an unbiased view would think you might be making a little more out of this than necessaryWHO THE FUCK IS EVEN TALKING TO YOU? Do you know who I am? DO YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM??? Okay, so I'm nobody, but that's not the point. |club|

Purchasing and employing a black hat SEO script is not an honest mistake.

BTW, anyone with an unbiased view who takes the side of an SE spammer can go fuck themselves. Especially you, Jace. Go fuck yourself.

Useless

2007-02-11, 04:59 PM

UW, do you know if there is a way to get links manually removed from google without a whole site getting removed? It would be definitely handy in this caseToo late, I've reported it via Google's spam report. Homie don't play.

DangerDave

2007-02-11, 05:00 PM

I was not intentionally doing this to harm anyone otherwise the script would still be up and running don't you think?
So what was your intention..???

If the scripts only purpose is to steal other peoples work and use it for you advantage, what was your intention?

Were you hoping the script would make you a cup of coffee??!.

A SCRIPT on your server controlled by you and working for you IS YOUR RESPONSIBILTY!

If the "naughty script" goes out and steals keywords images and page structures from other peoples site...
YOU ARE THE THIEF not the SCRIPT!

DD

Greenguy

2007-02-11, 05:28 PM

UW, do you know if there is a way to get links manually removed from google without a whole site getting removed? It would be definitely handy in this caseYou can do it thru their webmaster tools section after you register yourself & prove it's your domain.

Preacher

2007-02-11, 05:49 PM

...it was an honest mistake man, he gave you a perfectly reasonable response....anyone looking in with an unbiased view would think you might be making a little more out of this than necessary
I guess I'm not unbiased then.

Anyhow back to the point at hand, yes this was an seo script that is the same script being sold by STB on GFY. I was attempting to make use of the script and after a week or two of playing with it found I neither had the time nor energy to make it work correctly. However, since you seem not to know what this script is, it automatically will build a page depending on what a surfer types in, if someone types in Raven it will pull from googles images pictures of raven that, when clicked on, will go to the image themselves. If your image was linked to it was done so because it was indexed in Google’s images.

I had intended to make some use of the script through more research but have found, as I stated above, I neither have the time nor energy to play with it and tweak it to work correctly and have pulled it from my server. Cached pages…well I can do nothing about those. Anyhow it’s obvious that you are not going to be satisfied with any explanation given but there it is.
So I don't get it. Are you saying that the hotlinking of these images without a link to their hosted location was only a side effect of the script not being set up correctly? If so - much like DD - I'd be very curious as to the harmless intent of a "Blackhat SEO Script".

fr0gman

2007-02-11, 07:42 PM

Well, it seems to me that you are an ignorant cunt. Hotlinking is hotlinking. If you are too fucking stupid to see how hotlinking from anyone, let alone your own god damned affiliate, is WRONG - then I'm amazed your brain can handle the processes which keep your filthy little body alive.

They weren't just hotlinking Google Images, they were also hotlinking an image directly from my site - IDIOT.

And how do you address the abuse of Raven Riley keywords and images in order to gain traffic for Dirty Daisy, moron?

Where do you get off coming at me that way? You are nothing more than a keyboard commando with an obvious lack of understanding of how the world works.

I assure you that if you knew me or anything about me you would take a much different approach. I strongly encourage you to address me in a different manner in the future.

Now, let's address your statements...

Well, it seems to me... <useless insults that might get you in trouble deleted>. Hotlinking is hotlinking. If you are too <more walking-on-thin-ice BS removed> to see how hotlinking from anyone, let alone your own god damned affiliate, is WRONG

Let me understand this... DirtyDaisy provided you with free content to promote and then you get your thong in a twist because that content appeared in a Google scrape. Ok, the simple solution for you, if this is really bothering you is to A) put hot link protection on your site. B) use the robots.txt file to insure that none of your precious SPONSOR PROVIDED content gets into the index.

And how do you address the abuse of Raven Riley keywords and images in order to gain traffic for Dirty Daisy, moron?

I covered this in the original post but since it is obvious that you are a short-bus'er I will cover it again and this time I will type slowly.

In every one of your examples the originating site has a link back to the image location. Anyone with even medium intellect can see that the originating sites are getting tons of inbound links where they would not otherwise.

Take a pill get over this and refrain from calling me the same names that you mother calls you.

Linkster

2007-02-11, 08:35 PM

UW - the easiest way to take care of this is to report the issue to Google using the spam report located inside the webmasters tools area (the login sction) as these actually get read - the offending domain should get removed from Google within a day or two
Secondly, and more importantly, while I see both sides as I know how those scripts work and they do scrape the links that Google has pointing back to your site, you are very correct in that if someone does something whether intentional or not (although in this case the use of a tool like that makes it intentional no matter what) - they are held responsible the same way any program is for anything that is outside the relationship boundries we tend to develop in the biz.

This is very similar to what one sponsor has been doing for many years (Dave will back me up on this one) and still does it to this day - which has led to that sponsor being blacklisted many places (although they are evidently going out of business now) and the loss of many WMs promoting them.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-11, 10:02 PM

smokey here .

I'm the guy who created this script.

Let me start off by saying this was a one time sale to a select group of people ( i.e. under 20 ) that have this script..

I should also explain what this script does..

It scours the web for videos using PUBLIC api's from various se's like google and yahoo.

In essence it combined the ability of google images google video yahoo images and yahoo video into one search engine.

The content is pulled much the same way google pulls its content for its own se..

with one BIG BIG difference..

Here is an example of my script in action

http://www.smokeycash.com/bh/fiona-apple.html

it links to each image or video directly , in addition it shows a random image/video "inline" as a top result" , under these top results are backlink to the owner of the content.. so im giving credit to each and every owner of the content show inline..

