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Simon IA Cash

2006-09-25, 04:08 PM

No, this isn't a post/thread about porn that actually takes place underground (although...), but about relatively undiscovered niches that don't get much exposure or sponsor support.

Given Greenguy's post about his new tan-line category on link-o-rama (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?p=302255#post302255), I'm wondering, are there any other niches you wish more sponsors would promote? Any particular likes not getting their rightful content?

tickler

2006-09-25, 06:34 PM

Try out Overtures keyword tool with a common porn word, and take a look at anything strange.
http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/

johnnybg

2006-09-26, 03:59 AM

how about "guys with tan lines"? :)

swedguy

2006-09-26, 04:55 AM

Armpits is rare :)

Satan

2006-09-26, 04:56 AM

Eskimos? I know it sounds crazy but for a laugh I posted a pic of a topless inuit girl on one of my blogs and all the guys searching for the eskimo porn tgp (apparently eskimos take it up the ass) come by regularly now. It just shows the oddest things attract se hits.

Maybe one legged black lesbian dwarves would do well. Goth porn seems to be the new 'in thing' .

I think its down to what models and venues that the content provider can get hold of.

When doing something new I dont think overture is much of a guide since the people dont know it exists till they see the link to 'topless mastectomy women' ... then they will all be looking.

Sarah_Jayne

2006-09-26, 08:05 AM

the thing is that those of us that promote and stuff liek that don't want to talk about it because it only takes you to give away one thing and your market it ruined.

Greenguy

2006-09-26, 08:10 AM

I can think of a couple other ones that I'd like to see (more) paysites created for - puffy nipples & big clit lips come to mind.

Tommy

2006-09-26, 11:58 AM

tease and denial

tickler

2006-09-26, 12:56 PM

When doing something new I dont think overture is much of a guide since the people dont know it exists till they see the link to 'topless mastectomy women' ... then they will all be looking.
But they are already looking for things like "guys in panties". I don't recall seeing a paysite for that, but, I do remember an episode of Friends where Joey liked wearing womens panties.

SheepGuy

2006-09-26, 01:48 PM

I'd like to see nude native american women. I have a small site that does OK with that, guess there just aren't that many models or I'd start a paysite. Anything involving ethnic women does well for me, the rarer the niche the better. As Satan said, you don't really think about Eskimo women a lot, but when you see that they are available you just have to take a look ;)

Greenguy

2006-09-26, 02:58 PM

tease and denial
I have 2 for that one:

1 - Like TGP2?

2 - Like CJ TGP's?

:D

SirMoby

2006-09-26, 04:22 PM

I was thinking New York Bears. Hey Tommy, know anyone that would like to model? :)

ecchi

2006-09-27, 02:12 PM

Non oriental Asians (India, Pakistan etc) are apparently extremely good sellers. One UK company used to publish about 20 different niche magazines, over half it's sales came from one magazine featuring this (and most of it's models were Spanish women pretending to be Asian anyway!).

Trixie

2006-09-30, 02:25 AM

ecchi

2006-09-30, 03:56 AM

but I think very few people know *how* hot unless they have the fetish themselves
This is very true. If you are not turned on by something, you will not make anywhere near as much money as if you promote something that does, even if the niche that works for you is not as good a seller.

Licker4U

2006-09-30, 08:09 AM

Sneezing, nose-blowing (and related stuff like spitting and coughing)

Oh my! I must be living under a rock...|loony|

tickler

2006-09-30, 01:00 PM

This is very true. If you are not turned on by something, you will not make anywhere near as much money as if you promote something that does, even if the niche that works for you is not as good a seller.
If you are starting to promote a new niche, go find some of the related boards/groups and spend some time lurking. Knowing what the niche is actually about, rather than just going by a name/keyword will let you sell it much better.

neticule

2006-09-30, 10:56 PM

Niches I would like to see, and promote:
Long Hair niches (has a nice following)
And an ass site, WITHOUT anal sex! (Yes, its true! Some people like butts, but dont like seeing a dick in the poopchute!) I personally love cheeks but really dont find the brown eye too attractive ;)

Hehe, those are two I would like to see. Ive noticed a few messaged boards based around girls in porn with long hair, and the folks there REALLY seem to like it. :)

neticule

2006-09-30, 11:03 PM

Sneezing, nose-blowing (and related stuff like spitting and coughing) are hot but I think very few people know *how* hot unless they have the fetish themselves or are phone sex or camgirls who interact directly with customers.

