partnership with established company

[TightTeela]

would you consider joining a established program? is there companies that do this, ie, accept sites to join? and what would be the main pro's and con's. debating this with a friend and wouldnt mind hearing some opinions. thanks

[TightTeela]

to start with we got - with a established company, possiblty more sales but downside being less control, trust issues. or this view, with an established company or partner, more more gets done with more people with downside of more people involved, more chance of hassles and smaller percentages.

[Ramster]

You mean you want to bring your personal paysite to a program rather than keep running it yourself?

I think it is a good idea most times. If it is a good sized program and you later on offer hosted galleries then many webmasters will add your galleries right away bringing you in sales. Sometimes a lot and sometimes not many but it is better than trying to get webmasters to join your program/revshare via ccbill. One thing is NEVER transfer the domain to their control. (Yes you will likely have them shown as the registered owner of the domain but you can still control and own it). As far as work goes I'm not sure that matters unless you become a partner in that program. Otherwise you just run your site like normal and they have it in their program taking a small cut from you for doing so.

If you are talking about partnering up with someone to help you run your paysite or open a program? Bad idea IMO. Joining an established program is always best.

EDIT: You have a nice site so I'm sure with some promotion it will do well.

[TightTeela]

thanks for the feed back, anyone else?

[GonZo]

thanks for the feed back, anyone else?

Make sure you know who you are doing business with in depth before you comitt. You might find that you shold yourself short.

Ive been on both sides of this equation and its a tough business move but great if they are trustworthy.

MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CONTRACT!

[spookyx]

You could also consider hiring someone to help promote your site, build hosted freesites and such, Hosted freesites would get you some good affiliates from this board, if they were done well.

:D

[Tommy]

in my experience

partners are bad
at first everyone always seems into it and everyone has great intentions

but after a little bit of time people get in to other projects and Everyone seems to think that what they do is more valuable then everyone else
(myself included)

the little bickering starts and everything slowly goes down hill

your a bit new so I would go very slowly

anyway in a few weeks/months your gonna have a whole entourage of male webmasters willing to jump anytime you pick up the phone and drop the slightest hint of a blow job at a very far off distant convention :-)

[LowryBigwood]

anyway in a few weeks/months your gonna have a whole entourage of male webmasters willing to jump anytime you pick up the phone and drop the slightest hint of a blow job at a very far off distant convention :-)

LOL! That Long? :D

[Greenguy]

in my experience

partners are bad
at first everyone always seems into it and everyone has great intentions....Not exactly the scenario here - I think she's looking to have her site promoted via an existing established affailiate program.

[Tommy]

well I had noticed that she said more gets done

and she has posted in other threads about her time issues with keeping up her career at walmart |jester|


I mean if she works the boards a bit and is flirty and personable I am sure she could get a lot of affiliates

anyway at the moment she has no banners of hosted gallerys or sites
so what good would it do to join an established affiliate program

they aren't gonna make the ad materials for her
so i assumed she is talking about a partner

[Useless]

Partnerships are more likely to go sour than not. If it was purchased content, it would be worth the risk. But since your site is all pics and movies of YOU being the nasty little thing that you are - don't give up control to anyone else. Stay independent, ask questions and get as much help as you can get here. You'd be amazed how much people are willing to do for free to help webmasters that they like and trust. In the mean time, flirt with Tommy and get him to send you the $750 for Visa. :D

[Tommy]

Umm.........

Tommy is Happily married and his wife reads this board once in a while:D

I am trying to get her to let me go hang out with greenie for a couple of days so ......I gotta be good for awhile

[T Pat]

I really doubt Raven Riley’s site would have done over a million dollars in the first year if she had gone it alone.
KatVixen, Ramster and SirMoby have all chosen to put their pay sites under an established affiliate program.
I was going to put my baby (tijuana-whores) under an established affiliate program but the processor didn’t like me promoting hookers, So I’ll leave it alone and start a new Latina site that will get approved.