After looking thru the copy i notice this portion was deleted in the copy he was given from the template..

The entire script is template driven so as to allow easy manipulation of the page layout..

There is a built in ability to have certain sites "banned" from being displayed if the need arises.

In cases like this i like to leave it up to the program owner to decide what to do . If someone doesnt want their content displayed honestly we dont need it and isnt worth the hassle , im always glad to not list your media on the site hru the ban database.

but i should remind you , google and yahoo api's are publicly available and being used.. and they DONT give you a backlink , wheras my site does..

zack2004

2007-02-11, 10:04 PM

Black hat = BAD
Sorry to here about the penis destruction pills, UW |couch|.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-11, 10:04 PM

i take full responsobility as i gave him the template with the missing credit in the template , but i assure you, i built this script with webmasters in mind.

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 10:11 PM

fr0gman

2007-02-11, 10:15 PM

you know, I just noticed, and I didn't before, that the script actually does give a link back....LOL...jesus, I have never seen someone complain about getting a free one way link, the time are a changin I guess

and just to clarify, from my standpoint, this isn't really "black hat" at all.....

The people complaining (at least as far as my research on this board shows) would complain about the rain and sunny weather.

Seems like I pointed that out the link back in the beginning and was called some rather unflattering names for which I am still awaiting an apology.

My guess is that once people begin to see the actual way this script works the vocal minority will fade into the woodwork like all keyboard commandos.

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 10:20 PM

The people complaining (at least as far as my research on this board shows) would complain about the rain and sunny weather.

Seems like I pointed that out the link back in the beginning and was called some rather unflattering names for which I am still awaiting an apology.

My guess is that once people begin to see the actual way this script works the vocal minority will fade into the woodwork like all keyboard commandos.

i think you sir, have hit the nail on the head

http://www.smokeycash.com/bh/useless-warrior.html

fr0gman

2007-02-11, 10:29 PM

i think you sir, have hit the nail on the head

http://www.smokeycash.com/bh/useless-warrior.html

I think I remember seeing a post on another board that starts with a G and ends with a Y that said, "Stop your bitching because someone out SEO'ed you."

I am not sure if that applies here but it just came to mind.

BTW, if you read the TOS for any search engine it will tell you that ANY SEO is against the TOS and therefore "blackhat".

The only thing I hate worse than a whiner is a tattletale.

zack2004

2007-02-11, 10:33 PM

Judging from the last url in JaceXXX's post, I think I'm headed for a nice quite bunker in Cheyenne Mountain (move over Mr VP) until this over |goodidea .

JaceXXX

2007-02-11, 10:34 PM

Judging from the last url in JaceXXX's post, I think I'm headed for a nice quite bunker in Cheyenne Mountain (move over Mr VP) until this over |goodidea .

dude, that is dynamically generated on the fly

http://www.smokeycash.com/bh/zack2004.html

zack2004

2007-02-11, 10:45 PM

dude, that is dynamically generated on the fly
Wow, what will they think up next? |haha

fr0gman

2007-02-11, 10:51 PM

My personal favorite is: http://www.smokeycash.com/bh/whoringwives.html

DangerDave

2007-02-11, 11:45 PM

You people obviously went to the *** school of webmaster ethics... Fuck everyone else as long as your making money... |thumb nice!

It is really quite simple....... you are using other peoples images and text and keywords to create pages that benefit yourself.... that is called theft, copyright infringement , and trademark infringement..

Luckily Google will be right on to shit like this and it is unlikely to last more than a few days..

http://www.smokeycash.com/bh/whoringwives.html - I feel a DMCA coming on!

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...... is sooooooooooooooo 90's!(and completely useless)

... that the script actually does give a link back ..and that is meant to equal the infringements and bandwidth use?? Jeez thats big of you..! Pity the link "rotates" and only points to the true owner occasionally.:(

I don't care if spammers have a link to me, they still get reported and DMCA'd, and in fact if they have a link to me, I make sure I get the pages taken down..

Stop your bitching because someone out SEO'ed you LOL, now that is funny... I don't think any one here got "out SEO'd", I think someone with a script that generates copyright/trademark infringements and SE spam got noticed... whooppee!

What I really want to know is who PAID for the script? and is there a money back guarantee??

DD

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 12:02 AM

It is really quite simple....... you are using other peoples images and text and keywords to create pages that benefit yourself....
Congrats you just defined what a search engine is.

What I really want to know is who PAID for the script?

they were lined up hand over fist.. read above , only a few people got the script ..

and is there a money back guarantee??

DD

actually there is and was at any time :)

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 12:07 AM

I don't care if spammers have a link to me, they still get reported and DMCA'd, and in fact if they have a link to me, I make sure I get the pages taken down..

better hit up google and yahoo then because its the same thing except they dont give you any credit..

I think someone with a script that generates copyright/trademark infringements and SE spam got noticed... whooppee!

get off the glue thats not at all what its about , its an se script , live with it.. dont want your stuff on google read their faq's on how to remove yourself from se's ,what you are reading is pulled from google. so it will be removed when google removes you from its index.
I dont control google

fr0gman

2007-02-12, 12:16 AM

I don't care if spammers have a link to me, they still get reported and DMCA'd, and in fact if they have a link to me, I make sure I get the pages taken down..

Please send me a DCMA so that my attorney can promptly send you a GFY.

fr0gman

2007-02-12, 12:19 AM

get off the glue thats not at all what its about , its an se script , live with it.. dont want your stuff on google read their faq's on how to remove yourself from se's ,what you are reading is pulled from google. so it will be removed when google removes you from its index.
I dont control google

I seem to recall suggesting this too.... hmmmm.