Oh my god, I thought my friend was a complete wierdo lol. He goes off about how sneezing is like a miniature orgasm, and sexy lol. His fantasy is to give a girl an orgasm and make her sneeze at the exact same time LOL. Also says he likes it when tits bounce when a girl sneezes hehe. He has been trying to convince me to try and get something going in that area haha, but I dont have the resources for something like that :P

If someone out there happens to make a sneezing niche, you will make my friend, and some other people out there very happy im sure :) Naked girls sneezing = teh win!

emmanuelle

2006-10-01, 10:49 AM

Niches I would like to see, and promote:
Long Hair niches (has a nice following)
Hehe, those are two I would like to see. Ive noticed a few messaged boards based around girls in porn with long hair, and the folks there REALLY seem to like it. :)

We have a long hair site :-) and yes, it has a very nice following.

If someone out there happens to make a sneezing niche, you will make my friend, and some other people out there very happy im sure Naked girls sneezing = teh win!

Risque Renee does quite a bit of sneezing & wheezing material. I'm not sure if she has an affiliate program running, but it might be worth exploring.

terry

2006-10-01, 11:06 AM

Armpits is rare :)

axillism .. gotta love it!

troy

2006-10-02, 04:38 PM

More Gothic/Alterna sites would be great.

Tart

2006-10-02, 06:24 PM

We have a long hair site :-) and yes, it has a very nice following.

My fav fetish |thumb

KG Gary

2006-10-02, 10:07 PM

I used to find belly-dancing a huge turn on in my youth. Is there a belly-dancing porn site out there?
|huh

What about those long striped sock things that all teen porn stars seemed to wear in the eighties?

And dripping candle wax can be nice, although it's probably been done as part of a fetish site but I haven't seen it as it's own niche site.

Just off the top of my head.....
Cum on head-hair?
Women with excessive facial hair?
Women in suits or mens clothing only?

Oh, and a guy I once knew of supposedly would pay women to have sex underwater with him. He offered a friend of mine an all expenses paid trip to the USA from the UK plus £1000 to do it. She ploitely declined by the way, but if I had lady-bits I would have bloody gone!

I think I'm a bit weird after reading this post back to myself.
:D

Toby

2006-10-02, 10:21 PM

I think I'm a bit weird after reading this post back to myself.
:DThen you fit in just fine in this biz. ;)

Kenny B!

2006-10-04, 10:05 AM

Oh my god, I thought my friend was a complete wierdo lol. He goes off about how sneezing is like a miniature orgasm, and sexy lol. His fantasy is to give a girl an orgasm and make her sneeze at the exact same time LOL. Also says he likes it when tits bounce when a girl sneezes hehe. He has been trying to convince me to try and get something going in that area haha, but I dont have the resources for something like that :P

If someone out there happens to make a sneezing niche, you will make my friend, and some other people out there very happy im sure :) Naked girls sneezing = teh win!

Your friend, yeah right friend lol |bananna|

Simon IA Cash

2006-10-04, 11:16 AM

And an ass site, WITHOUT anal sex! (Yes, its true! Some people like butts, but dont like seeing a dick in the poopchute!) I personally love cheeks but really dont find the brown eye too attractive ;)

I would imagine it comes down to shooting. As long as content providers aren't shooting asses only, no webmaster's gonna feel comfortable chucking the rest of the shoot. If webmasters shoot their own content or pay for custom, it's more doable, but still. The girl's willing to be in porn. You really gonna not take shots of her tits?

Also, getting the girls isn't necessarily easy. A subset of girls shoot for porn, and a subset of those have nice asses. Don't necessarily need Keyra-level, but definitely very nice. That's why you don't see "Nice Tits" as a category, only "Big Tits". Easier to find big tits than it is to find nice tits (and I'm not a fan of the fakies look). The only consistent category where there is a specifically elevated standard as part of the category is "Babes", which is general as it is.

emmanuelle

2006-10-04, 11:49 AM

I would imagine it comes down to shooting. As long as content providers aren't shooting asses only, no webmaster's gonna feel comfortable chucking the rest of the shoot. If webmasters shoot their own content or pay for custom, it's more doable, but still. The girl's willing to be in porn. You really gonna not take shots of her tits?

Also, getting the girls isn't necessarily easy. A subset of girls shoot for porn, and a subset of those have nice asses. Don't necessarily need Keyra-level, but definitely very nice. That's why you don't see "Nice Tits" as a category, only "Big Tits". Easier to find big tits than it is to find nice tits (and I'm not a fan of the fakies look). The only consistent category where there is a specifically elevated standard as part of the category is "Babes", which is general as it is.