To me it’s simple math, I would be lucky to get 100 webmasters to promote my site by myself, where an established affiliate program will already have many times that many webmasters ready to promote it.

With no Videos I feel $20 is a fair price, subtract processing fees of roughly 15% I clear $17 per sale, if I were splitting sales with affiliates we would make $8.50 each.

Going with the established program I’ve chosen I get to add videos as part of the deal making my new site worth $30 for a membership, so I’ll make $21 for each sale I do (15% for the affiliate program and 15% for the billing company) the split with an affiliate will be $12.75 for the affiliate $8.25 for me.

Seems like a No Brainer to me |huh

[Useless]

I really doubt Raven Riley’s site would have done over a million dollars in the first year if she had gone it alone.I believe she was discovered and recruited - never on her own as far as I know. I wouldn't hazard to use her unique success story as a comparison of what the average personality site will earn. ;) Sabby van Whats-her-name, a somewhat established name, didn't turn out so well.

Frankly, if I was to invest in a paysite right now, I wouldn't even bother with affiliate webmasters.

[walrus]

T Pat, I agree with everything you said...except "Seems like a No Brainer to me". I think there is a lot of value in understanding how to market your site before you join in with an established affiliate program. Otherwise how can you really evaluate if that program can best promote your program the way you want it to be promoted.

Second, if you do know the marketing aspect of the game and things do go wrong with the established program and you decide to take control back, you will have a loyal base of affiliates to help deflect the negative publicity that always accompanies such breakups.

I know it's a lot of damn work, but in the long run I think your much better off understanding the ins and outs of the business before turning marketing control over to somebody else.

[TightTeela]

tommy, you can send that 750 anytime. and yeah i mentioned wal-mart, its motivation for me to know what im going back to if i dont bust my ass at this, so any and all options go thru my head constantly and it helps to hear others thoughts.

[GonZo]

tommy, you can send that 750 anytime. and yeah i mentioned wal-mart, its motivation for me to know what im going back to if i dont bust my ass at this, so any and all options go thru my head constantly and it helps to hear others thoughts.

What part of the country are you in?


I think shes being quite realistic about all of this.

[TightTeela]

vancouver canada

[TightTeela]

as for serious, ya, this site is our focus. its just me and my friend doing all the work here, we are in over our head (in a good way) under-funded (but its not stopping us) rewarding and a learning experience as well as being a fun project to work on. and we've gone from using the computer to flirt on msn and rts games to putting a site together. not bad for a wal-mart employee and a production assistant.

[juggernaut]

tommy, you can send that 750 anytime. and yeah i mentioned wal-mart, its motivation for me to know what im going back to if i dont bust my ass at this, so any and all options go thru my head constantly and it helps to hear others thoughts.

I almost have your same problem. My wife wants me to build up her site blah blah I'm sure you can figure out the story. I have explained to her the problems with putting up a site and then building/buying the promo and then getting WM to join the program etc. She has mentioned about joining a program and to be honest I don't trust many people and would have a really really hard time signing with one. I think for a single girl site it is a really good idea for the amount of WM you will get to promo you. But like it was said here before, you will be the one who will have to build/buy the promo material and I get the impression that that is one of the hard things you are running into. IE finding the time to suck cock while the pics are being taken and make freesites afterwards is a pain. Then you have videos, shit everyone knows you just can't toss them up. You need to edit them etc. That's even more time. I don't think a program is going to do all that for you. Have you thought about cam shows? My wife does very very well with them. She works her ass off (no pun intended) but when I look at the ROI when it comes to time. Working for a camsite is the way to go. Sit back and let the hard-ons come to you. Let the large sites get you the horny fuckers. I can tell you this, you are a good looking young lady and after your 1st couple of paychecks the only time you would enter Wal-Mart is to pick up cheep clothes that you can cut up and make sexy for your shows.