"I'm gonna tell Google on you." Fuck that! You people man up and hone your skills or STFU. The days of being able to get ahead by the same-old-same old are long gone.

You people amuse me.

JaceXXX

2007-02-12, 12:37 AM

I never thought i would see the day that normal webmasters bitch and moan about a search engine script giving them free backlinks

geez, this biz never ceases to amaze me

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 12:41 AM

You people amuse me.

You people don't amuse me... I think it's sad that you are so ill-informed.

dont want your stuff on google read their faq's on how to remove yourself from se's
better hit up google and yahoo then because its the same thing except they dont give you any credit..
So you people think that if something is listed in Google then it is fair game for your site/pages???

You are sadly mistaken...!

I give/gave/have given permission for Google to use/post/display more text pages and images.. but you know I never gave Trolls Incorporated persmission, so when Trolls Incorporated uses my text/images etc, it is copyright and trademark infringement.

It is really quite simple..

Frogman, if you really have an "attorney" get him to explain it to you.... better yet,.. get him(or her) to come here and explain it to you.. so we don't have to explain it again to the next bunch of cowboys.

DD

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 12:43 AM

I never thought i would see the day that normal webmasters bitch and moan about a search engine script giving them free backlinks

FREE BACKLINKS??!!
WTF!!

Backlinks from script generated, non-relevant, google scraped spam pages............. LOL if that is the best backlinks you can get.. good luck to you :D

DD

JaceXXX

2007-02-12, 12:46 AM

LOL...this place is hilarious

thanks for the laugh guys, I am goin to bed

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 01:20 AM

So you people think that if something is listed in Google then it is fair game for your site/pages???

no what I am saying is i am a search engine just like google

explain the difference ?

I give/gave/have given permission for Google to use/post/display more text pages and images.. but you know I never gave Trolls Incorporated persmission, so when Trolls Incorporated uses my text/images etc, it is copyright and trademark infringement.

you have given permission to google and most people haven't, my search engine is the same as google its an opt-out not opt-in. I never asked nor gave permission for google to display my site on their se.. google and yahoo have given me permission to use their results on my site in the form of PUBLIC api's [/quote]

It is really quite simple..

it is quite simple that why i have a hard time understanding why your upset.. If you dont want your publicly accessable pictures or text to be seen , dont give public access to them..

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 01:25 AM

FREE BACKLINKS??!!
WTF!!

Backlinks from script generated,

lol script generated pages are bad ? LOL

non-relevant,

relevence is your on opinion.

se's seem to think otherwise :)

Check how many backlinks google has given you lately. :) ZERO..

mine gives you 1 .. now lets see , if you had 1 ice cream are you better off than having 0 ice creams ?

You may not like the type of ice cream but its ice cream none the less :) and its better tha no ice cream..

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 01:45 AM

no what I am saying is i am a search engine just like google
Oh OK.... so you are equivalent to Google now.?? is that what you are trying to tell me?

my search engine is the same as google its an opt-out not opt-in
Ok... so if I give you a list of our x hundred domains you will make sure your script never "scrapes" them...?

If you dont want your publicly accessable pictures or text to be seen , dont give public access to them..
OK so if I post something ON MY SITE, you think that you have the right to do what you want with what I have posted.. because it's now "public"?! is that right?

Last I saw "public domain" use of copyrighted material/images went out with the ark....

script generated pages are bad ?
Of course they are...... because they are generated se spam pages that have the same format/structure.

Check how many backlinks google has given you lately. ZERO..
Ok.. so now you work for Google and know how many backlinks I have?

.... and to complete the demonstration of your extensive ignorance in regard to Google...........

You may not like the type of ice cream but its ice cream none the less and its better tha no ice cream.
Yes.... without question.... I would rather have NO LINKS than one from script generated, non-relevant, google scraped spam pages.

DD

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 02:56 AM

Oh OK.... so you are equivalent to Google now.?? is that what you are trying to tell me?

yes a search engine is a search engine is a search engine , are you telling me google has inherent right to do things others shouldnt ?

Ok... so if I give you a list of our x hundred domains you will make sure your script never "scrapes" them...?

exactly , thats how google works.. same way my site doesnt "scrape" your site in any way it collects data from publicly accesible api's given by the se's for web developers to use on their site

your barking up the wrong tree , tell yahoo not to give out api's

OK so if I post something ON MY SITE, you think that you have the right to do what you want with what I have posted.. because it's now "public"?! is that right?

i didnt say that at all , i certainly have the right to link to it, thats what makes the internet the internet.

Last I saw "public domain" use of copyrighted material/images went out with the ark....

last i heard se's were exempt thats how google gets to do it and every other popular search engine. they certainly dont wait for people to submit their pages LOL

Of course they are...... because they are generated se spam pages that have the same format/structure.

hmm relevent pages with relevent content.. and your beef is the pages look the same ? so does this forum .. i guess greenguy is a spammer

Ok.. so now you work for Google and know how many backlinks I have?

look if your going to act like a child i will treat you like one..

.... and to complete the demonstration of your extensive ignorance in regard to Google...........

YOU dont have ANY "BACKLINKS from google dipshit..

googl doesnt give credit for sites found in their results . go look at their robots.txt you will see why

|banghead|

Yes.... without question.... I would rather have NO LINKS than one from script generated, non-relevant, google scraped spam pages.

DD

unfortunately thats not how search engines work, they dont ask permission first.

How is every page having relevent content " non-relevant" are you brain dead ? hello this forum is script generated you idiot..