I have to disagree here. Most webmasters catering to a specific niche and who is worth his salt would be quite happy to cull the set in favour of those specific shots his members are interested in.
There is no 'nice tits' category because 'nice' is subjective.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the internet drives that point home. What you consider to be a nice ass or tits may or may not appeal to someone else. In a highly targeted niche, members are quite happy to forego the "one million photos" in order to have the 2000 that they are specifically interested in; and pay a premium in the process.

A recent example: Last week I requested that members of balloon-guys.com email me with feedback to a couple of specific questions. The response was unanimous. They have zero interest in us adding a bit of gay oriented but non-balloon fetish material as a bonus, nor are they the least bit interested in live cam upsells. They come for the highly prized and rare collection of material we provide, and nothing more.
Did I mention that these members are incredibly loyal too? :-)

ecchi

2006-10-04, 01:17 PM

Simon's and Emmanuelle's posts illustrate what I said before. If (for example) asses don't turn you on, then don't do that niche. If Simon were to try it it would be a failure. But if you are turned on by asses, then there is a lot of money to be made there. On the other hand, something that turns Simon on, and that he would make a fortune at, would fail if an ass fan tried it.

As to the comment "The girl's willing to be in porn. You really gonna not take shots of her tits?" I can't speak for tits/ass shots, but if I were doing a photoshoot of two women wrestling (one of my turn ons) and they suggested doing some lesbian stuff, my thought would be "I am paying for wrestling, wrestling is hard to get. But lesbian is easy to get, so why waste the studio/models time (neither is cheap) on lesbian stuff?" I would guess that since ass stuff is harder to get than tit stuff the same would apply.

Ms Naughty

2006-10-04, 08:05 PM

I can't think of a single set I own where I've used every photo in it.

Sarah_Jayne

2006-10-05, 07:30 AM

I have sets I have bought for just a couple of pictures that would suit a fetish I do. I don't use the other pictues on that site as my fetish surfers want that fetish and nothing else.

Trixie

2006-10-05, 10:37 AM

I used to find belly-dancing a huge turn on in my youth. Is there a belly-dancing porn site out there?
:D

http://bellydancefetish.com/

(A pet project of mine I haven't had time for -- destined to be mostly softcore, though)

KG Gary

2006-10-05, 10:41 AM

http://bellydancefetish.com/

(A pet project of mine I haven't had time for -- destined to be mostly softcore, though)
Woo Hoo! Softcore is absolutely fine! It's the teasing and glimpses of what could be that are so appealing!
|bow|

Trixie

2006-10-05, 10:41 AM

Greenguy

2006-10-05, 11:18 AM

...And an ass site, WITHOUT anal sex! (Yes, its true! Some people like butts, but dont like seeing a dick in the poopchute!) I personally love cheeks but really dont find the brown eye too attractive ;)...There are a lot of sexy butt sites out there, it's just that a lot of sites that are hardcore have the word "butt" in the title.

Sunny Dollars has True Butts, Pimp Roll has Really Nice Asses

But I do agree, I think the term "butt" should be for sexy asses & leave "anal" to the hardcore stuff.

tigermom

2006-10-05, 02:31 PM

Many of the so called "niche" sites in the major sponsors' portfolios are just tours that get the surfer to the same collection of porn (a lot of it is junk feed anyway). Any wonder those sales don't retain? I am selling a gay uniform site by a big sponsor, it converts ok, but retains very poorly.

stuveltje

2006-10-05, 04:20 PM

male squirting...........stu--->|couch|

webpimp

2006-10-13, 03:02 AM

I'd like to see more quality somnophilia sites that aren't "drunk" sites. Girl-on-guy sleepy sex in particular.

Also some more reverse gang bang would be nice.

You do see a lot of Indian (Asian Indian) porn on the market already, in my opinion. But what you don't see is arab and persian women. In my experience, the culture is a lot more conservative and "family honor" based, so good luck finding too many of them doing porn.

tickler

2006-10-13, 12:47 PM

I saw a Lesbian Bukkake clip with Ashley Blue that I thought was pretty different!

Simon IA Cash

2006-10-13, 03:43 PM

I saw a Lesbian Bukkake clip with Ashley Blue that I thought was pretty different!

Damn I'd be curious to see that. She's a champ.

tickler

2006-10-13, 04:53 PM

Damn I'd be curious to see that. She's a champ.
You can check them out here.
http://jerkoffzone.com/divx/lesbianbukkake/

Simon IA Cash

2006-10-13, 06:08 PM

Nice thanks!