[Tommy]

Teela everybody started under funded and the money situation can change pretty quickly

when I started I was an elevator mechanic.
I think the webmasters that have/had hard jobs do better because they are more motivated

what is that foreign processor that uses that ticket thing
thats free, and you could take visa

If I was you I would stay independent for a while you have a lot of options, you just dont know about them

but the visa thing should be your first concern

[GonZo]

Teela everybody started under funded and the money situation can change pretty quickly

when I started I was an elevator mechanic.
I think the webmasters that have/had hard jobs do better because they are more motivated

what is that foreign processor that uses that ticket thing
thats free, and you could take visa

If I was you I would stay independent for a while you have a lot of options, you just dont know about them

but the visa thing should be your first concern


These are good pieces of advice.
She is determined and I think that is her biggest asset.

[digifan]

Tommy,

I think you mean those tokens, right?

Teela,

hit up Moraxian who's using them and tell him digifan sent you, he'll be more than pleased to help you. One of his sites as a sample where he's using them, you find his latest info here too.

http://www.bondagetokens.com/models.asp?rSiteID=59&ModelID=1971

[digifan]

Hm on the left I found this info on tokens for you,
http://www.bondagetokens.com/MenuShell.asp?rSiteID=59&SourcePage=help#WhatAreTokens

hope this helps :)

[Useless]

what is that foreign processor that uses that ticket thing
thats free, and you could take visa
Verotel's TicketsClub (http://www.ticketsclub.com/)

[Toby]

Teela, since you don't know me from Adam let me preface my advice by letting you know where I'm coming from. I promote mostly solo girl sites, primarily amateurs like yourself, the majority of them using CCBill. CCBill programs are two-thirds of my income.

If you're going to be using CCBill to administer your affiliate program then I highly recommend holding back on launching that part of your site until you are able to pay the fee and accept Visa via CCBill. You only get one shot at a first impression, and if you launch a CCBill affiliate program without being able to accept Visa, most experienced webmasters will not join and most likely won't check your program again.

My advice is to wait until you can accept Visa thru CCBill then launch your affiliate program. That will also give you time to build up content in your member area, which will help your retention, and to build promo materials so when you do launch your affiliate program you have more than just a handful of hosted galleries and zipped image sets.

One other piece of advice. As a solo teen site you are in a highly saturated, extremely competitive market. Having something that makes you or your site stand out just a bit from the crowd would be a big boost to your site.

[Chop Smith]

Being from Canada might present a problem with her getting Visa approval. There has been some discussion about this on the board. Maybe Ramster or Emma can fill in the details,

Does anyone promote a sponsor thru Verotel's TicketsClub?

[Fonz]

Being from Canada might present a problem with her getting Visa approval. There has been some discussion about this on the board. Maybe Ramster or Emma can fill in the details,

Does anyone promote a sponsor thru Verotel's TicketsClub?

I tried promoting one sponsor/site just recently (www.deepsabrina.com), hmmm... I get a "Cannot find server" for that site at the moment, LOL
I personally find the webmaster admin at Verotel pretty poor. Maybe one day when I make a sale it will show up with lots of detailed stats :)

[TightTeela]

thanks for all the advice, i havent heard of the token thing, but i did hear of verotel now somethings telling me it was negative feedback tho, and i am canadian so i know that limits the options, but i did incorporate in nevada, so hopefully theres a way to work things out.

[emmanuelle]

As a Canadian, you do face certain challenges that have not really been covered here. In order to accept Visa, you will need to have a US principal on your company- that means trusting someone enough to hand over COMPLETE access to your livlihood, as they alone hold the reins to your billing account. If you do not personally hold the documents required, you are just as vulnerable as you would be working with an established program.

The concerns mentioned are indeed valid, however all contracts are negotiable. Many programs will not send their traffic to a domain they do not own, so it might be wise to run your site with two domains. One for the program to use, and one for your own promotional efforts. You can work out different terms based on the source of traffic. For example- the traffic that you personally send might pay you a higher split than that sent by your partners.

Working with an established company will not only give you access to visa and a pool of affiliates, but it will also cushion you from many of the issues that face new sites- high bandwidth bills, goofy mistakes that can ruin your reputation in about 10 minutes, while offering you experienced guidance while you work out the kinks.