Useless

2007-02-12, 08:02 AM

i take full responsobility as i gave him the template with the missing credit in the template , but i assure you, i built this script with webmasters in mind.Not only was there no back link, it was also hotlinking an image directly from me, not just Google Images. Was that part of the template or did Vegas add that himself?

Also, shall I assume that the dynamic page bearing my domain name, which was posted by your frog-friend, will appear in the SEs after Google (and others) bot this thread? I would consider that injurious to my domain. That single link back, buried on the page, won't count for shit against the excessive use of my domain name in both text and images.
you know, I just noticed, and I didn't before, that the script actually does give a link back....LOL...jesus, I have never seen someone complain about getting a free one way link, the time are a changin I guessHow is your unbiased opinion coming along? As Smokey just admitted, I received no back link. So you're just blabbering.

Frogboy - eat me.

Licker4U

2007-02-12, 09:10 AM

A little off topic but why is there a "T" in SmokeyTBear?

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 02:14 PM

Not only was there no back link, it was also hotlinking an image directly from me, not just Google Images. Was that part of the template or did Vegas add that himself?

Read up in th thread.. the script is built on a template system , as i explained his template didnt have the credit part in his template that i gave him because it was a test server just like the one posted above

Also, shall I assume that the dynamic page bearing my domain name, which was posted by your frog-friend, will appear in the SEs after Google (and others) bot this thread?

I cant stop google from spidering greenguy nor can i stop them spidering my site. Thats how search engines work. The script is on a test server that has no pages listed in google , it was an example of how the script works, if your truly worried about it , like i said theres a proper way to have your stuff removed from the se's and i'd be appy to work with you , if not thats your choise

I hate to have to explain what a domain is but here goes.. YAHOO is not a domain , YAHOO.com is a domain

Are you trying to tell me that people arent allowed to mention the name of a domain ?? cmon now lol are you telling me you have never mentioned a site name on your site ?

You ask google everytime you say "google" ?

I would consider that injurious to my domain. That single link back, buried on the page, won't count for shit against the excessive use of my domain name in both text and images.

If you dont want se's crawling your site TURN IT OFF. Did i give you permission to mention my site above ? nope

so its do as i say not as i do ?

Should google remove greenguy because it has hotlinked pictures with 0 credit ?

I understand its a somewhat confusing issue for you , but theres no point being rude, we are all on the same team of life

Useless

2007-02-12, 03:13 PM

I understand its a somewhat confusing issue for you , but theres no point being rude, we are all on the same team of lifeSmokey, this is not at all a confusing topic for me. I really don't understand why you feel it necessary to talk down to me.

Where did I say or imply that I didn't want Google crawling and indexing my pages? You are making an absurd assumption or you aren't quite comprehending my posts.

What I don't want is for surfers to go to Google, type in "mydomainname" (as a compound word, obviously searching for my site) and get YOUR page with it's one BURIED link back. I, and any other reasonable non-cheating webmaster, would perceive that as traffic theft. If a friend links to my site, or mentions my site on theirs, that's fine. But if someone deliberately uses my site's name in order to gain traffic for themselves while creating a potential loss for me, that, I take as a hostile move against my interests.

So I'm left to assume, since you don't care to address the point directly, that your script and the template you created is at fault for directly hotlinking the image from my site, as seen in G's cache of his page. This entire thread is based upon the hotlinking of a single image - which I have since deleted. You can keep taking this thread away from that point, but all it does draw more attention to the fact that Vegas of MadMoolah hotlinked one of my images, most likely due to your less than honest script.

By the way, we are most definately not on the same team. I pride myself in being an honest, hard working webmaster.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 04:06 PM

Where did I say or imply that I didn't want Google crawling and indexing my pages?

You said you dont want the word of your site being displayed on se's or partularly my se yet you dont seem to understand how search engines work..

You place a txt file in your root directory outlining what folders you dont want to give public access to.

Once you do that your site wont be displayed on se's like mine.

What I don't want is for surfers to go to Google, type in "mydomainname" (as a compound word, obviously searching for my site) and get YOUR page with it's one BURIED link back.

then block access to se's im not going to keep explaining to you how to use a fucking se

I, and any other reasonable non-cheating webmaster, would perceive that as traffic theft.

google is traffic theft ? your talking crazy talk ..

se's commit traffic theft by linking to you ?

|banghead|

If a friend links to my site, or mentions my site on theirs, that's fine.

you mentioned my site above , i didnt give you permission are you a traffic thief ?

But if someone deliberately uses my site's name in order to gain traffic for themselves while creating a potential loss for me, that, I take as a hostile move against my interests.

nobody deliberatley used your site name , its an se , go to google type in your name guess what results..

So I'm left to assume, since you don't care to address the point directly, that your script and the template you created is at fault for directly hotlinking the image from my site, as seen in G's cache of his page.

try reading the thread.. pay close attention to the post that i ack's it was my fault for giving him the template without the courtesy link because it was a test script.

This entire thread is based upon the hotlinking of a single image

that you yourself have done am i correct ?

That both yahoo and google do , but neither of them give you backlink and furthermore yahoo disables your google adsense code and all cookie and javascript on your site..

um ok..

Useless

2007-02-12, 04:08 PM

Holy Fuck! You are a complete imbecile! Truly, you have me astonished at your utter fucking stupidity. I am in awe.

DJilla

2007-02-12, 04:08 PM

So I'm left to assume, since you don't care to address the point directly, that your script and the template you created is at fault for directly hotlinking the image from my site, as seen in G's cache of his page. This entire thread is based upon the hotlinking of a single image - which I have since deleted. You can keep taking this thread away from that point,

That is the bottom line. Simple issue that never seemed to get covered always only what the script does in google and yahoo.