If you do go this route- seek out a program that is used to dealing with genuine amateurs. They will have experience with personality-based sites, and have the infrastructure in place to get you going immediately. You might also want to seek out a Canadian company, so that if you do have a valid disagreement, you are able to pursue it in Canadian courts rather than dealing cross-border.

Good luck with your ventures!

[T Pat]

I believe she was discovered and recruited - never on her own as far as I know. I wouldn't hazard to use her unique success story as a comparison of what the average personality site will earn. ;) Sabby van Whats-her-name, a somewhat established name, didn't turn out so well.

Frankly, if I was to invest in a paysite right now, I wouldn't even bother with affiliate webmasters.
I pretty much thought I was immune to naked girls on the net until Raven Riley, Teela had the same effect on me, it must be the innocent look they both have, I just know it makes me feel like a perverted old man to look at their pictures, yet I want to look. Sabby van Whats-her-name is just another naked girl.

I find it odd that you make your living as an Affiliate Webmaster but wouldn’t bother with Affiliates if you had a new pay site, are there many super successful sites with no Affiliates?

T Pat, I agree with everything you said...except "Seems like a No Brainer to me". I think there is a lot of value in understanding how to market your site before you join in with an established affiliate program. Otherwise how can you really evaluate if that program can best promote your program the way you want it to be promoted.

Second, if you do know the marketing aspect of the game and things do go wrong with the established program and you decide to take control back, you will have a loyal base of affiliates to help deflect the negative publicity that always accompanies such breakups.

I know it's a lot of damn work, but in the long run I think your much better off understanding the ins and outs of the business before turning marketing control over to somebody else.
I learned that Teela has a mentor so she should be ok, I would hate to see anyone make as many fuckups as I did when starting out (off the top of my head examples below)
I bought a domain name with Tijuana misspelled
I used a hosting company that sucked
I paid about three times more than I needed to for a shitty camera
I bought guaranteed traffic (millions of hits from Chinese Surfers = 0 sales)
I paid for SE optimization and submissions
After all that I decided the reason I still hadn’t made a sale was because I had a shitty design so I paid a mainstream guy to redesign my adult site.
Made a few sales, then the billing company I was using went out of business

Things slowly turned around when I found GGandJ and decided it was going to be the only place I got advice from, Surfin and Mr.MarryLou kind of took me under their wings and it finale sunk in, I got the cart ahead of the horse, I would have been way ahead of the game if I had learned webmaster basics like HTML and traffic generation first. Being to pig headed to give up I kept on keeping on. Looking back on my experience I would have made more money if I had found an established program to take me under their umbrella while I learned what the hell I was doing.

I tried promoting one sponsor/site just recently (www.deepsabrina.com), hmmm... I get a "Cannot find server" for that site at the moment, LOL
I personally find the webmaster admin at Verotel pretty poor. Maybe one day when I make a sale it will show up with lots of detailed stats :)
I’ve been using Verotel for years get paid every Monday, I like their stats more than CCBills and have never set up an affiliate program with them because most webmasters don’t like them and I don’t know why.

I transferred my site to a girl in Mexico when 2257 came down and then decided I had over reacted and transferred it back to me, so I’m sure Verotel doesn’t have a problem with Canadians but like I said the majority of webmasters don’t seem to care for them.

[mariah]

Email Camz Dan
He is reputable and has traffic and a brand new kick ass program camzcash
Hell, Im in with him and he is allowing me to keep my existing site! howw much more fair could it get. he has done the right thing with me since the beginning, through all the BS with his partnership to right now. I can't say enough about how fair I have been treated and if someone does the right thing, what more can you ask for?

Camz Dan is a good person to contact, seriously. See what he says
dan@camz.com

[mariah]

oh, Verotel is a good choice for a secondary processor, but that ticketclub shit turns a lot of people off.
get someone to set you up with a subaccount for a 10% split until you make the $$ to pay the visa deposit. thats what i did and I dont regret it at all.
You'll make $$ if you get with the right people and listen to those that have been successful.
Don't give up. just when you think it never gets better, you'll start getting 20 sales a day out of nowhere.
good luck!

[[BV]]

Teela, since you don't know me from Adam let me preface my advice by letting you know where I'm coming from. I promote mostly solo girl sites, primarily amateurs like yourself, the majority of them using CCBill. CCBill programs are two-thirds of my income.

If you're going to be using CCBill to administer your affiliate program then I highly recommend holding back on launching that part of your site until you are able to pay the fee and accept Visa via CCBill. You only get one shot at a first impression, and if you launch a CCBill affiliate program without being able to accept Visa, most experienced webmasters will not join and most likely won't check your program again.

My advice is to wait until you can accept Visa thru CCBill then launch your affiliate program. That will also give you time to build up content in your member area, which will help your retention, and to build promo materials so when you do launch your affiliate program you have more than just a handful of hosted galleries and zipped image sets.

One other piece of advice. As a solo teen site you are in a highly saturated, extremely competitive market. Having something that makes you or your site stand out just a bit from the crowd would be a big boost to your site.


Best advice here so far IMO.

Stay at it yourselves! You can do it.

Don't partner up with anyone.

CONTENT IS KING!

If you have a well made site with good content you will get plenty of affiliates on your own.

All you need is the proper tools set up for them to work with.

Do you want a detailed list?

[jonnydoe]

fuck I need to go shopping at Wal Mart more often ;-)

[TightTeela]

t pat, we dont really have the mentor like you think, just someone who knows they can make money off the site. everything has been done by me and my partner, so hence looking for 'established' company etc, that knows they'll make a nice cut and so would we. but i do enjoy the challenge of doing things mostly on my own, altho ive asked you guys for help already, so we might just tough it out. tho please reply with feedback, or you know a good deal, and yeah next step is visa processing.

[XXXPhoto]

Email Camz Dan
He is reputable and has traffic and a brand new kick ass program camzcash
Hell, Im in with him and he is allowing me to keep my existing site! howw much more fair could it get. he has done the right thing with me since the beginning, through all the BS with his partnership to right now. I can't say enough about how fair I have been treated and if someone does the right thing, what more can you ask for?

Camz Dan is a good person to contact, seriously. See what he says
dan@camz.com

Mariah,

Was just mentioning this thread to Dan today... Actually her best bet would be to get in contact with Colette directly rather than Dan...

Teela,

You've been presented with many good suggestions and things to consider; if after weighing them you would like to also see what we have to offer I urge you to contact Colette directly at: colette@camzcash.com

Also suggest if possible you try to go to one of the webmaster shows; personal pick would be Phoenix Forum as that seems best bang for the buck for solo lady site getting opportunity for exposure. More closed environment than Vegas and that lends itself to easier networking...

Good luck with your site in the new year, looks like you are on the right track to success.

~Mark

[GonZo]

t pat, we dont really have the mentor like you think, just someone who knows they can make money off the site. everything has been done by me and my partner, so hence looking for 'established' company etc, that knows they'll make a nice cut and so would we. but i do enjoy the challenge of doing things mostly on my own, altho ive asked you guys for help already, so we might just tough it out. tho please reply with feedback, or you know a good deal, and yeah next step is visa processing.


Honestly.

I would tough it out. Youll find in the long run that rushing to partner with someone for the 750 Visa fee might cost you in the long run.

How long have you had the site up and running?

[SaucyPanties]

I don't feel in a position to give any direct advice but my husband was reading this and he said to tell you that there is a very helpful guy called SGS on another UK message board (I won't mention it as I am not sure if this would be breaking any rules), his wife is Lady Sonia and they are a very successful husband and wife team.

[TightTeela]

gonzo, since early november, tho, some problems with things kept it down for awhile, glad to say as of yesterday or day before we tripled sign ups in december, so we do see we are on the right track. hopefully getting visa and promo stuff, will be the last snag for awhile. thanks again for all the tips and advice, and ya, we'd love to go to a show, hopefully springish next year. any other billing options besides verotel?