Useless

2007-02-12, 04:38 PM

Greenguy

2007-02-12, 04:41 PM

So if Fusker links back to you after hotlinking all your images, it's ok.

Good to know |thumb

Useless

2007-02-12, 04:45 PM

So if Fusker links back to you after hotlinking all your images, it's ok.

Good to know |thumbOf course! But these modern SEOs don't like to use the term hotlinking. They prefer dynamic image indexing or assfucking.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 05:46 PM

So if Fusker links back to you after hotlinking all your images, it's ok.

Good to know |thumb

my search script it neither fusker nor does it hotlink all your pics. its a search engine just like google or yahoo.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 05:48 PM

Woohoo! Look at all the great links I'm getting for free! Wow, these inventive new SEs are genius. I'm going to have to get a bigger mailbox to handle all of the checks! |boobies|
http://www.fusker.lv/index.php?lid=34568&query=whoringwives.com&

thanks for explaining that you dont understand the difference between a backlink and a link to a picture that wont give you any credit

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 05:57 PM

Don't call me a dipshit ya fucking trogolodyte!

Answer this one question for me....

Why did you make this script?

Answer that and it should become clear why I think you are bloodsucking, parasitic, free-loader!

DD

Greenguy

2007-02-12, 06:02 PM

my search script it neither fusker nor does it hotlink all your pics. its a search engine just like google or yahoo.I think the key word there is "all"

So hotlinking some, most, a few, half or just one is ok?

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 06:08 PM

I think the key word there is "all"

So hotlinking some, most, a few, half or just one is ok?

you tell me ? are there hotlinked pictures on this forum ?

Is it ok when yahoo does it with all your pics then offers them to webmasters like myself to use ? even offering the ability ( that i chose NOT to use ) of searching by domain..

Useless

2007-02-12, 06:08 PM

thanks for explaining that you dont understand the difference between a backlink and a link to a picture that wont give you any creditSorry, I didn't realize that my facetiousness would put you beyone your depth. I'll try to use small words and avoid any humor, if possible.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 06:14 PM

Don't call me a dipshit ya fucking trogolodyte!

don't call me a trogolodyte dipshit :D

Answer this one question for me....

Why did you make this script?

to allow users to offer the ability to search yahoo , google and youtube at the same time. not a hard concept.

Infact i can explain exactly how i came up with the idea..

One day i noticed 3gb of bandwidth from yahoo images for the month.

So i go and check and i notice yahoo has disabled my adsense code and disabled cookie tracking and disabled all my movies and javascript.. leaving only the picture , with no profit for me. and NO backlink

So i decided , i should build a system that HELPS webmasters by offering the EXACT same service but WITH backlinks so the webmaster gets to make money

Answer that and it should become clear why I think you are bloodsucking, parasitic, free-loader!

DD

Sounds like you have already made up your mind..

Useless

2007-02-12, 06:15 PM

you tell me ? are there hotlinked pictures on this forum ?

Is it ok when yahoo does it with all your pics then offers them to webmasters like myself to use ? even offering the ability ( that i chose NOT to use ) of searching by domain..Idiot, you are NOT a search engine. I, and many others, deliberately allow Yahoo and Google Images to hotlink our images while blocking all other hotlinking cunts, such as yourself. What don't you understand about this? How may we assist a small mind like yours in grasping that which is so obvious to the rest of us? Sincerely, we're here to help. Even retarded webmasters deserve our love.

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 06:21 PM

See it' is all becoming clear now...

You say you made this for "users", but you sold it to webmasters.
(I am going to assume that by users you meant surfers, or else you would have used the term 'webmaster')

If you did mean 'webmasters' when you said users , then why do 'webmasters' need "the ability to search yahoo , google and youtube at the same time"

but then you say.... "a system that HELPS webmasters by offering the EXACT same service but WITH backlinks so the webmaster gets to make money"

So far the only webmasters that has had any gain or loss out of it is UW and he lost bandwidth. That is not an outcome he desired.

DD

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 06:21 PM

if you really want i can take out the "top picture" on my test script if it makes you feel better but to be honest its not going to make a difference, that version i posted was just to showcase how it works so unless google is typing in its own searches it wont get found. I cant make the rest of the internet comply but i can pass along your worries to the few people that have the script..

Some friendly advice though. lots of people are using these api's as they are handed out by se's for webmasters to use these results on their own site. so its kind of silly to be worried about the guys on the end of the chain.. your much better off getting your content takes off the se's by using the appropriate bots text as mentioned earlier

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 06:25 PM

Idiot, you are NOT a search engine.

go look it up .. maybe you dont understand the concept of what a search engine is , i dont have the time to teach you the basics of the internet son.

blah blah inslt insult childish insult.

So far all you have explained is you dont know how a search engine works , dont want your stuff removed and dont know how to keep bots from crawling your site, your childish and cant answer a single question posed.. a real winner here folks..

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 06:28 PM

i dont have the time to teach you the basics of the internet son.

Based on your understanding of the internet, there is NO CHANCE IN HELL that you could teach anyone anything.........

DD

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 06:31 PM

See it' is all becoming clear now...

You say you made this for "users", but you sold it to webmasters.
(I am going to assume that by users you meant surfers, or else you would have used the term 'webmaster')

maybe if you paid attention instead of making foolish assumptions you would understand

do you have a question ?

The script is a search engine script that crawls and databases images and videos whats so fucking hard to understand.

I made it so WEBMASTERS could allow SURFERS to find images and pictures using the search engine..

much like how when you go to msn images its the same as yahoo images

but then you say.... "a system that HELPS webmasters by offering the EXACT same service but WITH backlinks so the webmaster gets to make money"

So far the only webmasters that has had any gain or loss out of it is UW and he lost bandwidth. That is not an outcome he desired.

DD

let me explain the ice cream example again..

yahoo and google give you ZERO ice creams , i give you ONE ice cream, we all offer the same service ..

blink twice if you understand ;)

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 06:33 PM

Based on your understanding of the internet, there is NO CHANCE IN HELL that you could teach anyone anything.........

DD

lol i write tutorials all the time son..

Useless

2007-02-12, 06:42 PM

So far all you have explained is you dont know how a search engine works , dont want your stuff removed and dont know how to keep bots from crawling your site, your childish and cant answer a single question posed.. a real winner here folks..I've explained no such thing. I do know how to keep bots from crawling my site, but I have no reason to. I have better than a basic understanding of SEO, whether or not you choose make baseless claims to the contrary. You are a fool who is accustomed to touting his wares amongst surfers and ignorant sig whores at the zoo. One can't expect you to mix well with true professional webmasters. I'm not sure why it's called the zoo. Kennel is more appropriate. Or pound. A home to unwanted flea-bitten dogs who can't be trained to not piss in their own mouths.

You're entire purpose here is to keep repeating nonsense in order to avoid prosecution by your peers. Useless doesn't know this, Useless doesn't know that, blah, blah, blah. But I can assure you, son, most everyone here at GG&Jim knows me, or has good reason to feel that they know me. I am a very candid and honest person. If I fuck up, I admit it. If I give incorrect advice and someone calls me on it, I own up to it. I am both obnoxious and humble. :D

You are a child, a little brat. Nothing more.

Useless

2007-02-12, 06:48 PM

I sit here wondering how much Vegas appreciates SmokeyTheClown incessantly reviving this thread which accuses his program of cheating. Vegas, at least, was brief and honest about his role. He purchased a shit script, it sucked, he tossed it. His little pal, SmokeMyNuts, is so busy trying to defend his shit script, which is to blame for this mess, that he ignores the fact that the continued life of this thread means continued suffering for MadMoolah. Four pages of bullshit for one image. |thumb

I see why Toby insisted that Vegas and Angel were good people. It's Vegas' other friends who are bad little puppies.

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 06:49 PM

OK Brainles.. just try and get your head around this....

Your script takes information/text/and images from other Search Engines and creates pages on your domain that are designed to attract traffic.

Then you use that traffic to sell to other programs not associated with the orignal owners of the content.

That is called theft and deception.

This page - http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A//www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-xxx.html - was designed to attract persons looking for "raven riley" but what is that at the top... and big ass banner for Dirty Daisy. I think that is what americans "call bait and switch"

What do you think the owners of Raven Riley would think....? Do you think they would be happy with you using their trademarks, keywords and content to generate sales for Dirty Daisy. I don't think so..

You(and your script) are not Google
You(and your script) are not Yahoo
You(and your script) are not a search engine

You(and your script) are a leech
You(and your script) are a parasite
You(and your script) are copyright infringers
You(and your script) are trademark infringers
You(and your script) are search engine spammers

now go away...

DD

PS:- UW can you count the number of "ice creams" these leeches gave you over the last month or whatever... not hits to images pls, just hits to pages?

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 06:51 PM

I do know how to keep bots from crawling my site, but I have no reason to.

then dont ask why se's have your content
flea-bitten dogs who can't be trained to not piss in their own mouths.

You are a child, a little brat. Nothing more.

But I can assure you, son,

your younger than me that makes you my son :) unless your accustomed to having children before you were born. :)

most everyone here at GG&Jim knows me, or has good reason to feel that they know me. I am a very candid and honest person. If I fuck up, I admit it. If I give incorrect advice and someone calls me on it, I own up to it. I am both obnoxious and humble. :D

most everyone at the biggest ;) "zoo" adult webmasters forum know me , but dont take my word for it

Who are the top 5 best people here. Business thinking, nice, helpfull ?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=704180&highlight=smokey

Infact theres a nice little tutorial i wrote on there (gfy ) right now on how to build a nice anti-hotlinking script for videos to make webmasters money. Videos arent quite as easy to block using .htaccess as media player does not pass along the same info as abrowser. using my script you can detect and avoid with numerous methods.

Look i understand where your coming from , read above and you can see where the inspiration for this idea came from. It came from ME getting hotlinked from yahoo and wanting to offer the same service while GIVING people credit..

Im almost apprehensive of showing my new project , it makes that script look like peanuts hah but im a nice guy at heart and i truly believe you fellows are just misguided in your complaints..

I can understand the confusion and the intial furour but i think once you think about it you can understand what a powerfull tool FOR YOU it can be.

Useless

2007-02-12, 06:55 PM

UW can you count the number of "ice creams" these leeches gave you over the last month or whatever... not hits to images pls, just hits to pages?Zero ice creams and zero uniques. But I'm sure I'll get a big check in the mail just the same. ;)

Useless

2007-02-12, 06:57 PM

then dont ask why se's have your contentWhere, where, where did I ask that? I would certainly hope the SEs have my content. Are you sure you aren't a newbie? Maybe English isn't your native tongue?