[Ramster]

From Canada as Emma said you cannot get processing. Getting someone from the US is one way. The other way is similar but going thru Europe. Again not easy but you can do it on your own without anyone but I have not done it. Mitch from NetBilling could likely set you up but again I haven't done it (Mitch told me he could do it for any Canadians).

Do NOT partner with someone just to get the site up and running. As already said it is better to wait. Actually you should not "Partner" with anyone. The only thing I would consider doing is adding your site under an existing program. Typically that program would take 30% of the money rather than the 15% ccbill takes. Typically. The only reason this is a good idea is if you have hosted galleries and materials that existing webmasters can add right away.

BV makes some good points. If you can wait it out and get processing them do it.

[GonZo]

gonzo, since early november, tho, some problems with things kept it down for awhile, glad to say as of yesterday or day before we tripled sign ups in december, so we do see we are on the right track. hopefully getting visa and promo stuff, will be the last snag for awhile. thanks again for all the tips and advice, and ya, we'd love to go to a show, hopefully springish next year. any other billing options besides verotel?


Youve come a long way to have started in November.

I stand by my original statement. I think you have to learn what works and make a few minor mistakes early on to figure out what to avoid.

A famous Penthouse photographer made the mistake of oursourcing his site to someone in this business.

Seveal years and several thousands of dollars later he found out that this person was full of shit. Not only where his design skill poor but he infrequently updated this site and the corker .... he had set up a CCBill account that allow him to divert signups to his own pocket.

In other words the photographer was getting ripped off big time!

This happened because of his limited knowledge in this field and the fact that there are more thieving fucks in this business than you could possibily imagine.

Im sure if asked this thief would tell you he was teaching the photographer a lesson and how it was a cheap lesson.

Hang in there. I think your on the right track.
Billing options... would you believe I used to have people mail me checks?

[juggernaut]

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

[XXXPhoto]

Now now... Robert from SilverCash helps those young guys every day... then again, that might be a blowjob thing too... lol

[Chop Smith]

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

:D

Yep, dogs will sure run a bitch in heat.

Yep, both males and females will whore for personal gain.

Any gays here? Perhaps, some young guy asking for help will get two pages of replies.

Just to make sure! Any of you guys that I gave code to in the past, you don't owe me a blow job. Any of the gals can give the rewarding blow jobs to TPat or UW. A 'thank you' and seeing someone succeed is good enough for me.

[GonZo]

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

I responded simply because I saw how far she has already gotten on her own.

Your theory would hold up better at the Zoo.

If Im trolling for a blowjob at the show. . .
I dont respond to board threads - I just break out that fur coat.

PS - Dont worry you dont owe me a blow job for this response either.

[T Pat]

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

wow now timeout Jugg I remember a whole bunch of PM's going back and forth between the two of us a year or so ago and I never even hinted that I wanted a blow job from you or your wife as a reward :D

I have had girls besides my wife give me blowjobs with her blessings but that was for content and there's no way I could ever pass Teela off as a Mexican |huh

[juggernaut]

Come on now guys. lol I just thought it was funny and in fact I think it's cool cause this tread has a ton of good info in it. Hey I responded to, shit I responded to 2 posts. Not that I was looking for a BJ, just honestly thought I could help and I know most feel the same way. And yes I am still there with needing help. In fact T-pat is a great help to me an is the reason I bought some of my domains that now bring me steady traffic. NO T-PAT no blow job for you from me or the wife lol.

[TightTeela]

strickly oral, no ass tapping

[DJilla]

strickly oral, no ass tapping

TT reminds me of an old WM joke:

Q: How do you know when you're truly an adult webmaster?
A: When you see a pretty girl and your first thought is "I wonder how well she'll convert?"

Seriously though alot of good info here but I'd add to some of the contrary points.

For example Raven Riley, besides being sexy as hell, blewup like she did becasue of brilliant, constant marketing and tons of promo options by JayMan.

I think TT needs to assess what she wants to be. If she wants to be a star signing autographs she's gonna have to partner up and do it smartly and quick while she's fresh. Do what you know and what is relatively easy... making porn. Leave the tech and biz bullshit to the pros (defined as someone/company already making sig $$$). Always own everythig that is you. License it, don't sell it.... even to your own company.

If you want to just make some mad money and have some fun and see what happens then like what was said you have to at least get chargecard processing (hell I'll give the $750 for a piece of the action whithout thought :)),ccbill, tons of galleries and banners and go to work 85 hours a week (you gotta promote) run your site, and make porn, probably work on member interaction, and deal with bitchy affiliates. Either way you need a partner or employee (s) or sub-contractors to take some of the slack off. Maybe that's traffic development or site design. Constant tweaking shit everywhere. Oh yeah, you've gotta have investment money to front end.

A lot about porn seems to be about "fresh". You have it. I think you should continue to build your own traffic and memberships AND be contacting some of the solo girl programs to develop their interest. Use your present numbers to project future earnings, understand the math and begin some negotiations. It may take you a year to cut a deal or pick the sponsor you like. Invite offers to join a program now, there's a lot of solo girl aggregates out there. I'd be surprised if you haven't already received several PM's. Final advice, have a great lawyer, or a bad one that will do what you tell them. |santa|

[Tommy]

Ok I can't help myself. 1 "Help Me" Post from a pretty girl an there are two pages of replies, all with good advice. I can't help but think some are hopping for a blowjob if they meet up at a show. You see some young guy post up asking for help and he is lucky to get 1/2 a page of replies lol.

well thats sort of true

I might have just read the post and went on about my business

but I thought she was hot and would convert decently
and she has a real fresh look and seems super nice
so I am sure her members would get a kick out of chatting with her

and I like promoting single girl sites
but as I said she has no promotional materials

if she had some galleries and took visa I would have put them in my database, maybe threw up a few text links, etc etc

of course I wouldn't mind starring at the top of her head for 20 Min's either but....|jester|

[TightTeela]

heh, thanks for all the advice guys, working on getting visa as we speak and a lawyer, my partner's uncle is both and us resident. so hopefully that makes the next step easier. im really curious to see if visa sales will make that big a difference in sales and getting affiliates

[Toby]

....im really curious to see if visa sales will make that big a difference in sales and getting affiliatesJust having Tommy signup and add your FHGs to his site will make a big difference.

[TightTeela]

Just having Tommy signup and add your FHGs to his site will make a big difference.

can't wait to see :)

[GonZo]

heh, thanks for all the advice guys, working on getting visa as we speak and a lawyer, my partner's uncle is both and us resident. so hopefully that makes the next step easier. im really curious to see if visa sales will make that big a difference in sales and getting affiliates

If you doubt the increase in having a visa. Next time your out with a small group of people have them all check and see how many Master Cards are being carried.

I carry one out of 5 and it is a paypal Mastercard.

I hope to see your uncle next week in Vegas. I assume he will be managing your affiliate program and I would enjoy discussing the marketing ideas he has for you. Youve come quite a way on your own but Im certain you realize its only just the begining.

Can you tell me how to get in touch with him at the show?

When do you think he will get other processors lined up for cascasding billing? And have you decided on NATS or MPA? Ill be looking forward to your FHG and freesites as well. You have a fresh look.

Let me know as I have some traffic ready to send your way.

[Chop Smith]

Just having Tommy signup and add your FHGs to his site will make a big difference.

Is Tommy's traffic really that good?

[Tommy]

Is Tommy's traffic really that good?


I am sorry Chop, I am gonna get that stuff done for you, its just been a busy week

Thank you Toby :D

[Chop Smith]

I am sorry Chop, I am gonna get that stuff done for you, its just been a busy week

Man, that has nothing to do with my stupid reply. Let your fingers do some walking with you have time and I will share some secrets with you. :D

You know that I know your traffic is golden and I am gratful for your support.