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 07:02 PM

OK Brainles.

its "brainless"

Your script takes information/text/and images from other Search Engines and creates pages on your domain that are designed to attract traffic.

my script is a search engine that collects data from places and redisplays it
yes
thats what a search engine does . collects, databases, redisplays. :)

Then you use that traffic to sell to other programs not associated with the orignal owners of the content.

please dont make me explain what a fucking search engine is again jesus christ.

yes you go to a search angine they have ads

This page - http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A//www.freefacialpics.net/stb/raven-riley-xxx.html - was designed to attract persons looking for "raven riley" but what is that at the top... and big ass banner for Dirty Daisy. I think that is what americans "call bait and switch"

that is an ad just like you see on google ..

if i keep having to explain how a search angine works seriously . lol

What do you think the owners of Raven Riley would think....? Do you think they would be happy with you using their trademarks, keywords and content to generate sales for Dirty Daisy. I don't think so..

my script has the ability to filter out copyright names by keyword just like google yahoo msn etc

childish rhetoric etc etc
now go away...

DD

blah blah you sound like a troll. Try acting like an adult not an 8 year old schoolgirl.

PS:- UW can you count the number of "ice creams" these leeches gave you over the last month or whatever... not hits to images pls, just hits to pages?

i can tell you obviously have a hard time understanding english , read above again if your confused as you obviously are.

I through answering your questions if your going to act childish.. that goes for "useless" as well , if you have questions ask them like an adult and i will answer them like an adult. got it.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 07:05 PM

Where, where, where did I ask that? I would certainly hope the SEs have my content. Are you sure you aren't a newbie? Maybe English isn't your native tongue?

hyuk hyuk im sure all the hillbillies are laughing. Try being an adult , act like an adult .

What is this thread about ? a search angine displaying your content and you want to know why , and as i explained if you dont want se's crawling your site and displaying your info its OPT OUT so do it, and quit bitching

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 07:08 PM

I'll ask you both 1 final question unless you have an actual adult question to ask ..

You both have hotlinked images on forums correct ?

Greenguy has hotlinked images on its forum correct ?

think before you answer and explain the difference in a calm rational adult manner

Greenguy

2007-02-12, 07:11 PM

you tell me ? are there hotlinked pictures on this forum ?...No - we have the image function turned off.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 07:19 PM

No - we have the image function turned off.

heh good point i guess i should have checked first.

I think you understand my point... is every picture on this forum checked for copyright authenticity and permission before it is linked or displayed ?

are there forums and se's that display and link your content , yes.. is there a way to avoid it ? yes.

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 07:21 PM

You both have hotlinked images on forums correct ?

None that I know of...

DD

Greenguy

2007-02-12, 07:28 PM

...I think you understand my point... is every picture on this forum checked for copyright authenticity and permission before it is linked or displayed ?...No, I don't understand your point (which is one of the reasons we have the image function turned off)

And there is a HUGE difference between hotlinking/displaying an image & linking to it - hotlinking/displaying an image means it's showing up on your website/URL. Linking to it go to the other person's website/URL.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 07:32 PM

None that I know of...

DD

but you get my point.. you just cant admit it because it makes your argument a moot point:) . Look im not "out" to get anyone im happy to disclude you and explain how you can continue to be discluded from any future versions of this script.

I should mention that the test script both in the cache and in the url mentioned earlier are bare bones template so its meant to be set into a design and features. so your kind of seeing a car with the frame.. and no shell .

Just for the confusions sake i have removed the "top feature" of the example script , and i wil let othrs know of your concerns who have purchased the script. but i cant force anyone to do anything

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 07:34 PM

No, I don't understand your point (which is one of the reasons we have the image function turned off)

And there is a HUGE difference between hotlinking/displaying an image & linking to it - hotlinking/displaying an image means it's showing up on your website/URL. Linking to it go to the other person's website/URL.

point taken read post above , i have removed that feature from my version of my test script so it no lnger hotlinks top pics.

So i take it you take offense to other large message boards doing the same ( i.e. gfy )

3xTom

2007-02-12, 07:48 PM

I never thought i would see the day that normal webmasters bitch and moan about a search engine script giving them free backlinks

geez, this biz never ceases to amaze me

If thats the kind of shit backlinks im getting using MY FUCKING DOMAIN as an example 3xgals i dont want that kind of nasty shit traffic which by the way was going somewhere else...

And me being the owner of Raven Riley

I'm not to fucking impressed by the shit that was done with OUR images...

DangerDave

2007-02-12, 07:53 PM

but you get my point..
NO, I don't get your point...

The only thing in question here is "permission".

I give plenty of places 'permsission' to use my name, trademark, copyrighted materials. Your script takes all these things from a secondary source and uses them without permission... as I have said over and over again.. that is an infringement.

DD

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 07:57 PM

If thats the kind of shit backlinks im getting using MY FUCKING DOMAIN as an example 3xgals i dont want that kind of nasty shit traffic which by the way was going somewhere else...

And me being the owner of Raven Riley

I'm not to fucking impressed by the shit that was done with OUR images...

ok i gotta clear something up..

first off the traffic could be from anywhere so its not "nasty shit traffic" its a search engine.. the traffic is from wherever the script owner sent to the page if at all ( in this case none at all as its just a test version )

secondly the "shit backlink" remark.. your open to your own opinion but if we are talking se its a relevent backlink froma relevent page with relevent content . so if thats "shit backlink" then so is google except worse because you dont get credit for their links.

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 08:01 PM

NO, I don't get your point...

The only thing in question here is "permission".

I give plenty of places 'permsission' to use my name, trademark, copyrighted materials.

congrats and many se's use your site without your permission. google stopped being "opt-in" ages ago.

Your script takes all these things from a secondary source and uses them without permission...

if i have to explain what a search engine is one more time LOL :)

as I have said over and over again.. that is an infringement.

DD

If were you i would start a petition to make se's "opt-in" again..