[TightTeela]

gonzo, no. for the time being we , that is myself and zero, will be running this, the contact in the US will be the agent for the legal and visa issues. hopefully this situation works out. but again, everything been trial and error so far, we will make it to a show as soon as we can, about the best thing we need right now is some time off or a working vacation, honestly cant wait for that. i dont know if its a canadian thing, but honestly i see more people here with mastercards.

[Toby]

Is Tommy's traffic really that good?Chop, you needed a tongue in cheek smiley. ;)

I only submit galleries a few times a month, mostly to other niche TGPs like my own, so I don't have a partner account with Tommy. When he was adding a Boobs category he posted here asking for boob galleries to get some initial links on the page. I sent a list of clean galleries. I had a noticable jump in sales from those galleries and Tommy was at the top of my referral stats for several weeks. Tommy's traffic rocks.

[GonZo]

gonzo, no. for the time being we , that is myself and zero, will be running this, the contact in the US will be the agent for the legal and visa issues. hopefully this situation works out. but again, everything been trial and error so far, we will make it to a show as soon as we can, about the best thing we need right now is some time off or a working vacation, honestly cant wait for that. i dont know if its a canadian thing, but honestly i see more people here with mastercards.

I wish you luck then.

Having someone that knows what to do with the Visa 3rd party processing is crucial. So many solo girls dont get this and I dont know why.

One of our models asked what was taking so long. "All you have to do is put up a CCBill link and your done."

If it were that easy youd see a lot more women on the web.

I hope your uncle knows a bit about 1st amendment law and such.
Thats the only plus I see in this arrangement.

[[BV]]

im really curious to see if visa sales will make that big a difference in sales and getting affiliates

No need to waste time and be curious about that, it's a FACT, move on from there.

It makes a big difference.

[TightTeela]

god dammit, id kick my computer if i haddnt taken the panels off. how long before ccbill accepts canada as a valid country, us eskimos need to process as well.

[jonnydoe]

look into Verotel...;-)

[Chop Smith]

look into Verotel...;-)

Can you run an affilate program with Verotel. Or a better question - will affiliates promote programs using Verotel?

[jonnydoe]

I just posed it because I have a canuck that went to them after the other shady Canada cc processor fled... Personal experience I could not tell ya. I signed up under it but it is not a primary focus of mine...

[T Pat]

will affiliates promote programs using Verotel?

None that are worth a sqwat and not even for free hookers |huh

[[BV]]

Who is the company ZERO X MEDIA LLC that owns your content and is located in Nevada? Why can't they get Visa thru CCBill?

[TightTeela]

bv, thats ours, we bought that a year ago when we started, figuring that was the solution, but ccbill has told us we need US id, and we are canadians. hence the problem

[Ramster]

You need to talk with Net Billing or join a program. I will talk with Mitch in Vegas here, he's the guy you need. Otherwise you need to join an affiliate program that is established. Not an easy thing to do but those are the options.

[TightTeela]

how about using verotel pro and NATS combo? i've heard thats a decent option

[Platinum Dave]

as for serious, ya, this site is our focus. its just me and my friend doing all the work here, we are in over our head (in a good way) under-funded (but its not stopping us) rewarding and a learning experience as well as being a fun project to work on. and we've gone from using the computer to flirt on msn and rts games to putting a site together. not bad for a wal-mart employee and a production assistant.

Teela contact me on ICQ. Where are you from? ICQ 46278228

[TightTeela]

dave, we are from vancouver , canada.

[Platinum Dave]

dave, we are from vancouver , canada.

I was going to offer my assistance to you if you hit me up on ICQ.

I'm coming to Vancouver in a few weeks.

I own Platinum Bucks, I can give you some advice on your quest.

ICQ 46278228

[Platinum Dave]

I'm also a fellow Canadian, from Toronto.

[Ramster]

Teela, if I were you I would Definitely hit Dave up. He knows his shit and runs a huge program.

[Greg.BXDX]

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