Greenguy

2007-02-12, 08:09 PM

Hi Tom |waves|

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 08:10 PM

I'm not to fucking impressed by the shit that was done with OUR images...

"that shit" is what search engines do.. i apologize for the fact no courtesy link was given as that was my fault for giving him the incomplete template to test.

Im more than happy to work with you to make sure your content is kept private..

but lets be reaistic here

http://www.3xgals.com/miltontwins/004/DSC08299.jpg

when hotlinked reads ravenriley.com

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dsite%253A3xgals.com%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501%26fp_ip%3DCA%26x%3Dwrt&w=1229&h=922&imgurl=www.3xgals.com%2Fmiltontwins%2F004%2FDSC08302.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3xgals.com%2Fmiltontwins%2F004%2Findex.html&size=600.2kB&name=DSC08302.jpg&p=site%3A3xgals.com&type=jpeg&no=19&tt=12,095&oid=b30b6834c86415d6&ei=UTF-8&src=p

these kind of overlaps happen especially when testing a script.

fr0gman

2007-02-12, 08:20 PM

3xTom

2007-02-12, 08:27 PM

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 08:31 PM

dont get me wrong

sending traffic to raven using ravens pics are fine thats what we are supposed to be doing

sending traffic to someone else using ravens pictures is NOT alright

and by the way hi greenie :)

would be more than happy to let your programmers peek at the script and see the "good" this does..

It has keyword matching for EXACTLY this purpose.. when it matches known copyright or site material it attempts to match up sponsors based on keywords , so this wouldn't happen in a "live" environment .

In an ideal setting when you searched for Whoringwives" no ads would be directly displayed but if "raven riley" was found it would display her banners and milton twins would show milton twins ads

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 08:34 PM

although looking at the test examples it appears quite juvenile and unplanned alot of planning went into this script

use my example page above and search for anything with "smokey" in the title and you will notice an "example" text displayed on the page at the bottom middle with ads ..

in the readme of the script outlines how to use the features .. in the cop first posted here this was straight from the box install , and hadnt been modified to include any names / sites

SmokeyTbear

2007-02-12, 08:38 PM

using the test page above go there and search for raven riley or milton twins and you can see how it works.. certain html is inserted based on the keyword searched much like adwords..

in my example page has no "default" ads for if a match is not found, it only displays ads based on matched keywords.

fr0gman

2007-02-12, 08:40 PM

dont get me wrong

sending traffic to raven using ravens pics are fine thats what we are supposed to be doing

sending traffic to someone else using ravens pictures is NOT alright

and by the way hi greenie :)

Would it be ok with you if I placed a banner for a jaymancash site on a gallery featuring say... DirtyDaisy and then had that listed on Shemp? You would be getting clicked traffic from a page featuring someone's content other than Raven... and let's say that gallery was populated with free hosted content. Would that be okie dokie? I mean, it happens all the time and I have never seen anyone jumping through their butts about it.

What about getting traffic from a TGP that pulls content from other sponsors? Is that ok?

In my opinion program owners should tread very lightly on topic like this. You are already getting traffic from sweat off the backs of other programs and they are getting traffic off the sweat of yours... it is just how the interweb works.

If you don't like others getting traffic from your images indexed in Google or if you don't like getting traffic from the images of others I suggest that all sponsors stop hemorrhaging free content. In my opinion the waters are chummy enough as it is.

Let's just go back to text link directories linked to tour pages and see how happy you are. Why not? It worked in '95 before some idiot sponsor opened the flood gates and made free porn available to the world.

3xTom

2007-02-12, 08:53 PM

JaceXXX

2007-02-12, 09:03 PM

3xTom, I think you missed the entire part where this script was used for such a short time and never broadcast via links or advertised in any way, it is just a really good piece of software, so it got indexed, what you saw was a page that was a test page while someone was playing with the script, it getting indexed was something he didn't even know happened because he never even linked it up anywhere....

he never even linked it anywhere, so he probably didn't even think about using the robots.txt to block the se's from it

everyone is getting really bent out of shape over a script that is actually amazing when used right, but what everyone saw from the first post of this thread is the script being tested and learned, and then abandoned

fr0gman

2007-02-12, 09:34 PM

would i be happy to get traffic from a page featuring another model?

no i wouldnt ....

lets ask ourselves why?

If you sent me traffic from a dirty daisy gallery to my site then the surfer gets there and joins thinking he might see dirty daisy photos well he wont therefore chargebacks are wayyyy higher.... and the surfer is then turned off because he joined from a page that had this other girl on it

lets ask the question here why in the world would you put a raven riley banner on a page for dirty daisy to begin with anyways? I mean if you want to promote raven riley why not use raven riley.....

You missed the point entirely.

I see gallery posts on a daily basis that have text links to other TGP's and landing pages. If you are promoting teen content (Raven is still being tauted as teen content right?) it is not unusual for there to be links from pages containing content from other sponsors.

I have had dialog with JayMan on this topic in the past and he seems fine with content being displayed so long as proper credit is given. Has the official opinion changed and I missed the memo?

JaceXXX

2007-02-12, 09:37 PM

You missed the point entirely.

I see gallery posts on a daily basis that have text links to other TGP's and landing pages. If you are promoting teen content (Raven is still being tauted as teen content right?) it is not unusual for there to be links from pages containing content from other sponsors.

I have had dialog with JayMan on this topic in the past and he seems fine with content being displayed so long as proper credit is given. Has the official opinion changed and I missed the memo?

the thing that really gets me about all this, is that people are missing the function and purpose of the script because they use that first post google cache as an example, when in fact if the script is used properly is an excellent way to drive solid filtered niche traffic to any program